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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.07.20 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: Tender Trap Classic, EVE is infested with mediocrity
Apparently. I mean, you're here after all… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Ras Blumin
Mutated Miners Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.20 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero Player A has 35$ and 0Million Isks.
Player B Has 0$ and 350mill Isks. Player C has 0$ and 350mill Isks.
Player A buys GTC for 35$, splits into two PLEX, sells one to each player B and C.
Now:
Player A has 0$, 700million Isk. Player B has 0$, and 0mill Isks. Player C has 0$, and 0mill Isks. CCP has +35$
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If it were not for the PLEX demand that player B and C create CCP would not even get the $35 in the first place.
Right. The ISK demand from player A causes 700m isk to enter the game as well though (assuming the isk was gained via an activity that add isks to the game).
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.07.20 23:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ras Blumin (assuming the isk was gained via an activity that add isks to the game).
That's a bit redundant, isn't it? All ISK in the game is gained from activites that add ISK to the game, after all… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Alex Raptos
Caldari Phoenix Rising.
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Posted - 2009.07.20 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Tender Trap CCP gets roughly 5 dolars or more extra compaired to a credit card payment method, so yes CCP does profit from timcard/plex sales.
Blane Xero are you accusing Agony Unleashed, Agony Empire of fabricating kill-mails, LMAO. Agony under Rells was a true l33t organization, sadly many of EVE's true Hardcore pilots have left due to disgust with CCP's desire to cater to the masses, you know kinda like most of the guys in this thread, lol.
Classic, EVE is infested with mediocrity, if there was a Gaming God he would bring back EVE classic.
Blane Here, unfortunately i am unable to continue this discussion with blane but i shall here.
Killmails do not report involved parties if you have cleared the session since you have taken damage. They also used to have a tendency of reporting only the "killing blow" ship at times.
Also, you cannot broaden things saying "Everyone in Agony unleashed/empire is up-standing and would never fabricate anything" I could post a lossmail on battleclinic right now stating some guy in Agony killed your titan using nothing more than a pod. Doesn't mean it happened and doesn't mean either of you were involved.
Originally by: Dirk Magnum I've become gay for Mark Harmon despite my initial reservations about the show NCIS but nobody will ever know
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Haakelen
Gallente Nation of Muppets
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Posted - 2009.07.20 23:38:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Ras Blumin (assuming the isk was gained via an activity that add isks to the game).
That's a bit redundant, isn't it? All ISK in the game is gained from activites that add ISK to the game, after allà
I'd wager that the GTC trade actually keeps ISK out of the game. If the seller couldn't sell the GTC, they'd have to grind the ISK themselves, too. Yeah, some people wouldn't grind the ISK to buy the GTCs if the trade didn't exist, but I'm betting that a lot of people would still be doing it, and there'd be more inflation.
Luckily, however, it would all still be a pretend internet spaceship economy and wouldn't matter to anyone at all.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.07.20 23:46:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 20/07/2009 23:47:27
Originally by: Haakelen I'd wager that the GTC trade actually keeps ISK out of the game. If the seller couldn't sell the GTC, they'd have to grind the ISK themselves, too. Yeah, some people wouldn't grind the ISK to buy the GTCs if the trade didn't exist, but I'm betting that a lot of people would still be doing it, and there'd be more inflation.
Luckily, however, it would all still be a pretend internet spaceship economy and wouldn't matter to anyone at all.
Either way, it certainly makes things a lot easier for CCP when it comes to keeping tabs on the ISK balance in the game, both in terms of who owns what (and why) and in terms of how faucets and sinks counter each other, and it lets them retain customers that would otherwise be long gone as a bonus.
As an "economic wiretapping" device, it's quite clever. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Ras Blumin
Mutated Miners Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.20 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia All ISK in the game is gained from activites that add ISK to the game, after allà
If looking at the economy as a whole, yes, but at the personal level, industry (barring ship production) and some trading does not add isk to the game. It removes a bit, actually (sales tax, broker fees, installation fees, bpo costs etc).
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Zaerlorth Maelkor
The Maverick Navy Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.21 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Darion Amador It doesnt matter who gets the money for the plex cards tho. The thing is, that in the consumers eyes, isk is spawned out of no where when he sells a PLEX. And if you fail to see the negative sides of that, then i dunnno what to say.
LOL You can not seriously be this ignorant! Trolling from a main... New concept!
10/10 However, you might want to consider a few things, first of all; I now have one of those annoying sigs. second; you should probably move on to some more interesting things than reading this sig.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.07.21 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Nah, you just got used to my way of thinking
You've STOPPED using capitals to emphasis OBVIOUS points. And your verbosity is seriously down.
Are you okay?
Oh, and to those people who think that selling a PLEX for ISK just magically generates ISK out of thin air... why aren't you complaining that selling a Kronos generates ISK out of thin air too? After all, you just list it on the market for sale and *bam* there's 900M ISK in your wallet!
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Rastigan
Caldari Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.07.21 01:21:00 -
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Edited by: Rastigan on 21/07/2009 01:21:42
Quote:
Player A has 35$ and 0Million Isks.
Player B Has 0$ and 350mill Isks. Player C has 0$ and 350mill Isks.
Player A buys GTC for 35$, splits into two PLEX, sells one to each player B and C. Now: Player A has 0$, 700million Isk. Player B has 0$, and 0mill Isks. Player C has 0$, and 0mill Isks. CCP has +35$ Net result? Nothing changed in the ingame economy as no isk was added, and CCP (or shattered crystal, battleclinic, etc) gets moar money In real life. No isk was added to the ingame economy and thus no isk was spawned out of nowhere.
Originally by: Graisse
CCP gets the ammount of 3 monthly fees. $ to PLEX transaction doesen't change that, this is why it doesen't add any more that 3 monthly pays to CCP. CCP doesen't get an extra 35$.
Player B and Player C get paid by player A to play this game via the exhcange of isk for subscription time, wihthout the ability to play the game for "free" with ISK many people who otherwise play Eve would not be playing, and Eve's player base would be much smaller. In turn Eve's time based character skill system allows people with limited playing time to be able to earn quick Isk via Plexes and keeps them: a) happy and subscribing to Eve b) keeps the above players who sell their isk for game time playing Eve.
The Plex/Timecard sales system is pretty damned brilliant IMHO, and since both time and isk are evntually consumed, the price of Plexes and alue of ISK are fairly stable (no inflation) untill something major happens to isk generation. Its also in CCP's interest for you to burn through a certain amount if ISK in risk to control inflation.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.07.21 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: Rastigan wihthout the ability to play the game for "free" with ISK many people who otherwise play Eve would not be playing, and Eve's player base would be much smaller. In turn Eve's time based character skill system allows people with limited playing time to be able to earn quick Isk via Plexes and keeps them: a) happy and subscribing to Eve b) keeps the above players who sell their isk for game time playing Eve.
Although it irks me to admit it, I agree with a Goon :P
How many subscriptions are paid by ISK? How many of those subscriptions are alts used for POS maintenance, cyno, jump freighters, or any number of other "non productive" role? How many of those alts would still be around if the owners had to spend RL money to maintain the account?
Some people would argue that cyno alts should be banned, and they'd probably also argue that one player should be limited to one character.
My opinion is that everyone plays the game the way they can afford to.
PLEX do not lead to economic imbalance, they simply serve to pump ISK around the economy.
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Mankirks Wife
Caldari Space Furry Association
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Posted - 2009.07.21 02:07:00 -
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Edited by: Mankirks Wife on 21/07/2009 02:08:00 I've been selling GTCs here and there for quite a while now. Here's how I see it:
Right now PLEX cost about 330 mil on contracts.
So, 22 million ISK = 1 dollar.
That's about what a decent missioner makes in an hour, so..
Unless you make less than $1 / hr IRL it's more time efficient to put in an extra hour or two grinding your RL job for your virtual cash. Unless you're loaded because you own a dysprosium moon or something, in which case the reverse is true and you get a free subscription. Or just really love missions. --- |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.07.21 02:39:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn You've STOPPED using capitals to emphasis OBVIOUS points. And your verbosity is seriously down. Are you okay?
Genki levels critical, I require more Vespean coffee Meh, been worse.
EVE issues|Mining revamp|Build stuff|Make ISK |
Awesome Possum
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.07.21 02:50:00 -
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Dear moron troll feeders, if it hasn't become apparent by now...
This thread was started by a representative of an ISK selling website.
Right now the ISK:$ / ú / Ç is maintained by in game market demand for plex.
Roughly, isk via plex costs 24mill per dollar. From some random website its 15mill per dollar.
They want the plex system gone so they can raise their prices and make money.
Supporting the termination of the GTC/PLEX program is support for RMT and terrorism.
Don't let the terrorists win. ♥
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Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.07.21 02:52:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum Dear moron troll feeders, if it hasn't become apparent by now...
This thread was started by a representative of an ISK selling website.
Right now the ISK:$ / ú / Ç is maintained by in game market demand for plex.
Roughly, isk via plex costs 24mill per dollar. From some random website its 15mill per dollar.
They want the plex system gone so they can raise their prices and make money.
Supporting the termination of the GTC/PLEX program is support for RMT and terrorism.
Don't let the terrorists win.
Also piracy, can't forget them. ________________________________________________
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Awesome Possum
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.07.21 02:58:00 -
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But I support piracy. ♥
Wreck Disposal Services |
Junko Togawa
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.07.21 05:30:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Note: Tender Trap isn't L33t.
Yeah, it's a troll. But even if it wasn't, l33t is about attitude, not skill.
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Slightly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.07.21 05:58:00 -
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Originally by: Junko Togawa
Originally by: Malcanis
Note: Tender Trap isn't L33t.
Yeah, it's a troll. But even if it wasn't, l33t is about attitude, not skill.
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Junko Togawa
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.07.21 06:27:00 -
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Originally by: F'nog
Originally by: Junko Togawa
Originally by: Malcanis
Note: Tender Trap isn't L33t.
Yeah, it's a troll. But even if it wasn't, l33t is about attitude, not skill.
I thought it was about spe11ing.
Ah, but that's part of the @++i+00d.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.07.21 06:41:00 -
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Originally by: Junko Togawa
Originally by: Malcanis
Note: Tender Trap isn't L33t.
Yeah, it's a troll. But even if it wasn't, l33t is about attitude, not skill.
Note: Tender Trap isn't L33t
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Taua Roqa
Minmatar Planet Roqa
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Posted - 2009.07.21 06:51:00 -
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fukken aluminium barons ruining my fukken game
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