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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.07.16 11:16:00 -
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1) Because you don't want to train other races does not mean you should get more powerful.
2) Did you train you racial titan and all the pre-requirements to 5? No? Then it's you not willing to progress your character any more, the game has no fault. - Auditing and consulting
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Marcus Xavier
Minmatar Xavier Institute for Higher Learning
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Posted - 2009.07.16 11:21:00 -
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I just turned three early this month and I agree with the OP. I'll take either Spidey Sense or Telekinetic Powers, please. ---------------- Mutatis Mutandis |
Jim Hazard
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Posted - 2009.07.16 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha 1) Because you don't want to train other races does not mean you should get more powerful.
2) Did you train you racial titan and all the pre-requirements to 5? No? Then it's you not willing to progress your character any more, the game has no fault.
Well let me put it like that. One of the things that keeps ppl playing eve is that you can keep developing your characters. BUT: My main reached level 90/90 for his profession and i have nothing left to do.
The points you are making are total bull****.... When in other games a mage would have a chance to train using a sword, still no1 would do it cause i would just not play a mage when i want to run arround with a sword....
Same counts for me in eve... i got my skills to fullfill my role at the current maximum and i do not see any reason why i should train anything else, except for the reason that i have NO CHOICE.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.16 11:31:00 -
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As someone who's been playing for nearly six years, you might expect me to agree with the OP.
But I don't. Veteran characters already have enough advantages.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.07.16 11:32:00 -
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Congratulations Jim, you just found out that limiting yourself to the character classes mindset in EVE is a stupid thing to do. -------- Ideas for: Mining
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.07.16 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar Congratulations Jim, you just found out that limiting yourself to the character classes mindset in EVE is a stupid thing to do.
^^ This, and lol.
I was going to make the argument that vets understand EVE better and get enormous advantages from this fact alone, but the OP somehow managed to disprove that without even trying… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Jim Hazard
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Posted - 2009.07.16 11:51:00 -
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Edited by: Jim Hazard on 16/07/2009 11:54:10
Originally by: Abrazzar Congratulations Jim, you just found out that limiting yourself to the character classes mindset in EVE is a stupid thing to do.
well maybe i did not put it clearly enough. I still like eve and i would never quit it because of something like that, all i am saying is that i would like to have options to keep specialising my chars. You just act as if just new players are allowed to ask for new stuff and vets can not have their opinion.
And its not that i really limit myself to the character class mindset... the 90/90 comment just should show a picture that for what i like to do with eve my char is maxed out. And well... i still do train my char even when i train ships/equipment i do not like to use... The point just is.. every1 has his own playing style... some ppl like hacs, some ppl like battleships and others like fighting in capital ships.
All i say is that it would be a motivation and good thing for vets if there still would be the choice of either getting more flexible or keep specialising.
It does not even need to be an insanly high bonus... for example: give me a Rank 10 skill which needs a ton of other skills to level 5 but increases my damage output for my amarr battleships by 1% per level. It will take very long for very little profit, but it i still have the choice to invest several month to get another 5% bonus.
I am not asking for something that makes me able to go and kill a 20 man gang on my own.... all i want is to have the same choice to spacialise OR crosstrain.. just like any new player has.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2009.07.16 12:23:00 -
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Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 16/07/2009 12:24:17
I soberly agree to that I should be a superbeing with ultimate godlike powers to my disposal.
10/10: would like to read again.
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL |
Blasphemour
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Posted - 2009.07.16 13:08:00 -
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so because someone CHOOSES to specialize in 1 single profession CCP should add all kind of new stuff in the game, so he can keep on specializing in that single profession. You choose to focus on one aspect of the game, heck, you'll run into it's borders. There is only so much you can do with one path in the game. There are loads of people who decide to train a second profession when they are coming to the edge of their main profession. I understand your point but I don't think it is 100% valid since there is so much else to do in the game. If you don't want to do it, your choice.
And yes, I'm training up to be an industrialist/miner, it might take me longer to get on par with veterans in PVP. But I did not say I only want to do PVP and also did not say I have only trained industry/mining. I meant to but when I actually started the game I found out all the other aspects of the game which are even more appealing to me then fighting people and getting my ships blown up just for the fun of it. I do not see the point in flying a big bad battleship when I cannot afford to buy and fit a new one if I lose it. The biggest combat worthy ship I have now is a cruiser and it does the job I want it to do now. If I want something else I'll train for it. A guy I talk to regularly in the game has started the game around the same time I have (which is sinds May this year). Since then he has lost over 60 ships because he focusses on PVP only and cannot match the older players. He hardly has any ISK to burn since he needs to buy and refit ships all the time. Meanwhile I have not lost a single ship because I choose not to seak the fights I know I cannot win and save up alot of ISK so that when I do choose to fight and lose a ship I have no problem buying a new one and fit it as I like.
Like I said, the older players have enough advantage because of their experience and should have enough ISK so they can fit all the expensive stuff Eve has to offer. I don't think things should be added just because a few people choose not to train anything else but one of the many possible professions available. But this is just my opinion :)
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Hoodlums Associates
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Posted - 2009.07.16 13:32:00 -
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Dear OP,
I see you are in need of one of these to gain an edge over others. Please leave it in the ON position before egaging in eve related activities.
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Black Leather
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Posted - 2009.07.16 16:40:00 -
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Character maxed?
Nothing else to train for?
This sir, is your end game. You have won EVE. \O/
Only thing left to do is biomass yourself and start over.
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Illwill Bill
Svea Rike Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.16 17:09:00 -
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8/10
This thread delivers.
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Caltila
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Posted - 2009.07.16 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Illwill Bill 8/10
This thread delivers.
Sure, it delivers like a stoned pizza boy
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Jim Hazard
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Posted - 2009.07.16 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Black Leather Character maxed?
Nothing else to train for?
This sir, is your end game. You have won EVE. \O/
Only thing left to do is biomass yourself and start over.
I never said i have every single skill on level 5.. I just do not see any reason to skill industry skills when i will never sit in a mining ship / build stuff or do anything like that.
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To the question why ccp should add stuff for older players.. well lets look at it the other way arround.. why not?
If you do not care about possibilities to keep developing your char we can just roll back to 2003 where we had 4 ship classes. Not even nearly as many skills as we have now. Considering some ppls arguments there never was a need to add new ships/equipment to the game. At that time there already were enough skills to train to be busy for a few years.. so why add stuff at all? Well my reply to that is: to keep things interesting for new and old players.
Of course you gotta be careful with adding stuff for older players, as it would be boring to be as good as invulnerable as well. I personally just would like to have the chance to keep developing in the area i am interested, but surely the world of eve is not going to end for me when it does not happen.
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Dapto
Minmatar Dissolution Of Eternity
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Posted - 2009.07.16 17:46:00 -
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To the 2003/5 veteran player the EMPIRE has bestowed you the "Medal of Honor" for your long standing servitude and scarcrifice.
The Empire would also take this opportunity to give you notice that your services are no longer required and you are to be terminated forwith. You may however be put into cryogentic sleep and should the EMPIRE require your skills in the future you will be thawed and reanimated. Should this be not suitable, you will be bio massed to make room for young new blood.
Signed EXECUTOR on behalf of AMARR, CALDARI, GALLENTE, MINMATAR EMPIRES. Dapto |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.07.16 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Hazard To the question why ccp should add stuff for older players.. well lets look at it the other way arround.. why not?
Doesn't quite work that way.
Adding stuff that has no purpose to the game serves no purpose (this statement has been brought to you by the Department of Redundancy Department).
If you want more stuff added, you need to find a purpose for it to be in the game. Why do we need it? What role does it fill? What hole does it fill so it doesn't obsolete existing stuff? If you attack the problem from that angle, you can start arguing for it because "because I want something to train for" isn't really a useful route.
"Why not?" can always be answered by "because it isn't needed" until you show that it is, in fact, needed. You need to show the "why" because "why not" is trivial to refute. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Amitious Turkey
Gallente TarNec New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.07.16 17:58:00 -
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Very new players SHOULD be able to compete with older players.
Eve is more about the person in the chair, not the character on the screen. And, personally, I like it that way. I like to see a noob totally own an experienced player... because that means the experienced player is also still learning, not ingame skills, but playing skills. ingame skills only determine what stuffz you can use (and a bit of an edge if you train them to higher levels), and that is how it should stay Established characters, while they have less reason to train, still have a reason to play. If they totally own people JUST because they have better skills, soon you have the older players leaving. Once you train those level 6 and 7 skills and can own most of the people in the game, what's left?
Like your battleship comparison. That five-year old BS pilot already has an advantage over a novice pilot- his gaming experience. But if the novice has a card up his sleeve that the other guy hasn't seen before...he should be allowed to use it and not be totally BBQed by the guy JUST because he has uber level 6 and 7 skills, like the other MMOs have out there (like, dare I say it, WoW. A higher level character would totally own a lower level character even if the lower level guy is a better gamer). Your idea is well-meaning, but I don't agree with it. Eve actually gives a chance to the newbies My sig was fail, but now it isn't.
Originally by: CCP Navigator We love you all as well <3
GO NAVIGATOR <3 |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.07.16 18:22:00 -
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Want moar power as a vet? Use multiple accounts.
Originally by: Vaden Khale He's doing the moonwalk in HEE-hee-hell.
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Carniflex
Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project
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Posted - 2009.07.16 20:25:00 -
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But I am. I have big hairy friends who like bright flashes in space and if that is not enough then I can throw isk at the problem. To some extent. I'm not THAT old player yet.
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Fobiah
Altruism. Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.07.16 20:59:00 -
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Since when do OLD FARTS get benefits? If anything you should get penalized the longer you've been here.
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Carniflex
Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project
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Posted - 2009.07.16 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Fobiah Since when do OLD FARTS get benefits? If anything you should get penalized the longer you've been here.
But I do. My clones cost me 20 mil a pop.
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Haakelen
Gallente Nation of Muppets
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Posted - 2009.07.16 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Fobiah Since when do OLD FARTS get benefits? If anything you should get penalized the longer you've been here.
You do get penalized the longer you play Eve. You realize you've played Eve for a long time.
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Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.07.16 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Hazard Edited by: Jim Hazard on 16/07/2009 11:54:10
Originally by: Abrazzar Congratulations Jim, you just found out that limiting yourself to the character classes mindset in EVE is a stupid thing to do.
well maybe i did not put it clearly enough. I still like eve and i would never quit it because of something like that, all i am saying is that i would like to have options to keep specialising my chars. You just act as if just new players are allowed to ask for new stuff and vets can not have their opinion.
And its not that i really limit myself to the character class mindset... the 90/90 comment just should show a picture that for what i like to do with eve my char is maxed out. And well... i still do train my char even when i train ships/equipment i do not like to use... The point just is.. every1 has his own playing style... some ppl like hacs, some ppl like battleships and others like fighting in capital ships.
All i say is that it would be a motivation and good thing for vets if there still would be the choice of either getting more flexible or keep specialising.
It does not even need to be an insanly high bonus... for example: give me a Rank 10 skill which needs a ton of other skills to level 5 but increases my damage output for my amarr battleships by 1% per level. It will take very long for very little profit, but it i still have the choice to invest several month to get another 5% bonus.
I am not asking for something that makes me able to go and kill a 20 man gang on my own.... all i want is to have the same choice to spacialise OR crosstrain.. just like any new player has.
So what happens when you train to Rank X and you make another post about how you want to specialize more? There should be no need to train the same set of skills over and over again, just pick a random skill and throw it on the training list. You arn't losing anything, and you are just as advanced as you would be with more specialization. ________________________________________________
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Shidhe
Minmatar The Babylon5 Consortuim
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Posted - 2009.07.16 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake As someone who's been playing for nearly six years, you might expect me to agree with the OP.
But I don't. Veteran characters already have enough advantages.
I may be a bit younger, and he may be Amarr, but I still say that he speaks the truth. This is a PvP game - we cant afford a huge gap in abilities.
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SK Rooster
Gallente No Trademark
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Posted - 2009.07.16 23:36:00 -
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Originally by: Bistot Kid My gunnery skills are generally maxed out to lvl 4 in the advanced stuff
Originally by: Merriam-Webster Main Entry: max out Function: verb intransitive verb : to reach an upper limit or a peak
level 4 is not maxed out
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Huge Bruno
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.07.16 23:56:00 -
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We all know that when CCP runs out of ideas they will just add level 6 to all skills...
Seriously tho, what sort of "advantage" should new players have over vets? Think of learning new skills as getting access to certain stuff, you can train your 6month old char to become one helluva good pvp'r if you focus-train it for something specific. But you won't actually learn how to use it properly before you actually get out there and spend some time with the game, that is the "advantage" vets have over new players - and you can't do anything about it, except dumb down the game so much that it doesn't matter how many SP or how many skills you have. And that would essentially destroy the game.
If you gave new players any more advantages than they already have (100% skilltraining speedbonus ++) it would be unfair to the people who have spent a lot of time on this game.
Lastly I want to say that most people find being a part of a corp/alliance that is doing stuff and feeling like they are your friends is a lot more rewarding than any skill or grind. If this is what you're looking for but can't find it, I suggest you go play tetris or something because if you can't find companionship and something to do in this game - it's not for you....
PS. Flamebait is yummy
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Varden Gage
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.17 00:57:00 -
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No one said anything about giving older players an "I win" button any such nonsense, so we can dispense with that BS. What was stated clearly in the OP was that it would be nice if older players could continue to develop their characters' chosen profession. And it was also clearly stated that the idea ought to be in keeping with CCP's concept of diminishing returns, thus none of these new skills would give some kind of huge edge.
Or are some of you naive enough to believe that CCP's grand plan for EVE is to never ever ever introduce any new skills? At some point there probably will be tech 3 battleships and, perhaps, we might even see tech 3 capitals one day. I have yet to hear any compelling reason why we shouldn't see that. And, it should be noted, this does seem to be the direction CCP appears to be headed anyway. Players who have characters that are 5+ years old have put a ton of money into CCP's pockets, and it's not entirely unreasonable to expect that a minimal amount of new content will become available at some point. Is the game broken without it? Certainly not. It's just something that would be nice.
Again, such hypothetical skills ought not be overpowered because the concerns about 150th level wizards running around are probably well founded. But a few well thought out advanced skills for high level characters isn't going to break EVE. On the contrary, it's going to keep the game interesting for all and give characters another potential long term goal.
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Dapto
Minmatar Dissolution Of Eternity
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Posted - 2009.07.17 06:28:00 -
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I cant wait for BLack Prophecy to start finally a space game that rewards you for how much you play not how long you've been paying. Dapto |
baltec1
Antares Shipyards Hoodlums Associates
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Posted - 2009.07.17 08:26:00 -
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So Jim have you tried taking over a large section of 0.0 and been successfull? Have you built up a lucrative trade route? Have you tried becomming a pirate and killed cat?
The thing with eve is that it is what you make of it. Most of the things that happen are down to the players rather than CCP who just give us tools to have fun. WH are a good example, I love them but there are others who flee in terror at the thought of not having local and see a pirate behind every asteroid.
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Dapto
Minmatar Dissolution Of Eternity
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Posted - 2009.07.17 08:33:00 -
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Edited by: Dapto on 17/07/2009 08:33:43 The thing with eve is that it is what you make of it. Most of the things that happen are down to the players rather than CCP who just give us tools to have fun. WH are a good example, I love them but there are others who flee in terror at the thought of not having local and see a pirate behind every asteroid.
Baltec1 been doing Worm Holes since inception but now with the price crash on the market if it continues will the reward vs risk be worth it? I guess we'll have to wait and see. As you've probably noticed the price of T1 ships, mods going up WH's looks like missing the mark. Dapto |
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