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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2009.08.11 23:53:00 -
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Something that could change these mechanics is to have it so when you are on the defensive securing a plex, hostile rats spawn (i.e, I am Gallente militia and defending inside a Gallente system so Caldari rats spawn) as WELL as the normal rats.
The rats duke it out and also throw you up into the mix. That way you can't just afk/wcs defend plexes. Would be an interesting idea.
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Garr Earthbender
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.12 01:33:00 -
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You know, after reading this I believe I've gathered enough to say that you feel jipped out of a medium plex in nenna. It's understandable if you hardly ever cap plexes or get kicked out of every one you try to cap. But come on man. All this over a single plex? I'd say that you should be overly happy with all the others that you get during the day/night that you play. How many plexs a day is it between all the alt's combined BTW?
I feel jipped when a couple of dudes with nothing but time and ISK on their hands totally nullify the plexing efforts of Gallente who try and plex with regularity. This is to say nothing of the downtime plex spawnfest that happens. I've never been awake during or after downtime, but I hear it's a plex free for all.
I mean, seriously, to be able to sit in a plex without rats shooting you and complaining when you get a decent fight? Wish I could spend my hard spent cash doing that. Quantum Cats
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2009.08.12 04:03:00 -
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Originally by: Garr Earthbender I mean, seriously, to be able to sit in a plex without rats shooting you and complaining when you get a decent fight? Wish I could spend my hard spent cash doing that.
The fight was decent, still is on my perspective (didnt lose my ship, got into 7 killmails with 3 final blows) but the fact remains we likely would have held the field until Amon Dei used the bug to turn npcs on us and we had to warp out and land into your optimal range when we rushed back, as Bad Messenger says.
And do you still wonder why I have no respect for any Gallente?
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2009.08.12 06:00:00 -
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ITT: BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW __________________________________
Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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Pytria Le'Danness
Placid Reborn
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Posted - 2009.08.12 06:30:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Something that could change these mechanics is to have it so when you are on the defensive securing a plex, hostile rats spawn (i.e, I am Gallente militia and defending inside a Gallente system so Caldari rats spawn) as WELL as the normal rats.
The rats duke it out and also throw you up into the mix. That way you can't just afk/wcs defend plexes. Would be an interesting idea.
That would at least make defensive plexing somewhat interesting. The main reason I quit FW was that defensive Gallente plexing was urgently needed yet it was so boring since all I could do was to refresh the scanner every other second. I wasn't having fun any more, and paying $15 a month to bore myself wasn't an appealing idea. I am not sure if opposing NPCs would make things that much better, but at least you'll have something to do and also have the chance of getting a small income from the NPC tags - another issue with defensive plexing.
But overall that will not change anything. Unless CCP does something that evens out the difference in pilot numbers the bigger side will always win - EVE mechanics are simple in that regard. Pilot skill, exploiting or not might affect small scale results, but in the end their effects are evened out statistically.
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.12 07:07:00 -
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Originally by: Garr Earthbender You know, after reading this I believe I've gathered enough to say that you feel jipped out of a medium plex in nenna. It's understandable if you hardly ever cap plexes or get kicked out of every one you try to cap. But come on man. All this over a single plex? I'd say that you should be overly happy with all the others that you get during the day/night that you play. How many plexs a day is it between all the alt's combined BTW?
I feel jipped when a couple of dudes with nothing but time and ISK on their hands totally nullify the plexing efforts of Gallente who try and plex with regularity. This is to say nothing of the downtime plex spawnfest that happens. I've never been awake during or after downtime, but I hear it's a plex free for all.
I mean, seriously, to be able to sit in a plex without rats shooting you and complaining when you get a decent fight? Wish I could spend my hard spent cash doing that.
It would have been decent fight, but no, you had to use bug to win. GG gallente.
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.12 07:32:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Pytria Le'Danness
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Something that could change these mechanics is to have it so when you are on the defensive securing a plex, hostile rats spawn (i.e, I am Gallente militia and defending inside a Gallente system so Caldari rats spawn) as WELL as the normal rats.
The rats duke it out and also throw you up into the mix. That way you can't just afk/wcs defend plexes. Would be an interesting idea.
That would at least make defensive plexing somewhat interesting. The main reason I quit FW was that defensive Gallente plexing was urgently needed yet it was so boring since all I could do was to refresh the scanner every other second. I wasn't having fun any more, and paying $15 a month to bore myself wasn't an appealing idea. I am not sure if opposing NPCs would make things that much better, but at least you'll have something to do and also have the chance of getting a small income from the NPC tags - another issue with defensive plexing.
But overall that will not change anything. Unless CCP does something that evens out the difference in pilot numbers the bigger side will always win - EVE mechanics are simple in that regard. Pilot skill, exploiting or not might affect small scale results, but in the end their effects are evened out statistically.
It is not about numbers. You just need people who want to do some boring job. Amarr has been on top of the things with less numbers than minmatar.
Defence plexing does not need any rats, there is lot people in other militias than gallente who are willing to do defence plexes.
I am happy to income i get from defence plexing, couple billions / month is enough i think. Also i get some pvp.
If you want to achieve something you have to DO something. Capturing all systems was so big job that i think CCP did not think that someone ever will do it.
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2009.08.12 07:42:00 -
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Originally by: Pytria Le'Danness Something that could change these mechanics is to have it so when you are on the defensive securing a plex, hostile rats spawn (i.e, I am Gallente militia and defending inside a Gallente system so Caldari rats spawn) as WELL as the normal rats.
Friendly NPCS are awesome back-up for new people who get their first taste of PVP and that's why I urge the new militia people to boldly go out there and look for plexes because it's a good way to get fights vs. pirates and learn a thing or two.
It's not our problem Gallentes dont have any more defensive plexes.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
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Unfamed II
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.12 07:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Anyone actually going in discussion with the space exploiters and forum tards united?
They are the ones using the NPC exploits in highsec after all, and conduct harassment, slander, and other questionable behaviour in game.
Don't take them serious.
Trolling removed. Zymurgist
Yeah, everyone should take *you* seriously. You were among the first ppl who exploited the fact that high enough standings mean you can ignore the npc's in the plexes. All the while being in the CSM, and acting like a game designer. Good luck with that, if you can't even spot obvious flaws in system. But hey I guess it's ok when it works in your favour.
(intigo: eric can't be that bad, no matter how hard he tried, he could not possibly be more clueless than ankh. puppet or not)
Originally by: Sandslinger of CA
So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
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Raimo
Gallente Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.08.12 08:32:00 -
[130]
/me enjoying the popcorn and laughing at Damar and BM who consitently get their ass handed to them in this thread... And they keep digging from under each other just to add insult to the injury! --- WOLFY is recruiting!
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.12 12:34:00 -
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Edited by: Rashmika Clavain on 12/08/2009 12:34:48 I never take them seriously.
My favourite moment was being station camped on my own by half a dozen of them. I went AFK for a dump, came back to local along the lines of:
"oh noes let's run away from the scary Gallente" (as if that would make me undock when I am taking a ****? )
to...
"I R GOING AFK NOW" (yeah cos that works too when I am sat on the throne.)
to...
"You're an exploiter" (presumably for only flushing once?)
I was also amused when they jumped into Nenna recently with a 7 man gang and then smacked the three MDP members in local for not fighting.
I was afk making a brew (the server had just come up), the other guy was in a hauler moving goods and the third MDP chappie was also afk.
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Igloo
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.12 12:54:00 -
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23. You may not exploit any bug in EVE Online to gain an unfair advantage over other players. You may not communicate the existence of any exploitable bug to others directly or through a public forum. Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website.
I too can make random quotes from the TOS--pretty sure this makes me awesome. I would also like to thank our Caldari overlords for taking the time to both identify and spread the knowledge of useful plexing exploits to the Gallente.
Caldari NPC overpowered--C/D?
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2009.08.12 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Igloo 23.Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website.
Been done numerous time. No effect on matter as CCP likely supports Gallente and lets these bugs continue to exist. Would not really surprise me, as demonstrated by substandard behavior of last Alliance Tournament commentators.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
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Parmenides Elea
Gallente Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.08.12 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Originally by: Igloo 23.Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website.
Been done numerous time. No effect on matter as CCP likely supports Gallente and lets these bugs continue to exist. Would not really surprise me, as demonstrated by substandard behavior of last Alliance Tournament commentators.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
ROFL!!
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.08.12 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Parmenides Elea
Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Originally by: Igloo 23.Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website.
Been done numerous time. No effect on matter as CCP likely supports Gallente and lets these bugs continue to exist. Would not really surprise me, as demonstrated by substandard behavior of last Alliance Tournament commentators.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
ROFL!!
Oh god seconding this hahaha.
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.12 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Parmenides Elea
Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Originally by: Igloo 23.Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website.
Been done numerous time. No effect on matter as CCP likely supports Gallente and lets these bugs continue to exist. Would not really surprise me, as demonstrated by substandard behavior of last Alliance Tournament commentators.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
ROFL!!
BWAHAHA third! I mean, it's not like CCP gave caldari the very best rat support in the game.
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Havegooda
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.12 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: chatgris Edited by: chatgris on 12/08/2009 15:22:43
Originally by: Parmenides Elea
Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Originally by: Igloo 23.Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website.
Been done numerous time. No effect on matter as CCP likely supports Gallente and lets these bugs continue to exist. Would not really surprise me, as demonstrated by substandard behavior of last Alliance Tournament commentators.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
ROFL!!
BWAHAHA third! I mean, it's not like CCP gave caldari the very best rat support in the game. Nor did they cut their enemy off from the biggest market hub in the game.
Fourth! Quit digging such a big hole for yourself Damar.
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Ronin Reborn
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.08.12 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Damar Rocarion Been done numerous time. No effect on matter as CCP likely supports Gallente and lets these bugs continue to exist. Would not really surprise me, as demonstrated by substandard behavior of last Alliance Tournament commentators.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
Right dude. Because letting a bug exist limits one faction to using it. As far as the tourney, most though not all, of the people commentating were not CCP employees. And we were hardly the only 'darling' in the tourney, groups that put up good fights all got talked about.
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.12 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Parmenides Elea
Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Originally by: Igloo 23.Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website.
Been done numerous time. No effect on matter as CCP likely supports Gallente and lets these bugs continue to exist. Would not really surprise me, as demonstrated by substandard behavior of last Alliance Tournament commentators.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
ROFL!!
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Droog 1
Black Rise Inbreds
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Posted - 2009.08.12 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Originally by: Igloo 23.Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website.
Been done numerous time. No effect on matter as CCP likely supports Gallente and lets these bugs continue to exist. Would not really surprise me, as demonstrated by substandard behavior of last Alliance Tournament commentators.
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Raimo
Gallente Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.08.12 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Raimo /me enjoying the popcorn and laughing at Damar and BM who consitently get their ass handed to them in this thread... And they keep digging from under each other just to add insult to the injury!
It just gets better and better! --- WOLFY is recruiting!
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Pytria Le'Danness
Placid Reborn
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Posted - 2009.08.12 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Messenger It is not about numbers. You just need people who want to do some boring job.
Then do your statistics classes again. 8000 people might not be a big sample size but it's at least big enough to assume that most influences even themselves out statistically. And if 5000 people are on one side and 3000 on the other the chance that someone is willing to do the boring job is higher by the same degree. Without taking baseless accusations about exploiting and whatever into account (I believe both sides have an equal percentage of black sheep, would be surprised if it were otherwise) Caldari will rake in 5/3rds more VPs in the long run than Gallente. The attitude "plexing is beneath us" attitude just sped the process along. On a small scale skill points and ship classes might decide a fight, but this is a strategic scale of 8000 people who fight it out over years. Just think of it that way: if all things were equal, everyone could plex without interruption Caldari had 5000 people earning VPs against Gallente 3000. Or put differently, if everyone would start plexing their ass off Caldari could set 3000 people on the buttons and STILL have 2000 pilots left to chase the 3000 Gallente off their button.
Numbers are EVERYTHING here.
Your dedication and organisation sped the process along and the Gallente attitude made any chance on recovery void, but IMO anyone with a basic grasp of statistics should see that it was pre-destined that Caldari would win that war.
Originally by: Bad Messenger I am happy to income i get from defence plexing, couple billions / month is enough i think. Also i get some pvp.
Yeah, sure. Sitting on a button certainly does that. Nice of CCP to change that after you took the systems, because when I wasted hours on defensive plexing the only thing I got was the occasional loot from a war target - and that was mainly T1 junk.
Originally by: Bad Messenger If you want to achieve something you have to DO something. Capturing all systems was so big job that i think CCP did not think that someone ever will do it.
Yes, I believe that. During SiSi testing before Emp Age was released the devs were asked a few times what would be done concerning the numerical imbalance and the answer was only a virtual shrug and that it would sort itself out somehow.
The time they took to do anything about the total occupation suggests they didn't expect it as well.
But if they didn't plan on that I call CCP stupidly naive. As I said, if all Gallente would suddenly start plexing - with current numbers Caldari can counter that with 3000 of their people and still have 2000 over to disrupt the plexing operation of the 3000 Gallente. So even if there isn't a single PvP kill during that time he number of VPs Caldari gets in the long run must be MASSIVELY bigger.
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Greg6
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Posted - 2009.08.12 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Ronin Reborn ... There are Gallente who still plex?! Tell them to knock it off. I'm not gonna kick off the whole plexing is or isn't pvp (most forum 'regulars' know wolfy's stance) but it seems pretty obvious to me that plexing, and sadly FW, is an imperfect creation. ..?
Show me the perfect creation you're comparing it to?
In short, hell no I won't stop plexing. Plexing is the *only* way in game to get ship balanced fights. It's the *only* way to short circuit the stupid fleet ping pong we play as each side tries to reship up in the face of the other and we spend all night chasing each other up and down the pipe. And taking plexes chaps the hide of some of our opponents, as this thread clearly demonstrates.
If you want to spend your entire PVP time camping the Noruv gate in Tama go to. It's your sub fee after all. But there is no objective reason at all to avoid plexing and the anti-plexing attitude that has permeated the Gall milita has cost us fights, systems, and militia good will, seems to me. For myself, if my opponent wants something, I want to deny them that thing. It seems very clear that the Caldari have demonstrated they want plexes. That's enough for me to want to deny them their desire, but I like to fight so there it is. :)
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Ronin Reborn
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.08.12 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Greg6 ...it seems pretty obvious to me that plexing, and sadly FW, is an imperfect creation. ..?
Show me the perfect creation you're comparing it to?
Jessica Alba
I don't enjoy plexing, nor do I think it has a point. So I don't do it. Same goes for that 'blob without a purpose' that roams the tama <-> OMS route daily. The reason that I said it's an imperfect system is that I CAN ignore it, and have done so for 1 1/2 years or so. The sov system, while boring and probably fubar'd as well, at least punishes alliances who ignore others staking claims in their space. Faction Warfare seems detached from Eve in general, and plexes seem detached from Faction Warfare. In alliance combat and 0.0 life, things are at least rolled together in a more...cohesive manner.
As for the 'matched' fights in plexes, ie only destroyers or w/e, you're right that is something you'll only get in plexes. Personally I think it's a dumb idea to limit shiptypes, different ships have different roles and bigger =/= better. Not to mention since it's only found in plexes it's not preparing you for any other type of combat in Eve. But if you want arena style combat with NPCs thrown in hop to I guess.
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Greg6
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Posted - 2009.08.12 18:30:00 -
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Can't argue with Jessica Alba being damn near perfect to look at. :)
And I agree, plexing, like everything else in eve, is a matter of taste. As a beginner in eve I very much appreciate a space where I can learn PVP in ship balanced fights as opposed to being insta popped in my T1 dessie by the HAC wt we bump into in a mixed gang. But again, that's just a matter of taste. (For that matter, where else but plexes do sniper fit dessies really come in useful?)
Everyone has a right to their own preferences and to spend their time as they see fit. I just get reactive when I see someone confusing those preferences with any kind of objective truth about plexing. It isn't pointless at all. It just isn't to everyone's taste. But nor is station/docking games, gate camping, POS shooting, mining, or any other part of the game.
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Ronin Reborn
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.08.12 18:43:00 -
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Destroyers aren't totally useless. Good for anti-frig but yeah, kind of a limited role.
However, for FW, go roam lower security caldari highsec in a thrasher or catalyst and you can get a suprising amount of kills. Quick enough to align before navy gets you, good alpha for it's size.
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Val Erian
Gallente Azure Horizon Federate Militia
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Posted - 2009.08.12 20:01:00 -
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Edited by: Val Erian on 12/08/2009 20:02:54 oops...
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waruiushiro
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.08.12 23:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ronin Reborn Destroyers aren't totally useless. Good for anti-frig but yeah, kind of a limited role.
However, for FW, go roam lower security caldari highsec in a thrasher or catalyst and you can get a suprising amount of kills. Quick enough to align before navy gets you, good alpha for it's size.
Yes indeed... though a certain unnamed someone does a pretty damn good job of killing in highsec with a Taranis
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Mortant Neros
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Posted - 2009.08.16 09:36:00 -
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Obviously the MDP fails...
http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=4005145 http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=4005398 http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=4005652 http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=4005956
As you can see, all in the same day... looks like the MDP isnt working out huh?
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.16 11:05:00 -
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Nice reports you have there.
But Gallente has not manage to take a single system back.
And you are still losing active members.
And it does not seem to go always so well http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=4006124
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