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Xaldor
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.29 03:07:00 -
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Just curious, I know some people make a fortune on betting, others are loaded with isk and have an ego the size of a small planet. I wonder if anyone has been bribed to throw tournament games before.
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Ohne
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.07.29 04:12:00 -
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Yes, we do it all the time.
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Cheekything
Gallente Fallen Angel's Blade.
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Posted - 2009.07.29 08:15:00 -
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of course, everyone knows that every team bets on the other and tries their best to lose.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.29 14:17:00 -
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i've never won a match without paying the other team to take a dive
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CCP Soundwave
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Posted - 2009.07.29 15:11:00 -
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I'd be really surprised if this has not happened a few times in the past. Probably happens less these days, but back when we still had the group system and teams played more matches, sure.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.29 16:47:00 -
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In all seriousness, no i don't think anyone has ever been bribed to throw a match in the tournament, people's egos are too involved and if you think you'll win anyway then why waste the ISK plus it'd probly take more ISK than it would be worth most of the time. I have thrown a match (for strategic reasons) and bet on the other side tho
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2009.07.29 20:08:00 -
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BoB had the ref in their bag back in the day, intermittent firing of the ECM Burst I'm sure wasn't just him having a root beer too many.
Yeah I said it!
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.29 20:12:00 -
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paranoid much?
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2009.07.29 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk paranoid much?
Nah just bitter, those 100s of billions in prizes converted to isk would've helped Rasa more than it did BoB.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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QwaarJet
Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.07.29 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk i've never won a match without paying the other team to take a dive
Confirming this.
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CCP Soundwave
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Posted - 2009.07.29 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk In all seriousness, no i don't think anyone has ever been bribed to throw a match in the tournament, people's egos are too involved and if you think you'll win anyway then why waste the ISK plus it'd probly take more ISK than it would be worth most of the time. I have thrown a match (for strategic reasons) and bet on the other side tho
I think there's probably been one or two. With the old group system, there would certainly have been teams who could throw games for a monetary gain, and still advance.
It's a little like selling spots, it gets a lot of focus this time around because it's up for public bidding by a CSM member, but it's gone on at a much less public level for a long time.
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Xaldor
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.30 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk In all seriousness, no i don't think anyone has ever been bribed to throw a match in the tournament, people's egos are too involved and if you think you'll win anyway then why waste the ISK plus it'd probly take more ISK than it would be worth most of the time. I have thrown a match (for strategic reasons) and bet on the other side tho
You wouldn't need to bribe the whole team, if you knew one guy on the opposition team that had... loose morals then you could pay that person off and he might target the wrong ship for example and split fire and you would leave him as the last man standing, you would only need to pay off one guy to totally throw a match.
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Andor Traxel
Nebula Rasa Vanguard Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2009.07.30 20:41:00 -
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http://eve-search.com/thread/438482/page/1#5 Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk paranoid much?
Hmmmm.....
Remember this?(this nerf was unnerfed a short time after that tourney btw...
or this?
Then of course the match against BoB......
Then this....
which led to this......
I could go on.
What you call paranoia, I call a healthy respect for the truth. The facts speak for themselves.
What was that again Tyrrax?
Are we paranoid?
LMAO
I don't think so just reproggrammed, shafted, cheated, cheated again, shafted again, and marginalized.
Ciao
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.31 01:12:00 -
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Wait so who are you suggesting was biased ? LeMonde ? GM Nova ? both ? i clicked those links and all I saw was lots of bitterness which i'd already seen ages ago
I competed in and followed all of the tournaments quite closely and I don't think there was any bias. Yeah they messed up various things in all of them, occasionally changed rules in mid-stream and made shoddy judgement calls but hey they're not machines and they've been consistently improving entire time.
(apart from the lack of lemonade)
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2009.07.31 03:15:00 -
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Originally by: Andor Traxel
Paranoia with just a smidge of icelandic curry.
We really went overboard on the MC thing but this was in no small part due to them being tight with BoB, who owned the former ref LeMonde/Vegeta.
Who knew how deep the rot ran and who else to think capable of such a thing but the biggest merc outfit out there? Them being in desperate need of a good showing. It was just the wrong people at the wrong time.
I don't feel bad for going off the deep end and calling them out on a perceived bias, since I think that's what any good captain should do when he knows the ref is likely to favor the powerhouse opponent, whom you can ill afford to give an inch.
Honestly who didn't want to see Mercenary Coalition do well and advance to the elimination rounds so bad?
The damage was done to our team that tournament, since there's been no re-matches to date we had no illusions. The aim was to raise the awareness to a conscious level minimizing the arbitrary calls in favor of said powerhouse.
In the light of that debacle if just goes to show that you don't need to pay people to fold, forum assassination worked, surprisingly.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.31 08:13:00 -
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Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 31/07/2009 08:14:39
You're full of shit. But then that's probably obvious to anyone who's read your previous forum ranting Andor so helpfully linked to.
LeMonde was a great tournament organizer, he also never had any particular involvement with BoB - their successes were entirely TWD's doing.
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Tiamat Key
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Posted - 2009.07.31 08:38:00 -
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Edited by: Tiamat Key on 31/07/2009 08:43:22 "Nebula Rasa - even more bitter than Morsus Mihi, just more subdued about it normally."
Get over yourself and stop making things up to make up for the fact that you're a nonfactor.
Edit: Haha, wow. Look at those Nebula Rasa go in those threads. "THEY USED FACTION AMMO, THAT'S A FACTION MODULE!"
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Andor Traxel
Nebula Rasa Vanguard Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2009.07.31 09:09:00 -
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The facts speak for themselves.
You asked I answered.
Jealous much?
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Tiamat Key
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Posted - 2009.07.31 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Andor Traxel The facts speak for themselves.
You asked I answered.
Jealous much?
What facts? The only evident fact here is the fact that you are complaining for no reason at all.
Also, jealous of what exactly...? I don't think you have anything to be remotely jealous of.
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Andor Traxel
Nebula Rasa Vanguard Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2009.07.31 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: Tiamat Key Edited by: Tiamat Key on 31/07/2009 08:43:22 "Nebula Rasa - even more bitter than Morsus Mihi, just more subdued about it normally."
Get over yourself and stop making things up to make up for the fact that you're a nonfactor.
Edit: Haha, wow. Look at those Nebula Rasa go in those threads. "THEY USED FACTION AMMO, THAT'S A FACTION MODULE!"
Non Factor...... Is that right.... when you progress to the semifinals hit me up, but then again we did that with half the team under 8m skill-points and no pirate implants in a time when they where considered essential. Matter of factly we beat a 4-0 team in the round of 16 that had more sps for every character than we had on our entire team. Just lucky I guess. The way I remember it, before us there was no such thing as a RR BS fleet, it was all about the damage...Just because you suck horribly at this game and know it; Please don't marginalize us. You could never even hope to accomplish what we have; your disrespect proves your idiocy.
Some Nebula Rasa Firsts....
First team to use drones as a primary weapon.... check. First team to use a faction cruiser.....check. First team to field a command processor... check. First team to use t2 sentry drones.....check First team to totalhelldeath with only t1 hulls...check. First team that was not an alliance become an alliance just to humiliate idiots like you...check
and.... First tourney captain to have vent sex on the SF server...check
Why do you even try?
Please compound our legend....
Andor
P.S. I think you should take up being a flatworm, then you might be comparatively intelligent.
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Andor Traxel
Nebula Rasa Vanguard Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2009.07.31 10:02:00 -
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Jealous much?
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Tiamat Key
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Posted - 2009.07.31 10:04:00 -
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There is no :facepalm: gif even remotely big enough for you.
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Andor Traxel
Nebula Rasa Vanguard Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2009.07.31 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Tiamat Key There is no :facepalm: gif even remotely big enough for you.
Jealous much?
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2009.07.31 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 31/07/2009 08:14:39
You're full of shit. But then that's probably obvious to anyone who's read your previous forum ranting Andor so helpfully linked to.
LeMonde was a great tournament organizer, he also never had any particular involvement with BoB - their successes were entirely TWD's doing.
First of all Andor stop responding to the alt flamebait. You need to take my class in Forumwhoring 101.
Second LeMonde/Vegeta was a member of BoB, TAOSP more precisely, at the time and as such the intermittent firing of the ECM Burst that entire tournament is questionable at best.
Him being a current member of your outfit GHSC and you being his sole champion here, how does that come across?
Just stating facts as we see them, LeMonde was crooked and we don't ever want him back. GM Nova was less than stellar in his first tournament but his team is improving every time since.
There need be no more flames from Rasa derailing this thread further.
Can we get back to people getting paid to take a dive? I recall The Honda Accord having a traitor on their team for one, paid or planted?
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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CCP Soundwave
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Posted - 2009.07.31 15:59:00 -
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Edited by: CCP Soundwave on 31/07/2009 16:00:16
LeMonde was before my time at CCP, so I don't know him personally.
Nova on the other hand is fantastic, and I have full confidence in his team. They have done a stellar job in the tournaments I have been a part of, and there is no one I would rather have running the tournament, than him.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.01 00:05:00 -
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Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 01/08/2009 00:08:30
Originally by: Danton Marcellus Second LeMonde/Vegeta was a member of BoB, TAOSP more precisely, at the time and as such the intermittent firing of the ECM Burst that entire tournament is questionable at best.
He was in TAOSP for under two months, and it wasn't during any tournament, I remember some people talking about laggy / badly timed ECM bursts, probably due to oh I don't know the laggy nodes we were on ? What makes you think any good team would need or want that kind of help to beat you ? Sounds to me like just another excuse losing teams tend to latch onto, shit happens, deal with it instead of being a crybaby.
I know I would've told him to go fuck himself if he tried to cheat on my behalf, and I'm 99% sure he never would've considered doing so. (PS; he was much tighter with me than he was with TWD at the time so if he was going to cheat for anyone it sure as hell wouldn't have been for the reigning champion who had no need of it) LeMonde took the tournament extremely seriously and did a great job (in my expert opinion).
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Him being a current member of your outfit GHSC and you being his sole champion here, how does that come across?
I'm his champion here because I know him quite well - I also know the tourney quite well and we're friends, but I assure you he has plenty of other friends and he quit at CCP on his own, as far as I know there was never even any suspicion of him doing anything wrong. (except from you i guess?)
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Just stating facts as we see them, LeMonde was crooked and we don't ever want him back. GM Nova was less than stellar in his first tournament but his team is improving every time since.
There need be no more flames from Rasa derailing this thread further.
CCP would be lucky to have him back but I don't think you have anything to worry about there since he's busy with university in a different country.
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Can we get back to people getting paid to take a dive? I recall The Honda Accord having a traitor on their team for one, paid or planted?
I've had spies/saboteurs on other people's teams but nobody I had to bribe.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2009.08.01 00:57:00 -
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 01/08/2009 01:02:07
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
What makes you think any good team would need or want that kind of help to beat you ?
They did need and want our help to beat us, they were given time to go back and activate offlined modules on a key ship, without it they would've lost.
Someone said they went back to tinker with their ship twice, the second time without consulting us if we were ok with it. Hearsay and since I can't give you the source I've not stressed this infraction before.
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
I know I would've told him to go fuck himself if he tried to cheat on my behalf, and I'm 99% sure he never would've considered doing so. (PS; he was much tighter with me than he was with TWD at the time so if he was going to cheat for anyone it sure as hell wouldn't have been for the reigning champion who had no need of it) LeMonde took the tournament extremely seriously and did a great job (in my expert opinion).
Not everyone has high moral values and judging BoB from their track record of offlining POS' to win fights this was right up their alley. Especially considering the then staggering value of the prizes.
The drone AI was changed midtournament, not a good break for us, being drone based. I don't read any conspiracies into that, I just think it's bad form to release patches like that in the middle of a major event.
The drones got more stupid and sure BoB could've achieved a cycle damp/jam combo even with the ECM Burst fired. It never was, our cruisers had triple sensor boosters and primary was the Bhaalgorn. We started with drones out and yet our fire was all over the place as pre-locked frigates were drawing drone aggro away from the primary.
The Bhaalgorn almost went down anyways with split damage all over the field, with focused fire it would've been a certainty.
No disrespect to Ronin but they had a weak showing in the final that followed and I think we would've dismissed them as easily as BoB did and taken the tournament.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.01 01:12:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 01/08/2009 01:02:07
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
What makes you think any good team would need or want that kind of help to beat you ?
They did need and want our help to beat us, they were given time to go back and activate offlined modules on a key ship, without it they would've lost.
By that kind of help I mean a referee purposely cheating on their behalf which is what you were saying LeMonde the "BoB member" did. (you don't have a comment on him not having been in BoB during any tournament ?) As far as I'm concerned at worst he was guilty of making a mistake that wouldn't have been a problem for a team that was on the ball and had redirected their drones right away.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2009.08.01 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Originally by: Danton Marcellus Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 01/08/2009 01:02:07
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
What makes you think any good team would need or want that kind of help to beat you ?
They did need and want our help to beat us, they were given time to go back and activate offlined modules on a key ship, without it they would've lost.
By that kind of help I mean a referee purposely cheating on their behalf which is what you were saying LeMonde the "BoB member" did. (you don't have a comment on him not having been in BoB during any tournament ?) As far as I'm concerned at worst he was guilty of making a mistake that wouldn't have been a problem for a team that was on the ball and had redirected their drones right away.
You know as well as I do that people have loyalties places they're not openly members of, only a few GHSC operators are actually members I'm sure. It would be hard to do what you do in the open and I'm sure you're not the only ones that have members not on the roster.
The drone AI was new to us at the time and our team being cycle dampened/jammed could not see other targets being hit instead of the primary since all everyone was ever occupied with was to get back the lock on our primary.
We had a very small team so there were no reliable and experienced spotters for the sideline, there has been since. But like I was saying, the drones behavior was somewhat new to us and coupled with LeMondes 'mistake' that was the end.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.01 01:35:00 -
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Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 01/08/2009 01:36:08
TWD's ego was far too big for me to believe he'd cheat against an inferior opponent (don't think anyone considered you guys to be one of the top teams of that tourney)
and the LeMonde i know isn't nearly dumb enough to pull a t20 and abuse his position like that, that and he actually cared about the tournament so not a chance he would've done anything to hurt it (he even organized and ran his own team a couple of times after he quit his job at CCP)
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