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QwaarJet
Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.07.21 09:25:00 -
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Apologies for the rantings and raving of my previous posts. Was furious yesterday. Less so today.
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Rozanos
tr0pa de elite Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.07.21 10:10:00 -
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Well, thank god for short PMS cycles. |
Sirius A
StarFleet Enterprises StarFleet Federation
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Posted - 2009.07.21 13:48:00 -
[123]
How about a voting system say for 10 slots for "who you want to see in tourney?"
Oh btw, StarFleet Federation has the 1st reserved slot...contact me if your interested in it.
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Rozanos
tr0pa de elite Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.07.21 13:56:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Sirius A How about a voting system say for 10 slots for "who you want to see in tourney?"
Totally a great idea, because then the 5200 Goon Members would vote for? Can you guess it? And the 2700 Morsus Mihi members will pick ... lemme see, oh yea, there it is: them friggin selves. You'd basically have the same setup as you got on CSM, so what would be the point in that?
Large alliances have mostly epicly failed in the recent tournaments anyway and as such I like the random selection idea. Randomness/Luck is impartial at least. |
Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.07.21 17:42:00 -
[125]
The lineup looks good, and I'm all for letting smaller less known alliances be part of the tournament lineup. I think it's a great idea.
It sucks though, when the larger more prominent alliances in game are pushed out because people decide to create alliances specifically to compete with no real history or structure to them. It also makes it hard for the Expert team to really speak about the alliances formed for this purpose as they have no identifiable history or real achievements.
In my opinion the format is great, but there should be a minimum active age of say, 12 months (this doesn't include alliances that are just left with a holding corp paying the bills) and a minimum average member count over that period of 75-100 members for an alliance to be eligible to compete.
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Rozanos
tr0pa de elite Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.07.21 17:54:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Verone In my opinion the format is great, but there should be a minimum active age of say, 12 months (this doesn't include alliances that are just left with a holding corp paying the bills) and a minimum average member count over that period of 75-100 members for an alliance to be eligible to compete.
Agree with some sort of filter, but then I'd much rather see a filter that is based on PVP performance, since the competing teams are gonna fight each other, not test who can mine most veldspar in 15 min. So with CCP's awesome MS DB's it should be easy to filter out all alliances that have had less than say X kills per member average per month.
This way you factor activity in, you factor size out and everyone should be happy. Well,.. except Morsus Mihi probably. |
Friedrick Psitalon
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.07.21 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Verone The lineup looks good, and I'm all for letting smaller less known alliances be part of the tournament lineup. I think it's a great idea.
It sucks though, when the larger more prominent alliances in game are pushed out because people decide to create alliances specifically to compete with no real history or structure to them. It also makes it hard for the Expert team to really speak about the alliances formed for this purpose as they have no identifiable history or real achievements.
In my opinion the format is great, but there should be a minimum active age of say, 12 months (this doesn't include alliances that are just left with a holding corp paying the bills) and a minimum average member count over that period of 75-100 members for an alliance to be eligible to compete.
I was going to say something like this. Verone says it well, though. I've got not problem with large or small alliances getting in, but it would be nice to shut out the "alliance-auctioneers." One year old and fifty pilots or so is a good cutline. (And yes, ironically, this would kick my own alliance out, and I'd be fine with that if the auctioneers went with me, even though we're very much preparing for the tournament.)
Random's okay - we just need to filter the random a bit.
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bloody johnroberts
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.07.21 18:41:00 -
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i wish every alliance that turns up and fights the best of luck
there are some nice draws
and personnal i hope that the slot sellers get there fingers burnt and lose the 2bil
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MrBigstar
Caldari Corporation 12345 Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.07.21 19:25:00 -
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I have to agree with Verone aswell, makes it more enjoyable to watch real alliances battle it out and no they should not give guaranteed spots to people with alot of space or members just try and avoid getting alt/sellers into the tourney.
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Aya
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.07.21 19:47:00 -
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I would like to see the people selling their slots lose the 2 bil, and an alternate team gets bumped up into their place.
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Blazde
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.07.21 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Minigin which is notorious for viewing pvp as a chore which you "take breaks from to relax"
You're misinformed and you should be careful saying things like this lest it tarnish your standing as one of EVE's foremost geniuses.
We take regular breaks from pos warfare to relax doing small/medium gang warfare instead, which also helps us stay sharp at that aspect of the game. Tri knows more than anyone how tough full-scale capital wars are (or do you want to discuss your breaks too ) and though RAWR handles those stresses a lot better we still don't like to do it all the time. Better to mix it up and be great at all aspects of pvp. And yea, as mentioned already RAWR has a very solid history in the alliance tournament.
It does amuse me a lot that so many are overjoyed at us being denied entry to the tournie. Obviously we've been doing something right to anger you so deeply that you care this much. I'm flattered. But it doesn't quite make up for not being in it. _
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Orree
Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition
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Posted - 2009.07.21 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Aya I would like to see the people selling their slots lose the 2 bil, and an alternate team gets bumped up into their place.
Me too.
"How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli |
Rozanos
tr0pa de elite Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.07.21 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Orree
Originally by: Aya I would like to see the people selling their slots lose the 2 bil, and an alternate team gets bumped up into their place.
Me too.
I don't. Not because I like the concept, but because it would be divine intervention and that goes against the idea of EVE as a sandbox. So far I have seen 2 "alliances" offer their spot, allowing the buyer to get a corp in the alliance and participate. Its kinda semi-legit and if CCP doesn't explicitly forbid it (beforehand), then there is not much they can do about it I'd guess. People sell standings to NPC corps, Alliance creation and so on for years, which is methodwise very similiar to this.
Lets hope some of those guys won't be able to sell or bow out somewhat gracefully and open spots for guys like ATLAS, IRC or Electus Matari. But I'm afraid thats wishful thinking.
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bloody johnroberts
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.07.21 20:44:00 -
[134]
me too but ccp allow this
and too be honest ccp claw and his pink hat have got what they want an alliance tourney that has become an isk lottery
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Brea Tharen
Minmatar Red Hand Squadron
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Posted - 2009.07.21 20:51:00 -
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I thought you guys were done crying.
I have tried to open up a good discourse on this, but to be honest I think I'll just lay my cards on the table.
MM, shut up. Its a random selection, and you didn't get in.... buy a slot, or shut up.
Also, if you guys hadn't had a fail attempt at signing up last time, you could have gotten a reserved slot.
Enough with the crying and the "its not a tournament without us" attitude. Its amusing, but only in a egotistical fail kinda way.
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bloody johnroberts
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.07.21 20:56:00 -
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lol
you bitter about something this was a thread about the tourney
not about your personal hatred of mm still never mind
have a nice day
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Optical Illusion
Minmatar Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.07.21 21:24:00 -
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NC tears are the best tears
You would only epic fail anyway MM, numbers mean nothing in the tourny.
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bloody johnroberts
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.07.21 21:33:00 -
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once again i say good luck to all the teams entering
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Intigo
Amarr Endemic Aggression Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.07.21 21:44:00 -
[139]
Originally by: bloody johnroberts once again i say good luck to all the teams entering
You should take a hint from QwaarJet and stop posting.
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saangocaste
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Posted - 2009.07.21 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Blazde
Originally by: Minigin which is notorious for viewing pvp as a chore which you "take breaks from to relax"
You're misinformed and you should be careful saying things like this lest it tarnish your standing as one of EVE's foremost geniuses.
We take regular breaks from pos warfare to relax doing small/medium gang warfare instead, which also helps us stay sharp at that aspect of the game. Tri knows more than anyone how tough full-scale capital wars are (or do you want to discuss your breaks too ) and though RAWR handles those stresses a lot better we still don't like to do it all the time. Better to mix it up and be great at all aspects of pvp. And yea, as mentioned already RAWR has a very solid history in the alliance tournament.
It does amuse me a lot that so many are overjoyed at us being denied entry to the tournie. Obviously we've been doing something right to anger you so deeply that you care this much. I'm flattered. But it doesn't quite make up for not being in it.
I think most people are tired of the greed that secretes from everything MM and the rest of the NC does. You will get no sympathy from anyone when your only goal in this game is to take everything for yourself and leave nothing for anyone else. Regardless if they are your blues or not its rare that MM gives anything to its pet list and is often on more quests to fatten their wallets at the expense of other players in the Eve community (backstabbing included). But your the good guys in this game right? One thing like the Alliance Tournament doesnt go your way and the egocentric attitude often exerted by MM and Fredo alike comes pouring out on these forums..
Game doesnt revolve around you, most of Eve believes your coalition is whats wrong with this game. Stop crying because you werent invited, and thinking this game has somehow wronged you. Goons had the same attitude when they felt the need to threatnaught CCP because they couldnt kill BoB. Most of the people in the Eve community are tired of seeing the whiny attitudes of NC and goons alike when something doesnt go their way. That is why people are glad you are not in the Alliance Tournament.
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Optical Illusion
Minmatar Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.07.21 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: saangocaste
Originally by: Blazde
Originally by: Minigin which is notorious for viewing pvp as a chore which you "take breaks from to relax"
You're misinformed and you should be careful saying things like this lest it tarnish your standing as one of EVE's foremost geniuses.
We take regular breaks from pos warfare to relax doing small/medium gang warfare instead, which also helps us stay sharp at that aspect of the game. Tri knows more than anyone how tough full-scale capital wars are (or do you want to discuss your breaks too ) and though RAWR handles those stresses a lot better we still don't like to do it all the time. Better to mix it up and be great at all aspects of pvp. And yea, as mentioned already RAWR has a very solid history in the alliance tournament.
It does amuse me a lot that so many are overjoyed at us being denied entry to the tournie. Obviously we've been doing something right to anger you so deeply that you care this much. I'm flattered. But it doesn't quite make up for not being in it.
I think most people are tired of the greed that secretes from everything MM and the rest of the NC does. You will get no sympathy from anyone when your only goal in this game is to take everything for yourself and leave nothing for anyone else. Regardless if they are your blues or not its rare that MM gives anything to its pet list and is often on more quests to fatten their wallets at the expense of other players in the Eve community (backstabbing included). But your the good guys in this game right? One thing like the Alliance Tournament doesnt go your way and the egocentric attitude often exerted by MM and Fredo alike comes pouring out on these forums..
Game doesnt revolve around you, most of Eve believes your coalition is whats wrong with this game. Stop crying because you werent invited, and thinking this game has somehow wronged you. Goons had the same attitude when they felt the need to threatnaught CCP because they couldnt kill BoB. Most of the people in the Eve community are tired of seeing the whiny attitudes of NC and goons alike when something doesnt go their way. That is why people are glad you are not in the Alliance Tournament.
if i had the patience or inteligence to write this i wouldn't have put it much differently.
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Ari Chu
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.07.21 22:38:00 -
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Whether the NC is the great evil or not doesn't really matter in this thread. You could easily agree that MM can die in a fire, but still wish to have seen CVA in the alliance tourney.
Existing, Developed Alliances should participate in the Alliance tournament, just as up and coming and even well known entities. There are ideas posted in the thread about how to better represent Alliances so that the experience is as good as it can be, limitations considered - but probably the best answer will be one which includes only "real" alliances that actually plan on participating to show their alliance's strength.
Alliances which were created specifically to participate should be eliminated without hesitation. Alliances which want to sell their tourney spot should likewise be eliminated. I like the idea of spaceholding alliances getting a shot. I like the idea of a vote submitted by the community.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.21 23:10:00 -
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i for one enjoy MM not making it in solely because of how they react to it, has nothing to do with them being carebears or having lots of blues etc
it's just hilarious because they care so much and cry about it (every time)
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Vee Zee
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Posted - 2009.07.21 23:15:00 -
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http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1124676
I was actually going to do a buyout of 25 bil with a clause saying 35 bil if it's for MM, but I just couldn't bring myself to it
Go ahead MM, here's your chance to participate.
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DeadDuck
Amarr Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.22 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
In my opinion the format is great, but there should be a minimum active age of say, 12 months (this doesn't include alliances that are just left with a holding corp paying the bills) and a minimum average member count over that period of 75-100 members for an alliance to be eligible to compete.
This is a very good suggestion
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Aquinzus
Amarr Modern Marvels
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Posted - 2009.07.22 01:02:00 -
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I think it is great 1 and 2 man Alliances made it in while actual real Alliances did not, great job CCP!
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Baka Lakadaka
Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.07.22 01:49:00 -
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I don't think it's Alliance size, or whether you hold space, or whether you're a one corp Alliance that is the issue.
People making Alliances to get a spot to sell it is clearly wrong and any Alliance that is sold/transferred while holding a tournament place should be automatically disqualified.
Placing a limit on the age of the Alliance would also be of benefit to prevent people from creating Alliances for the purpose of gaining a place. e.g. Alliances must be at least 6 months old to compete (or 3 months - pick a number). I know people will create Alliances and hold them for the time limit, it won't kill the problem, but it will discourage many.
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Pater Peccavi
Minmatar Cadre Assault Force
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Posted - 2009.07.22 02:21:00 -
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Originally by: Gerrard DuNord
Originally by: CCP Atropos Out of interest, what method of teams selection would you all have gone for, and what are the benefits over both the random selection, and the previous 'window' method.
Actually, I have less of an issue with how you selected, more an issue with the Swiss format restricting numbers. I applaud the 2 billion fee to limit the number of alliances to only serious ones. The Swiss format, however 'fair' it may be, limits numbers. If you look at most 'cup' competitions with significant numbers of entrants, it's straight knockout with seeding.
So here is a simple solution, and not too late to implement.
97 alliances signed up. This solution makes 96 of them happy.
WEEKEND 1
Top 32 from last tourney are seeded and get a bye in weekend 1 (random draws to fill any gaps.
Remaining 64 drawn randomly. Winners progress.
WEEKEND 2
Seeded teams drawn against qualifiers from weekend 1. Winners progress.
WEEKEND 3
Finals
Yes, you can lose a match and go out. Given how many times I've heard people laud the fact that EVE is real and harsh, I can't see people credibly being able to say 'it's not fair, we played someone good / they were lucky'.
This way you get 96 teams in rather than 64. Given that 97 signed up, it seems a much better way to make everyone happy. And there is no extra pressure on the scheduling, it's the same number of matches.
I sincerely hope you consider making this change.
As a completely irrelevant bystander who has nothing to do with this tournament (other than observing, there were some fun fights to watch last year) this is by far the best option I've seen. The tournament would come down to PvP ability, with the previous year's competitors being the only people to get preference. Other than that one team which doesn't make the cut, everybody gets a chance to fight. If the big alliances think they're better than the small-fish empire dwelling alliances, they can prove it in the arena. If the small alliances think they're better at 10-vs-10 than the POS-Warfare Space-Holding mega-alliances, they can prove it in the arena.
Granted, this system would have the same problem if next year there were 200 or 300 entries, but CCP could cross that bridge when they come to it. ______ Why has the number of players online dropped from 50k to 25k? BECAUSE OF SWINE FLU |
BravoFox
Esto Perpetua Coalition Of Carebear Killers
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Posted - 2009.07.22 03:40:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Atropos Out of interest, what method of teams selection would you all have gone for, and what are the benefits over both the random selection, and the previous 'window' method.
Without putting much thought into it...
ò 2 Billion ISK entrance fee. ò Organized single elimination selection round. ò Bracketing for Selection round based on order of fee payment. (1st team that paid plays 2nd team, 3rd plays 4th, etc.) ò Selection round should be controlled. Example: 10 Team Members, 50km arena, T1 Cruisers, T1 Modules (Drones, etc.), No Implants, No Extras. A completely unbiased, fair and even fight. ò The teams that win go on to play in the Tournament. The teams that lose go watch it on YouTube.
Like I said, I didn't think it through very much. Having an odd number of applicants will through a wrench into it. I still haven't seen anyone else come up with better (realistic) ideas and the fact that Atropos has asked this question shows they are open to ideas if anyone comes up with something better than "Top XX Alliances should get in automatically man, wtf?" -
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LiMu Bai
Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.07.22 06:29:00 -
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Those 1-10 member alliances founded just before the tournament starts are annoying. Where are the real alliances we know from eve politics and eve battlereports. Where are those alliances which are playing an active role in in eve? I miss alot of names. Instead you choose artificial alt alliances, exclusivly founded for this event or to sell their spot for isk. This is just the wrong way. The most exciting fights always have been the ones between known enemies or between respected alliances everybody knows they are real alliances, activly involved in eve.
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