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Elric Redeye Ex Coelis	Posted - 2009.07.24 23:35:00 - [31] Geez man, don't be dense. You got enough people telling you that you need more drone skills before running L4's. Maybe you should accept that as fact. Train up T2 drones with some Drone Interfacing and then you won't be griping about the mild annoyance that are scramblers in missions. Hmm, when was the last time I lost a boat because of scramblers in a L4 mission? Ah, now I remember... never.
Axel Strom	Posted - 2009.07.24 23:42:00 - [32] Originally by: Elric Redeye Hmm, when was the last time I lost a boat because of scramblers in a L4 mission? Ah, now I remember... never. Wow. Ego much?
Mioelnir Minmatar Meltd0wn	Posted - 2009.07.25 00:02:00 - [33] Edited by: Mioelnir on 25/07/2009 00:04:40 They are warp scramblers. They don't cheat with your wife, they don't sacrifice your firstborn son. All they do is pathetic damage and keep you in place. If you cannot tank the spawn/stage aggro of that mission, you need to deal with them early on. For that you need to know how to fight small targets with big ships. Or you can just ignore them and reduce incoming dps fast enough so that your tank can keep up. This might be hard with your skills, depending on the mission. Warp scrambling is a part of EVE and has its place even in missions, otherwise you would face no consequences from some errors. Don't confuse the high amount of L4 runners with L4s as "standard way to earn money everyone should do". Your character needs SP experience and you as a player need experience with your ship to do them. I've earned my first Machariel with L3s in Curse, because L4s simply weren't an option. Know your limits.
rubico1337	Posted - 2009.07.25 01:33:00 - [34] 10/10 even though this has to be a troll, im still raging
Kva Plexcha	Posted - 2009.07.25 01:48:00 - [35] Dude, When your mother took you to the park when you were 3 and you sat in the sand box in your little area with your shovel and bucket and gilligan hat, were you able to make the intricate castles the big 6 year old kids were on the other side of the sand box? When you got to grade one did you play with the grade four kids on the monkey bars, did they even let you come near that part of the playground? When you got to grade 8, did you dare go down that particular hallway where the seniors hung out, did you go to their parties? When you were a freshman at University did .... oh wait maybe I'm getting a little ahead of you here .. Anyways point is, EVE is that sandbox, that playground , that high school ... just because you made it there doesnt mean you have learned enough to access all parts of it at the beginning, you have to learn to advance, and put your time in. EVE tries to have everything for all players, challenges for all ages and abilities and play styles ... because it has these areas, doesnt mean you can access them properly from day one. Learn and then you can advance. I will give you 10 million isk if you come back to these forums in 6 months and admit just how stupid your tone was in your OP. You seems bright enough that you may actually realize it, and tbh its not a really big surprise that someone posts on the forums "I dont understand EVE therefore its too hard and change it for everyone just to suit me" If you have access to my posting history it will show that I usually try to be helpful, this may surprise you. And the offer stands
Kva Plexcha	Posted - 2009.07.25 01:49:00 - [36] Also did I just read this correctly ... "Your Latest petition..." - just how many petitions have you sent in to date?
Montross 0	Posted - 2009.07.25 02:11:00 - [37] I've run missions for a year and not lost a single ship. I think you just suck.
Crais Reiter	Posted - 2009.07.25 02:36:00 - [38] TBH I can't remember exactly what my fitting was, but all the low slots were T2 resistance plates, except for one slot on which I was using a Large Accomodation Vestment Reconstructor'. Swap those plates for hardeners. If your using passive stuff on a battleship without the skills, you missing maybe 10-15% resist two harderns can give which can make a world of difference. I also had a 100MN AB 1 and 3 cap recharger II's (the cap on a megathron sucks otherwise) Work on your cap skills. With above, I run a 2x LAR with 2x2 resist hardeners on a dominix. My drone skills suck for heavies/sentries right now so it takes me awhile to chew through battleships and I tend to AFK 5 minutes at a time. As for the top row, first time round I had 7 350mm railguns of some sort, with uranium ammo, second time I had 7 blasters with antimatter ammo and a rocket launcher with gremlins. You can't hit a frigate with a large gun (even blasters) unless you got like 70kms with zero transversal, they are basicly comming at you in a straight line and not an arc when they start orbiting. If they are webbed, you can hit them at a closer range. I was also loaded up with 4 vespas, 4 infiltrators and 4 hammerheads. You can use 4 drones at most right now? Try working on those drone skills as suggested. You got 80% of the dps of 5 drones and drone 5 + scout 5 + racial 2? unlocks the tech 2 which is the most useful tech 2 to get into, Your looking 8-10 days worth of skills to take care of webbers.
Aargh	Posted - 2009.07.25 02:44:00 - [39] Originally by: Some Internet Guy Maybe I'm easily annoyed, maybe I'm a bad loser, who knows? But what I do know is that this is seriously ruining my enjoyment of the game. Your disposition is hardly CCP's fault.
Cobalt Sixty Caldari Piezochem	Posted - 2009.07.25 05:18:00 - [40] Originally by: Abrazzar No wonder the queues are so long when they have to sift through all the irrelevant crap people file petitions about.
Morp p'LLoran M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.07.25 08:11:00 - [41] Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 24/07/2009 22:59:03 Originally by: Verrick Fel they are, unfortunately outnumbered by total **s who seem to take pleasure in other peole's misery No. They just enjoy taking the ** out of a player who complains about the game to the point where he wastes GM time on a matter that is in no way a flaw in the game, and 100% a case of the player not understanding what he's doing. Had you approached this thread in the spirit of "I can't seem to survive L4s, what do I need to do" ù you know, actually asking for help ù rather than behaving like a complete arse and spouting some nonsense about "I can't do L4s, therefore I declare this game flawed, and demand that it be changed to match my ignorance" you ~~might have~~ would definitely have garnered a completely different response. As it is, you got the kinds of answers you deserved (including this one). This tbh, you're arrogance is annoying * Standard COAD Disclaimer * All post I make represent myself, me and I only - and does not reflect my corp or alliance viewpoints
Mikal Drey Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.25 08:58:00 - [42] Originally by: Verrick Fel Yep, I was targeting the scrammers as my #1 priority, but it just wasn't enough. As for drone interfacing and such, I've not really got around to training the more advanced drone skills yet. I've not been playing quite long enough to have trained as many skills as I would have liked. your doing it wrong on so many levels. . . Skills are EVERYTHING and the L4 scramblers are very fast orbiting TII (elite) frigates. you WILL need good drone skills to kill them and as your gallente then you should have drone skills as high priority. if you have ****ty drone skills then the frigates will simply tank your drones. the scramblers by themselves do bugger all damage and you should be able to tank them without trouble. i imagine you were to focussed on killing the scramblers and panicked. you totally forgot that you can mitigate your crappy tank by ganking as much incomming DPS as you could actually kill. when the DPS become manageable then you could have figured out a way to kill the scramblers. OPTIONS : smartbomb drone skills small weapons better ship (more suited to your skill level) better skills lower level missions stabs experience world of warcraft reroll character ask for help in local corp mates ingame mates dual boxing learn what you can .. Track, Volley, Drone. as your new you probably havent seen this before but its exceptionally relevent in this case. . . http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/Gaminess/Evelearningcurve.jpg also it was YOUR error so learn to accept loss and learn from your OWN mistakes. Comming to whinge on the forums and pettitioning the GM's form something totally within game mechanics only gets you laughed at and ISNT constructive. Shattered Crystal - 60 day GTC
Arec Bardwin	Posted - 2009.07.25 09:37:00 - [43] Originally by: Verrick Fel Dear CCP: Warp Scramblers suck the big one. FACT! I agree with OP 100%!! Remove the warp disruptor effect from the game! It's not like anyone needs it to prevent npcs from warping away I can't envision any situation, ever, where a warp disruptor could be useful. Armoured C - school girl she has the best boobs 'she so cute' ,so beautiful in this vid
Lucas Avidius Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2009.07.25 10:29:00 - [44] Edited by: Lucas Avidius on 25/07/2009 10:30:03 To the OP: You are two months old. You have no business being in a Megathron while that young. A megathron in a mission requires very high gunnery skills, good tanking skills, and good drone skills. Right now you have none of the three. For now I suggest you drop down to a Dominix and use it to do level 3 missions. A half decent dominix only needs good drone skills and good tanking skills to do level 4s, so you should have skills adequate to do level 3s quite easily. Turrets are basically bonus DPS on a dominix, so gunnery skills can be put on the back burner for a while. Focus on drone skills and tank while you wait to get back into level 4s. Train for tech 2 ACTIVE hardeners, the tech 2 Energized Adaptive Nano Plating (dont forget your armor comp skills! Get all of them to 4 or better for this module), tech 2 large reppers, tech 2 medium and small drones, and get your drone interfacing skill up to 4. Then work on gunnery skills, specifically large hybrid turret, motion prediction, rapid firing, sharpshooter, and surgical strike. Once those are at 4 get trajectory analysis to 4 as well. While you're at it, make sure your BS skill is at level 4 as well. After that is all done, I suggest you train for tech 2 sentry drones and read up on the Sentry Dominix fit for missions. While you do that, keep skilling your gunnery and drone skills. Once those skills start maxing out, then you can look at a megathron with 350s, with a full flight (5 drones) of mediums and smalls in the bay. The remaining 50m3 is discretionary. When you mission, always make sure you use specific hardeners for the enemy faction. Make sure your drones are the best damage type as well, excepting the EM drones. The only EM drones I've ever found useful are Curators, the sentry drone. For mediums and lights and heavies, use thermal drones instead. Make good use of utility modules for the ship you are flying. On the dominix, I would look at the drone modules to increase drone control range, and sentry drone optimal and tracking. On the megathron, look at magstabs for turret damage, a tracking computer to make your turret DPS hit more reliably, and a stasis webifier to hold down frigates and cruisers that get in close. Finally, get EFT and make use of it to evaluate your fit. Hope this helps.
Dunan Sanis Lone Star Academy	Posted - 2009.07.25 11:03:00 - [45] Edited by: Dunan Sanis on 25/07/2009 11:03:13 Sure. Missions doesn't have enough rewards. I think a +50% reward on lvl 4 would be good. Also they are too dangerous right now, please remove scramblers and remove the Sig Radius nerf in PvE. Also ships are too expansive, mining should be less profitable, maybe halve the Mineral Prices. Uh... Wait... I think something is wrong in my post... can't find what ... Ah yes : go die in a fire ugly troll
Esamir	Posted - 2009.07.25 11:25:00 - [46] Edited by: Esamir on 25/07/2009 11:29:17 Originally by: Verrick Fel they are, unfortunately outnumbered by total ****s who seem to take pleasure in other peole's misery. Plenty of people come to this forum with mission-running problems and don't get the sort of response you've received. Care to imagine why? Edit: look at this. Basically the same issue as yours, but note the vast difference in the tone of the OP and the responses
Survivor Aid	Posted - 2009.07.25 11:26:00 - [47] Originally by: Kva Plexcha Dude, When your mother took you to the park when you were 3 and you sat in the sand box in your little area with your shovel and bucket and gilligan hat, were you able to make the intricate castles the big 6 year old kids were on the other side of the sand box? When you got to grade one did you play with the grade four kids on the monkey bars, did they even let you come near that part of the playground? When you got to grade 8, did you dare go down that particular hallway where the seniors hung out, did you go to their parties? When you were a freshman at University did .... oh wait maybe I'm getting a little ahead of you here .. Anyways point is, EVE is that sandbox, that playground , that high school ... just because you made it there doesnt mean you have learned enough to access all parts of it at the beginning, you have to learn to advance, and put your time in. EVE tries to have everything for all players, challenges for all ages and abilities and play styles ... because it has these areas, doesnt mean you can access them properly from day one. Learn and then you can advance. Wow... That's deep...
Nikolay Tesla Minmatar Nomadic Angels	Posted - 2009.07.25 11:54:00 - [48] Originally by: Verrick Fel Edited by: Verrick Fel on 24/07/2009 22:29:09 Originally by: Gavin DeVries A Megathron has 125 m3 of drone space and 125 Mb/s bandwidth. Drop the heavy/sentry drones, and fit lights and mediums in that space! If you use long range weapons, target the scrambling ships first. If you don't, stick your light drones on them once they get close to you. I was using medium scout drones, and they barely caused a scratch. As for guns, the first megathron was fitted with railguns with an optimum range of 30km +, the second time I was using blasters with optimum of 3km or so. Neither were any good. Medium drones are BAD against small targets....
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2009.07.25 11:54:00 - [49] To avoid being warp scrambled, make sure you have T2 light drones - a flight of 5 of them suited to the mission you're running. That means Warrior IIs if you're fighting Angel Cartel, for example. If you cannot fly T2 light drones, you should not be running level 4 missions by yourself. As a general rule, you should be able to ignore the little ships if you set your T2 light drones on them and focus on blowing up the biggest bad guy that is currently shooting you. There are, of course, exceptions: read the EVE-Survival Mission guides if you want advance warning of missions that kill more than their fair share of ships (eg: Worlds Collide). Medium drones will have a hard time hitting scramming frigates.
Mr LaboratoryRat Confederation of DuckTape Lovers	Posted - 2009.07.25 12:00:00 - [50] U mtf god damn carebear...... What do u expect... isk comming to fly in your wallting without no risk at all? L4's are allready the safest and the best way to farm isk and u want to have it even easier? CAREBEAR!!
Kayna Eelai Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2009.07.25 12:04:00 - [51] if u die in missions there's only ONE problem: tank fixed to 23.15 kB (23710 bytes)
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2009.07.25 12:04:00 - [52] Originally by: Mr LaboratoryRat U mtf god damn carebear... He's not a carebear so much as a clueless noob. Please don't confuse your jargon terms :)
GGjita	Posted - 2009.07.25 12:09:00 - [53] I'm going to assume you are a wow player so i'll put it in those terms: L1 missions = wow lvl 5 L2 missions = wow lvl 15 L3 missions = wow lvl 40 L4 missions = wow lvl 75+ Unless you have the skills/level to do something you can not declare it broken. I know you are arn't going to blizzard and complaining about not being able to get into raids even though you are only lvl 55 and not lvl 80 yet, so don't complain to ccp because you don't have the skills in this game to run a L4. Yes L4's are easy for most of us, but that is because we have ALL relevant skills to lvl 4 or 5 and a good chunk of use are using mostly faction fitted ships with some T2 mods. I expect you are using mostly T1 mods with a coulpe T2.
Nasaly	Posted - 2009.07.25 13:41:00 - [54] So its EvE fault you die because you where not prepared, strange :) Anyways dries thoes tears away and get back up, try something else maybe, how about this which i used 2 min to fit [Dominix] Energized Reactive Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Large Armor Repairer II Large Armor Repairer II Drone Navigation Computer I Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Dual 250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L Dual 250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L Dual 250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L Dual 250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L Drone Link Augmentor I Drone Link Augmentor I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Berserker II x5 Hammerhead II x9 Warrior II x9 Berserker II x4 A low SP char should be able to fit it and it's capstable with 1 LAR (large armor repair) running. Your primary damage is the drones guns a just for kicks and to tag the rats for agro, alternativly you can switch some for salvager/tractor or drome a drone link if you feal you range is ok. always read http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReports before you begin you mission and always align something if you unsure of your self so you can warp out fast.
Kerfira	Posted - 2009.07.25 13:46:00 - [55] Edited by: Kerfira on 25/07/2009 13:45:51 Originally by: Nasaly Energized Reactive Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Large Armor Repairer II Cap Recharger II Dual 250mm Railgun II Berserker II x5 Hammerhead II x9 Warrior II x9 A low SP char should be able to fit it...... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Nasaly	Posted - 2009.07.25 13:56:00 - [56] oh me bad :) i was only looking at the pg/cpu, but your right, switch to best named then?
Kerfira	Posted - 2009.07.25 14:01:00 - [57] Originally by: Nasaly oh me bad :) i was only looking at the pg/cpu, but your right, switch to best named then? ...AND use sentries instead of heavy drones... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Steve Buscemi Minmatar BlackWater Tactical E C L I P S E	Posted - 2009.07.25 14:01:00 - [58] You might want to try a dominix. --- Thouched by His Noodly Appendage
Denidil Gallente Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2009.07.25 14:04:00 - [59] 1) Get your SP up correctly 2) Learn to fit 3) Use NPC specific hardeners [ see ES - Tanking Guide ] 4) use http://eve-survival.org/ 5) Low SP (<6 months character) mega fit for PvE - serpentis hardener loadout [Megathron, PvE] Large Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II 100MN Afterburner I Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Limited Mega Ion Blaster I, Antimatter Charge L Limited Mega Ion Blaster I, Antimatter Charge L Limited Mega Ion Blaster I, Antimatter Charge L Limited Mega Ion Blaster I, Antimatter Charge L Limited Mega Ion Blaster I, Antimatter Charge L Limited Mega Ion Blaster I, Antimatter Charge L Limited Mega Ion Blaster I, Antimatter Charge L Heavy 'Knave' I Energy Drain Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Hobgoblin II x5 Hammerhead II x5
Denidil Gallente Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2009.07.25 14:12:00 - [60] oh.. 6) Get EFT and EveMon. Here's an EveMon Queue for you

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