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Pottsey
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Posted - 2004.10.04 07:00:00 -
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ôOkay I'm confused now... Debating taking my adv learning skills from level 4 to level 5. Is the 364 day "break even" point valid if you are only training 1 set of skills which have the same primary/secondary? Can the formulas used to achieve these estimates be displayed more explicitly?ö
If you only train 1 set of skills with the same primary/secondary attributes its less then 364 days to break even. Others did the maths with all skills and got 400days so it does change a little depending on your attributes and what skills you train.
I didnÆt do any maths my self but used the Eve Master Datasheet v8.00 (http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=78188) which has been accurate so far. First I choose all the skills I wanted which was going take 335. The range of skills was everything from the complete Social section, complete navigation section, drones, combat skills, a few Electronics e.c.t all over the place.
Anyway it was going take 335 days with no advanced learning skills I then gave my self the learning skills for free and it went down to 257 days. My formulas was basically time taken without advanced skills û time taken with advanced skills = xxx. Then xxx û time taken to train learning skills.
So 335 days û 257 days = 78 days saved. 78 days û64 days to train learning skills = 14 days better off and broken even all in less then a year. Though it would be just over a year for some people.
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2004.10.04 07:00:00 -
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ôOkay I'm confused now... Debating taking my adv learning skills from level 4 to level 5. Is the 364 day "break even" point valid if you are only training 1 set of skills which have the same primary/secondary? Can the formulas used to achieve these estimates be displayed more explicitly?ö
If you only train 1 set of skills with the same primary/secondary attributes its less then 364 days to break even. Others did the maths with all skills and got 400days so it does change a little depending on your attributes and what skills you train.
I didnÆt do any maths my self but used the Eve Master Datasheet v8.00 (http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=78188) which has been accurate so far. First I choose all the skills I wanted which was going take 335. The range of skills was everything from the complete Social section, complete navigation section, drones, combat skills, a few Electronics e.c.t all over the place.
Anyway it was going take 335 days with no advanced learning skills I then gave my self the learning skills for free and it went down to 257 days. My formulas was basically time taken without advanced skills û time taken with advanced skills = xxx. Then xxx û time taken to train learning skills.
So 335 days û 257 days = 78 days saved. 78 days û64 days to train learning skills = 14 days better off and broken even all in less then a year. Though it would be just over a year for some people.
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qrac
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Posted - 2004.10.04 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey ôOkay I'm confused now... Debating taking my adv learning skills from level 4 to level 5. Is the 364 day "break even" point valid if you are only training 1 set of skills which have the same primary/secondary? Can the formulas used to achieve these estimates be displayed more explicitly?ö
If you only train 1 set of skills with the same primary/secondary attributes its less then 364 days to break even. Others did the maths with all skills and got 400days so it does change a little depending on your attributes and what skills you train.
I didnÆt do any maths my self but used the Eve Master Datasheet v8.00 (http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=78188) which has been accurate so far. First I choose all the skills I wanted which was going take 335. The range of skills was everything from the complete Social section, complete navigation section, drones, combat skills, a few Electronics e.c.t all over the place.
Anyway it was going take 335 days with no advanced learning skills I then gave my self the learning skills for free and it went down to 257 days. My formulas was basically time taken without advanced skills û time taken with advanced skills = xxx. Then xxx û time taken to train learning skills.
So 335 days û 257 days = 78 days saved. 78 days û64 days to train learning skills = 14 days better off and broken even all in less then a year. Though it would be just over a year for some people.
now try the same with the advanced learning skills @ lvl4 instead and you'll notice that u have saved even more during that limited time. -------------------------------------------
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qrac
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Posted - 2004.10.04 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey ôOkay I'm confused now... Debating taking my adv learning skills from level 4 to level 5. Is the 364 day "break even" point valid if you are only training 1 set of skills which have the same primary/secondary? Can the formulas used to achieve these estimates be displayed more explicitly?ö
If you only train 1 set of skills with the same primary/secondary attributes its less then 364 days to break even. Others did the maths with all skills and got 400days so it does change a little depending on your attributes and what skills you train.
I didnÆt do any maths my self but used the Eve Master Datasheet v8.00 (http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=78188) which has been accurate so far. First I choose all the skills I wanted which was going take 335. The range of skills was everything from the complete Social section, complete navigation section, drones, combat skills, a few Electronics e.c.t all over the place.
Anyway it was going take 335 days with no advanced learning skills I then gave my self the learning skills for free and it went down to 257 days. My formulas was basically time taken without advanced skills û time taken with advanced skills = xxx. Then xxx û time taken to train learning skills.
So 335 days û 257 days = 78 days saved. 78 days û64 days to train learning skills = 14 days better off and broken even all in less then a year. Though it would be just over a year for some people.
now try the same with the advanced learning skills @ lvl4 instead and you'll notice that u have saved even more during that limited time. -------------------------------------------
Insanes numquam moriuntur! |
Kaeten
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Posted - 2004.10.04 10:36:00 -
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I'm training them all to 5. I started with 12 Charisma ___________________________________ Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante |
Kaeten
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Posted - 2004.10.04 10:36:00 -
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I'm training them all to 5. I started with 12 Charisma ___________________________________ Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante |
Pottsey
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Posted - 2004.10.04 16:43:00 -
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I replaced what skills I wanted and got 551 days this time. With level 4 advanced learning skills it goes down to 438 which = 113 days saved- 13 training time = 99 days saved in total.
With level 5 advanced learning skills it goes down to 417 which = 134 days saved û 78 training time = 56 days saved in total.
So having level 5 advanced learning is worse then having level 4 in the short to mid term.
But having level 5 advanced learning is better then having no advanced learning in the long term though not as good as level 4. In the very long term level 5 is better then level 4.
I wonder what would happen if you added in +6 or +7 implants? Would level 5 with the 10% from learning work out better or even worse?
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2004.10.04 16:43:00 -
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I replaced what skills I wanted and got 551 days this time. With level 4 advanced learning skills it goes down to 438 which = 113 days saved- 13 training time = 99 days saved in total.
With level 5 advanced learning skills it goes down to 417 which = 134 days saved û 78 training time = 56 days saved in total.
So having level 5 advanced learning is worse then having level 4 in the short to mid term.
But having level 5 advanced learning is better then having no advanced learning in the long term though not as good as level 4. In the very long term level 5 is better then level 4.
I wonder what would happen if you added in +6 or +7 implants? Would level 5 with the 10% from learning work out better or even worse?
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memex
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Posted - 2004.10.04 23:35:00 -
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Myself, I am waiting to see how boosters play out, and the new implants. Perhaps later it will be economical to go from 4 to 5 in the adv learning skills ------------------
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memex
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Posted - 2004.10.04 23:35:00 -
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Myself, I am waiting to see how boosters play out, and the new implants. Perhaps later it will be economical to go from 4 to 5 in the adv learning skills ------------------
RDA Appreciation Society |
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Braytac
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Posted - 2004.10.05 00:33:00 -
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Is there no 6th adv. learning skill?
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Braytac
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Posted - 2004.10.05 00:33:00 -
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Is there no 6th adv. learning skill?
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Greenwing
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Posted - 2004.10.05 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Braytac Is there no 6th adv. learning skill?
Nope
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Greenwing
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Posted - 2004.10.05 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Braytac Is there no 6th adv. learning skill?
Nope
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Dr Brains
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Posted - 2004.10.05 12:03:00 -
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I am already training eidetic memory to lvl5.. i will have it at 5 in 8days and half. I will also train logic to lvl5.
After those two learning skills at lvl5.. my attributes will be: memory @28.6 and intelligence @26.4 (the only attributes i use.. industry, science..)
I will be able to collect roughly 1.8million skillpoints per month. too bad this is not enough to catch dr caymus.. as he will train at about same rate;)
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Dr Brains
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Posted - 2004.10.05 12:03:00 -
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I am already training eidetic memory to lvl5.. i will have it at 5 in 8days and half. I will also train logic to lvl5.
After those two learning skills at lvl5.. my attributes will be: memory @28.6 and intelligence @26.4 (the only attributes i use.. industry, science..)
I will be able to collect roughly 1.8million skillpoints per month. too bad this is not enough to catch dr caymus.. as he will train at about same rate;)
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.10.06 17:32:00 -
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It all depends on your attributes imo, for instance if you have say int 14 with advanced learning skill at lvl 3 then yes it would pay off relativly fast to train up to lvl 4.
If you have say in 25 with advanced learning skill at lvl 3 the gain is much smaller and takes alot longer to get by training to lvl 4.
So what applies to others doesnt really apply to you.
It's also all about how long time you plan on playing EVE, for the hard core EVE fans whom will play until the servers go down it's well worth it, for the casual player who will quit EVE for some other newer game in few months its not worth to train up basic learning skills to lvl 5.
There is no formula imo.
Spawn of the Devil
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.10.06 17:32:00 -
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It all depends on your attributes imo, for instance if you have say int 14 with advanced learning skill at lvl 3 then yes it would pay off relativly fast to train up to lvl 4.
If you have say in 25 with advanced learning skill at lvl 3 the gain is much smaller and takes alot longer to get by training to lvl 4.
So what applies to others doesnt really apply to you.
It's also all about how long time you plan on playing EVE, for the hard core EVE fans whom will play until the servers go down it's well worth it, for the casual player who will quit EVE for some other newer game in few months its not worth to train up basic learning skills to lvl 5.
There is no formula imo.
Spawn of the Devil
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JarmenKell
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Posted - 2004.10.06 19:57:00 -
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Edited by: JarmenKell on 06/10/2004 20:00:18 i say just tain to 5 ur high attributes
i mean i have 26 memo and 24 intel i ll train it to 5 as it won t take that long
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JarmenKell
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Posted - 2004.10.06 19:57:00 -
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Edited by: JarmenKell on 06/10/2004 20:00:18 i say just tain to 5 ur high attributes
i mean i have 26 memo and 24 intel i ll train it to 5 as it won t take that long
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diablo
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Posted - 2004.10.08 11:57:00 -
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Well just thought id put no 2 pennath in, No idea what the sums are but the basics i found were these.
I did my perception advanced to level 3 it took 8 hrs off large energy 5 of which is complete now and ive jumped back to heavy misles 5 and its gone dowm from 9 days 1hr to 7days 16hr.
If it pays to do them i dunno, but if i can learn them when im logged in as they seem to be quite short upto 3 , thats fine, then leave them to do there work when im asleep on the larger skills. Im sure in the long run itll be worth it, at the mo my ALT has 42days to do BS lev 5 i,ll let u know what thats at laters
Just sucks if you only have the norm 1s to level 4 cos i know getting them to 5 seems a waste it did to me but that was many moons ago
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diablo
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Posted - 2004.10.08 11:57:00 -
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Well just thought id put no 2 pennath in, No idea what the sums are but the basics i found were these.
I did my perception advanced to level 3 it took 8 hrs off large energy 5 of which is complete now and ive jumped back to heavy misles 5 and its gone dowm from 9 days 1hr to 7days 16hr.
If it pays to do them i dunno, but if i can learn them when im logged in as they seem to be quite short upto 3 , thats fine, then leave them to do there work when im asleep on the larger skills. Im sure in the long run itll be worth it, at the mo my ALT has 42days to do BS lev 5 i,ll let u know what thats at laters
Just sucks if you only have the norm 1s to level 4 cos i know getting them to 5 seems a waste it did to me but that was many moons ago
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Dr Caymus
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Posted - 2004.10.09 04:00:00 -
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Dr B...you'll be the first to reach Eidetic Mem level 5. I spent some time rolling Focus, Presence and Clarity each up to level 2, so I'm a day and a half behind you. See you in the 60 thousand point per day club in a few days
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Dr Caymus
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Posted - 2004.10.09 04:00:00 -
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Dr B...you'll be the first to reach Eidetic Mem level 5. I spent some time rolling Focus, Presence and Clarity each up to level 2, so I'm a day and a half behind you. See you in the 60 thousand point per day club in a few days
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Etoile Chercheur
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Posted - 2004.10.09 11:43:00 -
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i like the game more than any other entertainment or hobby i've ever experienced, so i'm sticking it out, and i'm going to 5 them all. math be damned.
i don't care how long it will take to train them up, or how long it will take to pass the "break even" point and actually show some time savings. hopefully, we'll be well into Shiva by the time mine finish up, and i'll have a clearer idea of what where i want to go from there.
Midshipman Etoile Chercheur - Logistics Division (M&T) | Hadean Drive Yards
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Etoile Chercheur
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Posted - 2004.10.09 11:43:00 -
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i like the game more than any other entertainment or hobby i've ever experienced, so i'm sticking it out, and i'm going to 5 them all. math be damned.
i don't care how long it will take to train them up, or how long it will take to pass the "break even" point and actually show some time savings. hopefully, we'll be well into Shiva by the time mine finish up, and i'll have a clearer idea of what where i want to go from there.
Midshipman Etoile Chercheur - Logistics Division (M&T) | Hadean Drive Yards
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Nova Strikes
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Posted - 2004.10.09 14:35:00 -
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I havent got any of them yet but since im going to stick with Eve im sure i'll train them to five once i get my greedy hands on them that is,
heres to Eve a most ausome game man rad
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Nova Strikes
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Posted - 2004.10.09 14:35:00 -
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I havent got any of them yet but since im going to stick with Eve im sure i'll train them to five once i get my greedy hands on them that is,
heres to Eve a most ausome game man rad
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Kinnison
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Posted - 2004.10.11 17:36:00 -
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Another point that doesn't seem to have been made; what other skills do you need NOW, or at least very soon?
Personally, before Shiva comes in I will have to have some of the new trading skills, or my operations will grind to a halt.
I reckon I'm going to have to manage with what I have by something like late October, then learn Trade and Retail to high levels at the very least. After that then maybe back to the learning skills.
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Kinnison
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Posted - 2004.10.11 17:36:00 -
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Another point that doesn't seem to have been made; what other skills do you need NOW, or at least very soon?
Personally, before Shiva comes in I will have to have some of the new trading skills, or my operations will grind to a halt.
I reckon I'm going to have to manage with what I have by something like late October, then learn Trade and Retail to high levels at the very least. After that then maybe back to the learning skills.
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