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aplomb Pelerin
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Posted - 2009.07.22 10:55:00 -
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I'm very new to EVE Online, not one month old. I ran into an older player that offered to help me by giving me a mineing tool that he did not need. When I went to pick up the tool I got a note saying that I was stealing it. I asked he about this and he told me, it was ok because he was giving it to me. As soon as I picked it up he attacked and killed my ship. When I tryed to ask him what happened, he block my messages. My question is this, is this how the game is played? Is the point to EVE, older players kill off the new players (a new player killfest)? Or am I getting the wrong idea bout the game.
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Fehdman Khassaid
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Posted - 2009.07.22 11:00:00 -
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From what I understand(I'm just over a month)it seems he scammed you, and I guess it is legal. Don't trust anyone, and join up with a corp.
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Ace Greywolf
Caldari Greywolves
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Posted - 2009.07.22 11:16:00 -
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Edited by: Ace Greywolf on 22/07/2009 11:20:43 Edited by: Ace Greywolf on 22/07/2009 11:18:50 Edited by: Ace Greywolf on 22/07/2009 11:17:18
Originally by: aplomb Pelerin I'm very new to EVE Online, not one month old. I ran into an older player that offered to help me by giving me a mineing tool that he did not need. When I went to pick up the tool I got a note saying that I was stealing it. I asked he about this and he told me, it was ok because he was giving it to me. As soon as I picked it up he attacked and killed my ship. When I tryed to ask him what happened, he block my messages. My question is this, is this how the game is played? Is the point to EVE, older players kill off the new players (a new player killfest)? Or am I getting the wrong idea bout the game.
No you just ran into some chicken whos afraid to pick on somebody whos the same caliber! Just dont go picking up anything out of anybodys can and youll be fine! As they say there nothing comes free and if somebody is giving you something for free its usually a trap! fly safe! and yes ..dont trust no one! convoe me in game if you got any questions ill be happy to help!been in your shoes!
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Waci
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
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Posted - 2009.07.22 11:19:00 -
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It's not old players kill new players. It's players who can kill someone kill who ever they can. -------------------------------------------------
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aplomb Pelerin
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Posted - 2009.07.22 11:20:00 -
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Thanks for the info, guess I need to join a corp when I can.
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Ticarus Hellbrandt
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Posted - 2009.07.22 13:05:00 -
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Just never trust strangers so easily
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Gartel Reiman
Civis Romanus Sum Pax Romana Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.22 13:07:00 -
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Also - consider peoples' motives, and don't be too quick to trust others.
Look at it in the cold light of day; you got a popup question, "do you want to give <player X> the right to destroy your ship at his whim?". Player X, a stranger who you've just met and incited you to take this action out of the blue, says that he's not going to shoot you. You decide to trust him for some reason, and shortly afterwards learn a lesson about the pros and cons of assigning trust so freely.
I hope that doesn't sound too negative; I don't mean to make you paranoid. It's just that EVE is a fairly dark universe, and the game as a whole revolves around PvP and blowing up other players. Now, the vast majority of people wouldn't do this (if I were in a similar situation for whatever reason, I'd probably just strip away your armour and shields, then give you a talking to, letting you know I could have killed you and you shouldn't have given me the right to), but there are always some who will.
In any case - heed the warnings, and don't take someone's word for something if they have an ulterior motive, and haven't shown themselves to be trustworthy by past events (e.g. helping you for a few days, or being in your corp, etc.).
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Tranka Verrane
Angelic Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.22 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ace Greywolf
and yes ..dont trust no one! convoe me in game if you got any questions ill be happy to help!been in your shoes!
So he should trust you?
You can trust corpmates in a player corp, but any time you steal you are leaving yourself open to griefers like the above. Name and shame the guy, that is pretty pathetic.
If he did it in a starter system then you can petition it, but anywhere else you'll just have to chalk it up to experience.
Player Since 2005 Over 4000 hours logged
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Jayden Trendel
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Posted - 2009.07.22 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Tranka Verrane
You can trust corpmates in a player corp
100% WRONG TRUST NO ONE How many times do people need to learn this? I don't care how long you've known them, I don't care if they are a corp mate, EVERYONE is out to get you in eve, everyone. Including me.
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Tranka Verrane
Angelic Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.22 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Jayden Trendel
Originally by: Tranka Verrane
You can trust corpmates in a player corp
100% WRONG TRUST NO ONE How many times do people need to learn this? I don't care how long you've known them, I don't care if they are a corp mate, EVERYONE is out to get you in eve, everyone. Including me.
100%? Paranoid much?
Player Since 2005 Over 4000 hours logged
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Jayden Trendel
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Posted - 2009.07.22 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Tranka Verrane
Originally by: Jayden Trendel
Originally by: Tranka Verrane
You can trust corpmates in a player corp
100% WRONG TRUST NO ONE How many times do people need to learn this? I don't care how long you've known them, I don't care if they are a corp mate, EVERYONE is out to get you in eve, everyone. Including me.
100%? Paranoid much?
No, just not an idiot. If you think you can always trust someone just because they are in your corp then you are a noob and you may as well emo ragequit now. Assuming everyone is out to get you is the ONLY way to play eve.
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Gartel Reiman
Civis Romanus Sum Pax Romana Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.22 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: Jayden Trendel 100% WRONG TRUST NO ONE How many times do people need to learn this? I don't care how long you've known them, I don't care if they are a corp mate, EVERYONE is out to get you in eve, everyone. Including me.
If that's your attitude, there's little point in you being in a corp at all. Without being able to trust your corpmates you're missing out on the whole point of it. Especially as your corpmates have the right to destroy your ship and pod anywhere in EVE without repercussions - you shouldn't give someone you don't trust this option. That's much worse than just taking from their can since it lasts forever (well, until you leave corp) and lets them pod you too.
The structure of corporations provides an incentive for the other pilots to treat you nicely; unless the corp is in total anarchy, if someone screws over their corpmates deliberately, they will themselves be thrown from the corp. With hundreds of thousands of other "targets" to go for without such repercussions, it's extremely rare for this sort of thing to go on between corpmates.
But do be careful with the corp you pick - you'll get protection, advice and respect from any decent corp, but if you pick one at random you might just get one run by a jaded cabal of older players who see newer members as disposable and who implicitly accept mistreating them.
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Jayden Trendel
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Posted - 2009.07.22 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Gartel Reiman
Originally by: Jayden Trendel 100% WRONG TRUST NO ONE How many times do people need to learn this? I don't care how long you've known them, I don't care if they are a corp mate, EVERYONE is out to get you in eve, everyone. Including me.
If that's your attitude, there's little point in you being in a corp at all. Without being able to trust your corpmates you're missing out on the whole point of it. Especially as your corpmates have the right to destroy your ship and pod anywhere in EVE without repercussions - you shouldn't give someone you don't trust this option. That's much worse than just taking from their can since it lasts forever (well, until you leave corp) and lets them pod you too.
The structure of corporations provides an incentive for the other pilots to treat you nicely;
Sigh. You are missing the point. And you are wrong. How many threads have there been on this forum about "my corpie killed my ship!" "my corpie stole everything from me!" "My corpie looted our hangar!"
Telling some new guy he can implicitly trust his corpmates just because they are in a corp together is STUPID and WRONG.You are just opening him up for a scam. If you dont know this by now then go back to WoW.
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Gartel Reiman
Civis Romanus Sum Pax Romana Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.22 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Jayden Trendel
Originally by: Gartel Reiman If that's your attitude, there's little point in you being in a corp at all. Without being able to trust your corpmates you're missing out on the whole point of it. Especially as your corpmates have the right to destroy your ship and pod anywhere in EVE without repercussions - you shouldn't give someone you don't trust this option. That's much worse than just taking from their can since it lasts forever (well, until you leave corp) and lets them pod you too.
The structure of corporations provides an incentive for the other pilots to treat you nicely;
Sigh. You are missing the point. And you are wrong. How many threads have there been on this forum about "my corpie killed my ship!" "my corpie stole everything from me!" "My corpie looted our hangar!"
Very few, actually, perhaps one every few hundred threads? Certainly order(s) of magnitude less than "some random guy/pirate killed my ship/scammed everything from me".
Quote: Telling some new guy he can implicitly trust his corpmates just because they are in a corp together is STUPID and WRONG.You are just opening him up for a scam. If you dont know this by now then go back to WoW.
I did mention that you can't automatically trust corpmates, especially new ones. But the fact you specifically said never trust corpmates is equivalent to "never join a corp", which I'm sure most people here would also say is "100% WRONG".
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Jayden Trendel
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Posted - 2009.07.22 15:47:00 -
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Edited by: Jayden Trendel on 22/07/2009 15:48:08
Originally by: Gartel Reiman
Originally by: Jayden Trendel
Originally by: Gartel Reiman If that's your attitude, there's little point in you being in a corp at all. Without being able to trust your corpmates you're missing out on the whole point of it. Especially as your corpmates have the right to destroy your ship and pod anywhere in EVE without repercussions - you shouldn't give someone you don't trust this option. That's much worse than just taking from their can since it lasts forever (well, until you leave corp) and lets them pod you too.
The structure of corporations provides an incentive for the other pilots to treat you nicely;
Sigh. You are missing the point. And you are wrong. How many threads have there been on this forum about "my corpie killed my ship!" "my corpie stole everything from me!" "My corpie looted our hangar!"
Very few, actually, perhaps one every few hundred threads? Certainly order(s) of magnitude less than "some random guy/pirate killed my ship/scammed everything from me".
Quote: Telling some new guy he can implicitly trust his corpmates just because they are in a corp together is STUPID and WRONG.You are just opening him up for a scam. If you dont know this by now then go back to WoW.
I did mention that you can't automatically trust corpmates, especially new ones. But the fact you specifically said never trust corpmates is equivalent to "never join a corp", which I'm sure most people here would also say is "100% WRONG".
What I am saying for the incredibly slow among you (see above) is simply this. Do not put yourself in a position where you can be taken advantage of. I never said not to join a corp, you inferred that somehow. Please work on comprehension a bit.
And one in every few hundred threads? Are you serious? See, there is this place called crime and punishment with six threads of the kind I mentioned on the front page.
So to sum up simply since the moderately complex sends you into a tizzy...
Don't put yourself in a position to be taken advantage of. Don't trust anyone, corpie or not, unless you know them extremely well. And be very careful even then.
*edit* And for the record, yes you should join a corp.
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Gartel Reiman
Civis Romanus Sum Pax Romana Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.22 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jayden Trendel What I am saying for the incredibly slow among you (see above) is simply this. Do not put yourself in a position where you can be taken advantage of. I never said not to join a corp, you inferred that somehow. Please work on comprehension a bit.
It was inferred - from the following sequence:
Do not give anyone you don't trust the right to destroy your ship. + TRUST NO ONE => Give no one the right to destroy your ship + Joining a player corp gives its members the right to destroy your ship => Never join a player corp.
I'm sure that you don't actually support this, and that your intentions were right, but the absolute nature in which you made your point wasn't very helpful. Something along the lines of "That's good advice in general; however, be aware that <exception>" would have been more appropriate than "100% WRONG!".
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Regat Kozovv
Caldari Alcothology
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Posted - 2009.07.22 16:22:00 -
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Sounds like both of you are right, in your own way.
EVE is above all, a game about risk management. There are costs and benefits to everything, and just like in real life, they have to be weighed against one another.
Joining a corp has lots of benefits, but as was pointed out, just because you're in a corp doesn't mean you can trust your corp members implicitly. However, not trusting them at all will prevent you from reaping the rewards that could be gained. For example, forming a fleet with your corp mates means they could open fire on you at any time. Of course, they're free to help you then as well. Do you risk it? Depends on how well you know them.
Common sense and good judgment are the order of the day here. Always ask yourself if the benefits are worth the costs. Have a backup plan. And never place all of your assets in one place. Don't sink all of your ISK into that one awesome ship, because when it blows up you'll be familiarizing yourself with the rookie frigate all over again. Keep some spare ships, fittings, ammo, etc somewhere relatively out of reach so if everything goes to hell, you have something to help you get back on your feet. Don't give all of your items to a corpmate, no matter what his reasons.
You can lose a lot in EVE. But if you play smart you can make it next to impossible to lose everything. Keep those things in mind while you play. While you'll definitively experience setbacks, you'll never find yourself down and out. Learn to manage risk, and you'll go far.
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Tharq Ruhr
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Posted - 2009.07.22 16:31:00 -
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I'd be interested to know where the Aplomb (Opening poster) was asked to meet his 'friendly' donator of the mining tool?
I've only been playing Eve for about 2 weeks, and I'm assuming the meet was at a low sec place, rather than a high sec location (0.9 - 1.0).
Could the scam having taken place in high sec space, i.e.could Aplomb be shot down in high sec space???
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.07.22 16:34:00 -
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The only "people" you can trust 100% are your alts. [i]By the way, that's not entorely true either - I've heard stories of drunken pirates ACCIDENTALLY blowing up their hauler alt's ship[/b].
You can trust some limited number of people you know in RL 99.99xxx%, but never, ever trust them 100%
EVE issues|Mining revamp|Build stuff|Make ISK |
Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
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Posted - 2009.07.22 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Tharq Ruhr I've only been playing Eve for about 2 weeks, and I'm assuming the meet was at a low sec place, rather than a high sec location (0.9 - 1.0).
If it were low sec or 0.0 he woulda just been popped with no discussion. A bait can implies high sec (0.5 - 1.0). Certain actions in high sec will allow others to shoot you (such as stealing from a container).
That isn't to say that high sec is otherwise safe. With enough incentive anyone can kill you anywhere. Only the repercussions change.
This is why many like 0.0. The rules are simple. High sec feels a bit like high school all over again.
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Gartel Reiman
Civis Romanus Sum Pax Romana Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.22 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Regat Kozovv However, not trusting them at all will prevent you from reaping the rewards that could be gained. For example, forming a fleet with your corp mates means they could open fire on you at any time.
Not that this undermines your general point, but this is an incorrect understanding of mechanics. Corpmates can always destroy other corpmates' ships and pods, whether fleeted or not. Just by joining a corp, everyone else in the corp gets the ability to shoot you any time, anywhere.
(In fact to my knowledge there are no situations where being fleeted or not changes someone's ability to fire at you legally - though I don't want to make this blanket statement in case there's something I've overlooked.)
Quote: Common sense and good judgment are the order of the day here.
Definitely the bottom line on this whole affair.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.07.22 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Gartel Reiman In fact to my knowledge there are no situations where being fleeted or not changes someone's ability to fire at you legally - though I don't want to make this blanket statement in case there's something I've overlooked.
It's true, but only nowadays. Not so long ago, the "Lofty scam" was quite infamous, but the fleet/wartarget mechanics have been changed to prevent it from being possible.
EVE issues|Mining revamp|Build stuff|Make ISK |
Regat Kozovv
Caldari Alcothology
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Posted - 2009.07.22 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Gartel Reiman In fact to my knowledge there are no situations where being fleeted or not changes someone's ability to fire at you legally - though I don't want to make this blanket statement in case there's something I've overlooked.
It's true, but only nowadays. Not so long ago, the "Lofty scam" was quite infamous, but the fleet/wartarget mechanics have been changed to prevent it from being possible.
That's news to me. So you can legally fire at corp mates at any time? I didn't know that. I can't say I'm in a hurry to try it out, but that's good to know. Thanks!
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Joe Starbreaker
The Fighting Republicans
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Posted - 2009.07.22 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Regat Kozovv That's news to me. So you can legally fire at corp mates at any time? I didn't know that. I can't say I'm in a hurry to try it out, but that's good to know. Thanks!
Exactly. You can do it but you can't say you're gonna do it!
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Joe Starbreaker
The Fighting Republicans
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Posted - 2009.07.22 17:43:00 -
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To the OP, aplomb: Basically, EVE is a cold harsh unforgiving world in which people can betray you if you trust them too easily. The flipside of this, though, is that developing friendships and relationships of trust is a powerful aspect of gameplay. In other games, trust is meaningless because nobody can really hurt you -- in EVE, trust is everything.
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Jack Airron
Gallente Setenta Corp Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.07.22 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Jayden Trendel Edited by: Jayden Trendel on 22/07/2009 15:48:08
Originally by: Gartel Reiman
Originally by: Jayden Trendel
Originally by: Gartel Reiman If that's your attitude, there's little point in you being in a corp at all. Without being able to trust your corpmates you're missing out on the whole point of it. Especially as your corpmates have the right to destroy your ship and pod anywhere in EVE without repercussions - you shouldn't give someone you don't trust this option. That's much worse than just taking from their can since it lasts forever (well, until you leave corp) and lets them pod you too.
The structure of corporations provides an incentive for the other pilots to treat you nicely;
Sigh. You are missing the point. And you are wrong. How many threads have there been on this forum about "my corpie killed my ship!" "my corpie stole everything from me!" "My corpie looted our hangar!"
Very few, actually, perhaps one every few hundred threads? Certainly order(s) of magnitude less than "some random guy/pirate killed my ship/scammed everything from me".
Quote: Telling some new guy he can implicitly trust his corpmates just because they are in a corp together is STUPID and WRONG.You are just opening him up for a scam. If you dont know this by now then go back to WoW.
I did mention that you can't automatically trust corpmates, especially new ones. But the fact you specifically said never trust corpmates is equivalent to "never join a corp", which I'm sure most people here would also say is "100% WRONG".
What I am saying for the incredibly slow among you (see above) is simply this. Do not put yourself in a position where you can be taken advantage of. I never said not to join a corp, you inferred that somehow. Please work on comprehension a bit.
And one in every few hundred threads? Are you serious? See, there is this place called crime and punishment with six threads of the kind I mentioned on the front page.
So to sum up simply since the moderately complex sends you into a tizzy...
Don't put yourself in a position to be taken advantage of. Don't trust anyone, corpie or not, unless you know them extremely well. And be very careful even then.
*edit* And for the record, yes you should join a corp.
incredibly slow huh? well perhaps we have a case of the pot calling the kettle black, the "help" you have given the guy who posted this thread is 100% WRONG. don't listen to this guy he is ether a troll or unbelievably stupid. trust your corp mates they will help you, fight for you and take you under their wing.
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Iria Ahrens
Amarr 101st Space Marine Force Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.07.22 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Regat Kozovv
That's news to me. So you can legally fire at corp mates at any time? I didn't know that. I can't say I'm in a hurry to try it out, but that's good to know. Thanks!
corp mates are almost daily fighting each other testing their pvp builds. Good thing about a corp mate, if you have a "stop at structure" agreement, a corp mate is more likely to keep it.
And I agree with the others. Meter your trust, don't trust implicitly. Corporate espionage is encouraged by CCP, you never know if that friend you've been playing with for months is a spy for an alliance with eyes for your space. --
Nobody expects the Amarr Inquisition!
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Vertinox
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.07.22 18:28:00 -
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I have run into this myself when starting last month... I was constantly getting PM's from people who wanted me to come out to low sec so we could "share loot" and join their corp.
Now I haven't played Eve for that long but I have played games like Ultima Online in which we did horrible things to newbies (I mean the rage quit kind) and I always have a sinking feeling of karmic retribution that one of these friendly requests really are to get me out into low sec so they can gank me.
A good portion of the game isn't about ganking though so you just have to be careful. So far I've been shot at a few time by gate campers but never lost a ship so far to another player (yet).
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Vertinox
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.07.22 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Jayden Trendel
Originally by: Gartel Reiman
Originally by: Jayden Trendel 100% WRONG TRUST NO ONE How many times do people need to learn this? I don't care how long you've known them, I don't care if they are a corp mate, EVERYONE is out to get you in eve, everyone. Including me.
If that's your attitude, there's little point in you being in a corp at all. Without being able to trust your corpmates you're missing out on the whole point of it. Especially as your corpmates have the right to destroy your ship and pod anywhere in EVE without repercussions - you shouldn't give someone you don't trust this option. That's much worse than just taking from their can since it lasts forever (well, until you leave corp) and lets them pod you too.
The structure of corporations provides an incentive for the other pilots to treat you nicely;
Sigh. You are missing the point. And you are wrong. How many threads have there been on this forum about "my corpie killed my ship!" "my corpie stole everything from me!" "My corpie looted our hangar!"
Telling some new guy he can implicitly trust his corpmates just because they are in a corp together is STUPID and WRONG.You are just opening him up for a scam. If you dont know this by now then go back to WoW.
Play with people you know in real life then?
Just knowing where you live is a good enough reason not to be a cheat.
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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
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Posted - 2009.07.22 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Vertinox I was constantly getting PM's from people who wanted me to come out to low sec so we could "share loot" and join their corp.
That new and I highly doubt the offer is on the level. This isn't to scare someone from joining a corp.
Instead, don't head to 0.0 with a hauler full of everything you own. Manage the risk by taking out some cheap stuff and just what you need. As you build trust take out nicer toys.
Always remember that someone might snap and take everything they can while shooting on the way out. So limit your risk.
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Jayden Trendel
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Posted - 2009.07.22 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Airron
incredibly slow huh? well perhaps we have a case of the pot calling the kettle black, the "help" you have given the guy who posted this thread is 100% WRONG. don't listen to this guy he is ether a troll or unbelievably stupid. trust your corp mates they will help you, fight for you and take you under their wing.
Unbelievably stupid = you
Yes, of course! Joining a corp means all kinds of touchie feelie good times where no one will ever hurt you and you will have the best eve experience possible! Your corp mates will fight for you, just because, hey, you're a corp mates and they love you! You will never be cheated or stolen from or blown up by someone in your own corp! Thats just crazy talk!
You sir, are a noob, a moron, or both. Im going for both.
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g0ggalor
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Posted - 2009.07.22 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Ticarus Hellbrandt Just never trust strangers so easily
This ^^
Eve is a ruthless place. That is part of the draw of it for me. If some stranger offers you a "good deal" out of the blue, you can guarantee it is a trap. I usually play along and try to reverse scam the person if at all possible.
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Jack Airron
Gallente Setenta Corp Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.07.22 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Jayden Trendel
Originally by: Jack Airron
incredibly slow huh? well perhaps we have a case of the pot calling the kettle black, the "help" you have given the guy who posted this thread is 100% WRONG. don't listen to this guy he is ether a troll or unbelievably stupid. trust your corp mates they will help you, fight for you and take you under their wing.
Unbelievably stupid = you
Yes, of course! Joining a corp means all kinds of touchie feelie good times where no one will ever hurt you and you will have the best eve experience possible! Your corp mates will fight for you, just because, hey, you're a corp mates and they love you! You will never be cheated or stolen from or blown up by someone in your own corp! Thats just crazy talk!
You sir, are a noob, a moron, or both. Im going for both.
I'm the noob ah OK was wondering why I had the "!" as my pretty picture.
you're obviously a troll or where dropped on your head by your mommy.
I have played this game for 4 years this is my third account iv trusted my corp mates and i have gotten further in this game then you ever will and never once been burned by my corp mates, if you have problems trusting people maby.
so Mr mcnoobynoob how long have you been playing?
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.07.22 18:58:00 -
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To the Op, as you can see PVP is even played on the forums, so expect it everywhere.
As to trust just use common sense but if something bad does happen chalk it up to a learning experience and move on, that's the only way to survive in this game.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.07.22 19:10:00 -
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Quote:
You can trust corpmates in a player corp
To clarify:
You can, in general, trust corpmates more than regular joes you've never met...and I say in general because it still depends on the person. People steal, gank, and scam corpmates all the time.
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Hennry Fromer
Gallente The Radiated Space Gerbils
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Posted - 2009.07.22 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: aplomb Pelerin I'm very new to EVE Online, not one month old. I ran into an older player that offered to help me by giving me a mineing tool that he did not need. When I went to pick up the tool I got a note saying that I was stealing it. I asked he about this and he told me, it was ok because he was giving it to me. As soon as I picked it up he attacked and killed my ship. When I tryed to ask him what happened, he block my messages. My question is this, is this how the game is played? Is the point to EVE, older players kill off the new players (a new player killfest)? Or am I getting the wrong idea bout the game.
No just your average risk adverse whiny wana-be-pirate. Some players cant kill another player that is in a combat ship and are so scared of loosing their pixels they will only attack targets without guns or in a blob so large they run or be repped when their failing becomes evident. If your gonna trade with people do it through contracts if someone cant afford the fee or is to stupid to know how to use them you don't want to deal with them anyhow.
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Jayden Trendel
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Posted - 2009.07.22 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Airron Edited by: Jack Airron on 22/07/2009 18:57:21 Edited by: Jack Airron on 22/07/2009 18:56:19
Originally by: Jayden Trendel
Originally by: Jack Airron
incredibly slow huh? well perhaps we have a case of the pot calling the kettle black, the "help" you have given the guy who posted this thread is 100% WRONG. don't listen to this guy he is ether a troll or unbelievably stupid. trust your corp mates they will help you, fight for you and take you under their wing.
Unbelievably stupid = you
Yes, of course! Joining a corp means all kinds of touchie feelie good times where no one will ever hurt you and you will have the best eve experience possible! Your corp mates will fight for you, just because, hey, you're a corp mates and they love you! You will never be cheated or stolen from or blown up by someone in your own corp! Thats just crazy talk!
You sir, are a noob, a moron, or both. Im going for both.
I'm the noob ah OK was wondering why I had the "!" as my pretty picture.
you're obviously a troll or where dropped on your head by your mommy.
I have played this game for 4 years this is my third account iv trusted my corp mates and i have gotten further in this game then you ever will and never once been burned by my corp mates.
so Mr mcnoobynoob how long have you been playing?
perhaps if you where cheated by some corp mates maybe they had a problem with your charming personality. please keep posting I'm taking great enjoyment out of your stupidity.
lol, angry much? or just hate being wrong? Maybe you just cant read. Don't matter, keep being the trusting 4yr old nub. Someone will get you sometime. Hopefully it will be me
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.07.22 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Regat Kozovv That's news to me. So you can legally fire at corp mates at any time? I didn't know that.
You can even pod them if you want. And it has ALWAYS been like that... for all intents and purposes of CONCORD/secstatus, it's as if the corp is at constant war with itself.
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Jack Airron
Gallente Setenta Corp Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.07.22 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Jayden Trendel
Originally by: Jack Airron Edited by: Jack Airron on 22/07/2009 18:57:21 Edited by: Jack Airron on 22/07/2009 18:56:19
Originally by: Jayden Trendel
Originally by: Jack Airron
incredibly slow huh? well perhaps we have a case of the pot calling the kettle black, the "help" you have given the guy who posted this thread is 100% WRONG. don't listen to this guy he is ether a troll or unbelievably stupid. trust your corp mates they will help you, fight for you and take you under their wing.
Unbelievably stupid = you
Yes, of course! Joining a corp means all kinds of touchie feelie good times where no one will ever hurt you and you will have the best eve experience possible! Your corp mates will fight for you, just because, hey, you're a corp mates and they love you! You will never be cheated or stolen from or blown up by someone in your own corp! Thats just crazy talk!
You sir, are a noob, a moron, or both. Im going for both.
I'm the noob ah OK was wondering why I had the "!" as my pretty picture.
you're obviously a troll or where dropped on your head by your mommy.
I have played this game for 4 years this is my third account iv trusted my corp mates and i have gotten further in this game then you ever will and never once been burned by my corp mates.
so Mr mcnoobynoob how long have you been playing?
perhaps if you where cheated by some corp mates maybe they had a problem with your charming personality. please keep posting I'm taking great enjoyment out of your stupidity.
lol, angry much? or just hate being wrong? Maybe you just cant read. Don't matter, keep being the trusting 4yr old nub. Someone will get you sometime. Hopefully it will be me
Right... obviously I'm four years old(b.t.w you have to spell out four because it is a number smaller then 100) you're obviously a troll or just to thick to carry on a conversation with enjoy the noob corp.
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Jayden Trendel
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Posted - 2009.07.23 00:53:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Airron
Right... obviously I'm four years old(b.t.w you have to spell out four because it is a number smaller then 100) you're obviously a troll or just to thick to carry on a conversation with enjoy the noob corp.
damn dude, you are a moron. You said you been playing 4 years right? And ya call me the dumb one, lol. At least I can remember what I said.
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Junko Togawa
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.07.23 01:00:00 -
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My advice is to always keep the idea in the back of your mind that whatever you're doing could be turned against you for your loss, and what steps you can take to minimize/prevent that. If it seems like more trouble than what you're risking, or risk is not a factor for you, proceed all-ahead full. Otherwise,****rcise whatever degree of caution you deem worthwhile.
You're only safe when you're in dock in neutral/friendly hisec and not chatting with anyone. Any other time, I say 'It's NOT Paranoia when they really ARE out to get you.'
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Baka Lakadaka
Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.07.23 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: aplomb Pelerin I'm very new to EVE Online, not one month old. I ran into an older player that offered to help me by giving me a mineing tool that he did not need. When I went to pick up the tool I got a note saying that I was stealing it. I asked he about this and he told me, it was ok because he was giving it to me. As soon as I picked it up he attacked and killed my ship. When I tryed to ask him what happened, he block my messages. My question is this, is this how the game is played? Is the point to EVE, older players kill off the new players (a new player killfest)? Or am I getting the wrong idea bout the game.
If someone you don't know wants to give you something, then politely ask them to drop in to a nearby station and open a trade window. You can safely exchange items using this, provided they're not asking for expensive things or ISk in return. ______________________ Isn't it time you learned to fight back? Agony Unleashed Home of the PvP University.
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Tranka Verrane
Angelic Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.23 01:48:00 -
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Wow, this whole thread is getting out of hand, isn't it?
Several points:
1) Do not fly what you cannot afford to lose. This is rule one of Eve. No matter what, there is always the potential you might fall for a scam, get exploited in a loophole, get suicided for no reason other than kicks, be killed by your own corpmates.
2) Just because the worst is possible does not mean it will happen. Suiciding people is very rare, especially when you are new. Don't believe the reports of the people who've had it happen, as they have rather a biased viewpoint, like asking a mugging victim if they think it's safe to walk the streets. Billions of other people go out day after day after day without being mugged. Human beings are genetically programmed to overestimate risk, and this is no exception.
3) People usually do bad things for gain. People actually very rarely go out to just make someone's life miserable for the sheer hell of it, in life and Eve both. They do it for peer approval, or for money. Sure, there are always a few psychos, and the more pirate the corporation the more likely they are to be there, as they attract just the kind of people who will think it is funny, but at best it's maybe a 10% chance.
4) Corporations have more to gain from you than your cash. Most corporations find it painfully hard to recruit new members as it is, and both their reputation and membership would suffer if it got around that they were shooting at new players. Corporations in most cases are formed by people who want to make new friends, and perhaps show off a little of the skills they have learnt. If you act like an ass they may kick you around a little, or just kick you out, but be a friend and they will treat you as a friend.
5) If you never trust anyone, you might as well be playing single player. Eve is a multiplayer game. If you spend all your time just shooting everyone you meet you could get the same game experience from a single player game with a chat program running on top, and it would probably play a helluva lot smoother as well. If you want to be in Eve, be in it, don't be a wallflower, just in case someone treads on your toes.
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Aniyan
Amarr Frimosa Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.23 08:24:00 -
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This reminds me of when I was new and an older player in low sec noticed me via the local channel and tried to get me to join his fleet. That definitely wasn't happening. I still had a lot to learn about the game, but the one thing I'd learned already was to be cautious when in low sec. Needless to say I declined his fleet invite. He sent me another one and I also declined that one. After that he left me alone. The point is, I hadn't even been playing for a month, but I already knew better than to accept his fleet invite because I'd basically be giving him permission to warp to me and gank me.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.07.23 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: Tranka Verrane If you never trust anyone, you might as well be playing single player.
Whoa, whoa, hold your horses... working together with somebody is not the same as trusting that person completely Trust is not a binary thing, there's multiple levels of trust... trust is slowly earned, by taking risks with that person (risks you will get burned), and if it turns out ok, you might proceed with the next level... and so on and so forth.
To rephrase the unfortunate line "trust nobody", I would say instead "be careful who you trust, and how much you trust them".
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Ace Greywolf
Caldari Greywolves
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Posted - 2009.07.23 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: Tranka Verrane
Originally by: Ace Greywolf
and yes ..dont trust no one! convoe me in game if you got any questions ill be happy to help!been in your shoes!
So he should trust you?
You can trust corpmates in a player corp, but any time you steal you are leaving yourself open to griefers like the above. Name and shame the guy, that is pretty pathetic.
If he did it in a starter system then you can petition it, but anywhere else you'll just have to chalk it up to experience.
Nawh he shouldnt but i wasnt asking him to trust me ,just offered to give advice if needed... have a soft spot for ppl noobier than me lol
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aplomb Pelerin
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Posted - 2009.07.23 09:59:00 -
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The name of the player that did this to me is "General Kilpatrick" and yes I was in a starter zone, I was doing one of the starter mission for mineing when he offered to help. Being a new player I did not know that there was anything I could do about him. I'm sure I'm not the first person that he has done this to and I'm sure he hunts new players. I know that not all people will play fair (at times the person we are in life can come out in a game like this), but thanks for all tips from the people who do play fair.
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Tranka Verrane
Angelic Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.23 10:31:00 -
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Edited by: Tranka Verrane on 23/07/2009 10:34:48
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Tranka Verrane If you never trust anyone, you might as well be playing single player.
Whoa, whoa, hold your horses... working together with somebody is not the same as trusting that person completely Trust is not a binary thing, there's multiple levels of trust... trust is slowly earned, by taking risks with that person (risks you will get burned), and if it turns out ok, you might proceed with the next level... and so on and so forth.
To rephrase the unfortunate line "trust nobody", I would say instead "be careful who you trust, and how much you trust them".
Well, duh. I wasn't suggesting that you hand over your entire inventory to anyone you meet. I thought that was such common sense that it didn't need to be said, but I've amended it accordingly.
Player Since 2005 Over 4000 hours logged
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Tranka Verrane
Angelic Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.23 10:36:00 -
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Originally by: aplomb Pelerin The name of the player that did this to me is "General Kilpatrick" and yes I was in a starter zone, I was doing one of the starter mission for mineing when he offered to help. Being a new player I did not know that there was anything I could do about him. I'm sure I'm not the first person that he has done this to and I'm sure he hunts new players. I know that not all people will play fair (at times the person we are in life can come out in a game like this), but thanks for all tips from the people who do play fair.
Then petition it, under rules and policies. He'll get a slap on the wrist mail from CCP and hopefully won't do it again, and you will have made Eve a nicer place.
Player Since 2005 Over 4000 hours logged
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Ace Greywolf
Caldari Greywolves
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Posted - 2009.07.23 11:11:00 -
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Edited by: Ace Greywolf on 23/07/2009 11:11:18
Originally by: aplomb Pelerin The name of the player that did this to me is "General Kilpatrick" and yes I was in a starter zone, I was doing one of the starter mission for mineing when he offered to help. Being a new player I did not know that there was anything I could do about him. I'm sure I'm not the first person that he has done this to and I'm sure he hunts new players. I know that not all people will play fair (at times the person we are in life can come out in a game like this), but thanks for all tips from the people who do play fair.
lol i smell wardecs on the way for general if hes not in npc corp
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.07.23 17:47:00 -
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My early days:
So there I was, zooming around asteroid belts killing rats in my Condor and carefully looting and salvaging wrecks that weren't mine.
There was a miner in a Hulk with 5 Hammerhead drones had quite a pile of wrecks around him. As I didn't want to become one of those wrecks, I convo'd him and asked if he'd mind if I looted and salvaged the wrecks. He said I could, so I proceed to loot and salvage.
Some rats warped in while I was looting, and the miner invited me to fleet. He said it would make it easier to loot the new rats. So I joined his fleet, and he send his drones to take care of the rats.
When I was done looting, I thanked the miner. He stated he didn't have room for the junk anyways. This lead him to ask if I had anything that could haul for him. I did, and so I went and got my industrial.
The miner said he was taking a big risk, since he knew I could rip him off. To the miner this just meant he'd never trust me again.
I hauled 9 loads for the miner, and at the end he paid me what he figured was 50% of the market value in ISK. It was over 7 million ISK, which was a lot for my nubness at the time.
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Comodore John
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.24 05:02:00 -
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correct me if im wrong but the only player i think you might actually be able to trust as soon as you start is chribba |
Mawusi
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Posted - 2009.07.24 08:35:00 -
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Its not true that you cant trust anyone in Eve 100%. One of my housemates also plays Eve. I can trust him because I know I can just go downstairs and give him a slap if were to try to scam me, lol. |
Saju Somtaaw
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.07.25 04:59:00 -
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Originally by: Comodore John correct me if im wrong but the only player i think you might actually be able to trust as soon as you start is chribba
You are correct you can always trust Chribba, the Lord of the Veldspar, pilot of the Veldnaught, and Admiral of the Veldfleet. ---- --- --- Devs Sign Here; GMs and ISD welcome to :) |
Khepri
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Posted - 2009.07.25 14:20:00 -
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I'd like to say "sorry to hear that you got tricked", but as odd as it may sound, grats you did get tricked NOW instead of later when this would have hurt badly. Hopefully you still were in your newbie ship, so the loss is zero, in exchange you got a valuable lesson: Trust is something you shouldn't give anyone for free in EvE. Your trust is something someone should have to earn.
Yes, there are people out there trying to trick and con you. No, CCP will not do anything about it. Someone selling you a worthless piece of junk for all you got? So bad, but your problem.
The point is that you should not trust anyone until you have reason to. Yes, that includes me, even though I'll now tell you that I would not trick you. How should you know? You don't know me. I'm some old player who might just find it funny to grief newbies.
"cui bono" is the perfect question to ask yourself whenever you're in doubt if someone is honest with you. What's in for him if he tricks me? In that case, him tricking you into "stealing" from his can bought him the right to kill you. Next time, ask him to dock and hand it to you at the station. If he's not willing to do that, just forget it.
As for corps, again, be wary and choosy. You give corp members a lot of power over you. First and foremost, they may kill you even in Empire without any negative results. They can impose a corp tax on you (I've seen corps tricking new players into joining them, essentially giving them nothing but leeching their few ISK by insane corp tax settings). You inherit a corp's enemies and wardecs, meaning that some play might jump you out of the blue and kill you.
If you got questions, send a private message if you want. I usually reply honestly, but again, whether you want to trust me or not is up to you. I claim I won't mislead you, and that you can trust me. Whether you can and do is something you should decide, not based on what I say but on whether former suggestions and informations were correct or misleading.
Judge people by their actions. Not their promises. And don't trust anyone unless they proved they're worth it. |
Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.07.25 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 22/07/2009 17:12:37
The only "people" you can trust 100% are your alts. By the way, that's not entorely true either - I've heard stories of drunken pirates ACCIDENTALLY blowing up their hauler alt's ship.
You can trust some limited number of people you know in RL 99.99xxx%, but never, ever trust them 100%
That is hilarious and I do not doubt it one bit
As for trusting corp mates, treat it like any new relationship, personal and/or business, and modify how you interact as the relationship progresses. Also when you look for a corporation to join do not feel scared to treat it like an interview that goes both ways, go with your gut, but do not jump at the first cozy situation you hear about.
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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Corozan Aspinall
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Posted - 2009.07.27 11:40:00 -
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High sec survival tips:
1. If someone offers you advise, take it. 2. If someone offers you items/isk refuse it. 3. If someone offers you fleet membership, decline it. 4. If someone offers you a decent conversation, take it.
The problem, as I see it right now, is that the game has no consolidated newbie area. No safe place to start and learn. But it does have absolutely no safety net. Which of course means all the low life scumbags gravitate toward newbie spawn spots and grief like nothing else. The scenrio at the moment is that new players don't know the rules (can flipping etc) in advance of being ganked by someone who does. Thats all fine in the wider game, but the new player needs to have some kind of protection against this for at least the period of their trial account.
I would also sincerely like to see new players encourage to co-operate with other new players as part of their tutorial/advisory missions as I see way too many players on their own, evidently bored or confused and easy prey for malignant scumbags. Maybe a way to ensure only new players can enter the new player area/holding pen and that they are made perfectly aware of where its boundries are.
There is also now a problem with the desire to extent the period of training new player skills by starting everyone with hardly any - it makes it impossible to be of value to a corp, so its hard to get into one thats any good or isnt out to profit from your mission running in a week or two's time and it makes it difficult not to just sit around training support skills to get into a frigate. There is altogether way too much time wasted training skills to play the damn game at the first hurdle. That should be moved up to 1.6m + imho. Spending the first month training to play the game seems dumb as **** to me and all those who say you don't have to do that, that you should just go and have 'fun' mining 233m3 a minute in badger mk1 or being bored to tears by lv 1 missions in a Slasher or something, evidently have a very high tolerance for 'boring'.
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.07.27 14:46:00 -
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Edited by: Zartanic on 27/07/2009 14:53:29 Edited by: Zartanic on 27/07/2009 14:51:14 Edited by: Zartanic on 27/07/2009 14:49:58 Can flipping etc in a newbie area is a bannable offense.
As to training there are many posts showing the numerous ways you can play the game and be useful within few weeks training, including PVP. People make assumptions about this and they are wrong as they give up at the start gate.
And if someone tries to take something that is clearly not theirs (a can) then I'm sorry they are stupid and will fail anyway unless they learn from it.
Finally medical clones and a new ship are free when you die, no big loss at all. If you insure your ship at maximum you actually make a profit when its blown up until much later in the game.
What we do need is a basic guide to tell newbies the pitfalls as a tutorial, although they do exist outside the game if anyone bothers to look. Too many new players post totally wrong information on these forums and its about time that stops.
This is not a game for those that give up easily or are unwilling to learn its complexities, that's the way it is and how many of us like it.
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Jose Black
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Posted - 2009.07.27 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Corozan Aspinall
2. If someone offers you items/isk refuse it. 3. If someone offers you fleet membership, decline it.
I can see no way it'd lead into a trap taking ISK. If there's something attached to it, then the rule Do not trust anyone applies. If they're serious about just passing it they could send it to your wallet (only way to refuse that would be blocking them anyway).
If its about items they may eject them into a can and ask you to take it. You'll get a warning about you were about to steal. Its there to be read and understood. Again the rule Do not trust anyone applies. You got their word. Whats their word worth? Nothing. They lose the trust of a rookie and gain an entry in their killboard. For some that's quite a gain. So do not take it. If they were serious about helping you they would ask you to dock at a station of your choice and pass it through a trade window. As long as you're getting it for free and are not asked for something in return you're again not suffering any risk.
Fleet membership could lead into traps. It'd be quite safe if you invited the other person to the fleet in case you need assistance. As long as you're not following the fleet into low sec space there's not much risk anyways. Only threats I see would be them warping you right into a npc mission where you get blown up pretty fast or they could invite war targets into the fleet if they had fleet leadership. However it would not be possible if you invited them and not passed any fleet rights to them. If you get any warning about aiding war targets or something you should reject invitations or leave fleet immediately.
Likely you don't have much or even nothing to lose anyway being in your rookie ship (without valuable cargo!). Expect it to be a trap. Be calm. If they blow you up tell them you knew that'd happen. Laugh about them. Try to show them what stupid actions they commit to. Do not curse them or whine or scream. Maybe do not talk at all. A simple lol suffices. Bore them to death. They try to ruin your day - ruin theirs. The "fun" they miss is your true fun to gain.
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