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Ezevector
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Posted - 2009.07.29 19:39:00 -
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Okay, here's the deal. EVE is overflowing with non-sentient dip****s. This is pretty normal. They also hide behind the same slobbering ****** excuses, which they don't even understand well enough to realize are complete nonsense. We all know these soundbites:
"l2p" (Translation: "I do not comprehend basic game mechanics enough to realize your skill as a player has little bearing on the fact that my gate-camping battleship blob just blew up your cruiser.") "Sorry, you were in lowsec" (Translation: "I didn't kill you, society did.") "Cry more, n00b" (Translation: "I need this. My stepfather ****s me.") "Go play on a PvE server." (Translation: ...I don't even know where to start.)
And, of course, there is the sacred mantra of the greatest of *******s, the one parroted mindlessly over and over any time anyone says anything about the fact that they're ****ing people off for it's own sake:
"If you don't like it, play something else."
To those people, I say this: pull your head out of your ass, you God damn hypocrite. You're perfectly willing to discount the way other people want to play, but you scream your balls out if anyone suggests ganking be curbed. Hey, I've got an idea: how about we remove PvP completely and YOU go play something else? Oh wait, you don't like that? Then shut the **** up.
To CCP, I give the following warning: these ****s are defining the play experience your game offers. This "**** you, go play something else" atmosphere is what defines your game, whether you intended that or not. And when there is so much hostility, so much antagonism, and so much intolerance, that gives a lot of oomph to that suggestion. If a new player gets killed for absolutely no reason, posts or EVEmails about it, and is subsequently ridiculed and told to quit the game, is it that unreasonable to think they might do just that? Being ganked isn't fun, being ridiculed isn't fun, and being told you're not welcome isn't fun. Being reassured that it's just part of the game really just tells them "sorry, this game isn't meant to be fun."
You can't wash your hands of it with simple warnings not to go into lowsec. If you are going to use that excuse, you need to make the game playable without going into lowsec. I avoid lowsec like the plague, yet I've been railroaded into the loss of four ships in lowsec anyway just in the last week. The only L2+ missions available to me are in lowsec or require going through lowsec to get to. There is a difference of dozens of jumps in nav routes if I avoid lowsec. My L1 missions constantly try to throw me into lowsec. Warning players against going into lowsec doesn't help if you try to shove them in at every turn.
The forums make it look like it isn't that big of a problem, but it's not really hard to figure out why: the players who quit aren't allowed to post anymore. There may be fifty thousand people who agree that something is a big enough problem to ruin the game completely, but not a single one of them will post about it, because they already quit over it. The people who feel the strongest about problems can never post about them. So instead you get a few people like me, along with ten thousand ****s saying "you obviously don't care that much, since you're still playing."
And, finally, to everyone else: You have a right to call gankers out. Their soundbites are bull****. The game mechanics mean they can ruin the fun of other people for little consequence, but that doesn't obligate you to put up with it, let alone defend it. Calling someone a ****stick because they're ruining things for everyone does not make you a whiner, because the truth is, they really are ****sticks for doing it. They really are just ruining people's fun for a cheap thrill, and accepting that only makes it worse. I say we call them exactly what they are, and if they don't like it, they can go play something else.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.07.29 19:40:00 -
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You seem pretty angry about something. I hope it works out for you.
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Discrodia
Gallente Guardian Legion SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.07.29 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis You seem pretty angry about something. I hope it works out for you.
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Discrodia > Annoying idiots in 0.0 is my business. Business keeps picking up. Discrodia > I also like misquoting stuff :D |
Danadur
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.07.29 19:42:00 -
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Edited by: Danadur on 29/07/2009 19:52:12 QQ more tearz pls, very tasty.
tl;dr lookie at me, I can makez a postie with lotz of st*********rz
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Accidentally Myname
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Posted - 2009.07.29 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis You seem pretty angry about something. I hope it works out for you.
This --^ And can I has ur stuffs?
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Alex Galax
Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2009.07.29 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Accidentally Myname
Originally by: Malcanis You seem pretty angry about something. I hope it works out for you.
This --^ And can I has ur stuffs?
his stuff went boom :(
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.07.29 19:50:00 -
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So I take it you went into low sec and got gang ****d by a load of pirates who then did unspeakable things to your corpse.
Welcomes to eve, the only MMO around that will punish you for your mistakes.
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Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.07.29 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Ezevector
"Go play on a PvE server." (Translation: ...I don't even know where to start.)
You forgot "Go back to WoW" ________________________________________________
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Jaina Proudmoar
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Posted - 2009.07.29 19:56:00 -
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Try using more lube and rolling your hips up next time. I hear this makes the experience more enjoyable.
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2009.07.29 19:57:00 -
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So what is the problem again?
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Sniper Wolf18
Gallente A Pretty Pony Princess General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.29 20:00:00 -
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ATTENTION ATTENTION
Ezevector's BUTTHURT LEVELS ARE RISING TO CRITICAL
ALL NON-CRITICAL PERSONELL (carebears) EVACUATE THIS THREAD NOW And to finish, thank you for reading my sig -------------------------------------------------- If you are still reading i would probably hav posted by now |
Salliene
Gallente Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.07.29 20:01:00 -
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I was playing Risk with my brother the other day, but he kept attacking my countries, killing my armies, and taking my territories. Today I am writing an angry letter to Milton Bradley letting them know how many people they are losing by allowing these grief tactics to continue in their game.
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Faife
Divine Retribution Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.07.29 20:03:00 -
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Edited by: Faife on 29/07/2009 20:03:42 i get emo like this everytime i get shot at, including rats
i write NPCs long eve mails asking why they would do that to me.
they never write back.
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K'uata Sayus
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Posted - 2009.07.29 20:09:00 -
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Fer crissakes, find another NPC corp in highsec with L2 agents located near another bunch of hi-sec systems.
Problem solved, have a good life, and enjoy Eve.
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Kiri Serrensun
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Posted - 2009.07.29 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Ezevector You can't wash your hands of it with simple warnings not to go into lowsec. If you are going to use that excuse, you need to make the game playable without going into lowsec. I avoid lowsec like the plague, yet I've been railroaded into the loss of four ships in lowsec anyway just in the last week. The only L2+ missions available to me are in lowsec or require going through lowsec to get to. There is a difference of dozens of jumps in nav routes if I avoid lowsec. My L1 missions constantly try to throw me into lowsec. Warning players against going into lowsec doesn't help if you try to shove them in at every turn.
In the event you're not a troll:
1: Find a new agent (corp info, Agents tab), or turn down missions that require going into lowsec (you can refuse one per 4 hours with no losses).
2: Check the star map for "ship kills in last hour", which will alert you to 90% of gatecamps with two clicks of your mouse. Note which lowsec systems are dead ends, and which are chokepoints.
3: I suggest joining EVE University or Agony Unleashed to learn a bit about PVP. Maybe that'll stop you experiencing combat as being overwhelmed by vastly superior numbers and destroyed in a very fun-less way.
For me, the risk of lowsec exploration makes the game more fun by introducing an element of tension and needing to stay on my guard. I know the quiet areas to hang out in, I know what to look for, and I haven't lost too much stuff there (knock on wood).
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Ivanna Nuke
Daralux
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Posted - 2009.07.29 20:15:00 -
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Edited by: Ivanna Nuke on 29/07/2009 20:15:46 Seriously dude, take a break from EvE and come back after a nights sleep.
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JohnMonty
Gallente Fatalix Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.29 20:20:00 -
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Edited by: JohnMonty on 29/07/2009 20:22:40 poor poor you
also i ave lots of agents in highsec. So yes you can play a small part of the game by not going into lowsec and not interacting with other players
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2009.07.29 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ezevector "l2p" (Translation: "You are missing some information about how the game works; go figure out what you did wrong and try again.")
"Sorry, you were in lowsec" (Translation: "It is low security for a reason, don't come down here unless you are willing to give up the protection of Concord.")
"Cry more, n00b" (Translation: "Sure, you could ask for help so that you understand the game better, and I would gladly help you if you ask a good question, but you are emo raging instead and I find it amusing. Please continue.")
"Go play on a PvE server." (Translation: "Eve is a PvP game, through and through. There is no escaping it. If you don't like that, go find a game where you don't have to compete against others.")
Fixed.
Originally by: Ezevector "If you don't like it, play something else."
Precisely. If you don't like the PvP nature of Eve, then Eve is not for you. Not being mean or nasty - that's just the way it is.
Originally by: Ezevector Hey, I've got an idea: how about we remove PvP completely and YOU go play something else?
See above. Eve was designed to be a PvP game from the very beginning - that is one of the things that makes it unique.
Originally by: Ezevector (Whine about missioning in / near low-sec
Then go find another agent. There's plenty of agents that won't sent you anywhere near low-sec if that isn't your thing.
Originally by: Ezevector And when there is so much hostility, so much antagonism, and so much intolerance
I'll agree that many of Eve's players can be jerks, but I have also found that they are only jerks if you are a jerk or a whiney brat first. I have been popped and podded and ransomed and a dozen other things, but that's part of the game. I wave, send a GF, or if the enemy was exceptionally well organized or executed a plan very well, I'll send an EveMail to them and tell them so.
And you know what? That kind of a response - respect - instead of what you are doing - whining - gives you a different kind of response in return.
Originally by: Ezevector The forums make it look like it isn't that big of a problem, but it's not really hard to figure out why: the players who quit aren't allowed to post anymore.
Nothing stops them from posting BEFORE they quit though - and some do. If the post is well constructed criticism, then you won't get the "L2PLAY" and "WoW IS THAT WAY --->" responses. You'll find that the community as a whole - including the Devs et al. - will listen to what you have to say.
However, your post is not well constructed criticism. This being the case:
Cry more, n00b.
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Iece Quaan
Caldari Aperture Harmonics
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Posted - 2009.07.29 20:29:00 -
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been spending most our lives livin' in a ganker's paradise..
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Anslo
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Posted - 2009.07.29 20:39:00 -
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It doesn't matter, carebears are taking over now, look at most of the recent expansions, all PvE related, not pvp. PvE is taking over, pvp is getting less and less popular. And CCP will continue to cater to carebears, wanna know why? Cash. That's what it comes down to, cold, hard, cash. The majority of players are carebears, and tha majority is the biggest bulk profit for CCP. Bottom line business sense wise, CCP will cater to the bulk, and the bulk are carebears. Get used to it, your "ballscreaming" as OP put it will do you no good. Carebears decide what happens, not pvpers. Get over it :)
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2009.07.29 20:42:00 -
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Quote: "l2p" (Translation: "I do not comprehend basic game mechanics enough to realize your skill as a player has little bearing on the fact that my gate-camping battleship blob just blew up your cruiser.") "Sorry, you were in lowsec" (Translation: "I didn't kill you, society did.") "Cry more, n00b" (Translation: "I need this. My stepfather ****s me.") "Go play on a PvE server." (Translation: ...I don't even know where to start.)
Hold on I think I see what's happening here.
Quote: "l2p" (Translation: "I do not comprehend basic game mechanics enough to realize your skill as a player has little bearing on the fact that my gate-camping battleship blob just blew up your cruiser.")
People don't just say "l2p" out of the blue. I'm guessing you said something about how the battleship blob was a cheap tactic and wasn't fair, in which case the l2p response is justified since a cruiser should be able to evade such blobs. They aren't saying "l2 beat a battleship gang with your cruiser", they're saying "l2 avoid these camps, and don't complain about them in the context of being cheap... for all you know we might be camping here waiting for an incoming battleship gang from a red corp."
Quote: "Sorry, you were in lowsec" (Translation: "I didn't kill you, society did.")
Low Sec's only redeeming quality is that PvP is allowed there. "Sorry, you were in lowsec" is absolutely a valid response to complaints about being destroyed in Low Sec.
Quote: "Cry more, n00b" (Translation: "I need this. My stepfather ****s me.")
Leave Phil out of this. We ain't related so it's all good. That said, complaining in local is generally considered to be bad form. I confess to having done it as a new player. The key is to evolve as a player and learn the countermeasures for the situation that killed you. Every PvP loss ever suffered in this game resulted at least in part from one or more players making an avoidable mistake. I'll except certain smartbomb related losses from this statement however (shuttle or newbship in the wrong place at the wrong time.)
Quote: "Go play on a PvE server." (Translation: ...I don't even know where to start.)
Again, a sarcastic but still valid (in principle) response to complaints about PvP. I wouldn't take this approach myself to explaining the harsh nature of PvP in this game but I still recognize the point they're trying to make.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.07.29 20:43:00 -
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That's some rant. Pity you will never, ever get what you wish for.
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robbyx
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Posted - 2009.07.29 20:57:00 -
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+1...awesome rant of superior quality...
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.07.29 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: Anslo It doesn't matter, carebears are taking over now, look at most of the recent expansions, all PvE related, not pvp. PvE is taking over, pvp is getting less and less popular. And CCP will continue to cater to carebears, wanna know why? Cash. That's what it comes down to, cold, hard, cash. The majority of players are carebears, and tha majority is the biggest bulk profit for CCP. Bottom line business sense wise, CCP will cater to the bulk, and the bulk are carebears. Get used to it, your "ballscreaming" as OP put it will do you no good. Carebears decide what happens, not pvpers. Get over it :)
Confirming that adding 2500 new systems that are not only 0.0 but have delayed local is "catering for the carebear".
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Nito Musashi
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Posted - 2009.07.29 21:02:00 -
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pro tip if you get an agent sending you into low sec to do missions, find another agent that is not on the border to low sec then you will not have to got into low sec border zones that pirates love to camp to get blown up.
otherwise there is that neat button labels DECLINE you can always check the mission location on the map panel and see where it is.
l2p and can we have your stuff and carebear tears ftw.
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.07.29 21:07:00 -
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Lol OP is a carebear.
Hey, OP, you in a player corp? I'm gonna dec you!
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Chadstick
Gallente Smegnet Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.07.29 21:08:00 -
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Edited by: Chadstick on 29/07/2009 21:10:23 Edited by: Chadstick on 29/07/2009 21:09:59 Edited by: Chadstick on 29/07/2009 21:08:35
Originally by: Ezevector
Incoherent blather
"If a new player gets killed for absolutely no reason, posts or EVEmails about it, and is subsequently ridiculed and told to quit the game, is it that unreasonable to think they might do just that?"
More incoherent blather
For the record I've never been killed for no reason. Each time I was killed it's been because the other guy wanted my stuff/tears.
Oh and posting with my main.
Edit: I totally forgot that's what my sig was. How perfect.
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Azirapheal
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.07.29 21:09:00 -
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WH is primarilly pve content, not that i dont trawl it in my pilgrim picking off people here and there...
Originally by: Grohalmatar The proposed changes in the game development forum are obviously a nerf to falcon pilots. However, what they really are is a nerf to falcon alts.
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Anslo
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Posted - 2009.07.29 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Anslo It doesn't matter, carebears are taking over now, look at most of the recent expansions, all PvE related, not pvp. PvE is taking over, pvp is getting less and less popular. And CCP will continue to cater to carebears, wanna know why? Cash. That's what it comes down to, cold, hard, cash. The majority of players are carebears, and tha majority is the biggest bulk profit for CCP. Bottom line business sense wise, CCP will cater to the bulk, and the bulk are carebears. Get used to it, your "ballscreaming" as OP put it will do you no good. Carebears decide what happens, not pvpers. Get over it :)
Confirming that adding 2500 new systems that are not only 0.0 but have delayed local is "catering for the carebear".
yes and confirming that the major part of wh space and entire focus is pve, getting materials from pve to create pve ships. Get over it. Carebears hold on the cards, pvpers now mean nothing :)
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Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.07.29 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: Anslo
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Anslo It doesn't matter, carebears are taking over now, look at most of the recent expansions, all PvE related, not pvp. PvE is taking over, pvp is getting less and less popular. And CCP will continue to cater to carebears, wanna know why? Cash. That's what it comes down to, cold, hard, cash. The majority of players are carebears, and tha majority is the biggest bulk profit for CCP. Bottom line business sense wise, CCP will cater to the bulk, and the bulk are carebears. Get used to it, your "ballscreaming" as OP put it will do you no good. Carebears decide what happens, not pvpers. Get over it :)
Confirming that adding 2500 new systems that are not only 0.0 but have delayed local is "catering for the carebear".
yes and confirming that the major part of wh space and entire focus is pve, getting materials from pve to create pve ships. Get over it. Carebears hold on the cards, pvpers now mean nothing :)
And confirming that the PvPers who "mean nothing" are the ones who give access to the Carebears to do PvE. ________________________________________________
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