Get rid of local, all secs. It fixes almost everything. You would have to work to locate a target. You would have to work to avoid a target. There would be risk in high sec. There would be risk in all secs.

Freighters could be caught during a war dec. Freighters could get through during a war dec.

You would still have Concord retaliation in high sec. You could still be camped, though if you break the camp it would be harder to hunt you down. Certainly no worse that what we have now but with compelling gameplay.

It would solve cloaky camps people complain about. It would give a point to cloaks of which people complain about.

It would make neutral alts almost irrelevant. Though not 100%. It would certainly make playing with one account a lot less of a disadvantage. Sure you might lose a few alt account subs, but you would gain many more subs by having more compelling gameplay. What good is a scout profession when they're revealed as soon as they enter system?

The changes the expansion are bringing aren't going to revitalize low sec or null sec and its certainly not going to promote or fuel war. Quite the opposite.

The devs and the playerbase talk a lot about EVE being hardcore, but as of yet i'm not really seeing the hardcore aspect to the game.

The game is a boring campfest. Removing local removes that to a large degree.

To my ultra Orthodox carebear players, uncle Caliphy isn't throwing you under the bus. The threats you worry about occuring with this change would actually be resolvable by a merc corporation. If you are decced and you hire a merc the merc cannot sneak up on the enemy with everything displayed for them. They may be able to make your tormentors life a little more difficult but in most cases can't force a fight under those conditions. With no local they could. If you are camped by a griefdec and you hire a reasonably sized merc to help you the griefer will never see them coming. It's win/win.

Even null entry points would be camped far less. Lets see the thirty man bubble camp consistently do it when a 150 man roaming gang warps in on them and they never see it coming.

Local is holding EVE back. Period. Get rid of it and let EVE become great.

This OP is filled with "no" and seasoned with "unsubstantiated fail".

Grow some balls.

Biomass yourself.

This

Shame soo many threads like this one are full of pure fail.

My main point is the basis of the sec status as how it was originally set up

Hi-sec = Safest
Lo-sec = less safe
Null sec = Dangerous and lawless
Wormholes = Insanely dangerous.

Any alterations to the system should follow this pattern. But I do agree wars are boring as hell and with the new ability to call in an infinite number of allies to help the defenders will probably become rare.

remove local? only if you remove cloaking ability altogether

Look at all the terribaddies squirming when they have their easy mode questioned. The same few posters with sandy vaginas repeating the same vacuous diatribe.

Look it up, cretins.

I do appreciate you guys giving my words their due attention.

Sounds like you need to undock about it.

It never ceases to amaze me the people in this game that can't ever seem to be satisfied with finding things to kill. Now we have a new term "Prey", and "Predators" lol Sounds a little like child p0rn to me, but who am I, just an observer in this battle of the royal about who should have the advantage over who.

Let me recant a very important fact about EvE to all the Predators Here. There happens to be a very large sect of family, and others that play eve more for social impact of the game, than anything else. Friends that gather to Mine, run Missions, Incursions and the such. These people are interested because they can build things, build an empire so to speak, visit with there friends, and have fun. There really have no interest at all in getting ganked, or destroyed, or even fighting. Just having there good time in there own way. OK, you may think it's lame, But what about em.

Bottom line is this, there are other games, and maybe, just maybe, that's where they belong? I wonder how CCP would really feel, if they did succeed in making virtually all of the space in the game so dangerous for these type of players, that they simply up and moved on to other things, other games, where they can find something they like.

My guess, CCP might be disappointed in the results. I'm certain it would result in major lost subscriptions. I would guess it wouldn't be the type players that just ganked some poor unsuspecting fools freighter with everything they own in the game. That end up selling all there stuff and buying plexes with the isk to play on. But the players they will most likely loose are the fools with the freighter that got destroyed, that actually paid for his subscription with a credit card. I've seen it, they basically say screw this and never come back to the game. Good riddance I guess. I personally don't think CCP wants this, even if you do..

Bottom line, there are an over abundance of things to kill in the land of EvE, If you can't find them, your first step should be to look in a mirror.

Yes, we can always go find random pvp. But thats just random. The issue with local is targeted pvp and its amateur inhibition of it.

CCP will leave local alone, it's there for a purpose, and it serves it well. Simple fact is if CCP changed it, I'm certain not even they feel warm and fuzzy about the consequences.

PS. Thought I would add my post for your viewing pleasure

Keep on believing Karn if you want. If I tell you exactly how much of a fail candyass pansy you are when you're in a 8000 man alliance what on earth makes you think Karn could ever put fear into me. You are a silly lemming.

You're the one who has absolutely no kills outside of hisec, and wants to remove local to make it even easier to gank people (as if it was impossible now; it isn't), and is at least providing no outward clue as to whether you've put any thought whatsoever into what the impact will be for all groups other than the ganker.

Why would I go to nullsec with 12 people? Nullsec is just the areas you can declare sovereignty in. Its not the "pvp" zone in EVE. I have zero reason to ever go out there and contribute to the success of an alliance that doesn't give a care in the world about its members. Your case as you weaseled your way into one of the very few successful ones is the exception not the standard.

What about the effect on lowsec? NPC nullsec? Hisec? None of these places are where you "declare sovereignty", and all of them are "pvp zones".

No local would fix losec. You are so beyond clueless I, are you autistic?

Throwing my 2 ISK worth into this topic.


Empire controls 2 areas of space, high security and low security. Players showing up in Local chat channels is intel provided by Empire Factions. Null security is controlled by Alliances and as such they have to provide their own intel. Null security systems need to be patrolled by the Alliances controlling SOV for intel.

High security local chat channel shows everyone.
Low security local chat channel shows Criminals and War Targets.
Null security local chat channel shows Alliance and Allies controlling SOV.
Wormhole local chat channel shows no one.

All local chat channels show players who speak and as long as that player remains in that system, that player's intel is available in Local chat.

You have no clue of the effect either. Nothing more than pessimistic projection and yet you demand proof of me that you can't provide.

I can answer any question you want me to Zim but having a conversation with you is tedious.

Its not a matter of being unable to but not wanting to.

Local when utilized prevents any chance whatsoever of conflict