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Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy
PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:16:00 -
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Dirk Smacker wrote:Cat Casidy wrote:Obviously all gallente and minmattar are blues, espescially the ones who RP the hell out of this game...oh wait
"My name is Treyvn. I'm a diplomat with the Electus Matari alliance. We're an alliance supporting the Minmatar Republic. As an NRDS alliance (not red, don't shoot), we try to reduce piracy and other crimes in Republic space, and build relationships through communication and mutual respect.
We have Percussive Diplomacy set red (-5). We have observed the formation of Percussive Pizza Time Diplomacy. Based on your executor corp's Description, I see little reason to hesitate in recommending that PZZA be set red (-5). I will make that recommendation within a few days. However, if you'd like to comment, I welcome your reply."
Nitwits Can we see the reply?  The threat to change red(-5) to red(-5) is one not to be taken lightly.
We sent him this picture (that's our member Deadmang) They kept us red.
And to everyone getting high and mighty, if the ethics committee of minmattar are allowed to set red and fire on supposed allies without ever having met them then two groups who have known each other for years but ended up on the opposite side of the "war" have every right to defend that relationship and each other.
SLAPD - Star Scientist, I science stars |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
Federal Consensus Outreach
932
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:16:00 -
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Lock out wrote: But we focused on saving Raka and Nenn because our friends from SLAPD and QCATS live there, not because some random rp reasons. We did the same for Kamela, tried (and succeded) to save a system where some friends live .
The difference is that SLAPD and QCATS are members of your militia, and Wolfsbrigade are members of an enemy of your militia.
Lock out wrote:I am not interested in having some CCP arbitrary mechanic telling me who my friends and my enemies should be
Then here's some advice for you: don't play factional warfare. An arbitrary CCP mechanic telling you who your friends and enemies should be is the price you pay for being a member of it. Even then, it only tells you who your allies and enemies should be, not who they are. I never said your actions were somehow against the spirit of the game or "illegal", but they're certainly counterproductive and irksome.
Mane 614
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Jones Bones
Imperial Outlaws
53
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:16:00 -
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Lock out, you can be my wingman, anytime. |
Lord Meriak
Amarrian Retribution
Amarr 7th Fleet
7
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:19:00 -
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For the 7th,, Amarrian Retribution & Myself, The last day of patch was 1 of the best ending of a patch in a very long time. 
Gf in locals.
Sahtogas and kam & all amarr systems , decontested 
Looking forward to npc being sorted now more then ever; 
Plex not being bugged (spwn) for 23 hours at a time then we can make some headway. 
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
89
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:22:00 -
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Lock out wrote:But we focused on saving Raka and Nenn because our friends from SLAPD and QCATS live there, not because some random rp reasons. We did the same for Kamela, tried (and succeded) to save a system where some friends live .
This is a powerful statement. I do change my mind slightly from before and see your reasons and respect them quite deeply, and see the e-honour in it.
At the same time I still feel strongly about honouring the game mechanics, and this is partly why I am so incensed: I cannot see a clear "right" path forward to respond to these events.
Pulgy wrote:Bros before hoes.
Deal it with it.
Also if you're under the assumption that Gallente and Minnies shouldn't shoot each other purely because of RP reasons then I'm more than happy to shoot you back :) and please if you're so mad about this let your actions speak for themselves, Castle Grayskull awaits.
The reason I don't do so is multi-faceted
- To do so, I would leave QCATS (because I wouldn't want to drag them into a conflict like this) and start my own one man corp to do my principled action.
- Even if I did so, from a practical standpoint, it would do little. I would kill a few, I would probably die more due to sheer numerical weight. But it's not the practicality, it's the principle, which brings me to my next point.
- As I said before, I'm more principled than practical, so practicality is not such a big deal. If I were to do so, I would be harming your efforts to defend the Federation and attack the Caldari militia. I would be doing a disservice to the Federation in my crusade for principled revenge. So I can't even say that it's the most principled thing to do.
- And lets say I left the Gallente Federation to do so so I wouldn't be harming the war effect of the faction I was with. Then what? I would have left a faction to fight a grudge only because of the faction and that'd just be stupid, and my sense of RP principle is then lost.
- Finally, what fun would it be? After a week or two of feeling good about principled actions (and that's debatable for the above point) I'd just be creating drama within the Gallente Federation, and I hate drama. I'd make it more difficult to fly with the people I liked to fly with, and make it more difficult for them to fly with me, and we'd be like the Caldari militia was back in 2010. And I'd rather not submit the Federation to that kind of ridicule like the Caldari did to themselves.
So instead, I seethe with no clear option in front of me. And that's why I'm so bothered, because I do not have a clear correct course of action.
Isn't emergent gameplay grand? |
Jared Reidel
Shadows Of The Federation
Drunk 'n' Disorderly
7
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:22:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:...they're certainly...irksome
Ah now there's a reason not to have done it!
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David Devant
CTRL-Q
Iron Oxide.
1
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:25:00 -
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Pulgy wrote:Bros before hoes.
Deal it with it.
Also if you're under the assumption that Gallente and Minnies shouldn't shoot each other purely because of RP reasons then I'm more than happy to shoot you back :) and please if you're so mad about this let your actions speak for themselves, Castle Grayskull awaits.
I don't RP. However, it would make sense for the Federation to take a dim view of such activities and slap some standings loss on you. Jus sayin. |
Tekitha
Shadows Of The Federation
Drunk 'n' Disorderly
26
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:26:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Then here's some advice for you: don't play factional warfare. An arbitrary CCP mechanic telling you who your friends and enemies should be is the price you pay for being a member of it. Even then, it only tells you who your allies and enemies should be, not who they are. I never said your actions were somehow against the spirit of the game or "illegal", but they're certainly counterproductive and irksome.
We don't "play factional warfare" we play eve, and FW just so happens to be the theatre that most suits our purpose. Nothing more than that, we have no interest in the goings on of FW and it's RP membership above and beyond that which affects our gameplay.
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Desra Mascani
Eleutherian Guard
Villore Accords
1
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:27:00 -
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WTF? Good post from Damar. Eeeeeeh, you melt my heart. 
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Desra Mascani
Eleutherian Guard
Villore Accords
1
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:32:00 -
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Tekitha wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Then here's some advice for you: don't play factional warfare. An arbitrary CCP mechanic telling you who your friends and enemies should be is the price you pay for being a member of it. Even then, it only tells you who your allies and enemies should be, not who they are. I never said your actions were somehow against the spirit of the game or "illegal", but they're certainly counterproductive and irksome.
We don't "play factional warfare" we play eve, and FW just so happens to be the theatre that most suits our purpose. Nothing more than that, we have no interest in the goings on of FW and it's RP membership above and beyond that which affects our gameplay.
Anyway, there goes my trust for SOTF leadership.
BTW, you should decide if you stay in FW since it's you who fck it up with your dual loyalty.
Now let the damn you ******** RPer answers flow.
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BolsterBomb
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
52
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:35:00 -
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I think SOTF and WBRG simply cant be trusted end of story.
The FW mechanics are there for a purpose. You dont blue your enemy and crap on your ally. The FW mechanics chose your allies for you.
If WBRG was such a force to be reckoned with then they should not of needed SOTF to begin with. It is different calling temp blue with your emey to kill a larger enemy, but bluing with your enemy to shoot your ally is just wrong.
If SOTF/WBRG want to shoot whoever they want then get out of FW. You can do everything you are doing now without crapping over the FW mechanics. If you want to choose your allies go to FW but for a Minni to see a Gal coming and then get poped because of this is simply inexcusable. I for one would love to see the Minnies turn every Gal red and KOS.
This isnt an "inter militia" war where one militia corp decs another for a reason you declared war on the entire side without a formal (game mechanic) notice being declared.
Lt. Colonel
of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General
of The Gallente Federation |
Del Vikus
Gradient
Electus Matari
5
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:36:00 -
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Lock out wrote:
Gallente Federation's mandate ? Intergalactic summit, that way. -------->
If you wanna talk about prioritising blues, getting involved in blue vs blue fights, etc. I'll be more than happy to discuss, but we couldn't care less about **** rp'ing.
And yet you joined an RP-based mechanic that explicitly supports the fluffy story-based territories in lowsec/Empire space.
+1
Nullsec, that way ------------> |
Salicaz
Wolfsbrigade
Lost Obsession
26
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:39:00 -
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http://9gag.com/gag/4241946 This is how WBR and SOTF friendship began |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous
Late Night Alliance
256
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:39:00 -
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Tekitha wrote:X Gallentius wrote:I think the only thing people are really complaining about is the blue-on-blue PVP performed by SoTF.
Everything else is just same old, same old.
SOTF never fired a shot at a blue target ... Honestly, how ******* ******** are you?
LOL, because you reset us right before... Honestly, how ******* ******** are you?
Sa souvraya niende misain ye. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
Late Night Alliance
2382
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:42:00 -
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Tanaka Sekigahara wrote: Who is "CCP Flip-Flop", Prithee?
CCP Flip-Flop only wears sandals to work, no matter how cold it gets in Iceland. They also are the one responsible for everything you hate in any given expansion.
Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
89
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:42:00 -
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BolsterBomb wrote:I for one would love to see the Minnies turn every Gal red and KOS.
Why would they do that, and why would you love to see it (apart from of course weakening the Gallente militia, and if that's the answer then that's understandable)? I know a number of Gallente militia members who are now going to Minmatar space right now to fight for Minmatar plexes at the expense of our own Gallente space just in an attempt to cleanse the shame from the Gallente Militia for this action. |
Desra Mascani
Eleutherian Guard
Villore Accords
2
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:44:00 -
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Del Vikus wrote:Lock out wrote:
Gallente Federation's mandate ? Intergalactic summit, that way. -------->
If you wanna talk about prioritising blues, getting involved in blue vs blue fights, etc. I'll be more than happy to discuss, but we couldn't care less about **** rp'ing.
And yet you joined an RP-based mechanic that explicitly supports the fluffy story-based territories in lowsec/Empire space. +1 Nullsec, that way ------------>
Well, I think their dread armour is too thick to get that message to them and into their heads. With power comes arrogance and with that ..... well, ignorance.
On the other hand, there are some great and loyal Shadows loyal to the idea of FW, like Madbuster73 and S810 Jr who get only my unending respect.
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Tekitha
Shadows Of The Federation
Drunk 'n' Disorderly
26
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:45:00 -
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Vordak Kallager wrote:Tekitha wrote:X Gallentius wrote:I think the only thing people are really complaining about is the blue-on-blue PVP performed by SoTF.
Everything else is just same old, same old.
SOTF never fired a shot at a blue target ... Honestly, how ******* ******** are you? LOL, because you reset us right before... Honestly, how ******* ******** are you?
the first kill appearing on our allaince killboard that was a (ex)blue minmatar corp member was at 2300 eve time. The standings reset happened at around 2130 eve time
Also it was minmatar who reset us first (understandably so) not us resetting them.
You seem misinformed friend
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Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
6
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:47:00 -
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So, if Matar decide to keep on pushing and pushing Kamela anyway, what will happen? This thread delivers and i'm getting some popcorn and coke ready
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Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous
Late Night Alliance
256
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:48:00 -
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All of this bullshit from SOTF is ridiculous.
LNA and FeO, the two major/main players of the Minmatar Alliance (the DND and Villore Accords of Minmatar, if you will) were clearly BLUE up until May 21. Our leaders, Bahamut, Amy, etc had worked hard to secure and solidify those BLUE standings with DND. We had enjoyed many joint operations with the Gallente, DND included, the latest of which was an assault on several Tech Towers in which Minmatar provided Capital Support in the Gallente Warzone and vice versa. LNA and FeO have always been MORE than happy to help ANY Gallente, even if they weren't specifically set BLUE.
DND shows up in Kamela on the 21st says "No, you can't take this." We say "Fine, since you're blue." We go to a different system that is NOT KAMELA. DND and WBR promptly cry foul and RESET US.
We go back to plexing Kamela at which point DND use combat ships to defend AMARRIAN Plexes from the Minmatar.
No, you didn't shoot blues, but only because you made up some bullshit excuse to reset us and do it "scott-free".
Sa souvraya niende misain ye. |
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
229
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:54:00 -
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Joanna Ramirez wrote:So, if Matar decide to keep on pushing and pushing Kamela anyway, what will happen? This thread delivers and i'm getting some popcorn and coke ready lol, they can't plexes were purposefully bugged after downtime. Too bad CCP didn't fix this bug you pointed out to them months ago.
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Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation
Drunk 'n' Disorderly
101
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:55:00 -
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Bahamut reset us mate.
We then in turn reset.
Get your facts right please. |
Markius TheShed
Murientor Tribe
Defiant Legacy
30
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:55:00 -
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Before SOTF appeared in Kamela I did'nt really care if we took the system or not as I did not want to lose the source of the great fights that were had over the weekend.
And realistically we were probably never going to take the bunker anyway as all-sorts of death would of been cynoned on top of us.
But then the treachery happened, And suddenly I did care if we took Kamela, I wanted to payback SOTF for their backstabbing and the best way to do that was as simple as getting in a Dessy or a cruiser and doing what I've been doing for the 18 months I've been in FW PLEX PLEX PLEX
Last August our whole corp moved to Eugales and fought for the Gallente against Damar for a month so we had most of the Gall corps set mutual blue, when we formed Defiant Legacy we took a alliance fleet over to help the gallente retake intaki.
This whole thing is a real kick in the nuts for all minmatar who saw SOTF as friends and allies.
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Lock out
Shadows Of The Federation
Drunk 'n' Disorderly
191
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:55:00 -
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Vordak, you either have a comprehension problem or a cognitive problem. Baha reset us, we didn't reset anyone.
As for joint ops, am p sure it must've been a GMVA op. I don't remember -FU- inviting you to any ops, and I am on p much all day every day. |
ArmyOfMe
Omniscient Order
75
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:55:00 -
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Gallactica wrote:
Oh, Kamela is saved and remains WBR's home - friends stick together.
son, i am disappointed 
ArmyOfMe > i swear my drones have become even more stupid after the patch
Wanna Kill > as usually im way ahead of you, my drones have been drooling idiots for ages |
RobekPL
Wolfsbrigade
Lost Obsession
5
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:58:00 -
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Sadly I do not think the day will ever come when people finally understand that in EVE no one gives a **** if you got blobbed or if it was a "fair fight", your dead, you lose. |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous
Late Night Alliance
256
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:58:00 -
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Lock out wrote:Vordak, you either have a comprehension problem or a cognitive problem. Baha reset us, we didn't reset anyone.
As for joint ops, am p sure it must've been a GMVA op. I don't remember -FU- inviting you to any ops, and I am on p much all day every day.
Uhm, because you didn't stay put in Kamela and continued to provide Guardian support for the Amarr when they went to fight us in other systems? That is a pretty not-blue thing to do, even though you were blue. We were prepared to leave Kamela alone, if you refrained from continuing to help our War Targets. You did not. Simple as that.
Sa souvraya niende misain ye. |
Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy
PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
32
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Posted - 2012.05.22 19:59:00 -
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Desra Mascani wrote:Tekitha wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Then here's some advice for you: don't play factional warfare. An arbitrary CCP mechanic telling you who your friends and enemies should be is the price you pay for being a member of it. Even then, it only tells you who your allies and enemies should be, not who they are. I never said your actions were somehow against the spirit of the game or "illegal", but they're certainly counterproductive and irksome.
We don't "play factional warfare" we play eve, and FW just so happens to be the theatre that most suits our purpose. Nothing more than that, we have no interest in the goings on of FW and it's RP membership above and beyond that which affects our gameplay. Anyway, there goes my trust for SOTF leadership. BTW, you should decide if you stay in FW since it's you who fck it up with your dual loyalty. Now let the damn you ******** RPer answers flow.
No damn RPer response here, just a suggestion that you stop being a whiny ***** and thank them for having a place to live, lockout especially who FC'd for at least 12 hours to save every Gal home system in BL.
SLAPD - Star Scientist, I science stars |
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation
Drunk 'n' Disorderly
101
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Posted - 2012.05.22 20:00:00 -
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Ok enough of this bullshit.
If you have a problem with us / what we have done put your effing money mouth is and use game mechanics to vent your feelings.
War dec the crap out of us and "make us pay for insert reasons here" or stop acting like whiny children.
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BolsterBomb
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
53
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Posted - 2012.05.22 20:01:00 -
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chatgris wrote:BolsterBomb wrote:I for one would love to see the Minnies turn every Gal red and KOS. Why would they do that, and why would you love to see it (apart from of course weakening the Gallente militia, and if that's the answer then that's understandable)? I know a number of Gallente militia members who are now going to Minmatar space right now to fight for Minmatar plexes at the expense of our own Gallente space just in an attempt to cleanse the shame from the Gallente Militia for this action.
Because it would make the militia accountable for buttheads doing stupid stuff. The Gallente going down to help the minni is a starter but in all fairness the gals only are "accepting" this from SOTF because without SOTF there would be a change in power in theCal/Gallente front. Maybe not overnight but it would change.
Militias operate (or supposed to) as a large alliance. In an alliance if one of your corps gets out of line then someone sticks a boot up their butt. The only reason no one is doing it to SOTF is because SOTF is your protector.
Listen they can do what they want, its their game. However it is quite obvious that WBRG and SOTF cannot be trusted at all. They will be butt buddies for life. Just when you are flying around and see one remember what happend. Would I fleet with a WBRG, never. I dont trust any corp that allys with my enemy against my ally. Its that simple.
I am not "shocked" that SOTF did that, what I am shocked at is that the Gals are not pissed at what SOTF did and more vocal. Its like accidental blue on blue. As soon as its recongized isk is sent and apologies in local.
Maybe that happend privately in your channel but to me its just absurb.
P.S. I hate spelling
Lt. Colonel
of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General
of The Gallente Federation |
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