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Sir Ibex
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Posted - 2009.07.31 14:53:00 -
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It is my strong belief that the newb tutorial system is STILL very insufficient.
I'd like to propose introducing intelligent/scripted PvP bots. For example a newb can choose to fight against a speedy interceptor or a heavily tanked heavy assault cruiser... or any other class. These ships would be fitted with some of the most common fits and have behavior similar to what a good PvPer should be doing. I understand perfectly well that this will not teach people to become expert PvPers, and you cant possibly predict even half of the possible PvP situations, but this is a hell of a lot better than what is available atm, and this way people wouldn't have to lose ships while learning.
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Discrodia
Gallente Guardian Legion SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.07.31 14:56:00 -
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But that's still PvE and not PvP... ___________________________________________
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Sir Ibex
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Posted - 2009.07.31 15:48:00 -
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I never said fighting bots constitutes as PvP. I said it would HELP prepare people for PvP.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2009.07.31 16:37:00 -
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they are called sleepers. see the wormhole next door.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.07.31 17:46:00 -
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This isn't really needed.
There are plenty of corporations that are already willing to take in new(er) players/toons and show them the ropes of PvP in an actual PvP environment. Eve University [E-UNI] jumps immediately to mind, and the way they keep getting war-decced, there are ample opportunities to get the desired experience.
No Support --Vel
Experience is what you get right after you need it.
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HELIC0N ONE
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.07.31 17:48:00 -
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A wider variety of NPCs to shoot at during the tutorial, with your agent talking you through how things work, introducing NPCs with speed tanks and neuts and e-war and so on would help lay some groundwork for the basic principles that PvP works off. I agree that would be a good improvement to see.
This wouldn't be a 'PvP bot' though and shouldn't really be advertised as such, the whole point of PvP in EVE is that its open and derestricted and can't really be emulated by a scripted rat except in the most basic terms. Setting up a newbie in a fight with a scripted NPC and saying 'well that's how PvP works, you're ready for the big leagues now kid!' will just mislead and frustrate players (especially when they jump into lowsec/0.0 thinking they're hot stuff for PvP and immediately get owned by 20 HACs on a gate!). Player vs Player is best taught by players, and newbies who really do want to learn how it works would be better advised to join one of the corporations like EVE Uni which give real PvP lessons.
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