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Caelum Dominus Invicta.	Posted - 2009.07.07 11:51:00 - [1] Edited by: Caelum Dominus on 07/07/2009 11:52:46 ... or, well, I should have. This is the 3rd time this week that I have been on the brink of losing my slaves. The logs state "You are in warp", yet my pod continues to sit around. I am locked and lucky to remain unscrambled as the the enemy pilot mistakes a drone for my pod and starts beating on that instead. I trust CCP's logs would show nothing and that they would blatantly refuse to refund the loss of 2bn worth of implants? Fraps (28mb).
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.07.07 11:53:00 - [2] Originally by: Caelum Dominus Edited by: Caelum Dominus on 07/07/2009 11:51:58 ... or, well, I should have. This is the 3rd time this week that I have been on the brink of losing my slaves. The logs state "You are in warp", yet my pod continues to sit around. I am locked and lucky to remain unscrambled as the the enemy pilot mistakes a drone for my pod and starts beating on that instead. I trust CCP's logs would show nothing and that they would blatantly refuse to refund the loss of 2bn worth of implants? Fraps (28mb). They dont refund lag related losses so they wouldnt bother with no logs :) _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
Ralara Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.07.07 11:54:00 - [3] Originally by: Blane Xero They dont refund lag related losses so they wouldnt bother with no logs :) ^^ --
Wai Ng'Tse	Posted - 2009.07.07 11:54:00 - [4] Well you didn't lose them! Don't moan...
Caelum Dominus Invicta.	Posted - 2009.07.07 11:55:00 - [5] Originally by: Wai Ng'Tse Well you didn't lose them! Don't moan... I will. Rest assured, I will. The scenario will be the same.
Caelum Dominus Invicta.	Posted - 2009.07.07 11:57:00 - [6] Edited by: Caelum Dominus on 07/07/2009 11:57:04 Originally by: Blane Xero They dont refund lag related losses so they wouldnt bother with no logs :) You eliminate any client-server lag by spamming "warp to" even before your ship explodes, as demonstrated in the video file I attached. Yet, that doesn't always seem to do the trick for whatever reason I am sure nobody (that includes CCP) knows.
Ralara Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.07.07 11:57:00 - [7] Originally by: Caelum Dominus Originally by: Wai Ng'Tse Well you didn't lose them! Don't moan... I will. Rest assured, I will. The scenario will be the same. Don't lose your ship then? I don't know what to say However lag-related losses are not part of the reimbursement policy so they wont get returned to you. --
Caelum Dominus Invicta.	Posted - 2009.07.07 12:00:00 - [8] Edited by: Caelum Dominus on 07/07/2009 12:00:45 Originally by: Ralara However lag-related losses are not part of the reimbursement policy so they wont get returned to you. That makes a lot of sense in a game where lag is so predominant that people base their strategies around it. Oh wait.
Tiny Tove	Posted - 2009.07.07 12:02:00 - [9] Why can't you accept poor software performance like the above posters enjoy so much? You should be thankful that Prima Donna programmers are out there making shiny 3d graphics and are actually above dealing with any legacy problems. I mean, it's not them who wrote those bugs, so why should THEY fix those bugs. Do you know how good "bug fixing" looks on a programmers CV? Not very good let me assure you. The only thing that looks good is an abbreviation. And BF doesn't count, because nobody knows what it is.
Caelum Dominus Invicta.	Posted - 2009.07.07 12:04:00 - [10] Originally by: Tiny Tove Why can't you accept poor software performance like the above posters enjoy so much? You should be thankful that Prima Donna programmers are out there making shiny 3d graphics and are actually above dealing with any legacy problems. I mean, it's not them who wrote those bugs, so why should THEY fix those bugs. Do you know how good "bug fixing" looks on a programmers CV? Not very good let me assure you. The only thing that looks good is an abbreviation. And BF doesn't count, because nobody knows what it is. I bet walking in stations would look nice. -.-
Sharp Feather Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2009.07.07 12:18:00 - [11] Why dont you use an implant less jump clone you moron? ================================================= Before: Developers loved games and made money. Now: Developers love money and make games.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.07.07 12:19:00 - [12] Originally by: Sharp Feather Why dont you use an implant less jump clone you moron? Because he paid for those implants with his cold-hard isk and wants the rest of us to know about it of course. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.07.07 12:19:00 - [13] You can't lose them to CCP as they own them to begin with. -------- Ideas for: Mining
Tippia Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.07.07 12:33:00 - [14] I agree. CCP needs to solve the internet. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
slightly sillydude	Posted - 2009.07.07 12:39:00 - [15] I've lost many an implant because I try to jump through a gate and my pod just sits there telling me session change in progress.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.07.07 12:49:00 - [16] Grats to the OP for ensuring his pod will be primary.
Arvald Caldari Letiferi Praedones	Posted - 2009.07.07 12:59:00 - [17] Dammit ccp, WHY AREN'T YOU FIXING THE INTERNET and subsequently the infrastructure for the internet in every country and every single isp on the planet, lazy bastards Its just not a normal day till Arvald has yelled at someone
Caelum Dominus Invicta.	Posted - 2009.07.07 13:02:00 - [18] Edited by: Caelum Dominus on 07/07/2009 13:06:29 It couldn't be more obvious that Tippia and Arvald lack rudimentary technical knowledge. Quote: Why dont you use an implant less jump clone you moron? That's a great idea, because slaves are really useful when they're not plugged in.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.07.07 13:03:00 - [19] Originally by: Caelum Dominus It couldn't be more obvious that the above 5 posters lack rudimentary technical knowledge. Ehh... What? _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
Caelum Dominus Invicta.	Posted - 2009.07.07 13:04:00 - [20] Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: Caelum Dominus It couldn't be more obvious that the above 5 posters lack rudimentary technical knowledge. Ehh... What? Yes.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.07.07 13:05:00 - [21] Originally by: Caelum Dominus Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: Caelum Dominus It couldn't be more obvious that the above 5 posters lack rudimentary technical knowledge. Ehh... What? Yes. 42? _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
Caelum Dominus Invicta.	Posted - 2009.07.07 13:05:00 - [22] Originally by: Blane Xero 42? Correct sir.
Tippia Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.07.07 13:09:00 - [23] Originally by: Caelum Dominus It couldn't be more obvious that Tippia and Arvald lack rudimentary technical knowledge. It couldn't be more obvious that I understand your (non-existing) problem and you do not. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Caelum Dominus Invicta.	Posted - 2009.07.07 13:10:00 - [24] Edited by: Caelum Dominus on 07/07/2009 13:11:38 Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Caelum Dominus It couldn't be more obvious that Tippia and Arvald lack rudimentary technical knowledge. It couldn't be more obvious that I understand your (non-existing) problem and you do not. I am sure you do. Please elaborate. While you're at it, why don't you explain how desyncs, minutes worth of module activation and endless "entering ship" cycles are also due to the client's internet connection and has nothing to do with CCP? Entertain us.
Tippia Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.07.07 13:19:00 - [25] Originally by: Caelum Dominus I am sure you do. Please elaborate. While you're at it, why don't you explain how desyncs, minutes worth of module activation and endless "entering ship" cycles are also due to the client's internet connection and has nothing to do with CCP? 1. Which internet connection? 2. That's pretty much the definition of desync. 3. Explain, if you like, how come you trust one thing the client is telling you and not another (in this case, lock-ons vs. the "you are in warp" message)? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Caelum Dominus Invicta.	Posted - 2009.07.07 13:29:00 - [26] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Caelum Dominus I am sure you do. Please elaborate. While you're at it, why don't you explain how desyncs, minutes worth of module activation and endless "entering ship" cycles are also due to the client's internet connection and has nothing to do with CCP? 1. Which internet connection? 2. That's pretty much the definition of desync. 3. Explain, if you like, how come you trust one thing the client is telling you and not another (in this case, lock-ons vs. the "you are in warp" message)? 1. I am of course referring to the internet connection between a completely random computer in Bangladesh and an alien spacestation in orbit around Mars. What network connection do you think I am referring to, exactly? (hint: it's the one between my computer and the game servers) 2. You got me. You're probably right about the desync. I am sure we can both agree that the other problems I described (and a slew of others) are generated on CCP's end, however. 3. I trust one thing over another because one of them means I didn't just lose 2bn worth of implants. On a more serious note, I find it very confusing that the game servers are able to inform me that I am locked, yet seem unwilling to obey my command sent seconds earlier.
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2009.07.07 13:37:00 - [27] Originally by: Caelum Dominus I trust CCP's logs would show nothing and that they would blatantly refuse to refund the loss of 2bn worth of implants? This almost takes the form of a question. Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
ObiTwo Kinobi	Posted - 2009.07.07 13:44:00 - [28] Sadly this issue has been raised numerous times, and the same two parties are involved in the debate. A. The ones who are tired of the lack of response on the warp/dock/gate ect. B. The ones who deny there is any such thing and to suggest to the OP 1. QQ moar 2. Find another game to play. 3. Don't play in lowsec 0.0. Yet these B types are also the ones down in the "FW lag" thread where they are banging there heads against the wall wondering why desync is destroying this game aspect, and how much a failure it is. Shrugs
Caelum Dominus Invicta.	Posted - 2009.07.07 13:45:00 - [29] Originally by: Malcanis Grats to the OP for ensuring his pod will be primary. Sorry buddy, not everyone's idea of fun is to inflict financial loss on the other party. Some of us enjoy facing great odds and exercising our ability to turn them. Then again, perhaps that holds true in the case of you and a pod.
Tippia Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.07.07 13:57:00 - [30] Originally by: Caelum Dominus 1. I am of course referring to the internet connection between a completely random computer in Bangladesh and an alien spacestation in orbit around Mars. What network connection do you think I am referring to, exactly? (hint: it's the one between my computer and the game servers) In other words, you are asking them to fix the internet (which, btw, includes random computers—or at least routers—in Bangladesh and quite a few Martians as well, I'm sure…). That's just it: there's more to it than your end and their end; any number of things can be flaky inbetween. Quote: I find it very confusing that the game servers are able to inform me that I am locked, yet seem unwilling to obey my command sent seconds earlier. Entirely depends what's included in the "informing" and "obeying" parts. We're also talking about two different directions here and two completely different frames of reference: on the one hand downstream is working, and the server is obviously alive, but your upstream is clogged (and it could be at any conceivable point), so nothing you try works. On the other hand, your upstream seems to be working just fine since you obviously got away, but your downstream is clogged (and it could be at any conceivable point) so you see nothing of what the server is trying to tell you. Either way, you can't trust what the client is telling you. You can only trust the results: you got away. You don't know which of your command spams had that effect, and where the delay was (was it your client showing you warp off or the server receiving the commands—the fact that you've consistently been lucky the three times this has happened to you seems to suggest that the problem isn't with the latter…). You need to start exploding before you can rule out the various possibilities. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Caelum Dominus Invicta.	Posted - 2009.07.07 14:07:00 - [31] Edited by: Caelum Dominus on 07/07/2009 14:10:23 Originally by: Tippia [curiously clever response from someone I suspected to lack technical knowledge] You make a good point. You can trust what the client is telling you, however, because it doesn't seem to animate anything that hasn't been cleared by the server first. If it did, my pod wouldn't sit around while I had been spamming warp for 3 seconds. I'd find myself AUs away, completely unaware of the fact that the server was still under the impression that I was being locked.
VoiceInTheDesert Inroads	Posted - 2009.07.07 14:22:00 - [32] Originally by: Tiny Tove Why can't you accept poor software performance like the above posters enjoy so much? You should be thankful that Prima Donna programmers are out there making shiny 3d graphics and are actually above dealing with any legacy problems. I mean, it's not them who wrote those bugs, so why should THEY fix those bugs. Do you know how good "bug fixing" looks on a programmers CV? Not very good let me assure you. The only thing that looks good is an abbreviation. And BF doesn't count, because nobody knows what it is. Confirming that lag is a "bug" that ccp is just too lazy to fix and that 3-d graphics are designed by the same people who deal with the server latency/function. To the OP, get a better internet connection. Or a better computer. Or both. Problem solved.
Caelum Dominus Invicta.	Posted - 2009.07.07 14:25:00 - [33] Originally by: VoiceInTheDesert Confirming that lag is a "bug" that ccp is just too lazy to fix and that 3-d graphics are designed by the same people who deal with the server latency/function. To the OP, get a better internet connection. Or a better computer. Or both. Problem solved. Clueless.
Tiny Tove	Posted - 2009.07.07 14:29:00 - [34] Originally by: VoiceInTheDesert Confirming that lag is a "bug" that ccp is just too lazy to fix and that 3-d graphics are designed by the same people who deal with the server latency/function. To the OP, get a better internet connection. Or a better computer. Or both. Problem solved. Clueless.
Sharp Feather Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2009.07.07 14:32:00 - [35] Edited by: Sharp Feather on 07/07/2009 14:34:20 Edited by: Sharp Feather on 07/07/2009 14:33:33 OP is dumb. There has always been lag in video games, there will always be, whatever game you play with whatever connection you have. Be glad the server can handle 40 000 people at the same time and be glad that you can fight 100 vs 100 without that much lag compared to a lot of game that try to do that. Whinning for the sake of whinning. You didnt even lost a thing. Just PVP without implants and there you go, you can get podded infinetly without any consequence. Go to sleep now. Under your bridge or something. ================================================= Before: Developers loved games and made money. Now: Developers love money and make games.
Caelum Dominus Invicta.	Posted - 2009.07.07 14:37:00 - [36] Edited by: Caelum Dominus on 07/07/2009 14:39:17 Originally by: Sharp Feather OP is dumb [...] Go to sleep now. Under your bridge or something. My brain hurts. Please go away.
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.07.07 14:39:00 - [37] Meh. You should change the title to include the word nearly. As it is thread fails to deliver.
Tiny Tove	Posted - 2009.07.07 14:43:00 - [38] Originally by: Caelum Dominus Edited by: Caelum Dominus on 07/07/2009 14:39:17 Originally by: Sharp Feather OP is dumb [...] Go to sleep now. Under your bridge or something. My brain hurts. Please go away. JUST ACCEPT MEDIOCRITY WITHOUT QUESTION! PAY PAY PAY!
Dala Kya	Posted - 2009.07.07 15:03:00 - [39] Man what are you talkin'about? That little scratch on your pod's shield? That's normal, happens all the time.
Grez Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.07.07 15:03:00 - [40] Edited by: Grez on 07/07/2009 15:03:45 ITT: People who live as far away from London as possible complaining about lag from the servers based in London. Or... ITT: People with **ty connections complaining about the quality of their connection to the servers. Or... ITT: People who can't stop downloading their donkey torrent whilst they play EVE. Take your pick. In a nut shell though, ITT: People with no clue complaining. --- Grez: I shot the sheriff Kalazar: But I could not lock the Deputy BECAUSE OF FALCON**
Caelum Dominus Invicta.	Posted - 2009.07.07 15:06:00 - [41] Edited by: Caelum Dominus on 07/07/2009 15:06:43 EDIT: Ah, whatever. This is a waste of time.
Spurty Caldari Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2009.07.07 15:14:00 - [42] I lose x2 +3s all the time just like that !! Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails hi cat here i was thinking earlier about corpses...
Tiny Tove	Posted - 2009.07.07 15:19:00 - [43] Edited by: Tiny Tove on 07/07/2009 15:19:30 Originally by: Caelum Dominus Edited by: Caelum Dominus on 07/07/2009 15:06:43 EDIT: Ah, whatever. This is a waste of time. I agree with that too. Adapt. I vowed never to buy a particular ship again if I lost one of them due to a bug. But I've adapted. I vowed never to buy an Ishtar again because a bug got it Concorded. Now I have figured out what that bug is, AND the bug report came back as "non repeatable", I just keep on repeating that bug and taking their stuff UNTIL I've killed an Ishtar with it, at which point I am going to put Ishtars back on my shopping list. And I'll probably continue repeating the non repeatable bug too. The irony is, the bug repeating team probably have one of those "no lag" internet connections which might explain why they can't repeat it.
Lorieen AQ Militis Seprentia	Posted - 2009.07.07 15:31:00 - [44] I have been playing online games for around 12 yrs now and there has always been lag and descync of some kind in all of them at some point... welcome to online gaming.
Lubomir Penev Dark Nexxus	Posted - 2009.07.07 16:03:00 - [45] Originally by: Caelum Dominus Edited by: Caelum Dominus on 07/07/2009 13:08:39 Quote: I've lost many an implant because I try to jump through a gate and my pod just sits there telling me session change in progress. Contrary to the scenario I describe, that would be your own fault. When you enter your pod, you initiate the 30 second session change and cannot board ships, dock or jump through gates for the duration. Nice theory. Sometime you can jump thru, happened to me running back to a gate, ships pop as it reaches jump range and pod jumps instantly. Bugs works both way (no I didn't petition not losing my pod ) -- 081014 : emoragequit, char transfered to a friend, 090317 : back to original owner blog
Something Random Gallente Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.07.07 16:11:00 - [46] NEWSFLASH to the OP That money is gone - you'll never get it back. So its a MOOT point to even bring it up - as someone pointed out all you've done is make yourself a definite PRIMARY to the griefing, tears loving community that is 99.2% of Eve. Note : Statistics may not be based on actual figures. As for lag.... Well.... all you can say is its never gone away. Not like its suddenly arrived or something, dorks. Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
Chinkies IV	Posted - 2009.07.07 16:13:00 - [47] Originally by: Something Random NEWSFLASH to the OP That money is gone - you'll never get it back. So its a MOOT point to even bring it up - as someone pointed out all you've done is make yourself a definite PRIMARY to the griefing, tears loving community that is 99.2% of Eve. Note : Statistics may not be based on actual figures. As for lag.... Well.... all you can say is its never gone away. Not like its suddenly arrived or something, dorks. the op didnt lose anything you flaming ******, l2read
Sloppy Podfarts	Posted - 2009.07.07 16:22:00 - [48] I LOVE THIS THREAD
Something Random Gallente Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.07.07 16:24:00 - [49] Originally by: ***ies IV Originally by:** Something Random NEWSFLASH to the OP That money is gone - you'll never get it back. So its a MOOT point to even bring it up - as someone pointed out all you've done is make yourself a definite PRIMARY to the griefing, tears loving community that is 99.2% of Eve. Note : Statistics may not be based on actual figures. As for lag.... Well.... all you can say is its never gone away. Not like its suddenly arrived or something, dorks. the op didnt lose anything you flaming ****, l2read You learn to think numbnuts... the money went the moment he plugged them in. Originally by:** CCP Fallout :facepalm:
Hoo Is	Posted - 2009.07.07 16:37:00 - [50] I hate the lag monster... it never seems to bite the people I am fighting
Kuar Z'thain Fraser's Finest Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.07.07 16:42:00 - [51] Bumping the LOL topic for the day.
Hoo Is	Posted - 2009.07.07 17:27:00 - [52] Please stop changing the title back and forth... you are getting em confused

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