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Awesome Possum
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Posted - 2009.08.01 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound Consequently do they stop being criminals once you have changed the law.
Yes and no. If they committed the act before the law was changed, they are still considered criminals until the statute of limitation runs out.
If they have only committed the act after the law was changed, then they are not criminals.
Welcome to Law 101.
I'm enjoying this discussion so much, I especially love all you white knights.
If a female didn't want to be a ****star/hooker, maybe she should've paid attention in school more. Instead they daydream of going to Hollywood and being the next big singer/actor, and ending up sucking off mandingo for $20 a shot.
There are perfectly healthy, unabused females who go into ****/escort for one simple reason. They know sex sells and that guys are morons that'll pour cash into it. Trophy wives/girlfriends are the same thing. ♥
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Awesome Possum
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Posted - 2009.08.01 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Awesome Possum People have been selling sex for millennia. Nothing will stop it.
The law does not stop crime. It reduces crime.
Even when you put the death penalty on murder do people continue to commit murder.
It is no reason to legalize prostitution or any other crime.
Its only a crime if it is illegal.
And prohibition makes a mockery of your thought that laws reduce crime. ♥
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Xen Gin
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Posted - 2009.08.01 16:12:00 -
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Edited by: Xen Gin on 01/08/2009 16:12:34
Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Awesome Possum People have been selling sex for millennia. Nothing will stop it.
The law does not stop crime. It reduces crime.
If you think it does, then you are sadly out of touch with reality.
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.08.01 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum Its only a crime if it is illegal.
And prohibition makes a mockery of your thought that laws reduce crime.
No, it does not.
How can you now compare the prohibition with prostitution? The prohibition in the United States, which is what I guess you are referring to, was introduced while everyone was drinking alcohol. Of course it had to fail.
Try today to declare smoking as illegal and it will fail just the same, which is why it is being banned only slowly.
Prostitution however is not a wide spread problem and therefore does it not require legalization or a step-by-step program to solve it. --
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Tajwel Kura
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Posted - 2009.08.02 15:25:00 -
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Edited by: Tajwel Kura on 02/08/2009 15:29:44
Originally by: Whitehound
How can you now compare the prohibition with prostitution? The prohibition in the United States, which is what I guess you are referring to, was introduced while everyone was drinking alcohol. Of course it had to fail.
Prostitution however is not a wide spread problem and therefore does it not require legalization or a step-by-step program to solve it.
There are 6.7 billion people on the planet and half of them are male. On average 25% of males worldwide visit prostitutes. In some countries, like US that percentage is low and the whole activity is very hush-hush and not advertised. So if you lived in US and never stuck your nose out, of course it would seem like nobody around does it. In other countries that percentage is very high. Average comes down to around a quarter.
Now 25% of world's male population, that's 0.8 billion of johns involved. Adding in all the prostitutes themselves and everyone else who is involved in the business that figure is even higher. And this is not a wide-spread problem to you? What planet are you living on again?
Going back to prohibition though, when drinking was made illegal criminal organizations made a lot of money off of it. Today's criminal groups get immensely rich from prostitution and human trafficking like they did off alcohol back in the days when it was illegal. Only it is no longer a drink that is involved, but women, children, and even sometimes men and boys who have nobody to turn to because they would be treated as criminals even if they did.
So best way to go about it is allow prostitution like alcohol was allowed, eliminate the criminal element that gets rich off it by allowing lawful sale of sex services, and help those who have fallen into it to enable them to get out of the situation that they are in. Not close our eyes and treat them as criminals like you want to do it.
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Tajwel Kura
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Posted - 2009.08.02 15:47:00 -
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Edited by: Tajwel Kura on 02/08/2009 15:53:16
Originally by: Whitehound Try today to declare smoking as illegal and it will fail just the same, which is why it is being banned only slowly.
And by the way, the main reason there is a reduction in harmful behavior of smoking right now is that people get educated about the dangers of it. Not because it was ever made illegal.
People now know it causes lung cancer, they know it is highly addictive, they have seen advertisements on TV about people who had their voice boxes removed because of cance. I remember seeing those ads when I was 12 or 13. So now they can make a choice.
Sex on the other hand is advertised as something glamorous. Pron is in style. If you talk about watching **** to your friends in game at most they will just laugh about it. And what goes in Vegas has always stayed in Vegas. There is very little outreach about prostitution and human trafficking. There is very little education about it and what harmful effects it has on society so that people can later on in life make the right choice. And there is little to no help that the girls who get pulled into it can get, because hey, they are criminals after all.
Education is the main tool in the hands of a civilized and organized society. Criminalization and prohibition is the way of backwards, barbaric societies that will chop of your hands if you steal bread. Which world do you stand for?
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.08.02 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Tajwel Kura On average 25% of males worldwide visit prostitutes.
What is your point? All you have done is to bring another incoherent argument. I do not even know if you are for prostitution or against it. And are these 25% of all men seeing prostitutes on a daily basis or just once in their whole lifetime?
I repeat the one number, which you should be thinking about, for you:
Originally by: Mr Reeth Would you leave prostitution: 87%
You can use the number and type it into a calculator. I think women do not like prostitution, but for some this is news. --
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.08.02 16:03:00 -
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Edited by: Whitehound on 02/08/2009 16:06:00
Originally by: Tajwel Kura Criminalization and prohibition is the way of backwards, barbaric societies that will chop of your hands if you steal bread. Which world do you stand for?
Are we chopping off the hands of prostitutes and their "customers"?
People then stop smoking, because of the increasing costs and the fewer places where they are allowed to smoke. And, yes, a better information helps, too. --
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Evthron Macyntire
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Posted - 2009.08.02 16:17:00 -
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They should legalize prostitution, and make it a government run monopoly, anything outside of that is illegal, anything circumventing the law (escort services) would be illegal. Photo ID mandatory.
Since only illegal prostitutes are neglected and exploited, everyone wins.
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Tajwel Kura
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Posted - 2009.08.02 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Tajwel Kura On average 25% of males worldwide visit prostitutes.
What is your point? All you have done is to bring another incoherent argument. I do not even know if you are for prostitution or against it. And are these 25% of all men seeing prostitutes on a daily basis or just once in their whole lifetime?
I repeat the one number, which you should be thinking about, for you:
Originally by: Mr Reeth Would you leave prostitution: 87%
You can use the number and type it into a calculator. I think women do not like prostitution, but for some this is news.
You started contradicting yourself here. Before you start arguing may be you should trying making some sense at least inside your own head and think before you type. Like with smoking and drinking, I highly doubt that anyone who has such a need only does it once in their lifetime and then totally stops it. You're not making any sense here again.
These 87% of these women who want to leave will never admit that they are prostitutes and never seek help to leave prostitution because you just labeled them criminals.
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Tajwel Kura
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Posted - 2009.08.02 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound Edited by: Whitehound on 02/08/2009 16:11:12
Originally by: Tajwel Kura Criminalization and prohibition is the way of backwards, barbaric societies that will chop of your hands if you steal bread. Which world do you stand for?
Are we chopping off the hands of prostitutes and their "customers"?
People then stop smoking, because of the increasing costs and the fewer places where they are allowed to smoke. And, yes, a better information politic helps, too.
Your approach to punish in this case is simply inhumane.
Ok so you dont pay $3 a pack, you pay $6. ZOMG! entire 3 bucks, you're gonna go broke. The places where you cannot smoke you spend very little time in & you can always wait and smoke afterwards. Which brings up back to the point that people don't smoke or pick up smoking because they know the consequences & because they will be reprimanded for it by their friends and loved ones saying "you know you can get lung cancer from it" etc. Not because they have to pay $3 more and can't afford that or cannot go out of a restaurant and smoke outside.
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Enakaru
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Posted - 2009.08.02 19:31:00 -
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Chateu D'if
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.08.02 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: Tajwel Kura ...
I do not contradict myself. You are taking it further off the topic.
And no one is labelling prostitutes as criminals here.
Do you think of people who get caught speeding as criminals and do you label them? No, you do not. If anyone needs to be labelled as criminal then it is the men who use prostitutes.
This thread was originally about teenagers in prison, and because Awesome Possum wanted wanted to legalize prostitution are we now talking about it. Prostitution has very little to do with prohibition. This is now about the abuse of women living in poverty also known as prostitution. Prohibition is about the abuse of alcohol. Women are then not the same as alcohol ... --
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baltec1
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Posted - 2009.08.02 20:54:00 -
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Edited by: baltec1 on 02/08/2009 20:58:41
Originally by: Malcanis
Loathe as I am to questions News 24's status in the peer reviewed publications league table, I dont have a TV, and was hoping for something a tad more tangible.
I spend 8 to 12 hours a night with only news 24 to keep me company, had that 30 min show come up twice a night for a week so I get to know these things by heart
Although thankfully for half of the eve population moderate use is fine (unless you go for a drive). Insidently they hightlighted the big problem of drugs in jails today, aparently there are on average 10 prison guards in every UK jail who have been flagged for supplying things to prisoners.
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