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Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
87
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Posted - 2012.05.28 13:55:00 -
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Zosius wrote:I support idea that local should not register people via wormholes or atleast get delayed. Now every time you jump in, all farmers park before you move fromsession cloak. Should same mechanics apply for cov ops cyno. This would add so much fun and null with low would actually have risk involved.
that depends on what you mean with "covert ops cyno". I guess you dont mean a regular cyno in a covert ops ship? If you get black ops also involved it could get very messy. One of the reasons why CCP has not changed in many years black ops is cos they are "OP". If you bring them into the game, it could add more serious issues to an already "OP" ships...I ould say this needs to have to be looked really deeply. |
specializt
Angry Angels Constructions The Kadeshi
2
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Posted - 2012.05.28 13:57:00 -
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after reading this thread, i know support the idea of closing down WHs permanently, moving the players to crowded nullsec-places ( --> food for the animals) and dropping the T3-loot in 10/10 with a much lower droprate from now on. It would be marvelous ... |
Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
87
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Posted - 2012.05.28 14:00:00 -
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specializt wrote:after reading this thread, i know support the idea of closing down WHs permanently, moving the players to crowded nullsec-places and dropping the T3-loot in 10/10 with a much lower droprate from now on. It would be marvelous ...
rofl. if there is one thing we already have prooved that in eve, you cant force people to do anything. people will always do as they pleased. you close down wh people will go to high sec, you close down high sec people will go to low sec, you close down lowsec people will stop signing in . I think its one of those self preservation inbuild mechanism in the human race spceially since eve is real for some ! |
Lord Zim
717
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Posted - 2012.05.28 14:11:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:The answer to your convoluted question zim is how many of my ships and friends would I take along with me to do it. So let's see if I've got this right. Most people who are running plexes in nullsec (at between 50 and 75m/hour) are currently running them in PVE-fitted ships (which according to you isn't necessary). But to do the same job in a PVP-fitted ship, you'd have to bring more people, which splits the reward between two (or more) people, so we're down to less isk/hour than L4s. Which means we'd both be better off having a L4 char in empire for when we need to do some isk-making.
Then we add your local changes (or rather just the removal thereof, since you never come up with anything other than "REMOVE LOCAL EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!!!"), and we have to add a char or a guy on each gate to watch for roaming gangs, which further degrades the isk/hour figure, making L4s even more attractive.
Which brings me back to my assertation of a few days ago: just removing local will depopulate null and lowsec even further, and make the use of NPC corps or neutral alts even more prevalent in hisec during warsdecs. Which'll mean less people to shoot out in null and lowsec, and even less effective wardecs in hisec.
Unless, of course, you're going to keep harping on about how "I'm wrong" and "the population would increase", in while totally ignoring all the empiric evidence which has been shown just the last year or so alone, f.ex through what happened in null after the anom buff (people moved out to nullsec), after the anom nerf (people moved back to hisec to do L4s), and also given what happened to incursions after the incursion nerf (incursions are apparently somewhat deserted now, compared to when they were choc full, just because the isk/hour went down). |
Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
87
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Posted - 2012.05.28 14:19:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:The answer to your convoluted question zim is how many of my ships and friends would I take along with me to do it. So let's see if I've got this right. Most people who are running plexes in nullsec (at between 50 and 75m/hour) are currently running them in PVE-fitted ships (which according to you isn't necessary). But to do the same job in a PVP-fitted ship, you'd have to bring more people, which splits the reward between two (or more) people, so we're down to less isk/hour than L4s. Which means we'd both be better off having a L4 char in empire for when we need to do some isk-making. Then we add your local changes (or rather just the removal thereof, since you never come up with anything other than "REMOVE LOCAL EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!!!"), and we have to add a char or a guy on each gate to watch for roaming gangs, which further degrades the isk/hour figure, making L4s even more attractive. Which brings me back to my assertation of a few days ago: just removing local will depopulate null and lowsec even further, and make the use of NPC corps or neutral alts even more prevalent in hisec during warsdecs. Which'll mean less people to shoot out in null and lowsec, and even less effective wardecs in hisec. Unless, of course, you're going to keep harping on about how "I'm wrong" and "the population would increase", in while totally ignoring all the empiric evidence which has been shown just the last year or so alone, f.ex through what happened in null after the anom buff (people moved out to nullsec), after the anom nerf (people moved back to hisec to do L4s), and also given what happened to incursions after the incursion nerf (incursions are apparently somewhat deserted now, compared to when they were choc full, just because the isk/hour went down).
Caliph is only interested in killing. Zim, he does not trully cares about numbers in eve. If he did we would realise that removing local will only encourage more people to do level 4s in high sec. He thinks tha if local get removed, all of a sudden he is gonna be in killing people by the millions XD. He does not understand that the soution is not to handycap eve back to 2003. He does not undestand that bait works better than nerfing back to the stone age. |
Solj RichPopolous
GaNgBANGurD3aD
7
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Posted - 2012.05.28 15:11:00 -
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Mra Rednu wrote:Solj RichPopolous wrote:Simple Fix. Remove local and overhaul the scanner into something that resembles radar in an actual spaceship. The scanner is about the only thing in EVE that has not been changed much if at all since release in 05. No local but if I open up my scanner (and yes have it autoscan) ships will appear with the same color tagging system thats already in place for local. This alone adds so much more immersion to EVE imho. Theres not alot of work involved in intel with this game which is why it starts to seem so small so fast. Please don't ever ask CCP to overhaul the d-scan, sure it not been changed since '05 but it bloody works so leave it be, there plenty of broken things for them to fix without breaking one of those things that works. As a fairly casual pvp'er i would hate the removal of local, how many hours would be wasted looking for targets to hunt, each system has to be scanned and how would you pick up a wt from one of the many ships on scan. Seriously you want people to scan each and every gate, belt, anom, mission site, visit every station the list is long before you can tick that system off you're list for not having a wt in........ but someone may of logged in or jumped in on one of the gates you can't see, so how long do you scan a system for ? If local was removed you'd get more frustrated high sec pvp'ers like you're self, too scared to go in a WH, Lowsec or Nullsec because of some lame logistical excuse or for an unseen, presumed menace ( like finding people who are willing and able to shoot back ) , relying on a ever growing army of neutral's scouts to find their victims it will basically be like the suicide ganker providing a warp in, plus about as close to pvp as that is. On that note I take it you'll also be asking for CCP to make it so all alt's on all the players accounts must be in the same corp, so the hunted have a chance to see themselves getting scouted out or expect them to have all the warnings taken away without being willing to give up something you're self ?
Lol check my kill board. Been in wh low and most frequently null. With small gang action not blobbing. I'm actually in hi sec atm to give this new merc stuff a try. But I find myself roaming low sec to fill in the gaps (check yesterday). Killing noob gankers solo. Especially those who chronically run MWDs. |
Mr Bigwinky
4U Services Inc. Talocan United
230
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Posted - 2012.05.28 15:56:00 -
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Derrick Munroe wrote:If you don't like local, go to wormhole space. Nobody's going to change the game on account of one mechanic you don't like. Don't listen to this guy, you're not welcome.
Sincerely, Wormhole Space Welcome to EVE online, here's your rubix cube, go F*** yourself GÖÑ |
specializt
Angry Angels Constructions The Kadeshi
2
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Posted - 2012.05.28 16:18:00 -
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there is only 1 place for people who want to get rid of local : highsec, asteroid-belts ... in the role of gankerkiddies, that is |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
207
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Posted - 2012.05.28 19:47:00 -
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Look at the replies. Pathetic. You guys got owned and you have no comebacks just more drivel. Why not just admit some of you are too idiotic to play without local? |
Snow Burst
RED.OverLord
60
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Posted - 2012.05.28 19:48:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Look at the replies. Pathetic. You guys got owned and you have no comeback except even longer paragraphs of complete drivel. Why not just admit most of you are to idiotic to play without local? and you posted. derp There Is A 90% Chance All Of What You Just Read Is Wrong, Inaccurate Or Just Me Being Controversial In Some Way.-áOr By Some Chance It's Completely Right In Every Way... At Least To Me :3 |
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Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
88
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Posted - 2012.05.28 20:18:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Look at the replies. Pathetic. You guys got owned and you have no comebacks just more drivel. Why not just admit some of you are too idiotic to play without local?
i love how he goes bananas out of the blue. Why dont you admit you are too stupid to pvp, neverming you ever pvping in 0.0 |
Snow Burst
RED.OverLord
60
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Posted - 2012.05.28 20:23:00 -
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safe to say hell never get into a 0.0 pvp alliance/corp now lol There Is A 90% Chance All Of What You Just Read Is Wrong, Inaccurate Or Just Me Being Controversial In Some Way.-áOr By Some Chance It's Completely Right In Every Way... At Least To Me :3 |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
161
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Posted - 2012.05.28 20:24:00 -
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I am a proponent of removing at least the cloaked from the free intel coming over local... however I believe haivng a local system in empire makes sense from the stand point of the lore and havng a region some what friendlier to new players.
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Snow Burst
RED.OverLord
60
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Posted - 2012.05.28 20:25:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:I am a proponent of removing at least the cloaked from the free intel coming over local... however I believe haivng a local system in empire makes sense from the stand point of the lore and havng a region some what friendlier to new players.
wait so your saying get rid of cloakies? lmao fail There Is A 90% Chance All Of What You Just Read Is Wrong, Inaccurate Or Just Me Being Controversial In Some Way.-áOr By Some Chance It's Completely Right In Every Way... At Least To Me :3 |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.05.28 20:29:00 -
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I don't acutally know what the complaint about local is, so....
What if it didn't display a list of people in local? Or is that what people are asking for? Would make sense if you didn't show up in local if your cloaked though. I don't know, that just seems like a no brainer to me.
But I honestly don't know what's going on. I just saw balls and had to click the thread.... |
Snow Burst
RED.OverLord
60
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Posted - 2012.05.28 20:31:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:I don't acutally know what the complaint about local is, so....
What if it didn't display a list of people in local? Or is that what people are asking for? Would make sense if you didn't show up in local if your cloaked though. I don't know, that just seems like a no brainer to me.
But I honestly don't know what's going on. I just saw balls and had to click the thread.... the complaint is by fail noobs who cant adapt to null sec pvp so they shud be ignored There Is A 90% Chance All Of What You Just Read Is Wrong, Inaccurate Or Just Me Being Controversial In Some Way.-áOr By Some Chance It's Completely Right In Every Way... At Least To Me :3 |
Mire Stoude
Capital Industries Research And Development Fidelas Constans
9
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Posted - 2012.05.28 20:35:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote: It would solve cloaky camps people complain about. It would give a point to cloaks people complain about.
Uncloak aliegned, tap bomb, warp to safety. No time to get reinforcements on grid to help or even lock targets. Hurray for 100% Safe uncounterable attacks. Then nerf bombs. Change them. Make them super powerful torpedoes that can only hit capitals. It would be a small sacrifice, and im a dedicated cloaky kind of player, for the greater good of the game. But also remember that even if that were the case no local means that for that to occur a scouting operation would have had to of occured first. Maybe it would be a well earned uncounterable attack.
Shocking that a "dedicated" (AFK) cloaker would support removing local. |
Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
88
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Posted - 2012.05.28 20:37:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:I don't acutally know what the complaint about local is, so....
What if it didn't display a list of people in local? Or is that what people are asking for? Would make sense if you didn't show up in local if your cloaked though. I don't know, that just seems like a no brainer to me.
But I honestly don't know what's going on. I just saw balls and had to click the thread....
The guy cant pvp. He "pvp" in high sec. I said that in quotes cos i believe he said that what he actually does is gate camping. But puting that a side, he does not pvp in 0.0 and he comes in gets angry and insults everyone that has an opinion different from him and request local to b removed and on top of that he even says that SB bombs need to be nerfed just so that he could have no local. |
Blabb3r M0uth B11tch
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2012.05.28 20:45:00 -
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OK, I have a question directed directly at CCP. I admit it, I'm really, really stupid. So much so that I really have no interest in PVP what so ever. But I do like to mine and mission run. Not real big on being a clay pigeon for the Professional High Sec PVP pilots either. Stupid, but not that stupid. My question is this, since I'm stupid, (I have money, but stupid just the same) Should I just go play Sim City, and forget all about EvE? |
Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
89
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Posted - 2012.05.28 20:50:00 -
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Blabb3r M0uth B11tch wrote:OK, I have a question directed directly at CCP. I admit it, I'm really, really stupid. So much so that I really have no interest in PVP what so ever. But I do like to mine and mission run. Not real big on being a clay pigeon for the Professional High Sec PVP pilots either. Stupid, but not that stupid. My question is this, since I'm stupid, (I have money, but stupid just the same) Should I just go play Sim City, and forget all about EvE?
shouldnt that be your decision instead of CCPs, after all its your time and money? |
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.05.28 20:51:00 -
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Blabb3r M0uth B11tch wrote:OK, I have a question directed directly at CCP. I admit it, I'm really, really stupid. So much so that I really have no interest in PVP what so ever. But I do like to mine and mission run. Not real big on being a clay pigeon for the Professional High Sec PVP pilots either. Stupid, but not that stupid. My question is this, since I'm stupid, (I have money, but stupid just the same) Should I just go play Sim City, and forget all about EvE?
I know I'm not CCP or anything, but I personally think you're just a blabber mouthed *****. Anyways...
I still have no idea what the problem is, but... I wouldn't mind if local was scaled down to not be as "powerful a tool" for scouting. I mean, don't remove local, just remove the untintended benefits of it. Seems like people are always looking at thing from either one extreme or the other.
Some want local removed. Others say no. How about just making it so you can use local to tell if it's friend or foe in the system? You know, restrict it to a text messaging type service, with no functionality beyond that. If you send a PM to an individual in local and respond then you can use that message to get information about that person, and they can do the same to you.
I don't really see why you should be able to use local to parse each individual to see if they're in an unfriendly corp, have low sec standing, or anything other then to chat. At the same time, that doesn't mean get rid of it.
Or am I seriously missing something here? |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
346
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Posted - 2012.05.28 20:51:00 -
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i dont get why grow balls? the are weak and sensitive... if anything you should say grow a vagnina.... those things take a pounding... Betty white 2012... PLEX FOR PIZZA!
TECH iii MINNING SHIPS! |
Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
89
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Posted - 2012.05.28 20:54:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:i dont get why grow balls? the are weak and sensitive... if anything you should say grow a vagnina.... those things take a pounding... Betty white 2012... ROFL |
Blabb3r M0uth B11tch
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.05.28 21:08:00 -
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I'm of an opinion of this. HIgh Sec PVP isn't even about the PVP aspect of the game. My opinion is there are a few players out there that feel CCP is encroaching on there ability to absolutely ruin someones day. IE, it's not about PvP at all, but just making people miserable period, and your desperate desires to do so.
Believe it or not, there are actually very successful pirates that operate in 0.0 on a daily basis. I totally respect those guys and gals.
My personnel feelings is you high sec people, fighting for the right to be able to ruin peoples day in high sec, are nothing more than players that just can't make the grade. Nothing more, nothing less.
Like I said, the low sec, and 0.0 pirates, flourish and get my salute. Tank your high sec Hulks people. It's that simple.
PS Natsett Amuinn I would support removing local in 0.0. It would be more interesting for sure. Maybe even low sec. In high sec, NFW. |
Lord Zim
718
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Posted - 2012.05.28 21:11:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Look at the replies. Pathetic. You guys got owned and you have no comebacks just more drivel. Why not just admit some of you are too idiotic to play without local? You might've look like less of a sore loser while saying that if you hadn't just gotten owned hard by me, just sayin'. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.05.28 21:17:00 -
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Blabb3r M0uth B11tch wrote:I'm of an opinion of this. HIgh Sec PVP isn't even about the PVP aspect of the game. My opinion is there are a few players out there that feel CCP is encroaching on there ability to absolutely ruin someones day. IE, it's not about PvP at all, but just making people miserable period, and your desperate desires to do so.
Believe it or not, there are actually very successful pirates that operate in 0.0 on a daily basis. I totally respect those guys and gals.
My personnel feelings is you high sec people, fighting for the right to be able to ruin peoples day in high sec, are nothing more than players that just can't make the grade. Nothing more, nothing less.
Like I said, the low sec, and 0.0 pirates, flourish and get my salute. Tank your high sec Hulks people. It's that simple.
PS Natsett Amuinn I would support removing local in 0.0. It would be more interesting for sure. Maybe even low sec. In high sec, NFW.
A local that allows you to tell if it's friend or foe, gives you a false impression of the EVE universe.
I don't want local to be removed. Do some people want it removed all together? I don't agree with that.
They should remove the ability to extract informatin out of it. I don't use the list in my chat, except for intel chanell.
Chat should open you up. Have a broadcast chanell that only reaches so far as well. |
Blabb3r M0uth B11tch
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.05.28 21:28:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn #432, I actually do like your idea at he end of that post. Problem is the friend & foe thing, is exactly what the high sect people are wanting to get rid of. Keep the Friend and Foe ID, get rid of everything else. I'm cool
Oh and sorry about being a BIG Mouth 6itch. But I do intend to stay that way. |
Frying Doom
198
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Posted - 2012.05.28 21:57:00 -
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The best reason for the removal of Local is Goonswarms current war decs, possibility of ganking me ect... Not living in Hi-sec I don't much worry about war dec's but I do have to worry about being attacked.
This is not much of a problem for me if the ganker was someone in the Goonswarm its self. Why? because with local I have plenty of warning that they are now in the same system as me.
I fully believe in the removal of local from Null sec, Null has become to safe too boring(and apparently kind of poor relatively but thats for another discussion) An auto updating D-scan makes alot more sense than a free intel device, that no one is paying for. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
Local Channel in Null must Die. Jump Drives need Nerfing. Null is meant to be dangerous and hard. Not safe and boring. |
Mindseamstress
Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises
6
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Posted - 2012.05.28 22:10:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Mindseamstress wrote: Oh what you are talking about is going back to the way it was in 2003... I admit the game was more fun back then but unfortunately, it turns out the majority didn't so CCP took out the nerf bad in favor of carebearism. Note that the number of players went up sharply from an all time low of 3k per day.
You forget the part about having no Concord. Slightly different than no local. Convenient you forgot that.
Not really, you'd been popped before local even loaded :-P |
Snow Burst
RED.OverLord
70
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Posted - 2012.05.28 22:11:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Blabb3r M0uth B11tch wrote:I'm of an opinion of this. HIgh Sec PVP isn't even about the PVP aspect of the game. My opinion is there are a few players out there that feel CCP is encroaching on there ability to absolutely ruin someones day. IE, it's not about PvP at all, but just making people miserable period, and your desperate desires to do so.
Believe it or not, there are actually very successful pirates that operate in 0.0 on a daily basis. I totally respect those guys and gals.
My personnel feelings is you high sec people, fighting for the right to be able to ruin peoples day in high sec, are nothing more than players that just can't make the grade. Nothing more, nothing less.
Like I said, the low sec, and 0.0 pirates, flourish and get my salute. Tank your high sec Hulks people. It's that simple.
PS Natsett Amuinn I would support removing local in 0.0. It would be more interesting for sure. Maybe even low sec. In high sec, NFW. A local that allows you to tell if it's friend or foe, gives you a false impression of the EVE universe. I don't want local to be removed. Do some people want it removed all together? I don't agree with that. They should remove the ability to extract informatin out of it. I don't use the list in my chat, except for intel chanell. Chat should open you up. Have a broadcast chanell that only reaches so far as well. your the standout from goonswarm then lol There Is A 90% Chance All Of What You Just Read Is Wrong, Inaccurate Or Just Me Being Controversial In Some Way.-áOr By Some Chance It's Completely Right In Every Way... At Least To Me :3 |
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