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Ekrid
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Posted - 2009.07.27 07:44:00 -
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Edited by: Ekrid on 27/07/2009 07:50:41
I had been a player for a little over a year, and thoroughly enjoyed my playtime. I Liked both PVP aspects such as fighting pirates and market aspects such as being a private trader. I liked learning how to game the market successfully and use it to its fullest potential with my hauler.
I liked my T2 ships and despite having to run the classic client, I enjoyed the visual experience. Even on classic the game was a cut above the rest.
And now they phased it out. Gone. Say goodbye to many customers that cant afford that. Say Goodbye to players that actually enjoy playing, while people like the OP of certain other threads burn out after 4 years (understandable) and discontinue playing, not because of hardware issues but because they want to try something else. I myself did not expect to burn out until I acheived the goals in Eve that I wanted to get.
I will not be capable of reaching those goals now. The silly notion to discontinue Classic, something that, up til apoc came out, was being constantly worked with at a cost to the company, is now thrown out. Kind of funny, throwing away money not only on the development of the thing, but also in cutting out players from getting to play.
Don't you think that as an MMO, it should cater to lower common denominators? I think having dual clients not only increases dramatically the amount of people that will play, it also puts the MMO ahead of others by actually trying to make a pleasurable game experience for all people.
I'm waiting for the day a private run cluster to come out in response to the loss of classic. Not that I will play on something obviously illegal, but hardcore and die hard fans that have been spurned by the loss of classic will find their way there, and that means revenue loss AND intellectual property theft proliferation for you, CCP.
It happened with Ultima online, its happening now with WoW. Eve online is just a matter of time. Why not keep people playing where its both safe and more supported, where you get to make money off them? It seems like a poor financial decision to do away with those players. I wonder what your usage statistics would be if classic hadnt died.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.27 07:50:00 -
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The ammount of people trying to run eve on their graphing calculator (basicly the only device not supporting SM2.0 and released after the invention of the wheel) was so small that it wasnt worth it to support it.
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Nareg Maxence
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.27 07:52:00 -
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I don't think your suggestion has much merit. The system requirements for the premium client aren't really that high and getting a box that would be able to run it isn't expensive.
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Ekrid
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Posted - 2009.07.27 07:54:00 -
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Edited by: Ekrid on 27/07/2009 07:54:43 a 2.6 Ghz, 1 GB ram, radeon 9000 is not a graphing calculator. It runs current WoW fine. Its integrated laptop, and that means the whole thing requires replacement.
Originally by: Nareg Maxence I don't think your suggestion has much merit. The system requirements for the premium client aren't really that high and getting a box that would be able to run it isn't expensive.
have a link to an appropriate cheap box?
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Maria Kalista
Amarr Emerald Forest Securities
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Posted - 2009.07.27 07:56:00 -
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Originally by: Ekrid Whaaaaa....
Get a job.
Originally by: Jacharian This sounds like a bad idea. I'm in.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.27 07:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ekrid Edited by: Ekrid on 27/07/2009 07:54:43 a 2.6 Ghz, 1 GB ram, radeon 9000 is not a graphing calculator. It runs current WoW fine. Its integrated laptop, and that means the whole thing requires replacement.
Originally by: Nareg Maxence I don't think your suggestion has much merit. The system requirements for the premium client aren't really that high and getting a box that would be able to run it isn't expensive.
have a link to an appropriate cheap box?
Anything you will buy will be able to run SM2.0. If you want it to run semi decent just google for a cheap game computer.
And while you are right that isnt a graphic calculator, i am still right because it was created before the invention of the wheel.
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Ekrid
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Posted - 2009.07.27 08:00:00 -
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Originally by: Maria Kalista
Originally by: Ekrid Whaaaaa....
Get a job.
Get a life.
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Furryet Furrior
Caldari Moonlight Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.07.27 08:05:00 -
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I run 2 current clients concurrently, on what I dont think is a Uber machine. AMD64 Ahtlon 3200, ATI Radeon X1800, 2gb RAM Its been a couple of years since I built it so I'm dam sure its not an exclusive setup.... I went from 1gb to 2 about 12 mths ago , and that made a huge difference performance wise. |
Blasphemour
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Posted - 2009.07.27 08:09:00 -
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I can't believe how many people actually are whining over the fact they cannot play a game that is new(yes, the expansions make it a new game) on their years old computer. You can upgrade any computer for little money. If you have a laptop, these days you can get a new laptop for a couple hundred Euro's, probably for not too much in other currencies aswell. If you don't have money to spare for a new one, get a second hand laptop, 1 or 2 years old. Otherwise find another game. Why does everyone expect a company to suite to their needs and theirs only? It is about money making for CCP, most customers will reasonably have up to date machines, not old crap without SM2.0. I can even run EVE on my old machine, which has a quite outdated onboard video card, the thing is about 4 years old now. I wouldn't wanna use your computer for anything but some websurfing and office programs, sorry.
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N'tek alar
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Posted - 2009.07.27 08:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ekrid
it didnt just hinder me and other with lower end systems. it also hinders people with laptops that, spec wise, are fully capable of running it. It also hinders multiple clients, causing people to cancel subs because they cant play three clients at once anymore, unless they have $3000 geek pro machines.
Thats a lot of lost revenue.
Really? That's funny, I spent what would amount to about 1k usd on my machine, And guess what? i have no problems running multiple clients. |
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Seroquel
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Posted - 2009.07.27 08:24:00 -
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I use to drive a 1974 VW beetle. I had suffer in 104 F (40 C) temperatures in the summer because it didn't have air conditioning. I couldn't take it to the VW dealership because they only support modern cars. Finding certain parts could be a hassle. I sold the car a few years ago because I wanted the convenience of a new car with a damned cup holder and air conditioner.
It's time to get a new computer. That's not what you want to hear, but it is the reality of the situation. You can suffer with what you have but you will eventually have to replace it.
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ForceM
Gallente POS Builder Inc. Silent Requiem
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Posted - 2009.07.27 08:25:00 -
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Originally by: N'tek alar
Originally by: Ekrid
it didnt just hinder me and other with lower end systems. it also hinders people with laptops that, spec wise, are fully capable of running it. It also hinders multiple clients, causing people to cancel subs because they cant play three clients at once anymore, unless they have $3000 geek pro machines.
Thats a lot of lost revenue.
Really? That's funny, I spent what would amount to about 1k usd on my machine, And guess what? i have no problems running multiple clients.
To add to that .. i have 4 comps (geek yes) .. each not more then 300 euros (around 430 USD) They run eve without any problems at high FPS.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.27 08:29:00 -
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Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 27/07/2009 08:30:10
Originally by: Ekrid Edited by: Ekrid on 27/07/2009 07:50:41
I had been a player for a little over a year, and thoroughly enjoyed my playtime. I Liked both PVP aspects such as fighting pirates and market aspects such as being a private trader. I liked learning how to game the market successfully and use it to its fullest potential with my hauler.
I liked my T2 ships and despite having to run the classic client, I enjoyed the visual experience. Even on classic the game was a cut above the rest.
And now they phased it out. Gone. Say goodbye to many customers that cant afford that. Say Goodbye to players that actually enjoy playing, while people like the OP of certain other threads burn out after 4 years (understandable) and discontinue playing, not because of hardware issues but because they want to try something else. I myself did not expect to burn out until I acheived the goals in Eve that I wanted to get.
I will not be capable of reaching those goals now. The silly notion to discontinue Classic, something that, up til apoc came out, was being constantly worked with at a cost to the company, is now thrown out. Kind of funny, throwing away money not only on the development of the thing, but also in cutting out players from getting to play.
Don't you think that as an MMO, it should cater to lower common denominators? I think having dual clients not only increases dramatically the amount of people that will play, it also puts the MMO ahead of others by actually trying to make a pleasurable game experience for all people.
I'm waiting for the day a private run cluster to come out in response to the loss of classic. Not that I will play on something obviously illegal, but hardcore and die hard fans that have been spurned by the loss of classic will find their way there, and that means revenue loss AND intellectual property theft proliferation for you, CCP.
It happened with Ultima online, its happening now with WoW. Eve online is just a matter of time. Why not keep people playing where its both safe and more supported, where you get to make money off them? It seems like a poor financial decision to do away with those players. I wonder what your usage statistics would be if classic hadnt died.
News flash, time goes on, if everyone thought like you we would never have advancedcomputer technology at all. EVE needs to keep up with the changes in time. So do you. So do we all.
Go and bye a new graphix card. Problem solved
If you can not afford? Well, too bad for you. EVE can't pasue its existance for old outdated technology that 1% of its users use. 99% can run the new client, so its better to focus on them.
You seem to have no understanding at all, at how a company works, and how one actualy imporoves a game. CCP did a good job for man a year having two clients, but now its got one, and more time to focus on that one, and other things.
You do not get EVE at all if you think that a few guys wil try and amke a private cluster. This is where EVE is fundametly different then WOW and UO.
Either go and shell out for new hardware, or keep on crying, cause nobody cares for it.
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machyphy
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Posted - 2009.07.27 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: Maria Kalista
Originally by: Ekrid Whaaaaa....
Get a job.
i lol'd so i guess you win the thread
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Ordo Lucius
Brotherhood of the Matari DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.07.27 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: Ekrid Edited by: Ekrid on 27/07/2009 07:58:20 Edited by: Ekrid on 27/07/2009 07:54:43 a 2.6 Ghz, 1 GB ram, radeon 9000 is not a graphing calculator. It runs current WoW fine. Its integrated laptop, and that means the whole thing requires replacement.
Im running Eve on a 2.6 Ghz P4, 1 GB ram and a Geforce 8600GT. Cost me 500 quid about 6 years ago, and I play Eve maxed, shadows/HDR too, 40-50 FPS at all times.
Only difference I can see is the gfx card, which cost me ú70 about two years ago.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.07.27 09:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ekrid
Don't you think that as an MMO, it should cater to lower common denominators?
Your starter for 10: when were SM2 cards released?
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Kaahles
E3 Corporation
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Posted - 2009.07.27 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: Furryet Furrior
I run 2 current clients concurrently, on what I dont think is a Uber machine. AMD64 Ahtlon 3200, ATI Radeon X1800, 2gb RAM Its been a couple of years since I built it so I'm dam sure its not an exclusive setup.... I went from 1gb to 2 about 12 mths ago , and that made a huge difference performance wise.
Similar Machine here (although it's an overclocked 3700+ which will identify as FX-55 :P) but all together both our machines are basically crap and EVE runs smooth, even with 2 accounts. Just upgraded to 2 GB RAM a few weeks ago since old DDR-RAM is hard to come by cheap but luckily my brother threw his old machine out and had some in it *dance*
In a local shop here we they have a series of really cheap budget computers (they call that series 'Taschenrechner' which is German and means 'Calculator'). They go by about 300 EUR, which is cheaper than a good electronic typewriter but can do a hole lot more including running EVE. Those have even more performance than my current computer.
Btw don't have exact numbers but I believe the first SM2.0 cards were introduced about 7 years ago so I'm a little suprised tbh that CCP took the step of discontinuing SM1 support that late. Deal with it. ----------------------------- OMG THE SKY IS FALLING! Contract me all your stuff so I can save it! |
Awesome Possum
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.07.27 10:18:00 -
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I have a 3yr old athlon 3200, 2GB ram, xp pro, with a dying radeon 9600 card (fan's dead)
and i can still run 4 clients at once without too much issue, 2 without a problem. ♥
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GGjita
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Posted - 2009.07.27 10:30:00 -
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I just bought a new laptop last week. Went into best buy and asked for the cheapest one they sold. I only need it to have internet access at work.
Specs: 2.2 ghz 3 gigs ram integrated crappy video card
To my surprise i can run 2-3 clients with the graphics on low or 1 client with the graphics on high. The best part is it only cost me $350. This is not a graphics intensive game, if you can't run it you need a new comp.
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Gunnanmon
Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.07.27 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: Maria Kalista
Originally by: Ekrid Whaaaaa....
Get a job.
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quickshot89
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.27 10:38:00 -
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no excuses not to upgrade, im running a 2nd account on a machine built from 2nd hand parts, all i did was buy a new case and PSU
P4@3GHz, 1.5gig DDR, 7300GT, all runs eve at 60fps
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Tiny Tove
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Posted - 2009.07.27 10:46:00 -
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Hardware elitists are the very worst elitists. They're the same as the jokers who think I should be paying 50% of my income on housing myself.
I hear there are softwares you can get that degrade 3d performance so you can run idiot fat bloated bloom clients on old hardware with all the useless ugly effects gone forever. Software that no doubt makes Prima Donna 3d programmers, and the thirteen year olds that idolize them, cry themselves to sleep every night.
Which would fine of course if that program simultaneously made the client stable, which it hasn't been since the new "improved" graphics were crowbarred into it. I might give it a go, it's called 3d analyzer, so I hear.
Trashing the graphics might just be what you and I both need.
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Shevar
Minmatar Target Practice incorporated
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Posted - 2009.07.27 10:48:00 -
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Edited by: Shevar on 27/07/2009 10:55:08
Originally by: Ekrid Edited by: Ekrid on 27/07/2009 07:58:20 Edited by: Ekrid on 27/07/2009 07:54:43 a 2.6 Ghz, 1 GB ram, radeon 9000 is not a graphing calculator. It runs current WoW fine. Its integrated laptop, and that means the whole thing requires replacement.
Originally by: Nareg Maxence I don't think your suggestion has much merit. The system requirements for the premium client aren't really that high and getting a box that would be able to run it isn't expensive.
have a link to an appropriate cheap box?
Originally by: Furb Killer The ammount of people trying to run eve on their graphing calculator (basicly the only device not supporting SM2.0 and released after the invention of the wheel) was so small that it wasnt worth it to support it.
it didnt just hinder me and other with lower end systems. it also hinders people with laptops that, spec wise, are fully capable of running it. It also hinders multiple clients, causing people to cancel subs because they cant play three clients at once anymore, unless they have $3000 geek pro machines.
Thats a lot of lost revenue.
Just go to an auction site and buy a second hand computer with a video card and look up if that vid card has sm2.0, in most cases it will have it. Should cost you less then 100 euros (if you look better chances are you can even pick em up for free)...
Hell 5 minutes of browsing the Dutch ebay gave these results;
http://cgi.ebay.nl/IBM-Netvista-Pentium-4-Desktop-PC-P4-2G-512Mb-40Gb-LAN_W0QQitemZ140335141627QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_146?hash=item20aca052fb&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1399|293%3A1|294%3A50
http://cgi.ebay.nl/complete-amd-pc-met-20-inch-lcd-beelscherm_W0QQitemZ180386050797QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_146?hash=item29ffd8b2ed&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1399|293%3A1|294%3A50
http://cgi.ebay.nl/HP-D330-Pentium-4-2-7-512-40-Cd-rom-XP-prof-NL_W0QQitemZ280375284073QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_146?hash=item4147ab5169&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1399|293%3A1|294%3A50 --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs |
Ticarus Hellbrandt
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Posted - 2009.07.27 10:49:00 -
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it doesn't cost much to upgrade your graphics card to something that will run eve. Do some research and try keeping up to date in this rapidly changing techno-world before coming to the forum and complaining.
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Bastion Sidious
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Posted - 2009.07.27 10:50:00 -
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Originally by: Maria Kalista
Originally by: Ekrid Whaaaaa....
Get a job.
LOLz0r
I think it's time to upgrade too, I got new parts for my computer about 6 months ago and am getting some newer ones now. I can't afford the sparkely high end stuff that comes out and blows people's minds so i go for the slight less expensive stuff and buy bit by bit after every pay day.
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Melissa Brown
Marquie-X Corp
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Posted - 2009.07.27 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Ekrid
Don't you think that as an MMO, it should cater to lower common denominators?
Your starter for 10: when were SM2 cards released?
I take my 'Ask-the-Audience'-lifeline.... Na, scrap that, i'll take my chances. Maybe 2002?
Laptop from 2002, nice. Did it come with a hand crank to power it up?
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Wizzkidy
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Posted - 2009.07.27 10:57:00 -
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Edited by: Wizzkidy on 27/07/2009 10:57:36 Altho everyone seems to be saying to the OP that its a problem with himself not buying a decent machine, I can only agree with the OP
I use to play EVE fine on my work laptop (Intigrated GM915 Intel Card) it use to have a little lag but nothing major, Now I can't even turn my ship round in a station without about 2FPS
This is running on XP with latest vid drivers or windows 7 with latest, it makes no odd's EVE is just more hungry these days.
I find it damn stupid they one this tbh. of course everything is set on low
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Shevar
Minmatar Target Practice incorporated
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Posted - 2009.07.27 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: Wizzkidy Edited by: Wizzkidy on 27/07/2009 10:57:36 Altho everyone seems to be saying to the OP that its a problem with himself not buying a decent machine, I can only agree with the OP
I use to play EVE fine on my work laptop (Intigrated GM915 Intel Card) it use to have a little lag but nothing major, Now I can't even turn my ship round in a station without about 2FPS
This is running on XP with latest vid drivers or windows 7 with latest, it makes no odd's EVE is just more hungry these days.
I find it damn stupid they one this tbh. of course everything is set on low
Well the problem CCP was facing was that they needed to maintain 2 completely different versions of Eve, for example every graphic introduced by an update would be needed to be created twice (everything ranging from new NPC's to things such as wh effects etc.). So to be honest they could not keep supporting two gfx engines. And with the age of the original 3d engine it was time to upgrade it... --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs |
Wizzkidy
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Posted - 2009.07.27 11:11:00 -
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I understand in a way but also there is no doubt about it that CCP will have lost customers, Of course I can go home and play the game on my decent machine - it works fine. But in the office I have even tried the next step up (Intel GM945) and that ALSO stuggles to play the game!! - I mean this laptop isn't very old at all and the 945 is a decent intigrated card which before hand would of played the game no issus what so ever, yet this has problems as well.
Some people will only have laptops to play with - some don't know a lot about PC's and end up buying a laptop or desktop WITH a intigrated Intel card, shame they no longer support them like they use too
On another note - wtf is up witht he forum atm..posting a reply isa nightmare!
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Comac Duskrunner
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Posted - 2009.07.27 11:14:00 -
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hah! A hand crack
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