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Munchees
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.02 08:10:00 -
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(Don't bring politics into here please, this will be stricly about the food industry)
Organic food is a fad AND a sham. Genetically engineered food is far superior because they take less time to grow and less resources to grow. They save energy. On the other side, we have "organic food", which existence is shoved down our throats by groups like Greenpeace (which is ironic when one of their goals is consuming less energy).
Organic food takes longer to grow, needs more water to grow, and is more likely to get diseases (when they are growing, not when you buy them, those are tested, but organic food rots much quicker). There isn't even enough farmland in the world to feed the US alone on organic food.
It's just another way of making money by doing a guilt trip on people, or by scaring people into thinking genetically engineered food is out to get them. Except if the world depended on organic food, even "civilized" countries would have starvation epidemics.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.08.02 08:39:00 -
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Somebody's been watching Penn&Teller's show...
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.02 08:40:00 -
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what you mean by organic food ?
PD: on my parents house used to grow things like tomatoes and this taste much better that ones I buy in supermarket.
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Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.02 08:46:00 -
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Originally by: Munchees Organic food is a fad AND a sham. Genetically engineered food is far superior because they take less time to grow and less resources to grow. They save energy.
how does organic food waste energy when you don't use anything manufactured by humans?
instead chemical fertilizer, you use manure, or even remains of other plants, wich I don't see how is energy wasted (you're actually using something that people usually don't use actually)
only thing where I can see energy wasted is in water collection and distribution.
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Something Random
Gallente Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.08.02 10:41:00 -
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OP is so wrong the wrong police have issued a gag on sight.
Organic food is food grown the old way, nothing more nothing less. Saying there isn't enough farmland in the world to feed America alone is laughable - 0/10 - however it does open up the thread for some serious America bashing.
Its a personal choice thing, and personally i like the old way of dealing with nature.
Choice is key in this matter, forcing genetically modified products onto people is a terrible idea as is not keeping a good clear pure genetic line of cereal crops and vegetables. Its genetically modified crops that are the unsustainable sham, as is being seen in Indias farming communities where they have been almost forced to buy more expensive modified seed on the promise of greater returns only to find the crops fail catastrophically taking the farmers there families and the village with them in some cases.
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.02 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Something Random in Indias farming communities where they have been almost forced to buy more expensive modified seed on the promise of greater returns only to find the crops fail catastrophically taking the farmers there families and the village with them in some cases.
this remember me of documentary The Future of Food
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Kurfin
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Posted - 2009.08.02 11:47:00 -
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The big plus with organic food is that is far less damaging to the local eco-system than conventional chemical based farming methods. By removing the insects that live on the crops you are eliminating a very important part of the food chain.
Genetically modified food could increase crop yield but without pesticides and chemical fertilizers and the environmental damage that comes with it. So if done carefully GM could give similar results to conventional farm but without the environmental impact.
Of course we wouldn't need to intensively farm as much if we didn't waste so much food...
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Something Random
Gallente Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.08.02 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kurfin Of course we wouldn't need to intensively farm as much if we didn't waste so much food...
This is far more the meat(veg) of the issue. So i quote it for truth.
Im not totally against modified crops but i am highly suspicious of it. I have to admit that even in a small way its been going on since the dawn of farming.
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Liberi Fatalius Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.08.02 12:08:00 -
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I won't say that one is superior to the other, but at the end of the day there's no evidence that either is better or worse for you so I'll go for whatever's going cheaper in the supermarket.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.08.02 12:19:00 -
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I refuse to eat inorganic food.
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Zarro Starkiler
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.08.02 12:24:00 -
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The more synthetic something is the better.
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.02 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina but at the end of the day there's no evidence that either is better or worse
quoted a man that never have the opportunity to taste both type of food
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annoing
Amarr Mortis Angelus The Church.
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Posted - 2009.08.02 12:52:00 -
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The major difference between Organically grown food and regular farmed food is the taste. If you are willing to pay the extra for Organic you pay for the extra taste. The reason it rots quicker is that as 'organic' its not covered in wax (for fruit) and/or preservatives (for veg). I have to give regular vegatables a damn good wash before I use them, with organic food I dont have to... straight into the steamer. Organic meat tends NOT to be force-fed and neither is it pumped full of anti-biotics as part of its regular diet. Again, the taste is palpable.
Given a choice, my family prefer organic for the taste alone. However, the price means I have to shop clever.
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Janice Jankowski
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Posted - 2009.08.02 14:10:00 -
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I think that the OP was referring to efficiency of resource use. Pesticides etc are used for a purpose (increasing yield by reducing waste) and if you take them out then you need to increase the amount of growing space in order to produce the same amount
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Xen Gin
Solar Excavations Ultd. Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.02 14:11:00 -
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The thing is there are two types of organic food, one is the pure natural way, and the other is the organic chemical pesticides way that can be used.
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Iasius
Mercurialis Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.08.02 14:24:00 -
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Got nothing against genetically engineered food. Organically grown food is another tree hugger bandwagon. But its good to grow your own food. The shared accomadation i live in grows veggies in our garden.
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KrogothZero
Caldari eXceed Inc. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.08.02 15:53:00 -
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Edited by: KrogothZero on 02/08/2009 15:54:20 Organic relates to non GM and no chemical pesticides.
I dont think there is much of a debate on the pesticides side of things - the damage to eco systems and us is pretty obvious.
GM - Personally I am on the side of yes as it'll save a lot of resources, be nicer etc. However in reality you need to remember that the GM process was done by the lowest bidder and it was probally rushed to market as they wanted a return on their investment. Its also highly unlikely and any extensive testing as been done in regards to how this new species will interact with the existing enviroment or even us long term. Due to these reasons I try to avoid GM..
This is a bit of a non issue anyway as codex alimentarius has already chosen GM for us. Whilst I dont agree with how thats come about, in 20 years when we have a pop of 9.3bn were pretty fcked if we arent using GM.
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Evthron Macyntire
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Posted - 2009.08.02 16:07:00 -
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Edited by: Evthron Macyntire on 02/08/2009 16:09:29 Organic food has the same nutritional value as GMO food. You are just paying triple the cost for flavour.
Veggies still taste bad, so I buy mine for a third of what you pay.
And yes, it is a fad. It is a niche market.
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TrustThePilot
Valor Inc. Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2009.08.02 17:05:00 -
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Organic food is stupid. Farmers charge up to 40% more for organic products, presumably due to a more labour intensive and lower yield type of farm practice. And all the while the conscience driven consumer is drawn to buying courgettes with the soil still on them for a hugely inflated price. This is 'ethical', apparently.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.08.02 17:23:00 -
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There is no regulation in place for organic food, so anything can be labeled as organic in order to jack up prices.
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Rune v3nus
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Posted - 2009.08.02 18:10:00 -
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Edited by: Rune v3nus on 02/08/2009 18:18:04 yes genetic food is good everyone eat genetic food it is healthy go go everyone
we neeeeed genetic food and its industry in order to survive on this planet we cannot ever sustain ourself with what has been already given to us we really really NEEED this industry to protect us
if you are a good christian seriously consider donating money to them they doing planet earth an invaluable service
dont grow your own food in your garden - it is dangerous - it is unpure - it is polluting your body
children go out and welcome them singing they are ushering in a new age for mankind
come come children eat from this healthy food
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Atomos Darksun
Damage Incorporated. MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.08.02 18:23:00 -
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The real thing you need to worry about is meat products. You know all those growth hormones they pump into the animals, that you eat then afterwards?
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goodby4u
Valor Inc. Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2009.08.02 18:26:00 -
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Edited by: goodby4u on 02/08/2009 18:27:37 Edited by: goodby4u on 02/08/2009 18:26:47 Depends on your definition of genetically engineered...
I and my family grow several plants including peppers, tomatoes and whatnot... When I get one plant that does remarkably well growing the tomato I will use that plant's seeds next year due in part to it being genetically better then the other plants(or atleast in the hope it is genetically better).
This can be considered genetically engineering the crop by weeding out the "bad seeds" and only using the good ones, not to mention organic is a problematic definition of food grown the old fashioned way as the definition of organic is a substance containing carbon.
Personally if I could afford it I would buy organic, however more often then not I just buy the normal stuff because it costs less and tastes the same.
.... But what do I know? I don't eat very many veggies myself aside from salsa.
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Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2009.08.02 18:27:00 -
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tbh, only health nuts and/or crazed people are worried about such things like "organic" foodstuff.
If you're so high-strung about it, grow your own ****ing food.
Hate having this topic come up time and time again with my crazy aunt, telling me a sandwich I made for myself is full of unnatural "crap that'll kill me". The last thing I want is some ****up telling me how I should eat my own food... -
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Arvald
Caldari Imperial Manufactorum
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Posted - 2009.08.02 18:58:00 -
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organic or non organic i really dont give a crap, i will buy whatever is cheaper when i have to but i usually just grow my own veggies
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.02 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Atomos Darksun The real thing you need to worry about is meat products. You know all those growth hormones they pump into the animals, that you eat then afterwards?
u know where are many country's that dont have money to buy that hormones you should buy meat from there from time to time
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Evthron Macyntire
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Posted - 2009.08.02 21:30:00 -
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Edited by: Evthron Macyntire on 02/08/2009 21:33:04 Edited by: Evthron Macyntire on 02/08/2009 21:31:48
Originally by: goodby4u Edited by: goodby4u on 02/08/2009 18:27:37 Edited by: goodby4u on 02/08/2009 18:26:47 Depends on your definition of genetically engineered...
I and my family grow several plants including peppers, tomatoes and whatnot... When I get one plant that does remarkably well growing the tomato I will use that plant's seeds next year due in part to it being genetically better then the other plants(or atleast in the hope it is genetically better).
This can be considered genetically engineering the crop by weeding out the "bad seeds" and only using the good ones, not to mention organic is a problematic definition of food grown the old fashioned way as the definition of organic is a substance containing carbon.
Personally if I could afford it I would buy organic, however more often then not I just buy the normal stuff because it costs less and tastes the same.
.... But what do I know? I don't eat very many veggies myself aside from salsa.
No. What you are thinking of is selective breeding. Genetic engineering is tinkering with the plants genetics, aka DNA. Such as removing weak traits and inserting desirable ones.
Process is more or less the same, but still different. Using your logic, everything is a GMO. Even the wool in your sweater.
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Taua Roqa
Minmatar junQtion
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Posted - 2009.08.02 21:37:00 -
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organic food has never been anything more than a profit making label to milk some cash out of people.
why state the blatantly obvious?
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.08.02 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Atomos Darksun The real thing you need to worry about is meat products. You know all those growth hormones they pump into the animals, that you eat then afterwards?
'...If you eat enough meat you want to kill someone, that's the way it works.' -Dennis Leary
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.08.02 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: ceaon
Originally by: Atomos Darksun The real thing you need to worry about is meat products. You know all those growth hormones they pump into the animals, that you eat then afterwards?
u know where are many country's that dont have money to buy that hormones you should buy meat from there from time to time
I don't think it has much to do with having money to buy the hormones, the added yield pay for those easy, it's about some places not wanting roid meat.
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