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Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
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Posted - 2012.05.22 17:13:00 -
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Argyle Jones wrote:Zagdul wrote:
Sup?
Have you seen general discussion in the past 5 minutes?
People have a strange sense of entitlement these days. CCP is one of the few gaming companies that will go into a dialogue with it's player base, but thousand of EVE Online players seem to think that means they can have their specific pet peeve addressed... Immediately... With a personal apology from the company CEO... You get to give them feedback. If it's constructive and well presented, they will likely listen to you and improve in future iterations. If you instead come off as an angry child, you're likely to be dismissed as such.
No they where given lots of good feedback as to why the new UI sucked and warned not to go live with the current system. They ignored all the advise and reservations, bought in a system which is less functional and less intuitive and now they get to listen to the complaints.
Tal
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Tiger's Spirit
Troll Hunters INC.
115
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Posted - 2012.05.22 17:21:00 -
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iLLeLogicaL wrote:This is ridicilous. Players have been asking for the ability to name pos mods forever and we still don't have it. Now they introduce a inventory window that looks super neat, works really fast but is not yet ready for release. If you live at a pos you'll see your inventory cluttered with all the guns, all the smas, hangars without the ability to sort or filter of any kind. Which is a waste of my screen space, I don't want to see all my guns that I can't even access because they're 40K away. And not even the search funtion is working properly :/ Check this out. I mean come'on, this is ye olde ccp. Not listening to players and just ******* their own game. And check out the damn video goliath.
Yup that is horribe. CCP didn't listen to playerbase. Lot of players tell to CCP at least 1 month ago what is the problem with their new inventory system, some member created videos from mistakes, but CCP answer was this :
CCP Arrow wrote:
"In the sessions the whole team observed the live feed and took notes on everything the participants did. We don't do User Tests because we don't believe you when you say there is a problem, we want to address it correctly and by seeing it in action with our own eyes, we can more easily find a solution to the problems you have found."
So, where is the CSM when the playerbase need them ? Why need moving to Jita or Amarr to shot monuments if the playerbase need attention ???
Just 1 year passed and CCP make same mistake again. They want lose in every years 20k players and they want fixing their mistakes in every year to bring them back ? This is the smartest solution ? |
Major Annoyance
Decadence. RAZOR Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:21:00 -
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I must admit that I didn't check it out on Sisi. I should have done, because what I see on TQ, is simply bad. The people who came up with the concept for unified inventory obviously do not play EVE.
Draging stuff back and forth from/to that very minimalistic tree view is a pain. Delivering stuff to corp member hangars is almost impossible because only half of the hangars appear and the list isn't even sorted. Overall performance of anything related to corp hangars (still) sucks. |
Marcus Caspius
Vitriol Ventures Tribal Dragons
24
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Posted - 2012.05.22 20:01:00 -
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I work in Software Engineering - If I gave a response to customer feedback like CCP Goliath did to my clients I'd be out on my arse!
Short and sweet is - the Inventory is SH!T!!! |
Darth Kilth
Clan Exiled Legends
11
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Posted - 2012.05.22 20:23:00 -
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With the amount of negative feedback it's a suprise they didn't hold of with releasing the new inventory management screen till it was actually usable.
CCP dropped the ball big time here, they should release it when it's ready not when it's barely out of alpha. But it seems they wanted it out now regardless.
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Marcus Caspius
Vitriol Ventures Tribal Dragons
26
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Posted - 2012.05.22 22:27:00 -
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Here is a clear indication that its a FAIL feature...
There is currently a flurry of mails in a corp on possible work around or possible tactics to avoid using it... Good god, who is the "Business Analyst " on the project? Do you not consult with the users?
CCP it also illustrates how out of touch some of your staff are with the customers needs.
seriously - W T F |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
603
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Posted - 2012.05.22 22:47:00 -
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Admitedly I have yet to see this system.....but considering the hemoraging blood coming from various threanaughts...fair enough....I concede...this does not bode well.
USUALLY test servers are indicators of testing in progress...but it seems I have a little to much faith in CCP. ================ STOP THE EVEMAIL-áSPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152
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Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
270
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Posted - 2012.05.23 02:41:00 -
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Welp - it's out there and a bunch of folk unhappy about it.
So, CSM ... care to respond? I seem to remember listening to you on EveRadio talking this up like it was really cool and useful? It is obvious that none of you have even looked at it. You all probably only log into Eve once a month or so and even then only sit on comms to issue orders to your minions.
Nothing clever at this time. |
Jack Parr
University of Caille Gallente Federation
51
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Posted - 2012.05.23 03:55:00 -
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The CSM is pretty quiet. I don't think they understand they are supposed to HELP the player base. What's the point in having a CSM if they aren't going to help us?
Maybe they are waiting for the mittani to tell them what to do? Seems like they really are nothing but goonie pets. "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average goon." -á -á-á - The Mittani |
Gaktern Flagg
VITUPERATED HYSTERIA V.I.R.A.L.
1
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Posted - 2012.05.23 04:37:00 -
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Completely agree with the OP. The new inventory system is broken. |
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Logicycle
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
2
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Posted - 2012.05.23 05:43:00 -
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A lot of pissed off people on this issue.
You guys should point out to CCP that no one was complaining about the old system. |
Gaktern Flagg
VITUPERATED HYSTERIA V.I.R.A.L.
1
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Posted - 2012.05.23 05:48:00 -
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You know there is an issue when Jita scammers take time away from scamming to spam about the issue. On a more serious note, this system is unusable in it's current iteration. |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
726
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Posted - 2012.05.23 09:21:00 -
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Logicycle wrote:A lot of pissed off people on this issue.
You guys should point out to CCP that no one was complaining about the old system.
I disagree.
Inventory and Assets is definitely a priority and does need upgrading and change. This current release was just not ready for a production copy of EVE.
CCP needs to put more devs on it and get it iterated to hell. It should function properly and more in line to what we're used to while implementing new and forward thinking design. A list of fixes for the new inventory:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=104539 |
Arduemont
Malevolent Intentions Ineluctable.
106
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Posted - 2012.05.23 11:28:00 -
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With the new unified inventory I havn't needed more than one window open, so alot of the problems described arn't problems at all for me. And I've had no problem with windows refreshing (again) because I only need one window open.
I sympathise however, with the people trying to use it in wierd and wonderful ways having problems.
Supported. Get the bugs fixed. (Even though they dont really affect me).
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Tiger's Spirit
Troll Hunters INC.
124
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Posted - 2012.05.23 12:33:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:With the new unified inventory I havn't needed more than one window open, so alot of the problems described arn't problems at all for me. And I've had no problem with windows refreshing (again) because I only need one window open. I sympathise however, with the people trying to use it in more complex ways having problems. Supported. Get the bugs fixed. (Even though they dont really affect me). Tiger's Spirit wrote: What ? Every player got those problems. Maybe you need to open your eyes. This Unified inventory system is a semi-developed inventory system in alpha state. The opened windows dissapear when someone docking out or up. Same thing happen when the pilot change solar systems. The system dont remember the windows positions and size and need to open and set again and again every time. Difficult to handling in many situations, (in pvp, for pos manager, for capitalship pilots,looting etc)
But you talking about, you had no problems. LOL
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Hey troll, just stfu and go back your kindergarden. I dont understand why here a Re.tard like you. |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
605
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Posted - 2012.05.23 14:12:00 -
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Tiger's Spirit wrote:Arduemont wrote:With the new unified inventory I havn't needed more than one window open, so alot of the problems described arn't problems at all for me. And I've had no problem with windows refreshing (again) because I only need one window open. I sympathise however, with the people trying to use it in more complex ways having problems. Supported. Get the bugs fixed. (Even though they dont really affect me). Tiger's Spirit wrote: What ? Every player got those problems. Maybe you need to open your eyes. This Unified inventory system is a semi-developed inventory system in alpha state. The opened windows dissapear when someone docking out or up. Same thing happen when the pilot change solar systems. The system dont remember the windows positions and size and need to open and set again and again every time. Difficult to handling in many situations, (in pvp, for pos manager, for capitalship pilots,looting etc)
But you talking about, you had no problems. LOL
..... Hey troll, just stfu and go back your kindergarden. I dont understand why here a Re.tard like you who talking sh*t everywhere. You are idiot hater who know nothing just hate everything
This isn't a afk cloakers whine thread.
And if you had bothered to read Mr. Blind ______ and _______ you'd see he recognizes that others are likely going to have trouble if they use it in a complex fashion but I suspect your too hung up on yourself to read so yeah... simmer down boy.
Not everyone will have trouble with this system...not everyone plays the game like you do that's for sure. ================ STOP THE EVEMAIL-áSPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152
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Gaktern Flagg
VITUPERATED HYSTERIA V.I.R.A.L.
1
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Posted - 2012.05.23 14:29:00 -
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Arduemont wrote: I just hate every post you make. His opinion was just as (probably more valuable than) yours. He is obviously using the system the way it was intended to be used. The guy in the video has opened up and set up loads of differant windows because he seems to think its more effective somehow, which is retarted. Because all the things he was doing were just as easily done from one window. If you only have one window open, it doesn't close going through gates and there are no problems with it refreshing.
Not to be insulting, but you seemed to miss the entire point of the video. He wasn't trying to see one container (ship, corp hangar, ect.) at a time. He wanted an overview of the items in his possession. With the current overview system this is, as you saw in the video, impossible. So we go back to the point of this thread, the update breaks some of the basic functionality of the inventory. |
Tyr Aeron
L0pht Systems
5
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Posted - 2012.05.23 14:54:00 -
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Majority of players pissed off about CCP 'fixing' something that wasn't broken and CCP either trying to convince us that it's great or ignoring us completely. Why does this sound familiar? OH, right. We're just back to the CCP of 2 years ago when player account numbers were dropping and they had to do a 180 and grovel to the player base to get them back. No wonder this road looks familiar. |
Borg Stoneson
SWARTA Mostly Clueless
33
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Posted - 2012.05.23 15:02:00 -
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Tyr Aeron wrote:Majority of players pissed off about CCP 'fixing' something that wasn't broken and CCP either trying to convince us that it's great or ignoring us completely. Why does this sound familiar? OH, right. We're just back to the CCP of 2 years ago when player account numbers were dropping and they had to do a 180 and grovel to the player base to get them back. No wonder this road looks familiar. This does feel a lot like CQ again, only this time it's effects have reached us all the way in the WH's! |
Zak Stardust
United By Greed
2
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Posted - 2012.05.23 18:22:00 -
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Shift and click???? ok, I got it now. Once I have opened and then minimized the Inventory to a button on the left side menu, then, I can open containers in their own window by using shift and click. I got it ok, but how is this better when this whole process was previously completed with just 1 click?
Don't give me that....... Just don't! |
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Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
607
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Posted - 2012.05.23 18:50:00 -
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Arduemont wrote: Ps: Topic still supported, fix the bugs.
Just in case tiger gets into an seizure again and misses the key point. ================ STOP THE EVEMAIL-áSPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152
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Jonuts
The Arrow Project CORE.
7
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Posted - 2012.05.24 01:36:00 -
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Advocating my support of removing the new inventory system and restoring the working version. Insert veiled threats/wishes of bodily harm upon those that created the unified inventory here. |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
736
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Posted - 2012.05.24 04:41:00 -
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Jonuts wrote:Advocating my support of removing the new inventory system and restoring the working version. Insert veiled threats/wishes of bodily harm upon those that created the unified inventory here.
Awesome, this topic is not about removing the new inventory. Rather, how it can be improved.
CCP will not be removing it so you can get that idea out of your head or un-sub about it.
A list of fixes for the new inventory
Dual Pane idea clicky |
Jonuts
The Arrow Project CORE.
19
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Posted - 2012.05.24 18:23:00 -
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Umm. Removing it IS the best way to improve it. Much like a bullet in your gut. It's only going to give you an infection (and poison you) if you leave it in. |
Arduemont
Malevolent Intentions Ineluctable.
109
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Posted - 2012.05.24 21:58:00 -
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http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=72779
Your being heard. Keep saying what needs changing and sugesting ideas for changing it.
All this "This is all a repeat of CQ!" is an exageration and isn't reallyu helpful. Be coherant and helpful and it might even speed up the process. |
Vas Vadum
LankTech Multitaskers.
21
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Posted - 2012.05.25 16:33:00 -
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There is no CSM as far as I know. He was banned and removed from the game last I heard. Other than that, I do know our word has not been heard. No matter what we say, inventory will not be fixed. I posted a topic on how to fix it and keep the same system in the suggestions board but no one is bothering to look or support. |
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