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Shaampoo
Fweddit
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Posted - 2012.05.28 01:07:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote: It would solve cloaky camps people complain about. It would give a point to cloaks people complain about.
Uncloak aliegned, tap bomb, warp to safety. No time to get reinforcements on grid to help or even lock targets. Hurray for 100% Safe uncounterable attacks. Then nerf bombs. Change them. Make them super powerful torpedoes that can only hit capitals. It would be a small sacrifice, and im a dedicated cloaky kind of player, for the greater good of the game. But also remember that even if that were the case no local means that for that to occur a scouting operation would have had to of occured first. Maybe it would be a well earned uncounterable attack. So remove one element from the game and then break another mechanic but it is cool because you can now gank war targets easier
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Lord Zim
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Posted - 2012.05.28 01:07:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:I went to adjust my market orders in the .01 environment. Its a good thing i'm not in a wormhole or i'd have to find a way to get in and out every 5 minutes to do it! So market alts are illegal? Your point hardly makes your case that Wormholes are only avoided by lazy people if you are now saying that people in Wormholes need have market alts to be able to easily access markets. Doesn't sound as simple as you seemed to believe a few minutes ago. So uh, you're actually going to say that using a market alt is hard work? Or complex? |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
190
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Posted - 2012.05.28 01:09:00 -
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Mocam wrote:specializt wrote:Frying Doom wrote: What does any of that have to do with Worm Holes?
Except for the WH-drones : just about everything, the tasks in WH are identical to the tasks in null. Not really and sure as hell not the same way. - Your front door doesn't change so you can find a path there from any k-space area in the game. - You can set a destination point and simply "follow the dots" to that place - but not in W-space. - Cyno's don't work so you can't just bounce to a spot with a JF, bridge in/out with other ships - so on and so forth. - You can't decide that your front door is pointing at too dangerous a spot so you collapse it. - Entering a gate, you appear "OFF" the gate at range. Entering a WH, you are in click-out range of the entrance/exit; so camps? ... etc. WH life is both more and less dangerous than other parts of the game. That "no local" is just one aspect of it and if they normalized the rules for WH space and null - the game would play radially different. No - removal isn't a solution, not without some form of replacement.
Sure it is. And no you don't need a replacement. I didnt hear a reason for local needing to stay but assuming you carry the EVE UNI agenda im sure I can figure it out.
Isn't Decshield enough protection as is? If it isn't what on earth are teaching anyone? You didn't teach me anything and I do just fine. As do most. |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
190
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Posted - 2012.05.28 01:10:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Im not going anywhere. Im going to begin a lobby to change EVE into the game it advertises itself as you already have the intellectual paragon known as Frying Doom with you good luck m8 o7
And you have 10000 wasted political votes and a never ending public outcry against your alliances overrepresentation on the CSM . It would appear we both have an uphill climb. |
Frying Doom
193
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Posted - 2012.05.28 01:14:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:I went to adjust my market orders in the .01 environment. Its a good thing i'm not in a wormhole or i'd have to find a way to get in and out every 5 minutes to do it! So market alts are illegal? Your point hardly makes your case that Wormholes are only avoided by lazy people if you are now saying that people in Wormholes need have market alts to be able to easily access markets. Doesn't sound as simple as you seemed to believe a few minutes ago. So uh, you're actually going to say that using a market alt is hard work? Or complex? So your now agreeing with me about the Jump drive Nerf as you are saying you only need easy access to a market alt and not direct access to a market hub with any character. Care to go one better and agree about the removal of Local while we are here? Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
Local Channel in Null must Die. Jump Drives need Nerfing. Null is meant to be dangerous and hard. Not safe and boring. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
463
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Posted - 2012.05.28 01:16:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Sure it is. And no you don't need a replacement. I didnt hear a reason for local needing to stay but assuming you carry the EVE UNI agenda im sure I can figure it out.
Isn't decshield enough protection as is?
Yeah I hear Eve University is heavily invested in nullsec with all of that sovereignty they hold eh |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
191
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Posted - 2012.05.28 01:18:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Sure it is. And no you don't need a replacement. I didnt hear a reason for local needing to stay but assuming you carry the EVE UNI agenda im sure I can figure it out.
Isn't decshield enough protection as is? Yeah I hear Eve University is heavily invested in nullsec with all of that sovereignty they hold
No, but they are heavily invested in making EVE a happy safe place in hisec so they can pretend to actually teach people something other than camp up during wars as not to encourage aggression. |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
21
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Posted - 2012.05.28 01:23:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Get rid of local, all secs. It fixes almost everything. You would have to work to locate a target. You would have to work to avoid a target. There would be risk in high sec. There would be risk in all secs.
Freighters could be caught during a war dec. Freighters could get through during a war dec.
You would still have Concord retaliation in high sec. You could still be camped, though if you break the camp it would be harder to hunt you down. Certainly no worse that what we have now but with compelling gameplay.
It would solve cloaky camps people complain about. It would give a point to cloaks of which people complain about.
It would make neutral alts almost irrelevant. Though not 100%. It would certainly make playing with one account a lot less of a disadvantage. Sure you might lose a few alt account subs, but you would gain many more subs by having more compelling gameplay. What good is a scout profession when they're revealed as soon as they enter system?
The changes the expansion are bringing aren't going to revitalize low sec or null sec and its certainly not going to promote or fuel war. Quite the opposite.
The devs and the playerbase talk a lot about EVE being hardcore, but as of yet i'm not really seeing the hardcore aspect to the game.
The game is a boring campfest. Removing local removes that to a large degree.
To my ultra Orthodox carebear players, uncle Caliphy isn't throwing you under the bus. The threats you worry about occuring with this change would actually be resolvable by a merc corporation. If you are decced and you hire a merc the merc cannot sneak up on the enemy with everything displayed for them. They may be able to make your tormentors life a little more difficult but in most cases can't force a fight under those conditions. With no local they could. If you are camped by a griefdec and you hire a reasonably sized merc to help you the griefer will never see them coming. It's win/win.
Even null entry points would be camped far less. Lets see the thirty man bubble camp consistently do it when a 150 man roaming gang warps in on them and they never see it coming.
Local is holding EVE back. Period. Get rid of it and let EVE become great.
I think what you are looking for is called a wormhole.
I don't see how this solves gate camping - they would just wait for gate flashes as that would be the easiest way to get targets. If a big fleet drop on them - they simply jump the gate. Gate camping would increase with no local. Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
Snow Burst
RED.OverLord
11
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Posted - 2012.05.28 02:08:00 -
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sooooooooooooooo your saying you want the entire game to be an hour of probing out people to go fetch your ship to find theyve moved off? no local in wh space works because its the whole point and adds a different play style not everyone wants to play in wh's There Is A 90% Chance All Of What You Just Read Is Wrong, Inaccurate Or Just Me Being Controversial In Some Way.-áOr By Some Chance It's Completely Right In Every Way... At Least To Me :3 |
Lord Zim
716
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Posted - 2012.05.28 02:40:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:I went to adjust my market orders in the .01 environment. Its a good thing i'm not in a wormhole or i'd have to find a way to get in and out every 5 minutes to do it! So market alts are illegal? Your point hardly makes your case that Wormholes are only avoided by lazy people if you are now saying that people in Wormholes need have market alts to be able to easily access markets. Doesn't sound as simple as you seemed to believe a few minutes ago. So uh, you're actually going to say that using a market alt is hard work? Or complex? So your now agreeing with me about the Jump drive Nerf as you are saying you only need easy access to a market alt and not direct access to a market hub with any character. Care to go one better and agree about the removal of Local while we are here? So to sum up your and Caliph's position on local so far, you blatantly refuse to accept my assertation that the active population of nullsec, lowsec and probably to a lesser degree hisec will go down if the risk or effort needed to stay safe increases dramatically, and yet you've no problems with explaining away not being in a wormhole with, and I quote, "For me updating market orders, pickups & deliveries etc, would be more hassle than I care to endure." ... when it's a matter of making a simple alt and sticking him in jita with a freighter or orca, and then spend a few minutes every now and again updating orders or activating autopilot and doing something else for a few more hours.
I ... see. |
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1027
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Posted - 2012.05.28 02:45:00 -
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Snow Burst wrote:sooooooooooooooo your saying you want the entire game to be an hour of probing out people to go fetch your ship to find theyve moved off? no local in wh space works because its the whole point and adds a different play style not everyone wants to play in wh's nah he doesn't really want any changes, Caliph is just a guy whose experience with pvp is a handful of highsec wardecs trying to build himself an image of something that he isn't while Frying Doom is merely poorly repeating trolls from NPC corp shiptoasters of EVE-gd past because he's butthurt about goons calling him out on his creepy whiteknighting of Issler Dainze during the CSM7 elections, but he doesn't really grasp game mechanics that well so he does a bad job of it. Anyways that's the past 17 pages of this thread all summed up for you, ban npc corps. |
Grumpymunky
Super Monkey Tribe of Danger
174
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Posted - 2012.05.28 03:01:00 -
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Elena Melkan wrote:I heard that if you eat lots of yogurt, your balls will grow. Trying that now. So far it hasn't affected them, but it does make my poo come out softer. Post with your monkey. |
Frying Doom
193
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Posted - 2012.05.28 03:04:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Snow Burst wrote:sooooooooooooooo your saying you want the entire game to be an hour of probing out people to go fetch your ship to find theyve moved off? no local in wh space works because its the whole point and adds a different play style not everyone wants to play in wh's nah he doesn't really want any changes, Caliph is just a guy whose experience with pvp is a handful of highsec wardecs trying to build himself an image of something that he isn't while Frying Doom is merely poorly repeating trolls from NPC corp shiptoasters of EVE-gd past because he's butthurt about goons calling him out on his creepy whiteknighting of Issler Dainze during the CSM7 elections, but he doesn't really grasp game mechanics that well so he does a bad job of it. Anyways that's the past 17 pages of this thread all summed up for you, ban npc corps. Oh so that is what you are so but hurt about, I managed to get a candidate with little chance elected while 10,058 people couldn't get their's.
Oh and I wouldn't be in an NPC corp if your CEO would accept the application or are you just a bunch of goonswarm pets afraid of a wardec? Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
Local Channel in Null must Die. Jump Drives need Nerfing. Null is meant to be dangerous and hard. Not safe and boring. |
Frying Doom
193
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Posted - 2012.05.28 03:09:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:So to sum up your and Caliph's position on local so far, you blatantly refuse to accept my assertation that the active population of nullsec, lowsec and probably to a lesser degree hisec will go down if the risk or effort needed to stay safe increases dramatically, and yet you've no problems with explaining away not being in a wormhole with, and I quote, "For me updating market orders, pickups & deliveries etc, would be more hassle than I care to endure." ... when it's a matter of making a simple alt and sticking him in jita with a freighter or orca, and then spend a few minutes every now and again updating orders or activating autopilot and doing something else for a few more hours.
I ... see. My and Caliph's position are different he wants local removed completely where as I find it just a crutch for null sec players who want free intel.
Ok it is very weird to use a quote when you are the only person who has said the quote and then too use it for the basis for your argument.
I must ask when you look around do you see padded walls? Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
Local Channel in Null must Die. Jump Drives need Nerfing. Null is meant to be dangerous and hard. Not safe and boring. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1027
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Posted - 2012.05.28 03:12:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:, I managed to get a candidate with little chance elected lol |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
192
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Posted - 2012.05.28 05:07:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Snow Burst wrote:sooooooooooooooo your saying you want the entire game to be an hour of probing out people to go fetch your ship to find theyve moved off? no local in wh space works because its the whole point and adds a different play style not everyone wants to play in wh's nah he doesn't really want any changes, Caliph is just a guy whose experience with pvp is a handful of highsec wardecs trying to build himself an image of something that he isn't while Frying Doom is merely poorly repeating trolls from NPC corp shiptoasters of EVE-gd past because he's butthurt about goons calling him out on his creepy whiteknighting of Issler Dainze during the CSM7 elections, but he doesn't really grasp game mechanics that well so he does a bad job of it. Anyways that's the past 17 pages of this thread all summed up for you, ban npc corps.
And yet when I bothered to do it I make it look so fuc.king easy. Trust me I abstained most of my eve career because solo pvp was an exercise in monotony. It had nothing to do with ability. And none of that has any bearing on local being a elementary school level safety net for a game that fraudulently claims to be hardcore.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=15867656 Theres one of your kills, I thought it it the first impressive one on the list. Then I saw it was so many people on one ship it bordered ridiculous. And you put a whopping 93 damage on the kill. Im sure if I sift thru ill find you to be a great big KM *****.
Why don't you tell us all exactly why the pussies in EVE need local. |
Benny Ohu
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
129
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Posted - 2012.05.28 05:37:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:I managed to get a candidate with little chance elected I suppose it's possible some of the voters you drove away from Issler went to Darius, but they probably voted for Mittani instead. vOv |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
192
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Posted - 2012.05.28 05:41:00 -
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ITT alot of distractions and rhetoric but no real arguments as to why EVE needs local chat, an immersion breaking feature thats detrimental to almost every feature the game boasts. The sum of the anti argument is that the most dullard of the population will quit if its removed. Thats it. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1029
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Posted - 2012.05.28 05:46:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=15867656 Theres one of your kills, I thought it the first impressive one on the list. Then I saw it was so many people on one ship it bordered ridiculous. And you put a whopping 93 damage on the kill. Im sure if I sift thru ill find you to be a great big KM ho, I stopped after just three because its all the same format. You doing almost nothing just enough to get on the mail. Your pvp experience consists of joining the biggest blob you can find and pretending that in doing so you're elite. /facepalm Why don't you tell us all exactly why the pussies in EVE need local instead. Ah yes that time I (the lone prober in fleet) probed down the vital warp-in needed for a combined Brick-Cascade-SOLAR FLEET armada to warp down on a bunch of Team Tech caps for an epic capital ship battle against Raiden and co, blasting in and tackling dreads.
I suppose my dps was rather low. |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
192
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Posted - 2012.05.28 05:52:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=15867656 Theres one of your kills, I thought it the first impressive one on the list. Then I saw it was so many people on one ship it bordered ridiculous. And you put a whopping 93 damage on the kill. Im sure if I sift thru ill find you to be a great big KM ho, I stopped after just three because its all the same format. You doing almost nothing just enough to get on the mail. Your pvp experience consists of joining the biggest blob you can find and pretending that in doing so you're elite. /facepalm Why don't you tell us all exactly why the pussies in EVE need local instead. Ah yes that time I (the lone prober in fleet) probed down the vital warp-in needed for a combined Brick-Cascade-SOLAR FLEET armada to warp down on a bunch of Team Tech caps for an epic capital ship battle against Raiden and co, blasting in and tackling dreads. I suppose my dps was rather low.
If you were really the prober that found it, its excusable I don't hate. But if you werent and still hopped on that kill for 93 damage thats kb ho'ing. I'll take your word you did as you stated. |
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1029
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Posted - 2012.05.28 06:00:00 -
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anathema pvp best pvp: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=15035646 |
Frying Doom
193
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Posted - 2012.05.28 06:12:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I managed to get a candidate with little chance elected I suppose it's possible some of the voters you drove away from Issler went to Darius, but they probably voted for Mittani instead. vOv Well if they voted for mittens I'm sure they could cry with the rest of the people who did.
Bit of a side track so back to the regular feature "Local Must Die" The PG version, so Its Null local only Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
Local Channel in Null must Die. Jump Drives need Nerfing. Null is meant to be dangerous and hard. Not safe and boring. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
914
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Posted - 2012.05.28 06:19:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=15867656 Theres one of your kills, I thought it the first impressive one on the list. Then I saw it was so many people on one ship it bordered ridiculous. And you put a whopping 93 damage on the kill. Im sure if I sift thru ill find you to be a great big KM ho, I stopped after just three because its all the same format. You doing almost nothing just enough to get on the mail. Your pvp experience consists of joining the biggest blob you can find and pretending that in doing so you're elite. /facepalm Why don't you tell us all exactly why the pussies in EVE need local instead. Ah yes that time I (the lone prober in fleet) probed down the vital warp-in needed for a combined Brick-Cascade-SOLAR FLEET armada to warp down on a bunch of Team Tech caps for an epic capital ship battle against Raiden and co, blasting in and tackling dreads. I suppose my dps was rather low. If you were really the prober that found it, its excusable I don't hate. But if you werent and still hopped on that kill for 93 damage thats kb ho'ing. I'll take your word you did as you stated. Hey, we here in the CFC jump into fights that have nothing to do with us just to get on the killmails.
It's fair and square for your rifter to shoot one bullet at the titan before dying just to get on its killmail. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
22
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Posted - 2012.05.28 06:27:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Sure it is. And no you don't need a replacement. I didnt hear a reason for local needing to stay but assuming you carry the EVE UNI agenda im sure I can figure it out.
Isn't decshield enough protection as is? Yeah I hear Eve University is heavily invested in nullsec with all of that sovereignty they hold No, but they are heavily invested in making EVE a happy safe place in hisec so they can pretend to actually teach people something other than camp up during wars as not to encourage aggression.
You've not decced Eve uni have you ?....... |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
194
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Posted - 2012.05.28 06:40:00 -
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Mra Rednu wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Sure it is. And no you don't need a replacement. I didnt hear a reason for local needing to stay but assuming you carry the EVE UNI agenda im sure I can figure it out.
Isn't decshield enough protection as is? Yeah I hear Eve University is heavily invested in nullsec with all of that sovereignty they hold No, but they are heavily invested in making EVE a happy safe place in hisec so they can pretend to actually teach people something other than camp up during wars as not to encourage aggression. You've not decced Eve uni have you ?.......
Nope. But we don't have hundreds of men either, were at about 8 solid players pretty much t3 or better. We are in talks about creating an alliance to bolster the size of corporations or alliances we can engage, but we do seek out targets with far greater numbers than we have. Its about the only way to ensure a decent number of targets are available.
I don't know if you have ever really tried recruiting worthwhile people in EVE but it's a very time consuming process. |
Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
123
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Posted - 2012.05.28 08:38:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Mocam wrote:specializt wrote:Frying Doom wrote: What does any of that have to do with Worm Holes?
Except for the WH-drones : just about everything, the tasks in WH are identical to the tasks in null. Not really and sure as hell not the same way. - Your front door doesn't change so you can find a path there from any k-space area in the game. - You can set a destination point and simply "follow the dots" to that place - but not in W-space. - Cyno's don't work so you can't just bounce to a spot with a JF, bridge in/out with other ships - so on and so forth. - You can't decide that your front door is pointing at too dangerous a spot so you collapse it. - Entering a gate, you appear "OFF" the gate at range. Entering a WH, you are in click-out range of the entrance/exit; so camps? ... etc. WH life is both more and less dangerous than other parts of the game. That "no local" is just one aspect of it and if they normalized the rules for WH space and null - the game would play radially different. No - removal isn't a solution, not without some form of replacement. Sure it is. And no you don't need a replacement. I didnt hear a reason for local needing to stay but assuming you carry the EVE UNI agenda im sure I can figure it out. Isn't decshield enough protection as is?
Ummm... the decshield stuff is history these days - the changes got rid of it. Using game mechanics like that was even with the old insurance scam stuff used to fund suicide gankers - it needed to go but while available, you'd be a fool not to use it.
I'm a member of the uni - for a small group like your "short bus friends" that may not mean much but if you think "the uni" expresses my opinions or I agree with management on all points. You should probably try joining a larger group to see just how diverse opinions are. I *DO* follow rules of a larger group but my opinions are my own.
You also don't seem to know much about the uni - try reading a bit. The same info that our members agree to before joining, while in the uni, etc... is available from the wiki.
Read - honestly, it doesn't hurt that much and you might learn a bit more about the group vs just assumptions that many goofs have on what they are about. "tight rules!" - bet on it and get the hell out when they bind - but we'll give options on where you can go that won't rob you nor blow you up for lulz as you exit. See our "work fair" forum for "honorable" groups to join upon leaving the uni - WH, Lowsec pirates, Nullsec groups, mining corps, etc.
As for my opinions on this "local" junk:
Removal of the intel from local - I've been a fan of that for a very long time but not without the availability of other tools to replace it. Sensor changes, scanner changes... whatever but that functionality is needed.
The key being balanced play and 7 out of 10 chars in highsec does *NOT* need to be fluffed up any more by removal of local without some way to address the intel it offers. People need the ability to operate in space for more than just PvP and should be traveling through all types of space a lot and they don't.
That "7 out of 10" in highsec points to something being wrong with the design - especially when over half of them are probably alts to "dangerous space" dwellers. It should be *MORE* profitable to not be there than sitting in that safe space but roadblocks shut down traffic ... PvE being about using "fixed locations" to operate out of vs PvP ... so on and so forth.
Until they find ways to fix this population & traffic imbalances - all your suggestion will down is reduce uses of dangerous space -AND- increase the cancellation of accounts.
There are fewer devs employable with fewer accounts. I'd prefer more minds involved in finding & fixing underpinning issues than fewer. The brain power i see expressed here by the PvP types, shows they have no clue how to fix the problems without costing devs their jobs. "Just let us kill them all until they quit!" brilliant...
tl;dr: Fix the other things that keep 7 out of 10 in highsec and the rest will sort itself out. Until that is addressed, the rest means little to nothing. You won't grow those portions of the game by removing safeties from the few who operate there non-PvP focused. They'll just stop and that means LESS combat targets. |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
71
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Posted - 2012.05.28 08:41:00 -
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specializt wrote:Frying Doom wrote: What does any of that have to do with Worm Holes?
Except for the WH-drones : just about everything, the tasks in WH are identical to the tasks in null.
not exactly true, but close, in WH space, you don't show in local if you don't type in local. so,,,, if you are covert op, you are actualy, covert ! crazy yea. also being a scanner/prober becomes a valued job, not just an alt char to find exits and sites then logged off.
this is why a lot of us think making the local channel like WH space would be a good idea. i can name a few reasons why this would be a good thing.
1: covert op ships are doing what they are ment to do, finally.
2: scanning and probing becomes a need at all times pilots job and not a hang on till i log on my alt for a minute or two.
3: afk cloakers get the sack,, why,, because they are now useless as a trolling/griefing tool.
4: it builds team work within a squad/fleet.
none of these things are a bad thing. fear of all local channels becoming like WH space is not a bad thing. like always some pilots want the game handed to them on a plate. for those that would say it would be impossible to locate and kill a target,
how about if location agents got a boost ? more accurate, took less time to locate/re-use ?
my interest in this is obvious i guess, i'd ike to see covert operations being covert, at the moment they are only 100% covert in WH space. |
Phill Esteen
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.05.28 09:51:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Anyways that's the past 17 pages of this thread all summed up for you, ban npc corps.
Supported, members of NPC corps contribute nothing to this game |
Snow Burst
RED.OverLord
24
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Posted - 2012.05.28 10:10:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Snow Burst wrote:sooooooooooooooo your saying you want the entire game to be an hour of probing out people to go fetch your ship to find theyve moved off? no local in wh space works because its the whole point and adds a different play style not everyone wants to play in wh's nah he doesn't really want any changes, Caliph is just a guy whose experience with pvp is a handful of highsec wardecs trying to build himself an image of something that he isn't while Frying Doom is merely poorly repeating trolls from NPC corp shiptoasters of EVE-gd past because he's butthurt about goons calling him out on his creepy whiteknighting of Issler Dainze during the CSM7 elections, but he doesn't really grasp game mechanics that well so he does a bad job of it. Anyways that's the past 17 pages of this thread all summed up for you, ban npc corps. rofl sounds bout right There Is A 90% Chance All Of What You Just Read Is Wrong, Inaccurate Or Just Me Being Controversial In Some Way.-áOr By Some Chance It's Completely Right In Every Way... At Least To Me :3 |
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Posted - 2012.05.28 10:18:00 -
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xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:1: covert op ships are doing what they are ment to do, finally. Unless there's a counter, then cloaked ships just became even more overpowered against ratters and miners.
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:3: afk cloakers get the sack,, why,, because they are now useless as a trolling/griefing tool. The only thing that's removed from the equation is the fact that people see them, what it's been replaced with is the need to assume that there's always 1 or more cloaked ship in a system or on the way, and as such you've got to have 1 alt (or 1 person) sitting cloaked on grid with each gate and wormhole in system, with the sole purpose of staring at that gate to see who comes and who goes. And they still have to assume that at any point in time someone can log on from, say, the day before. And since they're cloaked, they can pick and choose the time of the engagement, and all it takes is for one guy to be inattentive or be left alone for a few seconds, and pop he goes.
This all works in wormholes because there are limits to how many entries there are to a system, and the rewards are massively higher than in nullsec, so for those who decide to go to wormholes, they've weighed the risk vs reward and gone "yes, I think I want me some of that". People in null, low and hisec haven't had to add this variable to the equation, and if they have to, a lot of them will move, which'll render a lot of what "remove local" people wants moot, because there'll be even fewer people to actually hunt.
"Remove local" proponents such as Caliph keeps claiming that my point about people leaving f.ex nullsec is false has himself stated, on the record, that he has weighed up the work he has to put in to stay in wormholes, and decided that it wasn't for him, and it wasn't even the huge amount of work his "final solution to the local problem" would entail; no, it was just the fact he would have to roll a market alt to buy/sell stuff, or the few hours every now and again he'd have to spend to keep a POS fuelled, bring in a bit of ammo etc etc etc.
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:none of these things are a bad thing. fear of all local channels becoming like WH space is not a bad thing. like always some pilots want the game handed to them on a plate. for those that would say it would be impossible to locate and kill a target,
how about if location agents got a boost ? more accurate, took less time to locate/re-use ? What mechanics does this target have at his disposal to mitigate the risk? |
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