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Sup B1tches
Quovis CORE Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.20 02:20:00 -
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Hey all,
I am in need of a ship that can easily dispatch Gurrista ships from afar. I can use all BSs except the Kronos, and i don't have T2 blasters yet.
I thought about: Mael - long or short range, not too fast Tempest - Quicker, can be a lot of fun, not as tanky Typhoon Fleet - fast, craptonne of DPS, not much tank at all Golem/Vargur - very tanky, can 'love' them from afar but weak sig strength Mach - very fast, awesome, 7 guns and long range means it can 'love' many ships from afar Tengu - **** boring, awesome tank, average DPS, boring Loki - Fast and fun, good DPS, decent tank Proteus - awesome DPS, fast and fun
Other options are a CNR, Rattlesnake, SNI... anyone have a ship that works for them? |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
48
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Posted - 2012.05.20 02:31:00 -
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Mach. period. |
Dato Koppla
Perkone Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2012.05.20 07:03:00 -
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Yeah Mach, you can use utility lows for ECCM instead of mids so it'll still do very well against Guristas, you can close up on the jammers and obliterate them with 1kdps. |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
97
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Posted - 2012.05.20 09:49:00 -
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The Ishtar is far and away the best choice. Everything else will end up losing DPS to jams. |
Sup B1tches
Quovis CORE Alliance
29
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Posted - 2012.05.20 09:50:00 -
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^^ yeah thats a good point... shield or armour, cheap and suited. Thanks :) |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6918
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Posted - 2012.05.20 10:06:00 -
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Pretty much anything not Amarr will do.
Guristas are easy to tank due to their damage profile and how pretty much everything (except Amarr) have good or decent Kn/Th resist profiles inherently. They are also very vulnerable to sig/speed tanking.
They are also very easy to damage (except for by the Amarr) since Kn/Th-based weapons are so commonplace and occasionally even come with specific damage type bonuses, depending on the ship. Incidentally, you generally want to use the Caldari drones rather than the Gallente ones, except in the case of sentries.
Their jamming is the only thing you really need to adjust for, and even then, it's fairly easy to avoid (or even ignore). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Shift-click does nothing GÇö why the Unified Inventory isn't ready for primetime. |
nahjustwarpin
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2012.05.20 12:05:00 -
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blaster talos for belt ratting
than + rail talos for anoms |
Reppyk
The Black Shell
120
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Posted - 2012.05.20 12:23:00 -
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A sentry carrier or an erebus. |
nahjustwarpin
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2012.05.20 13:04:00 -
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Reppyk wrote:A sentry carrier or an erebus.
carrier with 15 drones has dps of 2 dominixes (without guns) - i wouldn't call that high dps. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3860
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Posted - 2012.05.20 13:04:00 -
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nahjustwarpin wrote:blaster talos for belt ratting
than + rail talos for anoms
Interesting... Are you shield tanking that? Can I see your fit? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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nahjustwarpin
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2012.05.20 15:36:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:nahjustwarpin wrote:blaster talos for belt ratting
than + rail talos for anoms Interesting... Are you shield tanking that? Can I see your fit?
i have 2 fits, 1 for belts:
+high 8 neutrons II +mid experiental 10 mwd 2x kinetic hardeners II +low 2 magstab 2 TE nanofiber +rigs 3x shield purgers
second for anoms - this changed a bit, but it was something like:
+high 8 425 rails II +med 2 TP 2 tracking computers +low 3x magstab 1x nano 1x TE
paper thin tank, but carrier takes aggro and you leave a can 300 off anom and align all the time. kills frigs first because it takes too long with fighters. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3869
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Posted - 2012.05.20 18:59:00 -
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I'd be tempted to go Invuln + Kin for the belt ratting fit - Guristas do a far whack of thermal. Have you tried that? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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nahjustwarpin
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2012.05.20 19:19:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:I'd be tempted to go Invuln + Kin for the belt ratting fit - Guristas do a far whack of thermal. Have you tried that?
thermal is only 20% of their damage, while kinetic is 80%. |
Versuvius Marii
Browncoats of Persephone Ironworks Coalition
69
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Posted - 2012.05.21 01:53:00 -
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I'm a fan of the Vindicator. I'm getting 1000DPS out of a rail-fit one with antimatter ammo, and just enough range to be able to kill them with ease. I'm amazed nobody else has even considered this ship... The Gaming MoD - retro to modern, console to MMO, I blog about it if it's a game and I'm interested in it. Yes, I play games other than Eve and I don't care if you think I'm wrong. |
Sup B1tches
Quovis CORE Alliance
29
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Posted - 2012.05.21 03:51:00 -
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Versuvius Marii wrote:I'm a fan of the Vindicator. I'm getting 1000DPS out of a rail-fit one with antimatter ammo, and just enough range to be able to kill them with ease. I'm amazed nobody else has even considered this ship...
I seriously considered this but i didn't want it for one reason: a PVE Vindi is the personification of "OMGWTFOHNO!"
But yeah... it's DPS, webbing bonus and resists profile would be ideal |
Masamune Dekoro
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
134
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Posted - 2012.05.21 04:30:00 -
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Sup B1tches wrote:Hey all,
I am in need of a ship that can easily dispatch Gurrista ships from afar. I can use all BSs except the Kronos, and i don't have T2 blasters yet.
I thought about: Mael - long or short range, not too fast Tempest - Quicker, can be a lot of fun, not as tanky Typhoon Fleet - fast, craptonne of DPS, not much tank at all Golem/Vargur - very tanky, can 'love' them from afar but weak sig strength Mach - very fast, awesome, 7 guns and long range means it can 'love' many ships from afar Tengu - **** boring, awesome tank, average DPS, boring Loki - Fast and fun, good DPS, decent tank Proteus - awesome DPS, fast and fun
Other options are a CNR, Rattlesnake, SNI... anyone have a ship that works for them?
Raven Navy Issue with Sensor booster and Signal Amplifier: Lock and kill everything from >100km, high natural sensor strength so you're jam resistant without whacking an ECCM (wasting a precious midslot) on there, Sebo and Signal Amp so you can relock things quickly after (if) you get jammed anyway. chuck some Garde II's out (Wardens if it's a really long range mission) and insta- pop incoming frigs.
stay away from ze marauders, they'll be jammed to hell and back |
Masamune Dekoro
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
134
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Posted - 2012.05.21 04:31:00 -
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nahjustwarpin wrote:Malcanis wrote:I'd be tempted to go Invuln + Kin for the belt ratting fit - Guristas do a far whack of thermal. Have you tried that? thermal is only 20% of their damage, while kinetic is 80%.
I wouldn't mission in anything worth > 1billion without some sort of omnitank. |
Colonel Xaven
Decadence. RAZOR Alliance
9
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Posted - 2012.05.21 08:46:00 -
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Tengu. Period. |
Otrebla Utrigas
Space Bastards
13
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Posted - 2012.05.21 09:13:00 -
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Masamune Dekoro wrote:
Raven Navy Issue with Sensor booster and Signal Amplifier: Lock and kill everything from >100km, high natural sensor strength so you're jam resistant without whacking an ECCM (wasting a precious midslot) on there, Sebo and Signal Amp so you can relock things quickly after (if) you get jammed anyway. chuck some Garde II's out (Wardens if it's a really long range mission) and insta- pop incoming frigs.
stay away from ze marauders, they'll be jammed to hell and back
Same with the SNI and half the cost. |
ChromeStriker
The Riot Formation Get Off My Lawn
113
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Posted - 2012.05.21 10:51:00 -
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Manticore ;D - Nulla Curas |
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nahjustwarpin
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2012.05.21 10:55:00 -
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Masamune Dekoro wrote:nahjustwarpin wrote:Malcanis wrote:I'd be tempted to go Invuln + Kin for the belt ratting fit - Guristas do a far whack of thermal. Have you tried that? thermal is only 20% of their damage, while kinetic is 80%. I wouldn't mission in anything worth > 1billion without some sort of omnitank.
read the question for that answer. belt ratting in gurista space. battleships are way overtanked for that and are very slow are jumping between belts |
Sup B1tches
Quovis CORE Alliance
29
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Posted - 2012.05.21 11:02:00 -
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Use to belt rat Gurristas in a thrasher lol |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
97
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Posted - 2012.05.21 14:14:00 -
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ChromeStriker wrote:Manticore ;D
A Manticore actually works pretty well for belt ratting in Guristas space. Just make sure to fit a target painter and kill the webbing frigates first. I'll just leave this here:
[Manticore, Manticore copy 1] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Experimental 1MN Afterburner I Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster Cap Recharger II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Siege Missile Launcher II, Trauma Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Trauma Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Trauma Torpedo [empty high slot] Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Small Bay Loading Accelerator II Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
518 DPS with T1 ammo. Combination of speed tank and booster tanks any belt spawn - as long as you don't get webbed, then you are an expensive lolmail. |
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Hephaestus LLC Get Off My Lawn
50
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Posted - 2012.05.21 16:21:00 -
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Sup B1tches wrote:Hey all,
I am in need of a ship that can easily dispatch Gurrista ships from afar. I can use all BSs except the Kronos, and i don't have T2 blasters yet.
I thought about: Mael - long or short range, not too fast Tempest - Quicker, can be a lot of fun, not as tanky Typhoon Fleet - fast, craptonne of DPS, not much tank at all Golem/Vargur - very tanky, can 'love' them from afar but weak sig strength Mach - very fast, awesome, 7 guns and long range means it can 'love' many ships from afar Tengu - **** boring, awesome tank, average DPS, boring Loki - Fast and fun, good DPS, decent tank Proteus - awesome DPS, fast and fun
Other options are a CNR, Rattlesnake, SNI... anyone have a ship that works for them?
Are we talking missions, belt ratting or complexes?
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ChromeStriker
The Riot Formation Get Off My Lawn
115
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Posted - 2012.05.21 16:29:00 -
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FT Diomedes wrote:ChromeStriker wrote:Manticore ;D A Manticore actually works pretty well for belt ratting in Guristas space. Just make sure to fit a target painter and kill the webbing frigates first. I'll just leave this here: [Manticore, Manticore copy 1] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Experimental 1MN Afterburner I Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster Cap Recharger II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Siege Missile Launcher II, Trauma Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Trauma Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Trauma Torpedo [empty high slot] Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Small Bay Loading Accelerator II Small Capacitor Control Circuit I 518 DPS with T1 ammo. Combination of speed tank and booster tanks any belt spawn - as long as you don't get webbed, then you are an expensive lolmail.
Bit pricey for Belt ratting I used this...
[Manticore, Ratting-Gurista] Ballistic Control System II Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Target Painter II Target Painter II 1MN Afterburner II Medium Shield Extender II
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Trauma Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Trauma Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Trauma Torpedo Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Core Probe Launcher II, Core Scanner Probe I
Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Also.... NEW MODELS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Nulla Curas |
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Hephaestus LLC Get Off My Lawn
50
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Posted - 2012.05.21 19:33:00 -
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For ratting:
[Gila, Null Ratting] Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I Kinetic Deflection Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Medium Shield Booster II 'Copasetic' Particle Field Acceleration Cap Recharger II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I
Hornet II x5 Vespa II x5 Wasp I x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Ogre I x5
Cap stable; range of ~30k with the missiles; best of all, the drones chew through stuff even if you're jammed. |
Sup B1tches
Quovis CORE Alliance
29
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Posted - 2012.05.21 20:15:00 -
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Cephelange du'Krevviq wrote:Sup B1tches wrote:Hey all,
I am in need of a ship that can easily dispatch Gurrista ships from afar. I can use all BSs except the Kronos, and i don't have T2 blasters yet.
I thought about: Mael - long or short range, not too fast Tempest - Quicker, can be a lot of fun, not as tanky Typhoon Fleet - fast, craptonne of DPS, not much tank at all Golem/Vargur - very tanky, can 'love' them from afar but weak sig strength Mach - very fast, awesome, 7 guns and long range means it can 'love' many ships from afar Tengu - **** boring, awesome tank, average DPS, boring Loki - Fast and fun, good DPS, decent tank Proteus - awesome DPS, fast and fun
Other options are a CNR, Rattlesnake, SNI... anyone have a ship that works for them? Are we talking missions, belt ratting or complexes?
Anoms and belt ratting mostly |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
97
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Posted - 2012.05.22 01:27:00 -
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As previously mentioned, for anomalies and belt ratting, you cannot go wrong with an Ishtar. It has good DPS even when jammed, good mobility, and a great tank against Guristas. |
Sarmatiko
719
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Posted - 2012.05.22 02:38:00 -
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If you like Loki, you should try Sleipnir. It's cheaper, have more DPS than Loki even in arty fit, can be fitted fully with T2 modules without significant impact to the tank or dps.
ps: Ishtar and Gila = booooring drone slowboats. |
Zhey B Hatin
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.22 04:59:00 -
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Belt ratting in droneboats is annoying.
The new tier 3 like the talos in another post or a naga (rails are awesome for guristas too) are perfect for the job: cheap, great range, fast, great dps, just enough tank .
However when it comes to anoms and especially plexes i would favor more tank and then the ishtar shines with its awesome tank and resists profile. You can of course get a billion + isk ship if you are rich, not patient, and self-confident, but for the price of a mildly pimp tengu or mach you can have your plex ishtar (which soloes up to 8/10 Guristas plexes) plus a belt ratting Tier 3, and around a billion of pocket money. |
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