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Rastocon
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Posted - 2009.07.25 21:40:00 -
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Edited by: Rastocon on 25/07/2009 21:49:15
Im curious as to why has the prices for characters gone up to ridiculous heights...
Around 3-4 years ago a character went for 20 million sp, 1.4 billion isk.
Now characters that are 70 mil sp, are worth over apparently, 20 billion... Thats over 500-700 euro! Whats more considerable is... increase the isk worth of GTCs, if people can afford to spend on characters of up to 20 billion isk, then increase the 60GTC to 5 billion isk, (just a suggestion). As paying 14.95 a month is cheaper anyway...
"Venimus. Vidimus. Vicimus"
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Awesome Possum
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Posted - 2009.07.25 21:50:00 -
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ISK seller, wanting to drive up GTC prices to increase RMT prices.
Oh and its called inflation, numbnuts. ♥
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Shirley Serious
Amarr The Khanid Sisters of Athra
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Posted - 2009.07.25 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Rastocon Im curious as to why has the prices for characters gone up to ridiculous heights... Around 3-4 years ago a character went for 20 million sp, 1.4 billion isk. Now characters that are 70 mil sp, are worth over apparently, 20 billion...
4 years ago, people had less isk and less SP.
Now they have more isk, and more SP.
What's your point?
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Amanda Mor
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Posted - 2009.07.25 21:58:00 -
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You edited your post a few times and you still don't make any sense...
How does making GTC's much much more valuable "help" character prices? The prices are determined by the market, not CCP btw. If a 60 day GTC is now worth 5-10 billion isk, then the character prices will go up even more.
A GTC now costs around 600-700 million isk, so to buy the 70M SP char you referred to, you'd need to buy approx 30 GTC's (or $900) and sell them to get 20billion to buy the character - if you can sell your GTC for 10 billion, you'd only need to buy 2 ($60) to buy the same character, so many many more people would bid on it, driving the prices way up.
Again, the market determines the price of a character, so if there's a rapid influx of new isk, then prices (for everything) go way up. This seems to be exactly what you don't want.
If you want the prices to go down, then you make the GTC's less expensive.
Besides, how do you make the leap from character prices to a whine about GTC's anyway?
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Vezarus
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Posted - 2009.07.25 22:28:00 -
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Edited by: Vezarus on 25/07/2009 22:28:49
Originally by: Amanda Mor You edited your post a few times and you still don't make any sense...
How does making GTC's much much more valuable "help" character prices? The prices are determined by the market, not CCP btw. If a 60 day GTC is now worth 5-10 billion isk, then the character prices will go up even more.
A GTC now costs around 600-700 million isk, so to buy the 70M SP char you referred to, you'd need to buy approx 30 GTC's (or $900) and sell them to get 20billion to buy the character - if you can sell your GTC for 10 billion, you'd only need to buy 2 ($60) to buy the same character, so many many more people would bid on it, driving the prices way up.
Again, the market determines the price of a character, so if there's a rapid influx of new isk, then prices (for everything) go way up. This seems to be exactly what you don't want.
If you want the prices to go down, then you make the GTC's less expensive.
Besides, how do you make the leap from character prices to a whine about GTC's anyway?
your arguments make not sense... If players are stupid enough to pay 900 dollars to buy a charactere they are also able to pay 60 days gtc 10 billion is my opinion now. To counter the charactere selling price in the charactere bazar,the gtc 60 day rate, must be increased for all player and based to 10 billion,I assure you that the behavior will change very quickly in this way.
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loony thezoon
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Posted - 2009.07.25 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Rastocon
Now characters that are 70 mil sp, are worth over apparently, 20 billion... Thats over 500-700 euro!
no, its just a few months playing, ya fud
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Bongo Debbie
Minmatar Sekret Kool Klubb
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Posted - 2009.07.25 22:34:00 -
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Pathetic ----
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Awesome Possum
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.07.25 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Vezarus your arguments make not sense... If players are stupid enough to pay 900 dollars to buy a charactere they are also able to pay 60 days gtc 10 billion is my opinion now. To counter the charactere selling price in the charactere bazar,the gtc 60 day rate, must be increased for all player and based to 10 billion,I assure you that the behavior will change very quickly in this way.
Vezarus: OP's alt.
Again, just an ISK seller who wants the price of PLEX to rise so they can profit more from illicit RMT sales.
That, or some scrub nub who wants the price of PLEX to be raised so he only has to sell 2-3 to buy a +50mill SP character.
Its ok kid, even with that character you'll still suck. ♥
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Vezarus
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Posted - 2009.07.25 22:43:00 -
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Edited by: Vezarus on 25/07/2009 22:44:06
Originally by: Awesome Possum
Originally by: Vezarus your arguments make not sense... If players are stupid enough to pay 900 dollars to buy a charactere they are also able to pay 60 days gtc 10 billion is my opinion now. To counter the charactere selling price in the charactere bazar,the gtc 60 day rate, must be increased for all player and based to 10 billion,I assure you that the behavior will change very quickly in this way.
Vezarus: OP's alt.
Again, just an ISK seller who wants the price of PLEX to rise so they can profit more from illicit RMT sales.
That, or some scrub nub who wants the price of PLEX to be raised so he only has to sell 2-3 to buy a +50mill SP character.
Its ok kid, even with that character you'll still suck.
that is what you made by selling one charactere in the bazaar totally unaffordable price
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Amy Wang
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Posted - 2009.07.25 22:46:00 -
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GTC price increase means training a character cost more ISK and thus characters are more expensive now, not hard to grasp actually
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Vezarus
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Posted - 2009.07.25 22:50:00 -
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exactly, and it's been years that I play Eve Online and the price increases without any reason ... it is time to counter this stupid high price
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Awesome Possum
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Posted - 2009.07.25 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Vezarus exactly, and it's been years that I play Eve Online and the price increases without any reason ... it is time to counter this stupid high price
THE PRICE OF BOTH CHARACTERS AND PLEX ARE MARKET BASED.
CCP HAS ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL OVER EITHER.
THEY BOTH FLUCTUATE BASED UPON SUPPLY AND DEMAND
LEARN TO READ AND UNDERSTAND PROPER ENGLISH BEFORE YOU TRY TO ARGUE IN IT.
I NOW RETURN YOU TO YOUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED lower case words.
/facepalm
damn trolls ♥
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Etien Aldragoran
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.07.25 22:59:00 -
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Because you just know CCP sets the ISK/GTC ratio.
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Vezarus
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Posted - 2009.07.25 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum
Originally by: Vezarus exactly, and it's been years that I play Eve Online and the price increases without any reason ... it is time to counter this stupid high price
THE PRICE OF BOTH CHARACTERS AND PLEX ARE MARKET BASED.
CCP HAS ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL OVER EITHER.
THEY BOTH FLUCTUATE BASED UPON SUPPLY AND DEMAND
LEARN TO READ AND UNDERSTAND PROPER ENGLISH BEFORE YOU TRY TO ARGUE IN IT.
I NOW RETURN YOU TO YOUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED lower case words.
/facepalm
damn trolls
totally wrong, because no resource in market can evaluate and based the price of a characters ... not even the price of skill book....thanks you fail again ;)
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Lady Aja
Caldari The White Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.07.25 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Rastocon Edited by: Rastocon on 25/07/2009 21:49:15
Im curious as to why has the prices for characters gone up to ridiculous heights...
Around 3-4 years ago a character went for 20 million sp, 1.4 billion isk.
Now characters that are 70 mil sp, are worth over apparently, 20 billion... Thats over 500-700 euro! Whats more considerable is... increase the isk worth of GTCs, if people can afford to spend on characters of up to 20 billion isk, then increase the 60GTC to 5 billion isk, (just a suggestion). As paying 14.95 a month is cheaper anyway...
go back under the bridge.
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mechtech
Entropy Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.25 23:11:00 -
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70m sp takes about 5 years, which (aside from being an impressive time to begin with) takes about 500 euro in subscription costs.
Is it really a surprise that they sell for 500-700 euro in isk costs? Supply and demand...
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Lady Aja
Caldari The White Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.07.25 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: Vezarus Edited by: Vezarus on 25/07/2009 23:07:07
Originally by: Awesome Possum
Originally by: Vezarus exactly, and it's been years that I play Eve Online and the price increases without any reason ... it is time to counter this stupid high price
THE PRICE OF BOTH CHARACTERS AND PLEX ARE MARKET BASED.
CCP HAS ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL OVER EITHER.
THEY BOTH FLUCTUATE BASED UPON SUPPLY AND DEMAND
LEARN TO READ AND UNDERSTAND PROPER ENGLISH BEFORE YOU TRY TO ARGUE IN IT.
I NOW RETURN YOU TO YOUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED lower case words.
/facepalm
damn trolls
totally wrong, because no resource in market can evaluate and based the price of a characters ... not even the price of skill book....thanks, you fail again ;)and you do not know the courteous stay cool or go to sleep
well you are a persistant bastard aint ya???
if a character is 4 years old. then... the character is atleast worth 4 years of gtc's... 300,000,000 x 48 plex cards = 14,400,000,000. but in saying that, it would have at least 60m sp. so prolly worth more like 18-20b+ isk.. depending on skill set etc.
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Vezarus
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Posted - 2009.07.25 23:14:00 -
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Edited by: Vezarus on 25/07/2009 23:15:32 I will give you a simple and real example. since the creation of Eve Online there are 6 years. the price of a charactere BAZARD was to multiply by 10 or even 20 in certain situation.
and what would you do if the price of gtc increases in this way?
you are probably the first to complain :)
and thanks for the bastard i love you too;)
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.07.25 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Vezarus the market never determine the selling price of charactere !
Ehm. The market is the only thing that determines the selling price of a character. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Awesome Possum
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Posted - 2009.07.25 23:19:00 -
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Edited by: Awesome Possum on 25/07/2009 23:20:31
Originally by: Vezarus totally wrong, because no resource in market can evaluate and based the price of a characters ... not even the price of skill book....thanks you fail again ;)
uh...
1. price of skillbooks 2. length of time/price of keeping accounts running to get to that skill level, converted from $ to isk, probably based upon at the moment PLEX price 3. implants 4. possible reputation of the toon & person playing the character 5. miscellaneous things i'm not thinking of at this time.
At a constant rate of 2k sp/hr, a 50mill sp toon takes 25,000 hours to train. That's 34.25 months (or $525). At current PLEX price that's 11,375,000,000* isk.
That does not take into account the millions that skillbooks and implants cost, nor does it take into account a minimum 10% profit added onto the price, or the fact that its an AUCTION so people determine the final price of the character based upon how badly they want to own the character.
Increasing the price of PLEX will only drive up the price of characters.
If you think anyone would possibly sell a character for less than the isk it would cost to make it, you're just trolling.
All in all, I have come to the conclusion that there is 1 of 3 reasons you're coming up with this moronic bull ****.
1. You're an ISK seller who wants PLEX to climb in price so you make more money with your own RMT.
2. You want PLEX to climb in price so you can sell a few and buy a better character (won't happen)
3. You want PLEX to climb in price so the toon you're currently training and have listed on eve-sheets.com will net you more ISK when you sell it.
So which one is it? I'm leaning towards both 2 and 3.
edit: not enough zeros ♥
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Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
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Posted - 2009.07.25 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum ISK seller, wanting to drive up GTC prices to increase RMT prices.
Oh and its called inflation, numbnuts.
there is no inflation
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Vezarus
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Posted - 2009.07.25 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Vezarus the market never determine the selling price of charactere !
Ehm. The market is the only thing that determines the selling price of a character.
in any case I have already said no resources can not fix the price of a characters.
is an argument totally developed by some to justify their high prices.
simply
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Awesome Possum
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Posted - 2009.07.25 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Roemy Schneider
Originally by: Awesome Possum ISK seller, wanting to drive up GTC prices to increase RMT prices.
Oh and its called inflation, numbnuts.
there is no inflation
CCP Dr.EyjoG Chief Economist
i miss that man :(
i hope he's ok. is he the minister of information for iran, atm? ♥
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Vezarus
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Posted - 2009.07.25 23:24:00 -
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Edited by: Vezarus on 25/07/2009 23:25:15
Originally by: Awesome Possum Edited by: Awesome Possum on 25/07/2009 23:20:31
Originally by: Vezarus totally wrong, because no resource in market can evaluate and based the price of a characters ... not even the price of skill book....thanks you fail again ;)
uh...
1. price of skillbooks 2. length of time/price of keeping accounts running to get to that skill level, converted from $ to isk, probably based upon at the moment PLEX price 3. implants 4. possible reputation of the toon & person playing the character 5. miscellaneous things i'm not thinking of at this time.
At a constant rate of 2k sp/hr, a 50mill sp toon takes 25,000 hours to train. That's 34.25 months (or $525). At current PLEX price that's 11,375,000,000* isk.
That does not take into account the millions that skillbooks and implants cost, nor does it take into account a minimum 10% profit added onto the price, or the fact that its an AUCTION so people determine the final price of the character based upon how badly they want to own the character.
Increasing the price of PLEX will only drive up the price of characters.
If you think anyone would possibly sell a character for less than the isk it would cost to make it, you're just trolling.
All in all, I have come to the conclusion that there is 1 of 3 reasons you're coming up with this moronic bull ****.
1. You're an ISK seller who wants PLEX to climb in price so you make more money with your own RMT.
2. You want PLEX to climb in price so you can sell a few and buy a better character (won't happen)
3. You want PLEX to climb in price so the toon you're currently training and have listed on eve-sheets.com will net you more ISK when you sell it.
So which one is it? I'm leaning towards both 2 and 3.
edit: not enough zeros
I recall that you made serious accusations against me.
I am not and have never been sold isk young man.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.07.25 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Vezarus in any case I have already said no resources can not fix the price of a characters.
Come again?
Quote: is an argument totally developed by some to justify their high prices.
No. That's just how a market works: seller determines lower bound; buyer determines upper bound. Where the two intersect, the price is right, and where (or just if) they don't it is not. Simple.
The prices are where they are because that's where they're supposed to be. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Awesome Possum
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Posted - 2009.07.25 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Vezarus I recall that you made serious accusations against me,without any evidence.
I should hope so, I did it just a few minutes ago.
Quote: I am not and have never been sold isk young man.
I never claimed you were an isk buyer. I claimed you were an isk seller. So I guess you recalled incorrectly.
Way to ignore the rest of my post, which completely obliterates your ******ed arguments. ♥
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Vezarus
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Posted - 2009.07.25 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Vezarus in any case I have already said no resources can not fix the price of a characters.
Come again?
Quote: is an argument totally developed by some to justify their high prices.
No. That's just how a market works: seller determines lower bound; buyer determines upper bound. Where the two intersect, the price is right, and where (or just if) they don't it is not. Simple.
The prices are where they are because that's where they're supposed to be.
not for the sale of characters, it has never been the case
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Caelum Mortuos
Gallente Zero G Research and Development
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Posted - 2009.07.25 23:49:00 -
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Originally by: Vezarus
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Vezarus in any case I have already said no resources can not fix the price of a characters.
Come again?
Quote: is an argument totally developed by some to justify their high prices.
No. That's just how a market works: seller determines lower bound; buyer determines upper bound. Where the two intersect, the price is right, and where (or just if) they don't it is not. Simple.
The prices are where they are because that's where they're supposed to be.
not for the sale of characters, it has never been the case
uh, yes it is
How can anything but the market define the price of a character?
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Nikolay Tesla
Minmatar Nomadic Angels
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Posted - 2009.07.25 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Rastocon Edited by: Rastocon on 25/07/2009 21:49:15
Im curious as to why has the prices for characters gone up to ridiculous heights...
Around 3-4 years ago a character went for 20 million sp, 1.4 billion isk.
Now characters that are 70 mil sp, are worth over apparently, 20 billion... Thats over 500-700 euro! Whats more considerable is... increase the isk worth of GTCs, if people can afford to spend on characters of up to 20 billion isk, then increase the 60GTC to 5 billion isk, (just a suggestion). As paying 14.95 a month is cheaper anyway...
Inflation? Anyone!??????
Like back in days when USA purchased Alaska from Russians with ONE MILLION DOLLAR...
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Awesome Possum
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.07.25 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolay Tesla NINJAEDIT: And CCP can't control PLEX/GTC market, it's free market.
I think he's russian, he can't understand this concept. ♥
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