Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5 6 7 8 9 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Greg6
|
Posted - 2009.08.11 15:03:00 -
[91]
lol. Nice try, Sherlock, but the limited understanding I had was based on what I read here. Thanks for confirming it for me.
|
Cromwell Savage
Kickin and Screamin Cadet force
|
Posted - 2009.08.11 15:06:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Unfamed II
Originally by: Greg6 *explains how the bug works and then says "i didnt use it on purpose"*
Nice cover up.
How is speed tanking a bug? Do you guys not understand that we know not of this "exploit". The purpose of speed tanking is so that 1 and only 1 has the aggro so the rest can concentrate on the WT's. Fighting you and NPC's that can hit and jam 2 to 3 times what any WT can is a non-winner. That's all. Nothing else. There is no cover up lol. Greg6 explained it as it happended. Only 1 person was there so they could get the aggro and then the rest come in to fight the WT's. How hard is that to understand?
I'll say it again and then let it rest...there was no plan or purposeful execution of an exploit. I have flown with these guys regularly for months now and I stand by that.
|
Damar Rocarion
|
Posted - 2009.08.11 15:09:00 -
[93]
Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 11/08/2009 15:10:47
Originally by: Greg6 Hell I was there and still don't understand this "NPC rat mixed aggro," bug. So if the target of the rats flies far enough from the button the rats will find another target, even a member of their own militia? News to me and I plex quite a bit. Is that the bug you are talking about?
During the fight in question no one was putting rat aggro on you on purpose. We thought it was your FOF missiles that had done the job with them going after the rats and then the rats shooting you.
Yes, that is how the bug works as you outline. Also, why would we have used FoF's when you had no ewar in the plex until only me and BM were left and had nothing left to shoot at you. (also, nice catch Unfamed...)
I never ran cloak exploit, but I know people from both militias who did.
Also, explain who having an alt run the plexes is an exploit? it still does not stop the need for them to be inside the plex and run the timer. We lose quite a lot that way, mainly to pirates but it's ok, we are prepared for it.
And as we said to Genstar, we plex because we make isk with it. It just requires some imagination. Everybody else in Caldari militia is in same position actually.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
|
Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
|
Posted - 2009.08.11 15:17:00 -
[94]
Edited by: Bad Messenger on 11/08/2009 15:18:05 Edited by: Bad Messenger on 11/08/2009 15:17:30 Plexing alts are totally legit. They do not use cloak, they do not have stabs they have tackle and weapon, they stay in plex orbiting clock.
They may be afk or not, they may run away if enemy enters plex or they also kill people sometimes http://killboard.caldarimilitia.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=129962 .
Maybe this is why Val hates them
|
Greg6
|
Posted - 2009.08.11 15:52:00 -
[95]
Couldn't tell you why you were using FOF missiles but that's what my combat log reported that you were hitting me with. Maybe so that you could hit us from outside of your locking range in those caracals? The why is beyond me but the fact remains that my combat log showed that you were hitting me with FOF missiles.
Using alts is an exploit because it gives one player two characters. This allows players to see what is going on in multiples systems simultaneously, run multiple plexes simultaneously, scout for themselves, and otherwise get the advantages of working in teams on demand and with zero coordination and communication issues between those team members. It's a huge advantage that isn't available to folk with a single account and constitutes an exploit, imho. Even if it is within the rules. Hell, especially if it is within the rules.
And wether or not you personally ever ran a plex cloaked really doesn't matter. Both sides will use whatever mechanics the game will allow to win, that's just how games are played.
|
Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
|
Posted - 2009.08.11 15:57:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Greg6 ... Using alts is an exploit because it gives one player two characters. This allows players to see what is going on in multiples systems simultaneously, run multiple plexes simultaneously, scout for themselves, and otherwise get the advantages of working in teams on demand and with zero coordination and communication issues between those team members. It's a huge advantage that isn't available to folk with a single account and constitutes an exploit, imho. Even if it is within the rules. Hell, especially if it is within the rules. ...
Welcome to EVE-online
|
Greg6
|
Posted - 2009.08.11 15:58:00 -
[97]
Indeed. Welcome to eve-online, is my very point to you. :)
|
Damar Rocarion
|
Posted - 2009.08.11 16:02:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Greg6 The why is beyond me but the fact remains that my combat log showed that you were hitting me with FOF missiles.
I switched Fof's at the closing stages of the match when you brought blackbird and Celestis inside to damp my targeting range. Until that point, fof's were not used. Is this hard to understand? Also, the fof is not the issue, bugging npcs is.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
P.S: Alts an exploit? I could name few of your alt spies....
|
Greg6
|
Posted - 2009.08.11 16:46:00 -
[99]
Actually it was my vexor that you drove out of the plex with FOF missiles. Then I brought the bb back and you stayed far out of range and warped off.
And just because both sides use alts that does not change the fact that using alts is an exploit. In fact that's kind of my point. Both sides will do what the game allows to win. You are just as guilty of it as we are, if indeed, guild is even a concept that applies.
|
Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
|
Posted - 2009.08.11 16:55:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Greg6 Actually it was my vexor that you drove out of the plex with FOF missiles. Then I brought the bb back and you stayed far out of range and warped off.
And just because both sides use alts that does not change the fact that using alts is an exploit. In fact that's kind of my point. Both sides will do what the game allows to win. You are just as guilty of it as we are, if indeed, guild is even a concept that applies.
If alts are exploit, why you have 3 character slots in your account, and why there has been power of two campains by ccp ?
|
|
Parmenides Elea
Gallente Wrath of Fenris
|
Posted - 2009.08.11 17:33:00 -
[101]
Saying that using alts is an exploit is just plain silly. I really hate to agree with Bad Messenger on anything but come on!
|
Havegooda
Quantum Cats Syndicate
|
Posted - 2009.08.11 18:45:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Originally by: Greg6 The why is beyond me but the fact remains that my combat log showed that you were hitting me with FOF missiles.
I switched Fof's at the closing stages of the match when you brought blackbird and Celestis inside to damp my targeting range. Until that point, fof's were not used. Is this hard to understand? Also, the fof is not the issue, bugging npcs is.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
P.S: Alts an exploit? I could name few of your alt spies....
Go on...
I find it funny that Damar talks smack on the forums, and runs like hell from a single Rifter when he's in a Thrasher.
|
Sahaquiel Faust
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
|
Posted - 2009.08.11 19:12:00 -
[103]
MXD stated a long time ago that the militia in general would suffer if plexing was ignored. Not only was our advice ignored, not only was we ridiculed and derided when our predictions inevitably turned out to be entirely correct, but we were actively blamed by other members of the militia for the situation which we had predicted would occur was our advice not heeded.GG Gallente militia.
-----
|
Damar Rocarion
|
Posted - 2009.08.11 19:15:00 -
[104]
Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 11/08/2009 19:19:03 Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 11/08/2009 19:17:40 Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 11/08/2009 19:15:04
Originally by: Havegooda I find it funny that Damar talks smack on the forums, and runs like hell from a single Rifter when he's in a Thrasher.
I fight for plexes. You were not inside a plex. Therefore you were irrelevant and not worth my time. On the other hand, someone else few jumps out was capturing a plex so I destroyed his ship and capsule.
Also, to quote a PERVS member, Qcats does not even visit a liquor store without multiple tracking disruptors so why go into a fight with disadvantage?
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
|
Havegooda
Quantum Cats Syndicate
|
Posted - 2009.08.11 19:28:00 -
[105]
Edited by: Havegooda on 11/08/2009 19:28:33
Originally by: Damar Rocarion Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 11/08/2009 19:19:03 Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 11/08/2009 19:17:40 Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 11/08/2009 19:15:04
I fight for plexes. You were not inside a plex. Therefore you were irrelevant and not worth my time. On the other hand, someone else few jumps out was capturing a plex so I destroyed his ship and capsule.
Also, to quote a PERVS member, Qcats does not even visit a liquor store without multiple tracking disruptors so why go into a fight with disadvantage?
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
Oh that's fine, I went and closed a few minors after you put your tail between your legs and ran.
Half the Caldari defensive plexers don't even visit a liquor store without multiple warp core stabilizers, so why bother attempting to fight?
Because we can, we do, and we're damn good at it. Take that recent fight in Fliet...outnumbered in both firepower and ECM. We forced you to engage after 20 minutes of you hiding behind a regional gate, and got at least 18 kills and only four losses. Then that fight in YOUR highsec (Onnamon). You turned tail and ran home and left a Ferox as agression bait. We jumped after you and brought it on your home turf, yet you still ran. Sure, we lost ships, but we managed to kill more than we lost even with the Navy shooting us.
|
Damar Rocarion
|
Posted - 2009.08.11 19:32:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Havegooda Waah! I am awesome, damn it, believe it, waah!
Like I would give a flying s..t about blob fights which ultimately do not matter on strategical level....
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
|
Havegooda
Quantum Cats Syndicate
|
Posted - 2009.08.11 19:36:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Originally by: Havegooda Waah! I am awesome, damn it, believe it, waah!
Like I would give a flying s..t about blob fights which ultimately do not matter on strategical level....
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
Then why do you fight for the Caldari? That's all they do. We're forced to bring more numbers (yet still less than them...) when they pull that stuff. Honestly, if you were THAT into plexing, you'd join the Gallente and get some LP/standings with Apoc 1.5.
I'd say join up with Qcats and join our plexing roams, but then it'd be harder to kill you...those sec status hits make me look bad.
|
Damar Rocarion
|
Posted - 2009.08.11 19:49:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Havegooda Honestly, if you were THAT into plexing, you'd join the Gallente and get some LP/standings with Apoc 1.5.
You really dont seem to understand why we conquered that space then do you? Well, ask Genstar. We explained it all to them.....
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
|
Havegooda
Quantum Cats Syndicate
|
Posted - 2009.08.11 19:57:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Originally by: Havegooda Honestly, if you were THAT into plexing, you'd join the Gallente and get some LP/standings with Apoc 1.5.
You really dont seem to understand why we conquered that space then do you? Well, ask Genstar. We explained it all to them.....
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
No, not really, and honestly I don't really care. I'm here for teh pew pew wif mah lazerz. If plexing gets me fights, I'll plex (hell, I plex anyway...). Don't really see what the problem is...
|
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
|
Posted - 2009.08.11 21:00:00 -
[110]
Edited by: chatgris on 11/08/2009 21:02:30
Originally by: Damar Rocarion Also, to quote a PERVS member, Qcats does not even visit a liquor store without multiple tracking disruptors so why go into a fight with disadvantage?
LOL. This statement makes me proud :)
As I wasn't in that fight at the time, I've refrained from posting in this thread (though was listening in to fleet comms for it). But come on, a valid tactic to try and get some reasonable pvp in a plex (get all aggro on one person), causing you to think it was on purpose (and before you started emoraging, we didn't even know about it), is a little bit.. childish? You should really get your spies up to snuff. The current situation isn't "oh look it's a plex, lets take it and analyze it and go to Sisi and plex some more to figure out the mechanics". It generally falls within these two cases:
a) I've found a plex in system X. General Reaction: *yawn*/ahh, I better go to sleep I have work in the morning (I've seen half the corp log off within 3 minutes after someone mentioned taking a plex instead of roaming).
b) I've found a plex with Damar/one of damars alts in it. General Reaction: OOH, a fight! OMW./ aww the alt is just wcs tell me if someone actually comes looking for a fight.
|
|
Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente Aliastra
|
Posted - 2009.08.11 21:17:00 -
[111]
Anyone actually going in discussion with the space exploiters and forum tards united?
They are the ones using the NPC exploits in highsec after all, and conduct harassment, slander, and other questionable behaviour in game.
Don't take them serious, they're just fail in real life and think they're special if they make up for it by running several EVE accounts off their unemployment allotments. ---
|
Unfamed II
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
|
Posted - 2009.08.11 21:26:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Anyone actually going in discussion with the space exploiters and forum tards united?
They are the ones using the NPC exploits in highsec after all, and conduct harassment, slander, and other questionable behaviour in game.
Don't take them serious, they're just fail in real life and think they're special if they make up for it by running several EVE accounts off their unemployment allotments.
quoted for great justice
also, giggles
Originally by: Sandslinger of CA
So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
|
Unfamed II
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
|
Posted - 2009.08.11 21:27:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Unfamed II
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Anyone actually going in discussion with the space exploiters and forum tards united?
They are the ones using the NPC exploits in highsec after all, and conduct harassment, slander, and other questionable behaviour in game.
Don't take them serious, they're just fail in real life and think they're special if they make up for it by running several EVE accounts off their unemployment allotments.
quoted for great justice
also, giggles
im so proud of us now that i had to quote myself just to get a more permanent copy of ankh poast.
Originally by: Sandslinger of CA
So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
|
Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
|
Posted - 2009.08.11 21:37:00 -
[114]
Originally by: chatgris Edited by: chatgris on 11/08/2009 21:02:30
Originally by: Damar Rocarion Also, to quote a PERVS member, Qcats does not even visit a liquor store without multiple tracking disruptors so why go into a fight with disadvantage?
LOL. This statement makes me proud :)
As I wasn't in that fight at the time, I've refrained from posting in this thread (though was listening in to fleet comms for it). But come on, a valid tactic to try and get some reasonable pvp in a plex (get all aggro on one person), causing you to think it was on purpose (and before you started emoraging, we didn't even know about it), is a little bit.. childish? You should really get your spies up to snuff. The current situation isn't "oh look it's a plex, lets take it and analyze it and go to Sisi and plex some more to figure out the mechanics". It generally falls within these two cases:
a) I've found a plex in system X. General Reaction: *yawn*/ahh, I better go to sleep I have work in the morning (I've seen half the corp log off within 3 minutes after someone mentioned taking a plex instead of roaming).
b) I've found a plex with Damar/one of damars alts in it. General Reaction: OOH, a fight! OMW./ aww the alt is just wcs tell me if someone actually comes looking for a fight.
Truth is that one of the gallente players did wellknown trick to get caldari npc to agro caldari militia in plex. It forced us to warp away from plex, and we lost atleast one caracal to npc before he managed to warp away, no one tackled him. Then we made tactical manouver and rushed through your plex gate gamp and lost more ships as expected. Some of us survived back to in plex and we managed to kill more of you, but finally there was 2 caracals + npc against 15 gallentes with ew ships so there was not much to do.
Gallente killed npc and then we decided to let you take the plex.
Without that npc exploit you would not get that plex.
"EVE Online TERMS OF SERVICE
23. You may not exploit any bug in EVE Online to gain an unfair advantage over other players. You may not communicate the existence of any exploitable bug to others directly or through a public forum. Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website."
|
Havegooda
Quantum Cats Syndicate
|
Posted - 2009.08.11 21:41:00 -
[115]
Edited by: Havegooda on 11/08/2009 21:41:48
Originally by: Bad Messenger Truth is that one of the gallente players did wellknown trick to get caldari npc to agro caldari militia in plex. It forced us to warp away from plex, and we lost atleast one caracal to npc before he managed to warp away, no one tackled him. Then we made tactical manouver and rushed through your plex gate gamp and lost more ships as expected. Some of us survived back to in plex and we managed to kill more of you, but finally there was 2 caracals + npc against 15 gallentes with ew ships so there was not much to do.
Gallente killed npc and then we decided to let you take the plex.
Without that npc exploit you would not get that plex.
"EVE Online TERMS OF SERVICE
23. You may not exploit any bug in EVE Online to gain an unfair advantage over other players. You may not communicate the existence of any exploitable bug to others directly or through a public forum. Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website."
You know, in your effort to uphold the TOS, you broke it. See bold.
|
Unfamed II
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
|
Posted - 2009.08.11 21:42:00 -
[116]
Just for you Ankh. With love.
Originally by: Sandslinger of CA
So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
|
Intigo
Amarr coracao ardente Triumvirate.
|
Posted - 2009.08.11 21:44:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Anyone actually going in discussion with the space exploiters and forum tards united?
They are the ones using the NPC exploits in highsec after all, and conduct harassment, slander, and other questionable behaviour in game.
Don't take them serious, they're just fail in real life and think they're special if they make up for it by running several EVE accounts off their unemployment allotments.
It's so saddening that some people actually were dumb enough to vote for you in CSM. Not to mention your little sock puppet Erik.
The complete idiocy you display on a daily basis is nothing less of sickening.
:| ___________________
ENEMA, much love. <3 |
Ronin Reborn
Wrath of Fenris
|
Posted - 2009.08.11 22:23:00 -
[118]
nice pic, cold, but got a chuckle IRL.
There are Gallente who still plex?! Tell them to knock it off. I'm not gonna kick off the whole plexing is or isn't pvp (most forum 'regulars' know wolfy's stance) but it seems pretty obvious to me that plexing, and sadly FW, is an imperfect creation. I don't plex and even I know of at least 3 exploits related to plexing, not to mention standings bugs, FW lag and obvious spys in obvious channels. 0/ meow meow
Running to the forums and whinning about 'zomg hax' is pathetic though. All 4 sides have people who do it. Pretending otherwise is just naive. By all means file a bug report, petition something, but finger pointing on forums is just lol. Hopefully more petitions in the system will make gms and devs pay more attention to FW.
Also, flamming QCATS for flying with TDs when you're sat in a plex full of NPCs with broken ECM...really?
|
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
|
Posted - 2009.08.11 22:35:00 -
[119]
Edited by: chatgris on 11/08/2009 22:41:52
Originally by: Ronin Reborn Also, flamming QCATS for flying with TDs when you're sat in a plex full of NPCs with broken ECM...really?
Army of WCS alts? Kosher Broken ECM in plexes? Kosher, l2p gallente Tracking disruptors and wait, a few rats shot me? Wah wah flee!
/thread
|
Asarles
Quantum Cats Syndicate
|
Posted - 2009.08.11 22:49:00 -
[120]
sh!t happens, get over it or GTFO. nuf said
|
|
|
|
|
Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5 6 7 8 9 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |