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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
825
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Posted - 2012.05.21 20:15:00 -
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Liliana Rahl wrote:Do you really think there wasn't already a cartel in place?
It just wasn't official. Meh, there were people fighting over that stuff so I don't know if you can put it quite like that.
As I understand, White Noise. used to dump their tech monthly, crash prices for a week and I don't know what they did with the isk. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |

Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
37
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Posted - 2012.05.21 20:19:00 -
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Things are definitely more regulated now, but given the control over tech and the distribution, I'm willing to bet there was still quite some moderation going on. |

Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
37
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Posted - 2012.05.21 20:19:00 -
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And we all know what White Noise did with the isk. |

adam smash
University of Caille Gallente Federation
69
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Posted - 2012.05.21 20:25:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Tinnin Sylph wrote:Someone put in the time and effort and basically won at EVE but it wasn't me therefore CCP must remove the fruits of their labour from them.
Seems reasonable. NAPTRAINS != effort Beside rules were biased - technetium redistribution. Why tech inst available across universe and then try again at winning. Same reason it's so valuable... if diamonds were shat out by squirrels they wouldn't be sought after or at all valuable
Diamond prices are kept up... they are not worth anything next to what is paied for them... 
GJ though because goons are doing the samething and trying to inflate the price to make more mone just like diamonds... |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
829
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Posted - 2012.05.21 20:28:00 -
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Liliana Rahl wrote:And we all know what White Noise did with the isk. It matters not too much now since they *heh* aren't doing it anymore since their ATMs were taken away. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |

Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
380
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Posted - 2012.05.21 20:29:00 -
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Sorry, we can't hear you over the sound of how fabulously wealthy our alliance is.
Now get down and clean my boots with your tongue, pleb Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |

Doctor Benway Kado
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
36
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Posted - 2012.05.21 20:33:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
If you were aware of what's happening in game you should know by now goons are the first ones at previous CSM asking CCP to change this current status and make it worthy all across the Eve universe and not only a few regions.
If that was the truth they would support my thread not giving arguments against !! WHERE IS LOGIC IN THIS UNIVERSE ?????? You misunderstand us. We're not arguing that technetium shouldn't be nerfed. We're calling you a moron because we (CFC) warned everybody that it was a problem, campaigned that it should be fixed, publicly stated that we were going to start a cartel, killed a bunch of morons... and now you're crying foul. Calling for a stealth nerf because what we said would happen... happened. And now we get to act unbearably smug because not only do we have all that sweet Tech isk and the nearly bottomless tears of countless pubbies like you, but we're also righteously vindicated and get to put on a really douchey look on our face while we say "We told you so."
Ahhh, god, the smug. Can you imagine the look on my face? I'm not sure I'm properly conveying just how damn douchey it is. Also there won't be a stealth nerf because CCP has already stated that ring mining is going to be the solution. So bend over boyfriend, you get to grit your teeth while you wait for them to finish testing it. Hmm Hmm. |

Fuujin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
114
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Posted - 2012.05.21 20:34:00 -
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Tobiaz wrote:Another fine example why the prices of jump&bridge mechanics are way too low. There is simply no way nap-trains or resource cartels would work if the fuel consumption of especially capital ships was several orders of magnitude bigger then the pocket-change it is now.
Regions should fight neighbor regions again like it used to be. Not all nap-train together and then go curb-stomp much smaller alliances on the other side of the map. OTEC is only made possible because the Tech moons across several regions can all be protected on the drop of a hat, with the combined power of an entire hemisphere of the map.
Likewise, without cheap&safe JF-logistics dronepoo would never have become a problem for empire miners either.
These problems are mere symptoms of the underlying problem of low-cost, low-risk, excessive projection of power and logistic capabilities. CCP should fix the real cause.
It is far too easy to go from one empire faction to another, even ones hostile to one another! Why, they even have police protection throughout their space.
Clearly, gate tolls and cargo tariffs need to be put in place by the NPC empires to force localized trading and keep jobs at home. |

Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
206
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Posted - 2012.05.21 20:36:00 -
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free logistical intell for you Goons.
Sell all your technetium at 70K P/U Once the nerf comes out (we know it will) you can have a bunch of worthless Technetium or you can have a bunch of ISK to buy the now worthless Technetium. Aside from reactor units, fullerides aren't in demand. There is too much technetium in EVE now. It will only get worse with ring mining. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
829
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Posted - 2012.05.21 20:36:00 -
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Doctor Benway Kado wrote:You misunderstand us. We're not arguing that technetium shouldn't be nerfed. We're calling you a moron because we (CFC) warned everybody that it was a problem, campaigned that it should be fixed, publicly stated that we were going to start a cartel, killed a bunch of morons... and now you're crying foul. Calling for a stealth nerf because what we said would happen... happened. And now we get to act unbearably smug because not only do we have all that sweet Tech isk and the nearly bottomless tears of countless pubbies like you, but we're also righteously vindicated and get to put on a really douchey look on our face while we say "We told you so."
Ahhh, god, the smug. Can you imagine the look on my face? I'm not sure I'm properly conveying just how damn douchey it is. Also there won't be a stealth nerf because CCP has already stated that ring mining is going to be the solution. So bend over boyfriend, you get to grit your teeth while you wait for them to finish testing it. Hmm Hmm. Yeah. Tech should be nerfed.
You are a moron. We are incredibly smug.
Luv2MineTech ERRYDAY Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
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Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
38
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Posted - 2012.05.21 20:39:00 -
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Ocih wrote:free logistical intell for you Goons.
Sell all your technetium at 70K P/U Once the nerf comes out (we know it will) you can have a bunch of worthless Technetium or you can have a bunch of ISK to buy the now worthless Technetium. Aside from reactor units, fullerides aren't in demand. There is too much technetium in EVE now. It will only get worse with ring mining.
We know it will too. In fact, we were arguing against the tech bottleneck since before it went live. We even said that if the tech bottleneck happened it wouldn't take much for a large alliance to do the very thing we are now doing.
tl;dr We know better than you, so eat it. Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
829
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Posted - 2012.05.21 20:42:00 -
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Zhihatsu wrote:Ocih wrote:free logistical intell for you Goons.
Sell all your technetium at 70K P/U Once the nerf comes out (we know it will) you can have a bunch of worthless Technetium or you can have a bunch of ISK to buy the now worthless Technetium. Aside from reactor units, fullerides aren't in demand. There is too much technetium in EVE now. It will only get worse with ring mining. We know it will too. In fact, we were arguing against the tech bottleneck since before it went live. We even said that if the tech bottleneck happened it wouldn't take much for a large alliance to do the very thing we are now doing. tl;dr We know better than you, so eat it. Luckily people like that aren't in charge of the cartel, imagine the stupidity that would occur as five alliances 0.01isk themselves to death. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |

Doctor Benway Kado
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
43
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Posted - 2012.05.21 20:47:00 -
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Free logistical intell for you Pubbies.
Pay very close attention to the next thing we say should be nerfed. Because if we say it should be fixed And it isn't, we're going to exploit the living **** out of it. Because even though we're bad at EVE, we're still better at it then you. |

Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
102
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Posted - 2012.05.21 20:51:00 -
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Tinnin Sylph wrote:Someone put in the time and effort and basically won at EVE but it wasn't me therefore CCP must remove the fruits of their labour from them.
Seems reasonable. I thought you guys were cool with removing or balancing them lol nice that you show your true colors at least.
Doctor Benway Kado wrote:Free logistical intell for you Pubbies.
Pay very close attention to the next thing we say should be nerfed. Because if we say it should be fixed And it isn't, we're going to exploit the living **** out of it. Because even though we're bad at EVE, we're still better at it then you.
Like how you Immed the Gms when ppl started shooting YOU at Burn Jita? Yeah just like that.
Dish it but cant take it. Goon motto http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
839
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Posted - 2012.05.21 20:52:00 -
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Doctor Benway Kado wrote:Free logistical intell for you Pubbies.
Pay very close attention to the next thing we say should be nerfed. Because if we say it should be fixed And it isn't, we're going to exploit the living **** out of it. Because even though we're bad at EVE, we're still better at it then you. The word of the week is "tracking". Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |

Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
102
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Posted - 2012.05.21 20:55:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:So now all moons are officially in the hands of the cartel that is pretty much now untouchable.
CCP if you wont do surprise tech nerf tomorrow you suck.
Player driven content, if something doesn't please you just do something about it. By the way what would you do with tech moons?
kinda like ppl with a full tank brigade and supporting army looking at a civillian with a 9mm and saying "bring it"
Brave. http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |

Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
73
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Posted - 2012.05.21 20:57:00 -
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adam smash wrote:Diamond prices are kept up... they are not worth anything next to what is paied for them...  GJ though because goons are doing the samething and trying to inflate the price to make more mone just like diamonds... Tech is not diamonds, it is more like steel. Litteraly everything that is T2 has tech in it. It is only in a limited number of close by each other regions of space that is easily controlled/defended. I say good job Goons, for recognising an opportunity and going for it. And what has anybody else done besides whine and pout about how unfair it all is? Screamed and yelled for CCP to, "Nerf tech."
I've realised, over the years, that all you people do is talk a big game, but no action. Shut up and do something, or continue to whine and bleat, like a little baby, for CCP to save you from the big mean goonies who take all the tech for themselves, waaah, waaah. "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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Doctor Benway Kado
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
46
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Posted - 2012.05.21 20:58:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:So now all moons are officially in the hands of the cartel that is pretty much now untouchable.
CCP if you wont do surprise tech nerf tomorrow you suck.
Player driven content, if something doesn't please you just do something about it. By the way what would you do with tech moons? kinda like ppl with a full tank brigade and supporting army looking at a civillian with a 9mm and saying "bring it" Brave. Well, you don't have to start with Goons, you could always hit PL or Evoke first and work youahahahaha I'm sorry, you're right. You're ****** :) |

Landree
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:01:00 -
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We have the Tech. OTEC fixes the price. We use the isk we make to fun terrorism. Isn't Eve fun! ~10,058 |

HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
46
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:03:00 -
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OTEC is the best thing to happen to EVE in a while and I fully salute it's stated mission of conducting an economic war on the poor |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
839
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:07:00 -
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Doctor Benway Kado wrote:Well, you don't have to start with Goons, you could always hit PL or Evoke first and work youahahahaha I'm sorry, you're right. You're ****** :) Go for NC. I think they might be a bit easier.
Be prepared for titan hotdrops though. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |

Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
88
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:16:00 -
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Doctor Benway Kado wrote: Maybe you should vote for the goonfleet CSM next time, and not get him thrown off this time.
Had every single EVE Player Who Ever Lived in the Whole Universe voted for him........he STILL would have been thrown off.
Idiot. Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |

Tobiaz
Spacerats
455
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:17:00 -
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Fuujin wrote:Tobiaz wrote:Another fine example why the prices of jump&bridge mechanics are way too low. There is simply no way nap-trains or resource cartels would work if the fuel consumption of especially capital ships was several orders of magnitude bigger then the pocket-change it is now.
Regions should fight neighbor regions again like it used to be. Not all nap-train together and then go curb-stomp much smaller alliances on the other side of the map. OTEC is only made possible because the Tech moons across several regions can all be protected on the drop of a hat, with the combined power of an entire hemisphere of the map.
Likewise, without cheap&safe JF-logistics dronepoo would never have become a problem for empire miners either.
These problems are mere symptoms of the underlying problem of low-cost, low-risk, excessive projection of power and logistic capabilities. CCP should fix the real cause. It is far too easy to go from one empire faction to another, even ones hostile to one another! Why, they even have police protection throughout their space. Clearly, gate tolls and cargo tariffs need to be put in place by the NPC empires to force localized trading and keep jobs at home.
The speed and safety doesn't come close to null-bridges, cyno-alt netowrks networks and titan-relays as they are used by the large alliances in null.
But I totally agree that Empire travel is much too easy as well: you can be anywhere in empire and still go quickly and safely go shopping in Jita, turning the over-crowded system in a Wall-Mart superhub where only big industrialists can still make decent profits by trading in bulk.
I'm all for cutting up empire into the four factions and two or three 'islands' with low-sec border-zones two to four jumps deep dividing these up. This would then be the playground of FW and pirates preying on inter-faction travel and trade.
The game would also benefit from a healthy nerf to warp-speeds, which have never rebalanced for the Wt0 (incidentally this would also make frigates actually faster then cruisers when traveling, as it should. Because now ships rarely reach their max speed so only agility really matters). Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Check out the list at http://bit.ly/wdatt Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE. Looking for more editors! |

Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
88
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:19:00 -
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Doctor Benway Kado wrote:Free logistical intell for you Pubbies.
Pay very close attention to the next thing we say should be nerfed. Because if we say it should be fixed And it isn't, we're going to exploit the living **** out of it. Because even though we're bad at EVE, we're still better at it then you.
You so funny................ Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |

Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
385
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:20:00 -
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Ocih wrote:free logistical intell for you Goons.
Sell all your technetium at 70K P/U Once the nerf comes out (we know it will) you can have a bunch of worthless Technetium or you can have a bunch of ISK to buy the now worthless Technetium. Aside from reactor units, fullerides aren't in demand. There is too much technetium in EVE now. It will only get worse with ring mining. Free market intel: We put our tech up at 200k and the market still gobbles up every last scrap of it. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |

ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:23:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:So now all moons are officially in the hands of the cartel that is pretty much now untouchable.
CCP if you wont do surprise tech nerf tomorrow you suck.
I agree Tech needs to be nerfed.
It does not need to be nerfed because one group of players have used their noggins and created a monopoly - that is emergent game play and should be rewarded.
It needs to be nerfed because it is a production bottleneck that has a negative effect on over all game mechanics balance.
Thank you for clouding an important issue and opening it up to trolling through your poor rationale no face alt. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
840
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:23:00 -
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Fabulousli Obvious wrote:Doctor Benway Kado wrote: Maybe you should vote for the goonfleet CSM next time, and not get him thrown off this time. Had every single EVE Player Who Ever Lived in the Whole Universe voted for him........he STILL would have been thrown off. Idiot. Disappointing pubbies everywhere, that's us. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |

Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
88
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:26:00 -
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Why dont we just ask CCP to RESET all of Eve? Everyone back to noob status in an NPC corp and we start all over from scratch.
...just a thought!! |

Tinnin Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
243
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:28:00 -
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I'm mining some tech right now. You should try it sometime. Except you can't because it's all ours.
LOGIC! Heh. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
841
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:29:00 -
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Dragon Outlaw wrote:Why dont we just ask CCP to RESET all of Eve? Everyone back to noob status in an NPC corp and we start all over from scratch.  ...just a thought!! If you're serious, post it in the features and ideas or whatever it's called.
Sounds like fun.
Make sure to delete all the plexes that were bought from CCP  Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
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