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TheMinsterDeathMan
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Posted - 2009.07.26 16:29:00 -
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Edited by: TheMinsterDeathMan on 26/07/2009 16:29:39 I have been a eve player for over 4 years now, and have seen and experianced many aspects of eves development and growth.
I used to really love eve in the older days, hours used to pass me by and I was happy. But lately its gone down hill at a rapid rate of knots.
I understand games need to develope and grow to keep people intrested and after all this is a business to CCP, but they always actually neglect there customers.
These are me experiances and comments about what I want from a game, and why I have decided to never actually return to playing this game.
Point 1 - Single player mode, I understand this is a game where team work comes into play, however what if I dont want to be in a corp and apply that element of trust to people I know nothing about and actually invest a lot of my time and money into something that poses a risk to what I have earned. I have been ripped off by many corps and it left me feeling fustrated, angry, and wondering why I even botherd in the 1st place which brings me onto point 2.
Point 2 - 0.0, where anything even remotly intresting happens you need to be in huge alliances or corps to stand any chance of making something for yourself. Its become way to political. If I wanted ploatics id look at real life. I understand there needs to be this for some aspects of the game, but empire and mission grinding suck some serious bad stuff. Why can there not be empire regions of the game (with similar diffeculty levels) without the need of polatics and wars. You spend 99% of your 0.0 life taking orders from so called people in power or you get ejected from your area like your some kind of trator. If I wanted to be dictated to id get a job.
Point 3 - 5 Free days to welcome me back. Well id love to play free for 5 days to see if anythings changed only I cannot do that because none of the clients actually download properly and get corrupted. I have so far wasted hours and 6GB of my bandwidth download what appears to be totally screwed up 7z archives and this is a common problem apparently which still isnt fixed. And before you blame my PC, trust me it has nothing to do with it.
Point 4 - The constant breaking of features during patches. It takes Ions for anything to get repaired for example probing which to the best of my knowledge is still borked to hell!. Why mess with something if it used to work. Its not a improvement its like 1000 steps backwards to the ice age. It takes WAY! to long for things to get fixed. If its busted reverse the patch back until you have the time or finance to actually put it into working order. You dont sell half working washing machines, then expect the customer to say "ohh well, I wait 6 months for the engineer to fix it eventually" so why should this be any differant. I pay my money I expect what I pay for.
Point 5 - The constant Bork nerfs of various ships, I wasted 6 months training on only for you to come along and say "Ohh thats to powerfull now" here is another 1000 skills for you to train to restore it to 50% of what it was before you nerfed it. A Prime example is missiles.
I have loads more points as to why I wont be parting with any more monthly subscriptions until things improve.
Dont get me wrong in the old days I was hooked (back when it was Frig, Cruise , BS) new ships are needed at times but the fundental mechanics of what made it what it was are gone.
Before you go on about inter stella flaming councils yadda yadda, hows about you sort the game out 1st and apply your people power into giving us what we expect from a game
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Sharp Feather
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.07.26 16:30:00 -
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Edited by: Sharp Feather on 26/07/2009 16:39:41 Edited by: Sharp Feather on 26/07/2009 16:31:18 can I haz ya stuff
I will gladly take your characters as well, and play with them, and everything, at least you wont destroy them, I really could use them you know. Do a good deed before leaving! Please!
Perhaps we can come to an arrangement in game. Before you leave. LOGIC & MORE LOGIC
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.07.26 16:44:00 -
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I dont think I am playing the game game as you...
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Sharp Feather
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.07.26 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1 I dont think I am playing the same game as you...
Fixed LOGIC & MORE LOGIC
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Tai Akhenor
Minmatar 1st Tactical Assault Brigade
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Posted - 2009.07.26 16:52:00 -
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Your stuff, can I has?
On a serious note though, I think after years of play any game would become something you get fed up of, most games people play for a week untill it's completed so for Eve to have your attention for so long its done very well.
You are right about the balancing issues though, always something getting nerfed in a big way. The corrupt client downloads you keep getting, well I have seen a few people complain about that but I have been lucky enough not to have that problem "yet".
Anyways, whatever you go on to do, have fun and maybe you will be back one day. --- 1st Tactical Assault Brigade --- |
TheMinsterDeathMan
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Posted - 2009.07.26 16:55:00 -
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Edited by: TheMinsterDeathMan on 26/07/2009 16:56:43 Thanks chaps for the positive non flame responces. I wish I could contact you ingame but I cannot has I cannot download a working version that will install.
Its not so much keeping my attention span. I love solo play when I could do it, I have not got bored of the game just fed up of it being constantly broken by devs, there customer services attitude when you speak of the problems. At the end of the day you are a customer and most of the time I dont feel like I am being treated as such. I give them MY money, and I expect a level of service for said money.
To me, I see councils being setup for a computer game is a huge waste of resources, when there are far bigger issues to address.
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Jack Airron
Gallente Setenta Corp Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.07.26 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: TheMinsterDeathMan Edited by: TheMinsterDeathMan on 26/07/2009 16:29:39 I have been a eve player for over 4 years now, and have seen and experianced many aspects of eves development and growth.
I used to really love eve in the older days, hours used to pass me by and I was happy. But lately its gone down hill at a rapid rate of knots.
I understand games need to develope and grow to keep people intrested and after all this is a business to CCP, but they always actually neglect there customers.
These are me experiances and comments about what I want from a game, and why I have decided to never actually return to playing this game.
Point 1 - Single player mode, I understand this is a game where team work comes into play, however what if I dont want to be in a corp and apply that element of trust to people I know nothing about and actually invest a lot of my time and money into something that poses a risk to what I have earned. I have been ripped off by many corps and it left me feeling fustrated, angry, and wondering why I even botherd in the 1st place which brings me onto point 2.
Point 2 - 0.0, where anything even remotly intresting happens you need to be in huge alliances or corps to stand any chance of making something for yourself. Its become way to political. If I wanted ploatics id look at real life. I understand there needs to be this for some aspects of the game, but empire and mission grinding suck some serious bad stuff. Why can there not be empire regions of the game (with similar diffeculty levels) without the need of polatics and wars. You spend 99% of your 0.0 life taking orders from so called people in power or you get ejected from your area like your some kind of trator. If I wanted to be dictated to id get a job.
Point 3 - 5 Free days to welcome me back. Well id love to play free for 5 days to see if anythings changed only I cannot do that because none of the clients actually download properly and get corrupted. I have so far wasted hours and 6GB of my bandwidth download what appears to be totally screwed up 7z archives and this is a common problem apparently which still isnt fixed. And before you blame my PC, trust me it has nothing to do with it.
Point 4 - The constant breaking of features during patches. It takes Ions for anything to get repaired for example probing which to the best of my knowledge is still borked to hell!. Why mess with something if it used to work. Its not a improvement its like 1000 steps backwards to the ice age. It takes WAY! to long for things to get fixed. If its busted reverse the patch back until you have the time or finance to actually put it into working order. You dont sell half working washing machines, then expect the customer to say "ohh well, I wait 6 months for the engineer to fix it eventually" so why should this be any differant. I pay my money I expect what I pay for.
Point 5 - The constant Bork nerfs of various ships, I wasted 6 months training on only for you to come along and say "Ohh thats to powerfull now" here is another 1000 skills for you to train to restore it to 50% of what it was before you nerfed it. A Prime example is missiles.
I have loads more points as to why I wont be parting with any more monthly subscriptions until things improve.
Dont get me wrong in the old days I was hooked (back when it was Frig, Cruise , BS) new ships are needed at times but the fundental mechanics of what made it what it was are gone.
Before you go on about inter stella flaming councils yadda yadda, hows about you sort the game out 1st and apply your people power into giving us what we expect from a game
tldr can i has stuff
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W3370Pi4
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.07.26 16:57:00 -
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sorry to see you leave.
your stuff thanks in advance _______ Join the "Legit Trading"Channel *Scam Free Trading Channel* |
Johnny Dexter
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Posted - 2009.07.26 17:02:00 -
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Since I have nothing better to do I'll just comment your various points.
Originally by: TheMinsterDeathMan Point 1 - Single player mode, I understand this is a game where team work comes into play, however what if I dont want to be in a corp and apply that element of trust to people I know nothing about and actually invest a lot of my time and money into something that poses a risk to what I have earned. I have been ripped off by many corps and it left me feeling fustrated, angry, and wondering why I even botherd in the 1st place which brings me onto point 2.
You are right, EVE is a multiplayer game that encourages teamwork, but nobody is forcing you to join any player corporations. If you wish you can stay in the original NPC corporation, run missions after work and not say a word to anyone for years. I am sorry for your disappointments, but a character of your age should know truly good corporations are hard to come by. Spend some time in the recruitment forums and see which ones are the most promising.
Quote: Point 2 - 0.0, where anything even remotly intresting happens you need to be in huge alliances or corps to stand any chance of making something for yourself. Its become way to political. If I wanted ploatics id look at real life. I understand there needs to be this for some aspects of the game, but empire and mission grinding suck some serious bad stuff. Why can there not be empire regions of the game (with similar diffeculty levels) without the need of polatics and wars. You spend 99% of your 0.0 life taking orders from so called people in power or you get ejected from your area like your some kind of trator. If I wanted to be dictated to id get a job.
Pirate regions are NPC owned 0.0 areas ( such as Stain, Curse, Great Wildlands etc ) where you can do whatever your heart pleases without taking orders from anyone. Sure, they are mostly pirate infested, but it is possible to live in small isolated pockets without much trouble.
I personally think building your own empire with your alliance through cooperation and teamwork is one of the best things EVE has to offer, 0.0 is the place where the game truly becomes an MMO. I enjoy my life in Providence tremendously and it's not as much political bullpoo as you might think ;)
Quote: Point 4 - The constant breaking of features during patches.[---]It takes WAY! to long for things to get fixed. If its busted reverse the patch back until you have the time or finance to actually put it into working order. You dont sell half working washing machines, then expect the customer to say "ohh well, I wait 6 months for the engineer to fix it eventually" so why should this be any differant. I pay my money I expect what I pay for.
We have a game server that supports 50k people playing at the same time, the balance is so delicate messing with one thing is very likely to interfere with something else. Trust me, CCP does not intentionally want you to suffer, these things just happen.
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2009.07.26 17:05:00 -
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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 26/07/2009 17:06:18 There has never been a ship nerf that makes max skilling for the ship a waste. Not one good example. It takes a few weeks to max out the energy emission or sensor dampening skills. It takes a few months to max all the speed skills, which will help every ship you fly apart from the old nanoboats. 90% of the skills you learned in that "6 months training on" statement will help you with numerous other ship classes. All wasted training time complaints in any post-balance environment are ridiculous, except for those unfortunate few non-Caldari players who had just finished Cruise Missiles 5 when CCP first announced the Bomber change.
The new scanning system is far too cumbersome to catch people in space, except for aggro'd logoffs, mission runners, and people who think sitting still in one safespot is good enough. But it's improved scanning for other signatures a great deal less frustrating, and considering how frustrating it can still be that's saying a lot.
Single player mode? I wouldn't be opposed to having that option, provided that none of the skills or modules you acquire in it can be used on Tranquility. In other words, I wouldn't be opposed to that option provided that it serve as a lesson to people about just how much the multiplayer mode actually contributes to this game's value.
If you need to be in an anonymous block of players to enjoy nullsec you're doing it really wrong. Anyone who's ever spent more time there than it takes to die in a bubble camp knows that.
Features breaking in patches are annoying, and in some cases border if not cross the line into patently unprofessional. I will give you that. But that's why I don't download any patch until 24 hours after it's released.
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TheMinsterDeathMan
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Posted - 2009.07.26 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Johnny Dexter Since I have nothing better to do I'll just comment your various points.
Originally by: TheMinsterDeathMan Point 1 - Single player mode, I understand this is a game where team work comes into play, however what if I dont want to be in a corp and apply that element of trust to people I know nothing about and actually invest a lot of my time and money into something that poses a risk to what I have earned. I have been ripped off by many corps and it left me feeling fustrated, angry, and wondering why I even botherd in the 1st place which brings me onto point 2.
You are right, EVE is a multiplayer game that encourages teamwork, but nobody is forcing you to join any player corporations. If you wish you can stay in the original NPC corporation, run missions after work and not say a word to anyone for years. I am sorry for your disappointments, but a character of your age should know truly good corporations are hard to come by. Spend some time in the recruitment forums and see which ones are the most promising.
Quote: Point 2 - 0.0, where anything even remotly intresting happens you need to be in huge alliances or corps to stand any chance of making something for yourself. Its become way to political. If I wanted ploatics id look at real life. I understand there needs to be this for some aspects of the game, but empire and mission grinding suck some serious bad stuff. Why can there not be empire regions of the game (with similar diffeculty levels) without the need of polatics and wars. You spend 99% of your 0.0 life taking orders from so called people in power or you get ejected from your area like your some kind of trator. If I wanted to be dictated to id get a job.
Pirate regions are NPC owned 0.0 areas ( such as Stain, Curse, Great Wildlands etc ) where you can do whatever your heart pleases without taking orders from anyone. Sure, they are mostly pirate infested, but it is possible to live in small isolated pockets without much trouble.
I personally think building your own empire with your alliance through cooperation and teamwork is one of the best things EVE has to offer, 0.0 is the place where the game truly becomes an MMO. I enjoy my life in Providence tremendously and it's not as much political bullpoo as you might think ;)
Quote: Point 4 - The constant breaking of features during patches.[---]It takes WAY! to long for things to get fixed. If its busted reverse the patch back until you have the time or finance to actually put it into working order. You dont sell half working washing machines, then expect the customer to say "ohh well, I wait 6 months for the engineer to fix it eventually" so why should this be any differant. I pay my money I expect what I pay for.
We have a game server that supports 50k people playing at the same time, the balance is so delicate messing with one thing is very likely to interfere with something else. Trust me, CCP does not intentionally want you to suffer, these things just happen.
Your missing my point.
In 0.0 even the NPC areas in 0.0 are camped by loads of war targets who are arguing with the people next door and it involves camping this and keeping them out because there considerd bad guys. No matter what area you go into in 0.0 it is owned by X Alliance who is arguing with Z alliance. Over the Y mining thats there. Thats whats got my knickers in a twist. I dont want all the figting with other players, I want 0.0 resources without the need to be constantly fighting with the alliance owners of the space. I agree the corp building part is a big part of the game and I am not saying it should be removed. But everyone is arguing with everyone else over which part of space they own NPC or Not
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Lrrp
Minmatar The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.07.26 17:07:00 -
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"Point 1 - Single player mode, I understand this is a game where team work comes into play, however what if I dont want to be in a corp and apply that element of trust to people I know nothing about and actually invest a lot of my time and money into something that poses a risk to what I have earned. I have been ripped off by many corps and it left me feeling fustrated, angry, and wondering why I even botherd in the 1st place "
Well it is too bad you didn't get involved with a good corp. Find one and your perspective may change. You'll find any number of decent corps that are more than willing to help a new member and not try to rip you off. While most corps expect you to help i.e. mine for mins or pvp to protect or industry to help build, beware of the corps that want you to give your items like bpo's to the corp or to loan expensive ships to corp CEO's or Directors (just search Hedgemon and see what I mean).
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TheMinsterDeathMan
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Posted - 2009.07.26 17:12:00 -
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I think my biggest gripe is the broken patches, the corrupt downlods, and the constant bickering and fighting over areas of space.
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Gunnanmon
Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.07.26 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: TheMinsterDeathMan I think my biggest gripe is the broken patches, the corrupt downlods, and the constant bickering and fighting over areas of space.
Welcome to Eve. And isn't that 3 gripes? :P Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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Johnny Dexter
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Posted - 2009.07.26 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: TheMinsterDeathMan Point 5 - The constant Bork nerfs of various ships, I wasted 6 months training on only for you to come along and say "Ohh thats to powerfull now" here is another 1000 skills for you to train to restore it to 50% of what it was before you nerfed it. A Prime example is missiles.
You can actually blame players for that, they are the ones who closely look for loopholes in the game mechanics they can use to get an advantage. The era of nano for example, everything worked great until someone discovered you can stack 101 nanofiber structures to make your ship nearly uncatchable. Naturally CCP couldn't let something like that continue. That's what those nerfs truly are, a way to make the game more enjoyable to everyone else.
Quote: Dont get me wrong in the old days I was hooked (back when it was Frig, Cruise , BS) new ships are needed at times but the fundental mechanics of what made it what it was are gone.
I don't actually know what you mean, my sniper Harbinger is still very needed and absolutely facemelts. I am usually in the top 5 damage dealer list
RR battleships, snipers ( both BS and BC sized ) and even cruisers ( Blackbird, Thorax, Arbitrator ) are still widely used and are easily able to counter the new and fancy recons and HACs. Often also much more fun to fly
I'm sorry mate, it's really nothing personal, but L2P
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Lrrp
Minmatar The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.07.26 17:19:00 -
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While patches do have their problems, CCP seems to fix them (mostly) in a timely manner. As to corrupted downloads I've not run into any. Have to checked your computor for registry problems? Virus/adware? Maybe you need a new harddrive?
As to politics, they do not bother me and add a certain excitement to the game. If you want to tune politics out, it is easily done.
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Skalet
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Posted - 2009.07.26 17:20:00 -
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i got to point 5, and stopped there.
op fails.
single player game X is that way--->
or better yet, wow in space aka jumpgate is coming. go there and do not return.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.26 17:23:00 -
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I don't get your whine at all. The first corp i joined is the one I am in still. Super guys in it!
You seem to have played a different game then me.
As for single player; Freelancer. Its decent enough for that. EVE revoles around a univers that has other active players in it. Without the PVP elemtn in EVE, it would grow dull tbh.
If all you did was mine, do misison and make isk. And thats it. Why, I would never bother. The elemnt in EVE where you compete against toher players for most kills, biggest empire, most market shares, and what not. That is EVE. The only reason to ever do the single player aspects is to gain isk really. Missions pose no challenge, mining pose no challenge.
Wormeholes however do pose challenges. Have you tred romaing them? It adds a whole lot to EVE. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html |
Cerebus Alteri
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Posted - 2009.07.26 17:28:00 -
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far as the corruption issue goes i had that when i came back from a good long break, the old client with the mix of premium/old school gfx did not like being updated at all, uninstall it entirely if you had it installed. download eve trial via steam, run it via steam or copy the eve folder out of your steam folder to your ccp eve directory (after deleting the old install if applicable) and run as normal.
i still get the ccp patcher crashing but it updates none the less, just every time it extracts encounters a problem crashes but the game starts up fine after it finishes its crash thing.
eve files also mirros the official patches if you need to grab the patch find it on there, the ccp patches always seemed to give me problems dling them off their site.
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Lrrp
Minmatar The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.07.26 17:29:00 -
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Also for single player you may want to try this:
http://www.egosoft.com/games/x3tc/screenshots_en.php
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steveid
Agraphobia
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Posted - 2009.07.26 17:32:00 -
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Points 1 and 2 are exactly why I like eve. Drama, politics and dragging people out of the 1 player mindset to interact. Points 3 and 4 are just lol, if there's an issue its your issue not ccp. Point 5 .. adapt or die.
The learning curve in eve is steep, that's why people play it for years and why crybabys like yourself should go to hello kitty online or just play a 1 player game if that's what your looking for.
Oh, and can i have your stuff?
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JamesTalon
Caldari The Knights Templar
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Posted - 2009.07.26 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Sidus Isaacs I don't get your whine at all. The first corp i joined is the one I am in still. Super guys in it!
The first corp I joined I left, but I joined my current with most of the members from said first corp, and we still control the first one as well, so its always there waiting :)
"Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the Last Day." - Robert Jordan |
Spurty
Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.07.26 17:37:00 -
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I read your whine and the concept of 'single player', I want resources, I want isk, I want 0.0 stuff and do not wish to fight.
INTERESTING
You described something that is NOT EVE.
Try Homeworld?
The Goon alliance exist SOLELY to hammer tosspots like you into the ground and make you leave.
This is why although we laugh at their antics, we understand their motivations and prefer them to the likes of you.
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails hi cat here
i was thinking earlier about corpses...
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Gimilar
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Posted - 2009.07.26 17:38:00 -
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everyone who just said "can i have you stuff. really isent funny. he brings up some good points and vary true ones. and why even say can i have you stuff you know when people read this they read your post and say what a lil f4ggot
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.07.26 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Gimilar everyone who just said "can i have you stuff. really isent funny. he brings up some good points and vary true ones. and why even say can i have you stuff you know when people read this they read your post and say what a lil f4ggot
All of the points he brings up are reasons why I play (aside from technical issues).
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Gimilar
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Posted - 2009.07.26 17:58:00 -
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i only really have a prob with missiles and tech stuff but aside from his personal feelings he does bring up good points "and can i have your stuff" stoped funny when everyone felt the need to say it every time someone talks.
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Armoured C
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.07.26 18:05:00 -
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Now this is going to be a first that I am not going to spam this section but give a honest opinion to why I see this as all wrong and why the op has no sympathy from me neither should have sympathy from anyone here.
I am sorry but this is a M.M.O which if you didn't know stands for massively multilayer on-line game. Now you are crying about the single game of EvE online , well there wont be much of a single game anywhere in the MMO community since every game out there encourages to play with other people. If you didn't like this aspect of any thing in the M.M.O community then i am still wondering to this point how you played eve for so long TBH.
So what if you have been ripped off by a few corps that is the nature of eve and since you say you have been playing for that long this should be well instilled into you And to the fact that you never even got out of a NPC corp to experience corp life or anything to that matter i wont even say good bye because you clearly not even experienced half of what eve has to offer since most of it comes from corporations. Yes you may have seen the development stage of this game because you have been in it for so long BUT you haven't seen anything player wise because you haven't experienced corp life!
How can you complain about all those things and say "I have seen and experienced many aspects development and growth" when you haven't truly experienced it at all? I am not surprised that you are leaving, being in a noob corp so long must of sucked hard. Please make sure the door hits you on the way out, since this might knock some sence into your brain!
Armoured C forum extraordinaire #69 top poster
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Ryhss
Caldari The Last Legion
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Posted - 2009.07.26 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Cerebus Alteri far as the corruption issue goes i had that when i came back from a good long break, the old client with the mix of premium/old school gfx did not like being updated at all, uninstall it entirely if you had it installed. download eve trial via steam, run it via steam or copy the eve folder out of your steam folder to your ccp eve directory (after deleting the old install if applicable) and run as normal.
i still get the ccp patcher crashing but it updates none the less, just every time it extracts encounters a problem crashes but the game starts up fine after it finishes its crash thing.
eve files also mirros the official patches if you need to grab the patch find it on there, the ccp patches always seemed to give me problems dling them off their site.
I say why DL it from anywhere? Just go out, buy the EVE Special Edition, install, update, enjoy.
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2009.07.26 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Spurty Try Homeworld?
Confirming I was unaware that Royal Hiigaran Navy was a Homeworld reference when I joined
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Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
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Posted - 2009.07.26 18:28:00 -
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i dont agree on missiles i'd still like his stuff
rest is accurate; this game proudly requires one to drop any sense of decency, both on stage and behind it: e-peen is the driving force. those saying otherwise and/or mentioning pixels desperately try to uphold the me>u mentality
http://www.clearlycultural.com/geert-hofstede-cultural-dimensions/masculinity/ - putting the gist back into logistics |
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