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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.13 16:26:00 -
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I would really like it if the texture and model for the combat version of each races command ship had its texture and model changed to resemble that of the Teir 2 version of the Battlecruiser. I know there are many out there that agree with me, so let's see what kind of support we can get in here. --
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arbiter reformed
Minmatar Annihilate.
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Posted - 2009.07.13 18:10:00 -
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um no, make a t2 tier 2 instead thanks Signature graphics that may only contain your character name, corporation logo, corporation or personal slogan or other text that is directly related to your in-game persona, or content directly related to Eve Online. All content must be in good taste.Applebabe |
Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.13 19:12:00 -
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And what do you suggest as a role for this new possible tech 2 ship? The problem is, is that there is no new real possible role imo. --
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange Coalition of Free Stars
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Posted - 2009.07.13 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Druallis And what do you suggest as a role for this new possible tech 2 ship? The problem is, is that there is no new real possible role imo.
I can think of half a dozen that have been proposed over the years, and that's just what I've seen. Besides, what you propose is unnecessary, and you can't really find a tier/type matchup. For Gallente, the fleet would be tier 2(Eos and Myrmidon are drone boats), for Caldari the field would be tier 2(Drake and Nighthawk are missile boats), and Amarr/Minmatar have no obvious matchup(Damnation/Claymore pretty much have to be tier 1, but Absolution/Sleipnir are also closer to the tier 1 than the tier 2). Besides, this would be a fairly noticeable mechanical change too - the 5-10 mil difference is actually noticeable, unlike the CovOps changes a while back.
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.13 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
Originally by: Marcus Druallis And what do you suggest as a role for this new possible tech 2 ship? The problem is, is that there is no new real possible role imo.
I can think of half a dozen that have been proposed over the years, and that's just what I've seen. Besides, what you propose is unnecessary, and you can't really find a tier/type matchup. For Gallente, the fleet would be tier 2(Eos and Myrmidon are drone boats), for Caldari the field would be tier 2(Drake and Nighthawk are missile boats), and Amarr/Minmatar have no obvious matchup(Damnation/Claymore pretty much have to be tier 1, but Absolution/Sleipnir are also closer to the tier 1 than the tier 2). Besides, this would be a fairly noticeable mechanical change too - the 5-10 mil difference is actually noticeable, unlike the CovOps changes a while back.
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Well, surprisingly the game has changed a bit over the years, so why don't you recall what these were as they may not be applicable anymore.
Also, how is the absolution and sleipnir closer to teir 1 than teir 2? Nanocane resembles the sleipnir and the absolution is extremely similiar to the harbinger. --
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange Coalition of Free Stars
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Posted - 2009.07.14 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Druallis Well, surprisingly the game has changed a bit over the years, so why don't you recall what these were as they may not be applicable anymore.
Also, how is the absolution and sleipnir closer to teir 1 than teir 2? Nanocane resembles the sleipnir and the absolution is extremely similiar to the harbinger.
The Harby/Proph and Clone/Cane have three bonuses between them, all three of which appear on the Abso/Sleip. In that regard they're both fairly close to each T1 version. However, the ones on the T1 ship skill - i.e., the ones that always operate at full strength - are the ones from the tier 1 hull. The Absolution has a locked 25% resist bonus, but a variable 5-25% DPS bonus. In that regard, it's more like a Prophecy than a Harbinger. I admit, it wouldn't be much of a stretch to change the model for those two, but if I had to pick a hull without changing the current stats, it's be tier 1 in both cases.
As for proposals for T2 tier 2 BCs, the most common I can recall is an all-in-one exploration ship. This has sort of been supplanted by tech 3, but it might still work. A quick Eve Search of F+I shows ideas for T2 tier 2 BCs that can nerf inbound RR on the target, command extra POS guns, boost fleet resists, and that's just on the first page. And of course, in the time between my last post and this one, someone proposed a gang-bonus-at-distance ship for this slot. I'm not a huge fan of most of these, but this is an oft-requested ship class, and there has been a hell of a lot of ideas thrown around for it over the years. You do not need to reassign hulls in order to get T2 variants of those ships, you just need to pick the least-crazy idea on F+I and go forward with it.
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.14 05:12:00 -
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Stop looking at the ship class and determining how it operates by looking at its T1 bonuses. Look how each of those ships is piloted and then tell me they resemble the T1 version. This game isn't played on EFT for a reason. --
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.07.14 07:48:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Druallis I would really like it if the texture and model for the combat version of each races command ship had its texture and model changed to resemble that of the Teir 2 version of the Battlecruiser. I know there are many out there that agree with me, so let's see what kind of support we can get in here.
Mayhaps you should learn a bit about the ships, models, and their cosmetic interactions before making a purely cosmetic proposal.
Hint: look at the Astarte and look at the Myrmidon. ----
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2009.07.14 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Druallis Stop looking at the ship class and determining how it operates by looking at its T1 bonuses. Look how each of those ships is piloted and then tell me they resemble the T1 version. This game isn't played on EFT for a reason.
They're flown more like the tier-2, because as far as I can tell there aren't a whole lot of people who fly Prophecies and Cyclones at all to compare them to. That doesn't imply that the model ought to be changed.
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.14 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin
Originally by: Marcus Druallis I would really like it if the texture and model for the combat version of each races command ship had its texture and model changed to resemble that of the Teir 2 version of the Battlecruiser. I know there are many out there that agree with me, so let's see what kind of support we can get in here.
Mayhaps you should learn a bit about the ships, models, and their cosmetic interactions before making a purely cosmetic proposal.
Hint: look at the Astarte and look at the Myrmidon.
OK so 1 out of 4 does not directly apply. --
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.14 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
Originally by: Marcus Druallis Stop looking at the ship class and determining how it operates by looking at its T1 bonuses. Look how each of those ships is piloted and then tell me they resemble the T1 version. This game isn't played on EFT for a reason.
They're flown more like the tier-2, because as far as I can tell there aren't a whole lot of people who fly Prophecies and Cyclones at all to compare them to. That doesn't imply that the model ought to be changed.
The prophecy is a tanking boat unlike the harbinger which is a gank boat. THe cyclone is much more of a tanking boat (like the claymore) than that of the hurricane. Also, the hurricane, like the sleipnir, tends to be somewhat speed fitted while have MUCH more gank. How are you not seeing this... --
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2009.07.15 00:16:00 -
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If CCP do this you can bet the Claymore will end up in the Hurricane hull.
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.15 05:00:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana If CCP do this you can bet the Claymore will end up in the Hurricane hull.
And on what do you base this statement? --
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