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Ratchman
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Posted - 2009.08.04 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Hidden Snake
Originally by: Bad Messenger This is the point where Caldari does not have to smack how fail gallente is. Gallente does it now themself.
LOL ... this
Not sure quite why the Caldari should be gloating so much.
Firstly, this is hardly the onset of the 'fall of the Gallente militia'. People still fight and work together. This debate is about the best way to go about it. Gallente still kill more Caldari than vice versa, even outnumbered 2 to 1.
Secondly, part of this discussion has been brought on by the fact that the Caldari are too scared to come out to play in anything other than a large fleet. Of course, if sitting in an empty room chanting 'I'm the king of the world' is your thing, as Bad Messenger seems to spend an awful lot of time doing, then you must consider yourselves quite successful.
Thirdly, when you do get a large fleet together, you have to travel so many more jumps into Minmatar space, where you get spanked anyway, even with Amarr allies in the same system. If you want a fight, you'd want your enemy to be able to field fleets, rather than having to traipse across so much territory.
Yes, the Gallente may have arguments, but healthy discourse helps the militia evolve. The Caldari may be united, but only in travelling backwards every time they see anything that might shoot at them.
Trolling these things only makes you look worse. You're in a militia that outnumbers it's opponents 2 to 1, and is in 'disarray', as you see it, and you still can't keep pace with the kills they are getting.
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Flashh Gorden
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2009.08.04 15:27:00 -
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When the war started most the experianced pvpers and elite corps went to the Gallente side. The caldari were deemed to be a vast amount of noob mission runners and green players just waiting to be shot down in their droves by the more experianced feds.
Great unless of course your in the fed militia and not an elite pvper.
You see the best place to be if your a new player in FW is inside the plexes where the gangs of remote repping Battlehips cant go. Where pirates cant enter with the hacs and comand ships.
The caldari did not have agreat deal of experianced flyers but those few, welcomed new players alongside them and took an active lead in the plex war effort. Plexing allowed a fleet of small ships like destroyers to become very powerful and brought a sense of purpose to many militia members on the caldari side and many tatsed their first pvp inside the plex.
On the fed side the opposite was happening. The most experainced flyers shuned plexes and thus set an example to the rest of the militia.
So what then are the new Gallente pilots suposed to do? The ones who did try plexing got slaughted by the caldari while the more exprianced flyers on their own team lughed at them and refused to help. I dont blame anyone for leaving the Federal militia and going to have fun on the amarr front I would of done the same myself.
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Stu Pendisdick
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.08.04 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Flashh Gorden ................................... I dont blame anyone for leaving the Federal militia and going to have fun on the amarr front I would of done the same myself.
Let me tell ya something from first hand experience, The Minmatar Militia ain't no better than the Gallente. Nothing but a bunch of back-biting, sniping, infighting epeen swinging egomaniacs more interested in RP than in FW. It shows in every failure of that militia to accomplish anything meaningful.
Sadly for the bulk of the pilots, it is only a select, small handful of people who have basically destroyed the Minmatar Milita, a select, small handful with huge egos and small brains and loud mouths.
Too bad for the average Minmatar Militia pilot............they follow these cretins around like rats followed the pied piper of hamlin, being led from one slaughter to another, mindlessly beating their heads against the wall.
At the end of the day, the Minmatar systems will go the way of the Gallente systems fo exactly and precisely the same reasons, and the very same refrain will echo from the Minmatar that lamely catterwauled from the Gallente......."So what"
Neither the Gallente nor the Minmatar factions will achieve anything of laudable importance until and unless the current "leadership" is reorganized or dethroned.
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Jenna Side
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Posted - 2009.08.04 16:32:00 -
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Edited by: Jenna Side on 04/08/2009 16:33:49
Originally by: Ratchman
Firstly, this is hardly the onset of the 'fall of the Gallente militia'. People still fight and work together. This debate is about the best way to go about it. Gallente still kill more Caldari than vice versa, even outnumbered 2 to 1.
imo i think the only reason gallente kill ratio looks so good is because wolfy is actually doing exceptionally well on the pvp front. its insane the amount of kills these guys rake in and this is what i believe is giving you the wrong impression that gallente militia as a whole is doing so well.wolfy is pwning yes, the rest of militia with a few exceptions arent looking so good.
any way. in a way im glad you guys started this mdp thing (what does mdp stand for?). sounds like you gallente are getting more organized and cooperting between corps, kinda like a mini alliance, which is exactly what caldari had to do when we were givin a bloody nose. so i believe it's a step in the right direction.
as for militia chat. i never look at that either. if people want to work with other people they should join a player corp. simple as that.
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.04 17:50:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Ratchman
Originally by: Hidden Snake
Originally by: Bad Messenger This is the point where Caldari does not have to smack how fail gallente is. Gallente does it now themself.
LOL ... this
Not sure quite why the Caldari should be gloating so much.
Firstly, this is hardly the onset of the 'fall of the Gallente militia'. People still fight and work together. This debate is about the best way to go about it. Gallente still kill more Caldari than vice versa, even outnumbered 2 to 1.
Secondly, part of this discussion has been brought on by the fact that the Caldari are too scared to come out to play in anything other than a large fleet. Of course, if sitting in an empty room chanting 'I'm the king of the world' is your thing, as Bad Messenger seems to spend an awful lot of time doing, then you must consider yourselves quite successful.
Thirdly, when you do get a large fleet together, you have to travel so many more jumps into Minmatar space, where you get spanked anyway, even with Amarr allies in the same system. If you want a fight, you'd want your enemy to be able to field fleets, rather than having to traipse across so much territory.
Yes, the Gallente may have arguments, but healthy discourse helps the militia evolve. The Caldari may be united, but only in travelling backwards every time they see anything that might shoot at them.
Trolling these things only makes you look worse. You're in a militia that outnumbers it's opponents 2 to 1, and is in 'disarray', as you see it, and you still can't keep pace with the kills they are getting.
No matter what you say it seems that you do not know anything about fw. All you say is that Gallente kills caldari more than caldari kills gallente. Blobs do not have much role on actual fw or killing people in tama is just waste of ammo. Systems flipped no matter how many you killed in tama.
Caldari won because of better tactics. We had different corporations who did different things and we had general militia, those all had their role and they all managed to keep it up. We managed to co-operate on some levels. There was some important people like Brigadier General Damar Rocarion who was the Glue beetween different fleets and many others who made it possible.
Caldari lost lot of ships in important plexes, but those all were worth of it. General militia lost their ships on blob fights, but they just keep majority of gallente militia busy while plexers took systems. There was lot of pvp in plexes, mostly caldari had less numbers in those fights, but still we won.
I may seem to be afk sometimes, but i am just busy while playing with my spy alts
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Juan Rayo
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.04 18:10:00 -
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Edited by: Juan Rayo on 04/08/2009 18:11:55 LOL at some of the utter bull**** in this thread.
For you guys badmouthing the MDP:
1. Learn to read. The mutual defense pact is exactly what it says: a pact from different corps in the gallente militia to aid each other in times of war. Being in the MDP does NOT mean you have to plex.
2. That the corps in the MDP have also agreed to work in taking back systems from the caldari is a bonus of the pact, but it's a different issue.
3. Nobody "took pilots away" from the militia. My pilots are there doing what they always do, and that's true for Strix, SOTF, Nm1, Kicking and screaming, wolfy and other corps. And we do participate with militia and pick up x's from militia.
4. Some of us DO run basic pvp and fw classes in militia. If you haven't seen it happen maybe because, you know, you weren't online at the time? find out first instead of talking crap will you? People saying we don't help general militia are insulting those of us who take the time to do so.
5. I agree there is a generalized "we are uber pewpewrs the caldari just plex" mentality in the gallente militia. This is funny to me because the only guys that qualify as uber pew pew are Wolfy, to be honest, and people should stop covering under that umbrella than go plexing. Yeah, orbiting a point in space for 20 minutes is boring. Guess what, genius, it beats spining your ship around in station for 20 minutes asking in militia chat if there is a fleet going. Plus plexing CAN get you fights.
6. "the MDP has not taken back any systems". So? you guys that were in Gallente know DAMN WELL that until plexes spawn evenly in all timezones, there is little we can do. Yeah, we plex when we can btw, we scan systems all the time. But any advance we make in our TZ (US) is undone in a couple hours plexing after DT by the caldari militia.
By the way, this is not the caldari faul. They do what they have to do and do it well. We need gallente corps around dt to have the same plexing will, and for CCP to allow for plexes to spawn evenly during the whole day.
Finally, I believe the MDP has been good for the member corps, and good for the gallente militia as a whole. I really do not understand the idea that getting corps to work together is elitist or harmful to the militia. It is exactly what we should be doing.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.04 20:00:00 -
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If all the MDP corporatiosn wanted to take back space it would have succeeded, but camping the nourv gate in tama is a higher priority, so it will never happen.
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Ronin Reborn
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.08.04 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer If all the MDP corporatiosn wanted to take back space it would have succeeded, but camping the nourv gate in tama is a higher priority, so it will never happen.
Confirming this.
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Elex Akat
Gallente MicroFunks
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Posted - 2009.08.04 23:03:00 -
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So, militia bros, probably bad time to ask this but does WOLFY happen to be recruiting? I've stuck around only because I want to see if the coming patch does anything. Anyway, most of my corp has gone off to nullsec because of how bad the militia is at the moment. You guys got room for one more?
/endthreadhijack
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.08.05 02:34:00 -
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Edited by: TraininVain on 05/08/2009 02:34:45 TBH all the problems Gallente FW had they had before the MDP.
The MDP just made a couple of them worse.
The thing is, with organising stuff, it needs to be happening at the corp level.
Having a couple of dudes and the blob and expecting that couple of dudes to organise the blob is just a recipe for dudes with headaches tbh.
If you want some kind of effort to teach new militia players how to play and to get them into fleets and small gangs it needs a couple of corps doing that imo.
Maybe I'm wrong and it's the lack of FCs that is screwing you but that's my take on it.
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.05 09:25:00 -
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I approve that Ghaylante is fail faction and I support my Caldari State to the end.
I gave my corporation to them and we gained so much.
Thanks to my fearless CEO and his brilliant tactics we were able to (with help of my dear Damar) take all Gallente systems while Gallente people cried.
I still smile everyone time I see "Lowsec DD"-video on youtube
"The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of goldcrap"
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BacardiDesire
Caldari The 8th Order
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Posted - 2009.08.05 10:04:00 -
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Edited by: BacardiDesire on 05/08/2009 10:05:26
Originally by: Juan Rayo
6. "the MDP has not taken back any systems". So? you guys that were in Gallente know DAMN WELL that until plexes spawn evenly in all timezones, there is little we can do. Yeah, we plex when we can btw, we scan systems all the time. But any advance we make in our TZ (US) is undone in a couple hours plexing after DT by the caldari militia.
If you've been around a little bit scanning you might have noticed plexes now respwn each two hours, down time is just another cycle in this. and if you dont find plexes in your constellation.. well back luck on the spwn mechanic ;) sorry to burst your excuse all i want is some cake. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.05 10:27:00 -
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Edited by: chatgris on 05/08/2009 10:31:18
Originally by: BacardiDesire If you've been around a little bit scanning you might have noticed plexes now respwn each two hours, down time is just another cycle in this. and if you dont find plexes in your constellation.. well back luck on the spwn mechanic ;) sorry to burst your excuse
When did this change? I had been watching patch notes for a while now, and I'd given up on scanning for plexes a long time ago. (not that that was the only reason I didn't run plexes). Do you have any links to a patch note that confirms this? Or is this just your observation? (observation is great too, just trying to get info on this).
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Unfamed II
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.05 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: chatgris Edited by: chatgris on 05/08/2009 10:31:18
Originally by: BacardiDesire If you've been around a little bit scanning you might have noticed plexes now respwn each two hours, down time is just another cycle in this. and if you dont find plexes in your constellation.. well back luck on the spwn mechanic ;) sorry to burst your excuse
When did this change? I had been watching patch notes for a while now, and I'd given up on scanning for plexes a long time ago. (not that that was the only reason I didn't run plexes). Do you have any links to a patch note that confirms this? Or is this just your observation? (observation is great too, just trying to get info on this).
There was not any notes about it, but I've gotten the feeling too that something is changed. I do plex very little these days.
Originally by: Sandslinger of CA
So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2009.08.05 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: chatgris Do you have any links to a patch note that confirms this?
You do realise that there was nothing in patch notes about "warp in range" changes either.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.05 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Originally by: chatgris Do you have any links to a patch note that confirms this?
You do realise that there was nothing in patch notes about "warp in range" changes either.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
I do. Doesn't mean there isn't anything anything on plex spawn times though. Though with all this, it almost seems like these "changes" were just unintended side effects and no-one at CCP really gives a rats ass about fw mechanics.
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.06 11:15:00 -
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Edited by: Bad Messenger on 06/08/2009 11:15:42
Originally by: chatgris
Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Originally by: chatgris Do you have any links to a patch note that confirms this?
You do realise that there was nothing in patch notes about "warp in range" changes either.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
I do. Doesn't mean there isn't anything anything on plex spawn times though. Though with all this, it almost seems like these "changes" were just unintended side effects and no-one at CCP really gives a rats ass about fw mechanics.
Nothing has changed, plexes spawn as always. After dt plexing is only imagination and excuse how did you lose. Truth has always been different.
If it seems that those spawn times have changed is only imagination, those respawns because someone took those somewhere else and they respawned.
If no one plex there is no repawns at all. More plexing = more spawns as always has been.
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Mary Molotov
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Posted - 2009.08.06 11:44:00 -
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Join Caldari if you talk a good fight and like to exploiting.
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Dictum Factum
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.08.06 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Mary Molotov Join Caldari if you talk a good fight and like to exploiting.
Let it go.
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decoherance
Gallente The Black Ark
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Posted - 2009.08.06 13:36:00 -
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Well this thread has answered a few questions. A couple of months ago I went on holiday for 2 weeks only to find on my return that I had been kicked from Militia chat 2. I thought to myself I must be a spy and those 2 weeks I sat on the beach I must have been sending the Caldari intel. I've been in Gallente militia since day 1 and militia chat was always busy with lots of fleets and lots of action, but the last few months have been dead, whenever I log in now and look at militia chat all I see is accusations of spys if anything at all. FW was the only thing keeping me from quitting eve as I cant be arsed to make 'friends' and be part of a community. I just want to log in, find out if anything is going on and get in on the action and FW was perfect for that. Because of the way Gallete has gone I havnt played for a good month and am seriously concidering cancelling my sub. I might head over to the Minmatar side now I know why Gallente is dead. Well done for turning a great game feature into a paranoid closed off club.
(bolded the word game as I think some of you may have forgot)
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EVIL SYNNs
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.08.06 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: decoherance Well this thread has answered a few questions. A couple of months ago I went on holiday for 2 weeks only to find on my return that I had been kicked from Militia chat 2. I thought to myself I must be a spy and those 2 weeks I sat on the beach I must have been sending the Caldari intel. I've been in Gallente militia since day 1 and militia chat was always busy with lots of fleets and lots of action, but the last few months have been dead, whenever I log in now and look at militia chat all I see is accusations of spys if anything at all. FW was the only thing keeping me from quitting eve as I cant be arsed to make 'friends' and be part of a community. I just want to log in, find out if anything is going on and get in on the action and FW was perfect for that. Because of the way Gallete has gone I havnt played for a good month and am seriously concidering cancelling my sub. I might head over to the Minmatar side now I know why Gallente is dead. Well done for turning a great game feature into a paranoid closed off club.
(bolded the word game as I think some of you may have forgot)
OMG I'm sorry. I forgot about my duty to entertain ... WOLFY sing song every Tuesday night at the Nourv gate Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |
Parmenides Elea
Gallente Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.08.06 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: decoherance Well this thread has answered a few questions.
FW was the only thing keeping me from quitting eve as I cant be arsed to make 'friends' and be part of a community.
You can't be arsed to make "freinds" and be part of community and yet you expect everyone else to make "friends" and involve you in their community. Fecking hyprocrite get a life and stop blamming others for your own faliures.
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AchurAbAbY
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.08.06 14:34:00 -
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Wolfy needs to keep your 700m+ fitted Sleipnir's out of Jita
It was a blast quickly melting that down in 15s. Some lucky neut grabbed a 200m shield booster, dang vultures.
And before you say, this was not a big fleet op, it was a quick op of 5 people against the Officer fitted Sleipnir and a nicely fitted Malestrom that quickly left his friend for death.
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Parmenides Elea
Gallente Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.08.06 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: AchurAbAbY Wolfy needs to keep your 700m+ fitted Sleipnir's out of Jita
It was a blast quickly melting that down in 15s. Some lucky neut grabbed a 200m shield booster, dang vultures.
And before you say, this was not a big fleet op, it was a quick op of 5 people against the Officer fitted Sleipnir and a nicely fitted Malestrom that quickly left his friend for death.
Oh dear, tropic lost his sleip? End of the world for us!!! I personally know he got no where near the value of the ship in kills and loot before he lost it and most definatly this loss will have hurt him greatly, after all we at wolfy never expect to loose a ship and always fly what we cannot afford to loose (thats sarcasm incase you're too stupid to understand). Congrats on the kill but seriously you're trying to smack us with that???
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decoherance
Gallente The Black Ark
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Posted - 2009.08.06 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Parmenides Elea
You can't be arsed to make "freinds" and be part of community and yet you expect everyone else to make "friends" and involve you in their community.
Err...no. I expect the FDU to work as intended and not turn into a corp circle jerk excluding all the solo players like myself because we might be spies.
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Parmenides Elea
Gallente Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.08.06 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: decoherance
Originally by: Parmenides Elea
You can't be arsed to make "freinds" and be part of community and yet you expect everyone else to make "friends" and involve you in their community.
Err...no. I expect the FDU to work as intended and not turn into a corp circle jerk excluding all the solo players like myself because we might be spies.
No where did it say that corps that sign up to fight for the gallente federation MUST include the militia's in what they do. If you want to be included in what the MDP corps are doing then join them. B****ing about not being included is not going to help. The FDU is like the newb corps in eve, don't expect them to be organised because they simply are not. It seems to me you want to remain independant and have the corps who have their own goals and ideas to wait on you, thats just not going to happen. Oh and you can be a solo pvper and still be part of a corp, check Lorens stats, all time no.1 killer in faction war and most of those kills are solo.
Incase anyone else from the militia feels like any of the corps owe them anything, anything at all.....WE OWE YOU NOTHING! NADA! ZILCHE! If we want to include in what we do thats our choice, the same choice you have to ignore our requests for help or assistance such as the dismal response to the 8 mothership op that the MDP organised last week.
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Ronin Reborn
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.08.06 16:12:00 -
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officer fit sliep. There were three dread guiristas mods on that ship, which we're picked up from caldari ravens he popped. Check the killboard if you don't believe me. It's hardly the loss you think it is.
Also, at the 1 kill 7 loss FW player smacking someone with more kills on an alt than you'll ever have.
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.06 21:15:00 -
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700m mods on sleipnir but no rigs? makes no sense to me but hey everyone is free to fit how they like.
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Parmenides Elea
Gallente Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.08.07 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Messenger 700m mods on sleipnir but no rigs? makes no sense to me but hey everyone is free to fit how they like.
Take a look at ronnins post, if he had bought the mods I'm sure trop would have rigged it, as they where looted why invest isk in a ship that he is expecting to loose. Also kill board shows 7-1 odds, you say a maelstrom got away so thats 7-2 odds, fair fight as usually then. When you've done something worthy of smacking then smack away, we won't be offended but this? Come on folks try a bit harder!
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Unfamed II
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.07 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Parmenides Elea
Originally by: Bad Messenger 700m mods on sleipnir but no rigs? makes no sense to me but hey everyone is free to fit how they like.
Take a look at ronnins post, if he had bought the mods I'm sure trop would have rigged it, as they where looted why invest isk in a ship that he is expecting to loose. Also kill board shows 7-1 odds, you say a maelstrom got away so thats 7-2 odds, fair fight as usually then. When you've done something worthy of smacking then smack away, we won't be offended but this? Come on folks try a bit harder!
I once killed 4 frigs with smartbombing bs, 4-1 odds amirite? Anyways, keep going, this thread delivers.
Originally by: Sandslinger of CA
So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
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