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budlight12
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.21 03:29:00 -
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well i have gone though a few forums here and found that a hand full of players that dare to speak there minds and then got trolled or even talking about something else and got trolled
well i know that i not taking sides but still is the goal to run players off this game or what |
Evelyn Meiyi
Meiyi Family Holdings
2
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Posted - 2012.05.21 04:00:00 -
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budlight12 wrote:well i have gone though a few forums here and found that a hand full of players that dare to speak there minds and then got trolled or even talking about something else and got trolled
well i know that i not taking sides but still is the goal to run players off this game or what
What 'game' are you speaking of? Forgive me for saying so, but you sound a bit.....unbalanced.
((This is an in-character forum; you want the General Discussion forum for this sort of thing. It's up thataway ^^ )) |
budlight12
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.21 05:25:00 -
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Evelyn Meiyi wrote:budlight12 wrote:well i have gone though a few forums here and found that a hand full of players that dare to speak there minds and then got trolled or even talking about something else and got trolled
well i know that i not taking sides but still is the goal to run players off this game or what What 'game' are you speaking of? Forgive me for saying so, but you sound a bit.....unbalanced. ((This is an in-character forum; you want the General Discussion forum for this sort of thing. It's up thataway ^^ ))
i am not unstable, i am just trying to find out why/who/what. i feel that some players get bashed for speaking out but others seem to have free reign in the game i am not saying any names but really i see no middle ground and this site has more trolls then then i have ever seen. |
Aquila Shadow
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
12
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Posted - 2012.05.21 05:35:00 -
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((Your in the wrong forum, this is for 'in character' talk. Also, this is Eve if you speek your mind be prepared to be trolled into the dirt.)) |
budlight12
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.21 05:38:00 -
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Aquila Shadow wrote:((Your in the wrong forum, this is for 'in character' talk. Also, this is Eve if you speek your mind be prepared to be trolled into the dirt.)) well it can be expected on s site like this and what thread is the right one or is there a right one |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
513
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Posted - 2012.05.21 06:06:00 -
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budlight12 wrote:Aquila Shadow wrote:((Your in the wrong forum, this is for 'in character' talk. Also, this is Eve if you speek your mind be prepared to be trolled into the dirt.)) well it can be expected on s site like this and what thread is the right one or is there a right one
(( https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=258 )) |
Rikanin
Wargasm Inc
18
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Posted - 2012.05.21 17:52:00 -
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Yeah because the trolls here couldn't keep their mouths shut if their lives depended on it and unfortunately for the rest of us...it doesn't.
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Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
86
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Posted - 2012.05.21 17:53:00 -
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Just don't say anything bad about the Goons or the mittani and you'll be just fine. Sigh. It gets old. Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
AFK Hauler
State War Academy Caldari State
88
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Posted - 2012.05.21 17:54:00 -
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You just had to say something didn't you.... |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
86
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Posted - 2012.05.21 17:56:00 -
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AFK Hauler wrote:You just had to say something didn't you....
....as well. We can go in circles ! Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1219
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Posted - 2012.05.21 17:56:00 -
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budlight12 wrote:well i have gone though a few forums here and found that a hand full of players that dare to speak there minds and then got trolled or even talking about something else and got trolled
well i know that i not taking sides but still is the goal to run players off this game or what
first time to a video game forum is it?
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Whadafool
Perkone Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2012.05.21 17:56:00 -
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i expect this thread to draw them in like magnets
unfortunately trolls are the most vocal creatures, their responses always stick in your mind and overshadow any other posters
which is a shame as all they are is attention whores Free EvE wallpapers
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=110114 |
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.05.21 17:57:00 -
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Freedom of speech is for pussies. Now STFU, I hate you. |
Kiandoshia
Gnampf Inc.
73
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Posted - 2012.05.21 17:57:00 -
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This is the internet, everyone gets trolled.. you wanna speak your opinion about something, go outside and talk to actual people. If you wanna talk about a video game, talk to someone who is interested in it as well or just stop giving a crap. It wont change anything anyways. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6952
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:00:00 -
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SoGǪ you should be able to speak your mind, but they shouldn't be able to speak their mind in opposition? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Shift-click does nothing GÇö why the Unified Inventory isn't ready for primetime. |
Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
764
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:01:00 -
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If you ask a question or put forward something of interest you will be taken seriously
If you are just a whining ***** or someone who wants the game changed for there own benefit then you are fair game and will be taken apart by the trolls
Also this is EVE we take no prisoners and eat our wounded. Why should you get an easy ride of things?
Trololo I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
88
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:02:00 -
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Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera wrote:Freedom of speech is for pussies. Now STFU, I hate you.
Besides that, how's life otherwise, you strange caterpillar you...... Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
176
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:02:00 -
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budlight12 wrote:well i have gone though a few forums here and found that a hand full of players that dare to speak there minds and then got trolled or even talking about something else and got trolled
well i know that i not taking sides but still is the goal to run players off this game or what
If you speak your mind in a clear and intelligent manner, there is no issue. If you come here posting like you have a 3rd grade education and start whining or complaining, then you can GTFO
On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton where the dripping patchouli was more than scent, It was a sun-á |
Ituhata Saken
Crimson Cross Destroyers
56
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:02:00 -
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AFK Hauler wrote:You just had to say something didn't you....
I never get over your carebear stare.
The way I see it, EvE is alot like current American politics. No matter what you say about the game, whether it be constructive or non-constructive criticism or just suggestions to improve the game, someone from one side of the aisle will stand up and begin a relentless assault on why you are wrong, and why you are what's wrong with the game, and belittle you. Followed by members from the other side of the aisle counter-attacking and declaring why you are right and why the other side is what's wrong with the game. Meanwhile the rest of us watch the ensuing debate with mild interest, but everyone knows at the end of the day nothing productive ever gets done and life goes on. |
Romar Agent
Ishukone Regional Headquarters
31
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:07:00 -
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Fabulousli Obvious wrote:Just don't say anything bad about the Goons or the mittani and you'll be just fine. Sigh. It gets old. I wished I could, but I still don't seem to have made it onto the fabled DeathlistGäó |
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Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
88
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:10:00 -
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Ituhata Saken wrote:AFK Hauler wrote:You just had to say something didn't you.... I never get over your carebear stare. The way I see it, EvE is alot like current American politics, etc........
And most of these dweebs learned the techniques in their Debate Teams. Never was a more worthless but damaging mechanic introduced into the American Educational system. It teaches to argue even points that one internally disagrees with without concience or candor. It's obviously quite deadly even, tbh. Deadly for our culture. But this deesrves it's own threadnaught, so enough. Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
566
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:11:00 -
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Fabulousli Obvious wrote:Just don't say anything bad about the Goons or the mittani and you'll be just fine. Sigh. It gets old.
My Madometer is off the scale with this one. |
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
70
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:13:00 -
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I'm not here to be popular. Trolls and propaganda squads are just part of the meta in EVE.
It's really the Jita effect anyway. There are only around 30 of them, they just make alot of noise. Of course if you remove them the forums go very, very dead. Much like Jita local. |
Gealbhan
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
144
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:13:00 -
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To speak your mind you have to take these into account:
Social Setting (forum you are in i.e. General).
! Forum Rules !
Your target Audiance.
Spelling, Grammar and Punctuation along with proper pargraphs to deter the grammar ****'s.
Context, context, context!
Finally, A thick skin.
Freedom of speech is not free around here, you can face in game actions from other players and these forums are not a democracy. Once you understand that, post away. |
jason hill
The Riot Formation Get Off My Lawn
87
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:14:00 -
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bring back daniel jackson ... at least there was a grain of humour in his rants |
Ginseng Jita
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
159
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:14:00 -
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Dude this is EVE. People speak their minds all the time. Expect to be trolled. Expect to be hated. Expect to be thread ganked. If people do not like what you have to say, they'll tell you. Just drop it and move on. |
NickyYo
StarHug
120
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:15:00 -
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budlight12 wrote:well i have gone though a few forums here and found that a hand full of players that dare to speak there minds and then got trolled or even talking about something else and got trolled
well i know that i not taking sides but still is the goal to run players off this game or what
That's what these forums are like, i get trolled in every thread i post, but i don't care. I just post more, it p.i.s.s.e.s them off even more and it works! (SERVICE) Need a project coding? (PHP & Javascript) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101893&find=unread |
budlight12
University of Caille Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:19:00 -
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well in some cases yes but i see the newer poster get trolled more then the older ones |
Ginseng Jita
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
159
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:20:00 -
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budlight12 wrote:well in some cases yes but i see the newer poster get trolled more then the older ones
Best way to approach this board. Hate them all back. Works for me. |
Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
464
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:23:00 -
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http://www.gametrailers.com/video/whiners-vs-pach-attack/729997
The above is a very informative link about the difference between a whiner and a complainer. After you watch it you will realize that we have an overabundance of the former, many of which have already posted in this thread. By the end of it hopefully you will see that you can have an opinion and that you can voice it constructively. Also I hope that you will learn that not everybody will necessarily agree with the opinion though that does not make it wrong, it only makes it your opinion. |
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Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:25:00 -
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WTF, you people are still talking? GTFO of here! |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
1026
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:26:00 -
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Try to not post in General Discussion if you want intelligent responses. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
88
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:27:00 -
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(crickets) (crickets) Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
budlight12
University of Caille Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:28:00 -
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well if i wanted that i would post on the MIT web site |
Savage Angel
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:30:00 -
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budlight12 wrote:well i have gone though a few forums here and found that a hand full of players that dare to speak there minds and then got trolled or even talking about something else and got trolled
well i know that i not taking sides but still is the goal to run players off this game or what
Posting a well thought out argument for something a large number of players might want will decrease your chances of getting trolled by about 2.1% or so. But it will usually generate some thoughtful responses in reply.
Speaking your mind (which usually means an emotional brain fart about getting ganked or some such) will ensure a nearly perfect troll record.
Either way, you need a fairly thick skin and the ability to ignore the chaff and find the wheat. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
822
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:34:00 -
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Savage Angel wrote:Speaking your mind (which usually means an emotional brain fart about getting ganked or some such) will ensure a nearly perfect troll record. Wait, did the OP lose a freighter to Burn Jita, or a hulk to Hulkageddon? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Leetha Layne
24
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:37:00 -
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Fabulousli Obvious wrote:Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera wrote:Freedom of speech is for pussies. Now STFU, I hate you. Besides that, how's life otherwise, you strange caterpillar you......
How can I miss you if you won't go away?
- Grouch Marx
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Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
88
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:40:00 -
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Leetha Layne wrote:Fabulousli Obvious wrote:Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera wrote:Freedom of speech is for pussies. Now STFU, I hate you. Besides that, how's life otherwise, you strange caterpillar you...... How can I miss you if you won't go away? - Grouch Marx
Gee. I've never had this much attention while trying to date even. Even Personal Hero Quotes without asking. Why, thank you. Can I have flowers next time instead ?
Maybe I should just permanently 'threaten' to 'maybe' quit, and see how that goes, what say ?? Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1219
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:42:00 -
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budlight12 wrote:well in some cases yes but i see the newer poster get trolled more then the older ones
I've seen several new player posts where what they posted about was totally uninteresting and if posted by a vet would be burned down, get lots of support and thumbs up from confirmed GD trolls
it all depends on what you say
also keep in mind that many "new players" are simply pity alts created to try and pretend that they are new customers about to unsub because of something that really happened to their main The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3888
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:47:00 -
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Ituhata Saken wrote:AFK Hauler wrote:You just had to say something didn't you.... I never get over your carebear stare. The way I see it, EvE is alot like current American politics. No matter what you say about the game, whether it be constructive or non-constructive criticism or just suggestions to improve the game, someone from one side of the aisle will stand up and begin a relentless assault on why you are wrong, and why you are what's wrong with the game, and belittle you. Followed by members from the other side of the aisle counter-attacking and declaring why you are right and why the other side is what's wrong with the game. Meanwhile the rest of us watch the ensuing debate with mild interest, but everyone knows at the end of the day nothing productive ever gets done and life goes on.
I'm not sure I entirely agree; I have a couple of threads with serious proposals for major changes in the game that are, I'd say, 90% populated by positive and constructive responses. It is possible.
However.
It is the sad truth that most OPs don't really deserve much respect in the way of positive, constructive responses. They are generally badly typed, poorly constructed, lacking insight and demonstrate an incredible level of short-term self-centeredness.
So to answer the OP's question: yes, speaking your mind is wrong when your mind is lazy, lacking in knowledge and coherence, and unwilling to adapt it's viewpoints and axioms. YMMV. TANSTAAFL. All Rights Reserved. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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Adalun Dey
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:48:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Savage Angel wrote:Speaking your mind (which usually means an emotional brain fart about getting ganked or some such) will ensure a nearly perfect troll record. Wait, did the OP lose a freighter to Burn Jita, or a hulk to Hulkageddon? Yeah, you wish! " Take my love, take my land, take me where I can not stand, I don't care, I'm still free. You can't take the sky from me. "
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
822
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:51:00 -
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Morganta wrote:also keep in mind that many "new players" are simply pity alts created to try and pretend that they are new customers about to unsub because of something that really happened to their main Now if only we could find a 4 day NPC corp alt "new player" complaining about losing their hulk ... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
764
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:52:00 -
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budlight12 wrote:well if i wanted that i would post on the MIT web site
This post is why people troll you. And you deserve everything you get.
Why does everyone claim to be a real life
1. Aspie 2. Sociopath 3. High IQ
and then get upset when people troll them to death. I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
Fredfredbug4
The Scope Gallente Federation
320
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:57:00 -
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Shhh! Your gonna get us all killed if you keep running your mouth!
Loose lips, gank spaceships! |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
1027
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:58:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:I speak my mind all the time. After a while, they get numb to your presence and find newer people to troll. Confirming. I can't even keep a thread on the front page anymore. It's sad. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:58:00 -
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Kidd's Sh+»tometer is about to explode in this thread. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1037
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Posted - 2012.05.21 19:57:00 -
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Tippia wrote:SoGǪ you should be able to speak your mind, but they shouldn't be able to speak their mind in opposition? Essentially this.
People come to the forums, they make badly articulated threads supported by data they either made up or haven't understood and then we get called trolls for calling them out on their failings.
This is a discussion forum, yet some people come here under the impression that anyone joining the discussion with a view polar to their own is some kind of troll. We aren't trolls, we are just very thorough in presenting our arguments concerning internet space ships.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
825
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Posted - 2012.05.21 20:02:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Tippia wrote:SoGǪ you should be able to speak your mind, but they shouldn't be able to speak their mind in opposition? Essentially this. People come to the forums, they make badly articulated threads supported by data they either made up or haven't understood and then we get called trolls for calling them out on their failings. This is a discussion forum, yet some people come here under the impression that anyone joining the discussion with a view polar to their own is some kind of troll. We aren't trolls, we are just very thorough in presenting our arguments concerning internet space ships. I'm a troll because I agree with people. Granted, they might be trolls themselves (or goons), but ... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
205
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Posted - 2012.05.21 20:03:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Tippia wrote:SoGǪ you should be able to speak your mind, but they shouldn't be able to speak their mind in opposition? Essentially this. People come to the forums, they make badly articulated threads supported by data they either made up or haven't understood and then we get called trolls for calling them out on their failings. This is a discussion forum, yet some people come here under the impression that anyone joining the discussion with a view polar to their own is some kind of troll. We aren't trolls, we are just very thorough in presenting our arguments concerning internet space ships.
Not agreeing with you isn't trolling. Trolls seldom have an opinion though. They simply act contrary for the sake of acting contrary. Do their best to derail and most of the time start by telling you how dumb you are, never really explaining why. EVE forums and it isn't restricted to GD in any way shape or form is full of this. Every thread in EVE is hit with a full page of one liners and snot shots with no content or substance related to the OP. Most forums you stop reading after page one because it becomes a bickering contest. EVE forums, you dont even start reading until page 2 because Page one is troll baits.
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1037
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Posted - 2012.05.21 20:15:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Tippia wrote:SoGǪ you should be able to speak your mind, but they shouldn't be able to speak their mind in opposition? Essentially this. People come to the forums, they make badly articulated threads supported by data they either made up or haven't understood and then we get called trolls for calling them out on their failings. This is a discussion forum, yet some people come here under the impression that anyone joining the discussion with a view polar to their own is some kind of troll. We aren't trolls, we are just very thorough in presenting our arguments concerning internet space ships. Not agreeing with you isn't trolling. Trolls seldom have an opinion though. They simply act contrary for the sake of acting contrary. Do their best to derail and most of the time start by telling you how dumb you are, never really explaining why. EVE forums and it isn't restricted to GD in any way shape or form is full of this. Every thread in EVE is hit with a full page of one liners and snot shots with no content or substance related to the OP. Most forums you stop reading after page one because it becomes a bickering contest. EVE forums, you dont even start reading until page 2 because Page one is troll baits. Obviously there are the genuine trolls, who just post one liners or personal attacks, but quite a few posters on here go very in depth explaining their opinions.
Tippia is a good example of this, I've seen her in a number of threads write half page replies where every point and counterpoint is supported with evidence and thoroughly thought through logical arguments. Then I see the post dismissed as trolling because it doesn't agree with the OP.
Similarly anyone ever found to be in support of ganking or violence is dismissed as a troll. The main problem for me with these forums isn't the trolling, its the people who cry troll every time they meet an argument they can't dismiss with persuasive reasoning.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
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Telegram Sam
The Drones Club
288
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:06:00 -
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When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him. -Jonathan Swift
But in forums, all the dunces can be in confederacy against a mediocre guy too.
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Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
215
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:16:00 -
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Tourette's syndrome is a **** wonderful thing. EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |
Shian Yang
188
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:18:00 -
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budlight12 wrote:well i have gone though a few forums here and found that a hand full of players that dare to speak there minds and then got trolled or even talking about something else and got trolled
well i know that i not taking sides but still is the goal to run players off this game or what
Greetings capsuleer,
No, speaking your mind is not wrong. It is a fundamental tenet of these boards. However, if you speak only idiot you should expect to be mocked, laughed at and to have your mind ridiculed.
As other capsuleers are also speaking their minds.
Regards,
Shian Yang |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
840
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:22:00 -
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Shian Yang wrote:budlight12 wrote:well i have gone though a few forums here and found that a hand full of players that dare to speak there minds and then got trolled or even talking about something else and got trolled
well i know that i not taking sides but still is the goal to run players off this game or what Greetings capsuleer, No, speaking your mind is not wrong. It is a fundamental tenet of these boards. However, if you speak only idiot you should expect to be mocked, laughed at and to have your mind ridiculed. As other capsuleers are also speaking their minds. Regards, Shian Yang Granted, the forums are mostly idiot, so there you have it... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Ituhata Saken
Crimson Cross Destroyers
58
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:37:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:*snip* I said some stuff I'm not sure I entirely agree; I have a couple of threads with serious proposals for major changes in the game that are, I'd say, 90% populated by positive and constructive responses. It is possible. However. It is the sad truth that most OPs don't really deserve much respect in the way of positive, constructive responses. They are generally badly typed, poorly constructed, lacking insight and demonstrate an incredible level of short-term self-centeredness. So to answer the OP's question: yes, speaking your mind is wrong when your mind is lazy, lacking in knowledge and coherence, and unwilling to adapt it's viewpoints and axioms. YMMV. TANSTAAFL. All Rights Reserved.
I suppose I should have refined my scope to EvE General Discussion. I rarely if ever roam outside its borders.
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Pok Nibin
Viziam Amarr Empire
174
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Posted - 2012.05.21 22:20:00 -
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Let's say you see a fat, old lady wobbling up the street. You think to yourself, "Hey. There's a fat, old lady wobbling up the street." Then, you shout, "Hey! Fat old lady wobbling up the street!" That'd be wrong.
Let's say you see a post criticizing the arbitrary and short-sighted way a particular (nameless) forum is being moderated by a handful of rank amateurs who succeed in only curbing freedom of speech, but are in no way organizing or managing the threads. And, this post is locked with an admonition to the poster to "Watch out what you say about how we moderate this forum!" So, you post in this forum (unamed), "Hey! The way you moderate this forum sucks!" That, too, would be wrong.
On the other hand, observing how the wind blows in a particular community (unamed) you pucker up and post something like, "Goons? They're great! I'm not against Goons!" (In hopes they leave you off their Shoot On Sight list,) THAT would be a good thing. It would be perfectly RIGHT!
(How'm I doin'?) Don't fight it.-á Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs.-á You know you want to. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
843
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Posted - 2012.05.21 22:26:00 -
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Pok Nibin wrote:On the other hand, observing how the wind blows in a particular community (unamed) you pucker up and post something like, "Goons? They're great! I'm not against Goons!" (In hopes they leave you off their Shoot On Sight list,) THAT would be a good thing. It would be perfectly RIGHT! Use a forums alt, rage at goons all day. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Pok Nibin
Viziam Amarr Empire
174
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Posted - 2012.05.21 22:28:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Pok Nibin wrote:On the other hand, observing how the wind blows in a particular community (unamed) you pucker up and post something like, "Goons? They're great! I'm not against Goons!" (In hopes they leave you off their Shoot On Sight list,) THAT would be a good thing. It would be perfectly RIGHT! Use a forums alt, rage at goons all day. Oh that you were worth the bandwidth. (You can't tell when you're the BUTT of a joke? Thot not.) Don't fight it.-á Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs.-á You know you want to. |
bongsmoke
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.05.21 22:41:00 -
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budlight12 wrote:well i have gone though a few forums here and found that a hand full of players that dare to speak there minds and then got trolled or even talking about something else and got trolled
well i know that i not taking sides but still is the goal to run players off this game or what
Its all personal perception. You need thick skin to deal with some of the peeps here. If you post on your main, i would be somewhat tame in what you say, use an alt to post (not in your corp).
Never be afraid to ask questions, many will be willing to help you out, regardless of trolls. |
Jame Jarl Retief
Corps Diplomatique Terrestrienne
92
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Posted - 2012.05.21 22:52:00 -
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budlight12 wrote:well i have gone though a few forums here and found that a hand full of players that dare to speak there minds and then got trolled or even talking about something else and got trolled
well i know that i not taking sides but still is the goal to run players off this game or what
As a general rule, on any forum, speaking your mind is perfectly OK...as long as what you say doesn't conflict in any way with the "accepted" vision of things.
For example, if you were to say "EVE is hard", you would get none or very few people arguing otherwise. If you said EVE in some ways is easier than WoW, because even WoW doesn't have local on PvP servers, you'll be smacked topside the head so friggin' hard, within seconds you'll find you've been hammered into the ground up to your ears. Even if what you said is perfectly true.
Same goes for literally every forum out there. The moment you say something that goes contrary to the belief of the vocal minority, you'll get trolled to death. And depending on the moderators, even suspended or banned. Like when I was playing Darkfall, and presented some accurate observations about the state of the game...BAM...one month suspension. Even though what I said was absolutely 100% accurate, it wasn't an opinion, just hard verifiable facts.
It's perfectly normal. And you do have a choice. You can speak your piece and then get trolled/eat a suspension, or you can nod along like everyone else, or you can quit. It's up to you. But speaking from the high pedestal of advanced age, I can tell you none of this matters one iota. In 10 years, nobody is going to give a flying gak about any of this, including you. |
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Rath Kelbore
Spaceship Hooligan Productions
196
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Posted - 2012.05.21 23:00:00 -
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budlight12 wrote:well i have gone though a few forums here and found that a hand full of players that dare to speak there minds and then got trolled or even talking about something else and got trolled
well i know that i not taking sides but still is the goal to run players off this game or what
Sometimes it is wrong. In your case, leaning towards yes.
I plan on living forever.......so far, so good. |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
198
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Posted - 2012.05.21 23:11:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:If you ask a question or put forward something of interest you will be taken seriously
If you are just a whining ***** or someone who wants the game changed for there own benefit then you are fair game and will be taken apart by the trolls
Also this is EVE we take no prisoners and eat our wounded. Why should you get an easy ride of things?
Trololo
You are a funny guy. You meant to say as long as you suggest something that benefits Null Bears you will be taken seriously?
Why yes.
The level of verbal abuse I need to dish out to the Null Bear to get him to semi-shutup and allow discussion of core problems is quite impressive. Most people aren't really willing to be that hostile.
I find it easy cause Goons are worthless cowards hiding behind Blobs and Local. |
Shian Yang
188
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Posted - 2012.05.21 23:36:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Karn Dulake wrote:If you ask a question or put forward something of interest you will be taken seriously
If you are just a whining ***** or someone who wants the game changed for there own benefit then you are fair game and will be taken apart by the trolls
Also this is EVE we take no prisoners and eat our wounded. Why should you get an easy ride of things?
Trololo You are a funny guy. You meant to say as long as you suggest something that benefits Null Bears you will be taken seriously? Why yes. The level of verbal abuse I need to dish out to the Null Bear to get him to semi-shutup and allow discussion of core problems is quite impressive. Most people aren't really willing to be that hostile. I find it easy cause Goons are worthless cowards hiding behind Blobs and Local.
Greetings capsuleer Tassik,
I do not believe capsuleer Dulake said what you say he did. Anyone that understands New Eden and can form a cohesive point will be taken seriously.
If, however, your modus operandi is to rant, rave and make various spurious allegations *coughs* then yes, you are unlikely to be taken seriously.
Regards,
Shian Yang |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
1036
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Posted - 2012.05.21 23:38:00 -
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Shian Yang wrote: Greetings capsuleer Tassik,
I do not believe capsuleer Dulake said what you say he did. Anyone that understands New Eden and can form a cohesive point will be taken seriously.
If, however, your modus operandi is to rant, rave and make various spurious allegations *coughs* then yes, you are unlikely to be taken seriously.
Regards,
Shian Yang
NO; YOUR AN GOON!! Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Shian Yang
189
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Posted - 2012.05.21 23:44:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:NO; YOUR AN GOON!!
By Jarek! If I am accused of this once more I am tempted seek out their awful home and sit through their initiation rites just to put truth to those words.
Regards,
Shian Yang |
Ten Bulls
Sons of Olsagard
133
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Posted - 2012.05.21 23:45:00 -
[66] - Quote
Tippia wrote:SoGǪ you should be able to speak your mind, but they shouldn't be able to speak their mind in opposition?
Suggest to avoid trolling, only speak oppositions mind !!! |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2012.05.22 00:18:00 -
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Ten Bulls wrote:Tippia wrote:SoGǪ you should be able to speak your mind, but they shouldn't be able to speak their mind in opposition? Suggest to avoid trolling, only speak oppositions mind !!!
Isn't some sort of psychology dysfunction if you speak to your own mind?
/thread |
bongsmoke
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.05.22 00:22:00 -
[68] - Quote
Shian Yang wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:NO; YOUR AN GOON!! By Jarek! If I am accused of this once more I am tempted seek out their awful home and sit through their initiation rites just to put truth to those words. Regards, Shian Yang Hi there, i am the leader of goons. I need you to send me your full api key, 500million isk, and we will review your application, and let you know later next month. |
Shian Yang
189
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Posted - 2012.05.22 00:27:00 -
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bongsmoke wrote:Hi there, i am the leader of goons. I need you to send me your full api key, 500million isk, and we will review your application, and let you know later next month.
Greetings ignoble cur,
I have not yet met a member of the Goonswarm Federation who lacked the courage to declare their allegiance. And as anyone with the wits to run a cursory search across the Interstellar database knows, the Goonswarm Federation has a very specific initiation rite that has nothing to do with ISK.
With auto-cannon love,
Shian Yang
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bongsmoke
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.05.22 00:42:00 -
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Shian Yang wrote:bongsmoke wrote:Hi there, i am the leader of goons. I need you to send me your full api key, 500million isk, and we will review your application, and let you know later next month. Greetings ignoble cur, I have not yet met a member of the Goonswarm Federation who lacked the courage to declare their allegiance. And as anyone with the wits to run a cursory search across the Interstellar database knows, the Goonswarm Federation has a very specific initiation rite that has nothing to do with ISK. With auto-cannon love, Shian Yang
Glad i wont see you on the forums crying about being scammed. Good for you and best wishes. |
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Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.05.22 03:22:00 -
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budlight12 wrote:well i have gone though a few forums here and found that a hand full of players that dare to speak there minds and then got trolled or even talking about something else and got trolled
well i know that i not taking sides but still is the goal to run players off this game or what
Speaking your mind is only wrong when you love bud light. Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |
Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.05.22 03:24:00 -
[72] - Quote
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Ten Bulls wrote:Tippia wrote:SoGǪ you should be able to speak your mind, but they shouldn't be able to speak their mind in opposition? Suggest to avoid trolling, only speak oppositions mind !!! Isn't some sort of psychology dysfunction if you speak to your own mind? /thread
On the contrary, the most important discoveries, both personal and collective, have been made while speaking to ones' self. Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |
Jonah Gravenstein
319
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Posted - 2012.05.22 03:38:00 -
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Speaking your mind requires you to actually have one.
If you write well researched and thought out posts, without resorting to walls of text, people tend to be a tad more polite in disagreeing with you. If however you write posts that read like you basically bounced your forehead off the keyboard a few time or deliberately set out to be an arse you will get shot down faster than an untanked hauler full of PLEX in Jita.
The true trolls either work for CCP, looks at CCP Guard and Punkturis (love you guys) or hide behind well written posts so that you never actually realise that you've been trolled.
@Zhihatsu love your sig but the numbers are too damn big to get my head around , it gets even worse when you use cubic parsecs War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1227
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Posted - 2012.05.22 03:53:00 -
[74] - Quote
Shian Yang wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:NO; YOUR AN GOON!! By Jarek! If I am accused of this once more I am tempted seek out their awful home and sit through their initiation rites just to put truth to those words. Regards, Shian Yang
you mean paying 10 bucks to join SA?
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Ehnea Mehk
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2012.05.22 04:59:00 -
[75] - Quote
budlight12 wrote:well i have gone though a few forums here and found that a hand full of players that dare to speak there minds and then got trolled or even talking about something else and got trolled
well i know that i not taking sides but still is the goal to run players off this game or what
It is not wrong to speak your mind. It can, however, lead to your keyster getting WARDEC'd.
Having your own blog to do just that does not offer immunity. Trust me on this one, I know....
Ehnea [url]http://odatrik.guildportal.com[/url] |
Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
41
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Posted - 2012.05.22 05:09:00 -
[76] - Quote
Ehnea Mehk wrote:budlight12 wrote:well i have gone though a few forums here and found that a hand full of players that dare to speak there minds and then got trolled or even talking about something else and got trolled
well i know that i not taking sides but still is the goal to run players off this game or what It is not wrong to speak your mind. It can, however, lead to your keyster getting WARDEC'd. Trust me on this one, I know....Ehnea
Its keister. Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |
Ehnea Mehk
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2012.05.22 05:15:00 -
[77] - Quote
Zhihatsu wrote: Its keister.
Corrected with a groan of exasperation.
Ehnea [url]http://odatrik.guildportal.com[/url] |
Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
748
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Posted - 2012.05.22 05:51:00 -
[78] - Quote
budlight12 wrote:well i have gone though a few forums here and found that a hand full of players that dare to speak there minds and then got trolled or even talking about something else and got trolled
well i know that i not taking sides but still is the goal to run players off this game or what
I think you are scooter Kondur.
Or then just like him- can't write, can't think.
In the beginning high security space was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move. |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
108
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Posted - 2012.05.22 08:13:00 -
[79] - Quote
Ah... but those people "trolling" are also speaking their minds as well, so what's the difference? ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o )
The world would be a better place if boobies ran the world instead of boobs. |
FluffyDice
StarFckers Inc.
194
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Posted - 2012.05.22 09:37:00 -
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There's nothing wrong with speaking your mind. You are just likely to be told you are an idiot if you happen to be one. |
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