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IRISH RIAN
Defiance Industries Co-Op EVESpace
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Posted - 2009.07.11 13:17:00 -
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Edited by: IRISH RIAN on 11/07/2009 13:24:36
WHAT THEY DO. They Blow up your ship and Steal what is left of your wrecked ship's content's to sell or use.
WHY I CARE I Have lost over 450 mil in one gank. and this has happened to my corp three times.
HOW THEY DO IT They all have hualer's, scanners, and an aggressor. aggressor is the only one that get's concord.
The most advanced gankers use six men. three on one side of the gate and three on the other. One scan's your cargo, one attack's you and blows you up usally a BC attacking a badger mark II(the attacker always gets concored), and one set's in a ship to steal your wrecks loot as you watch from your pod. and if they missed you the'll get you on the othere side.
The other way i've seen it done is with a whole bunch of day one alts. they follow you and hit self destruct on there ships. when they blow up they damage your ship. seen a freighter go down this way. then at the end of the day the delete the alt's account and start fresh with a new alt tommmorow. so they don't have to worry about hurting standings.
WHO THEY TARGET. People with a lot of cargo and high value item's. Mainly Transport Ship's, Industrials ships, And Frieghters. usaylly but not always one's on auto pilot.
HOW TO PROTECT YOURSELF Use cargo containers they can't see what you have inside them, make a courier contract(doen't work if you need the items now or are trying to play the market) Don't use auto pilot in high sec when moving stuff. you are no longer safe on auto pilot in high sec.
WHAT CCP DOSE WHEN PETITIONED Thats part of the game nobody said high sec. was safe.
MY ???'s FOR CCP WHY do we have high sec? WHY dose auto pilot dump you 15k from a gate? WHY do we have auto pilot? WHY can anyone loot your actual wreck, not a NPC wreck?
WHAT CCP SHOULD DO IDEA 1: make it illeagal to scan ships so that they get concord. i can't jam him in high sec so why can he scan me?
IDEA 2: Is limit who can take from your wreck in high sec. The only person's that should be able to take from your wreck is you and the person who killed you. what this dose is makes the person have to go back to your wreck after they get concorded. So it give's you the chance to get there first and get back your loot and be waiting there for some revenge... Also those day on sucide ganking alts won't have a high enough security status to go back and pick up your stuff.
IDEA 3: If some one steals from your ship werck in high security and not an NPC wreck, your actual wreck. If they didn't kill you they sould have a higher penalty put on them then just a 15min kill right. reason they take your loot and set in station for 15 min till they can do it agian to someone else. THATS A CROOK oF ****! they need to get concord and blown up and then they can go back to there wreck and take the stuff leagally from there own wreck.
BOTH OF THESE IDEAS SHOULD STOP OR PREVENT SUCIDE GANKING
IF YOU KNOW ANY CCP PLEASE FOWARD THIS TO THEM!!! AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT OF IMPROVE THIS FEEL FREE
. All is good Chillax (Chillin meets Relaxing). I salute all service memebers. POW-MIA ur not forgotten. |
Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.07.11 13:23:00 -
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shut up.
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IRISH RIAN
Defiance Industries Co-Op EVESpace
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Posted - 2009.07.11 13:25:00 -
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Thanks for the insight All is good Chillax (Chillin meets Relaxing). I salute all service memebers. POW-MIA ur not forgotten. |
Raven Nightstalker
Amarr Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2009.07.11 13:27:00 -
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I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THIS TOPIC
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me0de
Holographic Universe
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Posted - 2009.07.11 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: IRISH RIAN BOTH OF THESE IDEAS SHOULD STOP OR PREVENT SUCIDE GANKING
Which is why this will never happen. On a serious note, you know where suiciding doesn't happen? Lowsec, and 0.0.
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iP0D
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Posted - 2009.07.11 13:30:00 -
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I don't "get" the "problem".
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Derus Grobb
Selectus Pravus Lupus
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Posted - 2009.07.11 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: IRISH RIAN
HOW TO PROTECT YOURSELF Use cargo containers they can't see what you have inside them, make a courier contract(doen't work if you need the items now or are trying to play the market) Don't use auto pilot in high sec when moving stuff.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.07.11 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: IRISH RIAN MY ???'s FOR CCP WHY do we have high sec? WHY dose auto pilot dump you 15k from a gate? WHY do we have auto pilot? WHY can anyone loot your actual wreck, not a NPC wreck?
In order- To provide a safer environment where you can easily avoid being killed.
- To make it worth your while to fly manually.
- So you don't have to fly manually if you don't want to.
- Ehm… Anyone can loot both player and NPC wrecks.
Quote: IDEA 1: make it illeagal to scan ships so that they get concord. i can't jam him in high sec so why can he scan me?
Because scanning isn't an offensive act — jamming someone is.
Quote: IDEA 2: Is limit who can take from your wreck in high sec.
So you want to reduce the risk for the gankers? Why? Right now, getting "their" loot stolen from under their nose is a major hazard that can completely nuke their profitability, and you want to remove that?!
Quote: IDEA 3: If some one steals from your ship werck in high security and not an NPC wreck, your actual wreck. If they didn't kill you they sould have a higher penalty put on them then just a 15min kill right.
Your reasons make no sense, mainly because you seem to think that there's any difference between player and NPC wrecks. Both work the same way (except with different owners).
Quote: BOTH OF THESE IDEAS SHOULD STOP OR PREVENT SUCIDE GANKING
Which is why they will never happen. Suicide ganking is part of the game and will never be stopped or removed. It can already be prevented by you through the magic act of not being stupid. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Kessiaan
Minmatar MicroFunks
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Posted - 2009.07.11 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: IRISH RIAN WHY I CARE I Have lost over 450 mil in one gank. and this has happened to my corp three times. I Just want to be a safe carebear for now. where can i be safe :(
You know the saying, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."
T2 haulers exist for a reason. Use a tanked deep space transport for hauling big valuable stuff and a blockade runner for hauling little valuable stuff. All you have to do is make it not worth their time and ships and you won't get suicided.
I've moved billions through lowsec in transports (mostly a blockade runner) and never gotten caught. You need to stop expecting NPCs to cover your ass and you'll do a lot better.
Quote: The other way i've seen it done is with a whole bunch of day one alts. they follow you and hit self destruct on there ships. when they blow up they damage your ship. seen a freighter go down this way. then at the end of the day the delete the alt's account and start fresh with a new alt tommmorow. so they don't have to worry about hurting standings.
Also, this shows you're either completely clueless, or just a troll. Not sure which. Don't really care.
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IRISH RIAN
Defiance Industries Co-Op EVESpace
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Posted - 2009.07.11 13:37:00 -
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Really i made this tread to try and fix the problem. but if thet dosn't work then atleast people are aware of it.
Trying to better eve one step at a time All is good Chillax (Chillin meets Relaxing). I salute all service memebers. POW-MIA ur not forgotten. |
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.07.11 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: IRISH RIAN Really i made this tread to try and fix the problem.
What problem? You falling for the same easily avoidable trick over and over again?
Here's som fixes to that: Scout. Tank. No AP. No AFK. Staying alert. Non-obvious routes. …others will probably chime in with more. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
IRISH RIAN
Defiance Industries Co-Op EVESpace
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Posted - 2009.07.11 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Kessiaan
T2 haulers exist for a reason. Use a tanked deep space transport for hauling big valuable stuff and a blockade runner for hauling little valuable stuff. All you have to do is make it not worth their time and ships and you won't get suicided.
I was on auto in a T2 hualer thought it was safe to do that in high sec All is good Chillax (Chillin meets Relaxing). I salute all service memebers. POW-MIA ur not forgotten. |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.07.11 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: IRISH RIAN I was on auto in a T2 hualer thought it was safe to do that in high sec
Ah, so that's the problem.
Solution: learn from your mistake. High-sec isn't safe. Autopilot isn't safe. T2 is safe (kind of), but only if you're at the controls. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
IRISH RIAN
Defiance Industries Co-Op EVESpace
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Posted - 2009.07.11 13:46:00 -
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RGR ive learned from my mistake posted so others can learn before they losses stuff. or the problem can get fixed All is good Chillax (Chillin meets Relaxing). I salute all service memebers. POW-MIA ur not forgotten. |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.07.11 13:48:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 11/07/2009 13:48:12
Originally by: IRISH RIAN or the problem can get fixed
Highsec ganking isn't a problem, though, so I'm not quite sure what you're referring to…
If you've learned, then the problem is fixed already. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Irida Mershkov
Gallente War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.07.11 13:48:00 -
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Quote: EVESpace
I have found the problem.
In all seriousness, High-security space is never safe, this is working as intended, next time you'll have to take better care of hauling precious cargo. If you ask me, it is too easy to be secure when hauling.
Also, your ideas are god awful and this is not new in any way.
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TimMc
Gallente Brutal Deliverance
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Posted - 2009.07.11 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: IRISH RIAN Really i made this tread to try and fix the problem.
What problem? You falling for the same easily avoidable trick over and over again?
Here's som fixes to that: Scout. Tank. No AP. No AFK. Staying alert. Non-obvious routes. àothers will probably chime in with more.
This. OP is a silly carebear.
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Admiral IceBlock
Caldari Northern Intelligence
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Posted - 2009.07.11 13:52:00 -
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Quote: The other way i've seen it done is with a whole bunch of day one alts. they follow you and hit self destruct on there ships. when they blow up they damage your ship. seen a freighter go down this way. then at the end of the day the delete the alt's account and start fresh with a new alt tommmorow. so they don't have to worry about hurting standings.
I call BULL****!
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Lord Reginald
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Posted - 2009.07.11 13:58:00 -
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Split a stack of, say, 1000 trit into single units and put that into your cargo hold so it takes the gankers some time to search through your cargo hold.
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IRISH RIAN
Defiance Industries Co-Op EVESpace
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Posted - 2009.07.11 13:59:00 -
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Edited by: IRISH RIAN on 11/07/2009 14:05:02
Quote: I call BULL****!
Nope two days ago feighter destoryed in niajia. ask all the people who saw 120000m3 containers in space at the gate. How else did the get there then? oh that's right it got blown up by like 40 gankers. All is good Chillax (Chillin meets Relaxing). I salute all service memebers. POW-MIA ur not forgotten. |
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IRISH RIAN
Defiance Industries Co-Op EVESpace
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Posted - 2009.07.11 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Reginald Split a stack of, say, 1000 trit into single units and put that into your cargo hold so it takes the gankers some time to search through your cargo hold.
They just hit select all dosn't stop or slow them down All is good Chillax (Chillin meets Relaxing). I salute all service memebers. POW-MIA ur not forgotten. |
Enyalie
Minmatar Sanguine Legion
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Posted - 2009.07.11 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: IRISH RIAN
Originally by: Lord Reginald Split a stack of, say, 1000 trit into single units and put that into your cargo hold so it takes the gankers some time to search through your cargo hold.
They just hit select all dosn't stop or slow them down
It will slow them down on their scan results window;
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Aceoil
Black Serpent Technologies Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.11 14:09:00 -
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This is not a game you should be playing. Hello Kitty online is more your speed.
Suiciding in highsec is not a problem. You are a problem. Self destruct does not destroy other ships. You have no idea how this game works.
HAHA it happened to your corp three times. What a bunch of noobs.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.07.11 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: IRISH RIAN How else did the get there then? oh that's right it got blown up by like 40 gankers.
Ye-e-es? And? How does that in any way substantiate your claim that you can self-destruct-nuke a freighter? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Gunnanmon
Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.07.11 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: IRISH RIAN I was on auto in a T2 hualer thought it was safe to do that in high sec
lol Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.07.11 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: IRISH RIAN WHAT CCP DOSE WHEN PETITIONED Thats part of the game nobody said high sec. was safe. WHY I CARE I Have lost over 450 mil in one gank. and this has happened to my corp three times. I Just want to be a safe carebear for now. where can i be safe :(
NOWHERE can you be completely safe. It's by design, and we love it. If anything, it's too DIFFICULT to gank somebody with some half-decent skills who has a clue about what he's doing.
Quote: WHO THEY TARGET. People with a lot of cargo and high value item's. Mainly Transport Ship's, Industrials ships, And Frieghters. usaylly but not always one's on auto pilot.
So, carry LESS value's worth of cargo, tank your ship better, and then you shouldn't be a target.
Quote: MY ???'s FOR CCP WHY do we have high sec?
So you won't lose ANY ship to the first wannabe ganker with a battlecruiser.
Quote: WHAT CCP SHOULD DO [...] THESE IDEAS SHOULD STOP OR PREVENT SUCIDE GANKING
CCP should do absolutely nothing. Suicide-ganking is a DESIRBLE feature of the game. If anything, they should make it EASIER to gank people in highsec : the difficulty has been increasing steadily in the past years, up to the point where you need quite large amounts of ships to gank somebody in 0.5 You used to be able to gank a freighter in a 0.5 with a handful of battleships, now you're looking at least at 30, preferably more to pull it off.
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Vanzatoarea
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Posted - 2009.07.11 14:14:00 -
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i`d just like to add there is another reason to gank people in highsec
if they act like the op does it`s worth spending some isk in the hope of err....teaching him what eve is about or if that fails hopefully driving him away
op : watch out you just got marked
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.07.11 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T If anything, they should make it EASIER to gank people in highsec
/signed.
(But that was probably already obvious) ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Holy Lowlander
Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.07.11 14:17:00 -
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there went waaaaaayyy too much effort in this troll... _______________ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |
5pinDizzy
Amarr SMS Fleet Services
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Posted - 2009.07.11 14:28:00 -
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1. CCP understand their own game a lot better than me or you thanks.
2. I like the bit where you didn't understand many of the mechanics of highsec and asked questions why it was so, but then go on tell CCP what they should do instead anyway.
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