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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.07.06 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Concubinia Scarlett They have computers and broadband internet access in these prisons too y'know.....
So basicaly if someone so wished they could go and beat a random tourist to death with their left shoe and get locked up for a long stretch.
This would enable them to workout in the gym/play pool/play computer games (EVE?) for hours on end every day, with regular meals cooked to a high standard, no shopping runs, no ironing, in fact no housework at all, no bills to pay, free healthcare, free higher education, no taxes.... I could go on.
Eventualy these people get released from prison and some find themselves jobless, friendless and bootless on the streets.
I wonder why so many people re-offend?
If you really believe that... why dont you?
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THE L0CK
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Posted - 2009.07.06 19:22:00 -
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Edited by: THE L0CK on 06/07/2009 19:22:21
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Concubinia Scarlett They have computers and broadband internet access in these prisons too y'know.....
So basicaly if someone so wished they could go and beat a random tourist to death with their left shoe and get locked up for a long stretch.
This would enable them to workout in the gym/play pool/play computer games (EVE?) for hours on end every day, with regular meals cooked to a high standard, no shopping runs, no ironing, in fact no housework at all, no bills to pay, free healthcare, free higher education, no taxes.... I could go on.
Eventualy these people get released from prison and some find themselves jobless, friendless and bootless on the streets.
I wonder why so many people re-offend?
If you really believe that... why dont you?
Actually a good portion of it is truth but much is exaggerated. Yes they do have computers and internet but not in their cells and it is very policed. Forums users here are complaining about the lack of TPB, try living in a prisoners world. BUT..you can get cable tv and a console system if you're a good little boy. But its hardwired directly into the wall though, don't want you using a cable to kill your bunkmate in the middle of the night you know.
House work there is plenty of. No sense in hiring labor when you have plenty of it right there.
You can actually take on a job in prison and you actually get paid and taxed like everyone. But to put it simply a waitress makes off like a bandit compared to what inmates make for any who understand that reference.
Healthcare and Education are good though although you need it with the amount of stitches you'll receive during your stay there.
Also there are some inmates who actually can't handle the outside world after spending so much time in prison. I can't remember the word but many times they'll recommit to get back in or they commit while n prison to increase the term just to stay there.
Originally by: Whitehound
If I think, but I do not.
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Kessiaan
Minmatar MicroFunks
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Posted - 2009.07.06 19:45:00 -
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Edited by: Kessiaan on 06/07/2009 19:48:49 Yes, because obviously we should continue to marginalize these people so they just offend again and get thrown back in prison. Having the highest incarceration rate in the entire world is a good thing, right?
Just say no teaching these people some discipline and respectable skills they can use on the outside! Wouldn't want them to actually learn how to do something non-criminal, now would we?
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Mudkest
Eventide Industries Intrepid Explorers
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Posted - 2009.07.07 11:13:00 -
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Edited by: Mudkest on 07/07/2009 11:13:07
Originally by: Madam Scarlette WHY the hell should PRISONERS have something to do?! Yea they are knifing each other, so what?! If you can't live by societies rules then maybe you deserve a shank to the gut. Drugs are done and sold either way, be it in the street or in prison so what difference does that make?
yes, great idear. Lets make sure only the most ruthless and dangerous criminals survive prison and make it back into society.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.07 11:17:00 -
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Quote: yes, great idear. Lets make sure only the most ruthless and dangerous criminals survive prison and make it back into society
While there are some people who dont need to learn a skill because they should never leave prison (which is when they should get life sentence), the fast majority of the prisoners will be released one day and have to get a job or they will go back to crime.
And well i bolded the US part. Serious your prisons are about as bad as the average south american prison and you use chinese tactics (No we didnt give him death sentence, we just hope he gets killed in prison).
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Mc Gyver
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.07.07 11:30:00 -
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Edited by: Mc Gyver on 07/07/2009 11:33:08 My views are:
1) If someone gets a life sentence, they should be executed, there is no reason to pay for them to live on earth if they will be in prison for the rest of their lives. It's a waste of my TAX dollars.
2) Prison should be a hell hole, 12 hour shifts of the hardest manual labor you can impose on a human body without killing the person. They should be building things for the rest of the law abiding citizens, paying them back for being s****and getting into prison in the first place. They are so damn tired from working, they have no time to worry about shanking anyone in there, or worry about their financial assets and their fellow gang members out in the real world. It should not be a 5 year right of passage for gang members to go get buffed up in the prison GYM, learn how to be better killers from their fellow homies in the slammer, and have a higher gang ranking when they get out because they did their time in the big house.
You don't rehabilitate them, you make them work their asses off, that's all the motivation they need to not be a jackass when they get back out.
The USA (and most of the rest of the world) is doing the prison thing ALL WRONG.
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Tallaran Kouros
Caldari Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.07.07 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Mc Gyver
1) If someone gets a life sentence, they should be executed, there is no reason to pay for them to live on earth if they will be in prison for the rest of their lives. It's a waste of my TAX dollars.
What if you believe that it's wrong for either the state or a private individual to commit murder?
How then do you punish people that commit the most serious crimes in society?
How do you safeguard against miscarriages of justice?
The US practices capital punishment yet people service life sentences or on death row can and have been later exonerated of all wrong-doing and released.
Quote: 2) Prison should be a hell hole, 12 hour shifts of the hardest manual labor you can impose on a human body without killing the person
There is a word for that - it's called "torture".
Quote: They should be building things for the rest of the law abiding citizens, paying them back for being s****and getting into prison in the first place.
Who says prisoners are scum?
Some people genuinely make mistakes and mess up, but that doesn't put them on par with serial killers and sex offenders.
Quote: It should not be a 5 year right of passage for gang members to go get buffed up in the prison GYM, learn how to be better killers from their fellow homies in the slammer, and have a higher gang ranking when they get out because they did their time in the big house.
No it should not, you are quite correct.
That's why there are programmes that help to rehabilitate gang members so that they don't slip back into that lifestyle when they leave prison.
Quote: The USA (and most of the rest of the world) is doing the prison thing ALL WRONG.
Perhaps you should move to Saudi Arabia or Iran - I think your ideas on penal conditions would go down well there.
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Mc Gyver
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.07.07 12:28:00 -
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Edited by: Mc Gyver on 07/07/2009 12:30:48
Quote: Perhaps you should move to Saudi Arabia or Iran - I think your ideas on penal conditions would go down well there
I cannot respect the lack of freedom those governments provide their citizens, but yes, I can respect the way they treat criminals.
Since when is 12 hours of hard work torture? There are many people in the USA who work that hard to support their families, and our government is taking their money so prisoners can have their emo-land? That is just totally wrong and backwards.
Face facts, the liberal rehabilitation methods employed in today's criminal institutions do not work, it's a failure, time to make a change. They are a waste of time & resources.
Quote: How then do you punish people that commit the most serious crimes in society?
Uhm, I think I pretty much said kill them...
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Tallaran Kouros
Caldari Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.07.07 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Mc Gyver
Since when is 12 hours of hard work torture?
That's not what you said though:
"Prison should be a hell hole, 12 hour shifts of the hardest manual labor you can impose on a human body without killing the person"
12 hours is hard work is quite different to 12 hours of working someone until they are almost ready to drop dead.
There is a difference.
Quote: There are many people in the USA who work that hard to support their families, and our government is taking their money so prisoners can have their emo-land? That is just totally wrong and backwards.
How many people in the US work so hard that they are nearly dead when they clock off for the day?
Very few I'll wager.
Quote: Uhm, I think I pretty much said kill them...
I know you did, but I then asked you how do you handle serious offenders when you don't believe in individual or state-sanctioned murder - which you haven't answered.
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Mc Gyver
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.07.07 13:48:00 -
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Quote: I know you did, but I then asked you how do you handle serious offenders when you don't believe in individual or state-sanctioned murder - which you haven't answered.
I don't really follow you there.
I'm saying, anyone who now gets the death penalty, go ahead and lump in the life in prison without parole ppl as well. I don't know where you're getting that I don't believe in state-sanctioned murder, if that's what you're reffering to capital punishment as.
Yes, some ppl do work so hard they destroy their bodies and eventually die. I'm not advocating torture, I'm advocating hard work, like the ppl who built this country used to do.
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Tallaran Kouros
Caldari Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.07.07 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: Mc Gyver [I don't know where you're getting that I don't believe in state-sanctioned murder, if that's what you're reffering to capital punishment as.
That's "you" in the second person, plural form - not you the reader.
I'm aware that you believe in capital punishment, but I'm asking what should be done in countries where this is not an option or where the majority are opposed to it.
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Mc Gyver
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.07.07 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Tallaran Kouros
Originally by: Mc Gyver [I don't know where you're getting that I don't believe in state-sanctioned murder, if that's what you're reffering to capital punishment as.
That's "you" in the second person, plural form - not you the reader.
I'm aware that you believe in capital punishment, but I'm asking what should be done in countries where this is not an option or where the majority are opposed to it.
Oh, well I guess I'm only concerned about fixing the problem in my country. I think European liberalism has spread to the USA and got us into this mess (and will get us into a national health care debacle as well, thx a lot!), that is what I meant by the comment about most of the world doing it the wrong way.
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Ratchman
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Posted - 2009.07.07 14:36:00 -
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It is the Daily Mail. Take it with a huge pinch of salt.
They're the ones who started the old 'EU trying to straighten our cucumbers' panic. Even Richard Littlejohn stated "you couldn't make it up". Unfortunately, it was proved afterwards that it was just a big load of bum gravy.
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Drunk Driver
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.07.07 17:20:00 -
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Cannibal serial killers need love and understanding, not prison!
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