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Iva Soreass
Blind Violence
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Posted - 2009.08.02 14:54:00 -
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Hi guys n gals
So me and a friend have just come back to eve after a break and decided we are gonna give FW a try.
Now what with both of us being hardcore gallente pilots (both full gall spec) it seemed only right that we join our gallente brothers in arms. But we are just curious, is it just wolfy that represent the gall FW ? or is there other corps flying the flag? what about the gall NPC FW corp how are they doing ?
Just wanted a little insight into it.
Thanks.
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Wizardus
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.08.02 17:23:00 -
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Hey Iva;
WOLFY is not the only corp representing the Gallente FW. We have a union between corps that aid eachother at any time. I recommend using T1 ships for now until you guys get the hang of things and start knowing which corps are mainly active and what systems they are usually in. I wish you guys the best in the game and hope that you have fun in FW.
I've been in 0.0, low sec, high sec, Alliances etc. And the one things I like about FW is it requires little to no time to invest.
Best Regards
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Acalin
Gallente Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.08.02 21:06:00 -
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Edited by: Acalin on 02/08/2009 21:07:12 Heya Iva,
There is no Gallente FW. Distrust, ambition off some solo Corp's, persons... spying and all that **** destroyed it. 6 months ago it still was a nice faction, it ended in ppl being in distrust.
No more pvp fleets (except for small time corp fleets), no more goals, no more plexing (as in leaving the whole low sec to caldari)
In short, if u aint in the right corp, u wasting your time, even if u in one, its just small time pvp.
Solution: Join Moinmattar FW.
I did it, lots off previous gallente corps did it. In return u get dayly fleets, plexing chanels, ppl that want to team up and most importantly no whining bout spy's.
In the end u get standing for gallente anyway, but this time u enjoy it.
Acalin
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Aurora Nyx
Caldari ButterWouldntMelt
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Posted - 2009.08.02 23:39:00 -
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Edited by: Aurora Nyx on 02/08/2009 23:42:14 The Gallente that set up "Militia 2" were warned that creating an elite group would leave the general militia with no fleets, no tuition, and no direction. Alas the powers-that-be decided that it was more important to look after their own corps. Sometimes i can understand that, but why be in the militia at all if all you want to do is screw over your own pilots. As a direct result of Militia 2 corps looking after themselves, the new guys to Gallente FW for the last 2-3 months havent stayed. They get ridiculed for asking questions and not trusted to join fleets, but worse than that there is no chat anymore; the elite corps use their own channel. It's all very sad really.
Minnie is the way to go for that side tbh, it's going to be a few months before the Galls take their heads out of their asses long enough to realise what they have done.
Edit: And yes, i have defected to the Caldari. It's a game, i want to enjoy it not listen to propaganda, whines about spies, and how great various people are.
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Iva Soreass
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.08.03 00:50:00 -
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Whoa
Ok thanks for the replys guys.
Well 1st off, screw spies etc im here to have fun and shoot lots of targets and i know gallente have lots of targets and me n my pal are more the capable of killing, with or without help//intel etc etc. We've done it in 0.0, we've done it in empire wars and we're used to all the paranoia.
Wiz thanks for the info's and yeah we probably will be flying t1 as we are both broke ass pilots :P
Acalin and Nyx, appreciate it but more targets =
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Ronin Reborn
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.08.03 01:37:00 -
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Originally by: Aurora Nyx Edited by: Aurora Nyx on 02/08/2009 23:42:14 Crap
First off, the 'powers that be' are under no obligation to herd cats or give lessons on pvp basics. Wolfy has done it in the past but those ops suffered from poor attendance and worse discipline in key areas like comms and following basic intructions. Nor are we in an Alliance, this isn't standings by choice, these standings are forced upon a corp when it joins FW. So again, we're under no obligation to accept someones request to fly together.
Generally the NPC pilots arent trusted because they are so many spies and they are mostly in NPC. Additionally, how many NPC pilots do you see really accomplishing anything? Most gallente pilots who are active DO join a corp for that chat window you long for. Hell, a call was put out into militia chat telling them we had 8 motherships on the gate to try and get them involved (and tell the Caldari spies) and the freaking Minmitar showed up before the general Gallente militia.
Also, you contradict yourself with your agruement against the MDP agreement. Corps working together, oh no! A (more) secure intel channel, oh no! It's working for us and corps are getting to know other outfits within the militia. As for not having the 'blob' that runs the OMS <-> Tama route once a day, good. Gangs like that don't get many good fights anyways. Better that the 'new guys' get out there on thier own, or with 3-5 other 'new guys' from chat (it DOES still blink dude) and fight. You learn more that way. Then in a few weeks/months they'll know enough about pvp, FW and the people in it to get a corp of thier own together. And groups like that are always more effective, entertaining and trust-worthy. To be honest Aurora, it seems to me that you're just butthurt cause people stopped listening to you in militia chat. Go join the Caldari, no one will miss you. I'll finally get to shoot you, something only standings was stopping me from doing before.
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Aurora Nyx
Caldari ButterWouldntMelt
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Posted - 2009.08.03 06:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ronin Reborn Usual stuff not worth reading.
Just lol. It's a game.
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Ronin Reborn
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.08.03 06:45:00 -
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Originally by: Aurora Nyx Just lol. It's a game.
Really?
So instead of playing with whom I choose I supposed to fly with clueless idiots like you and give out pvp lessons? And be told which chat I'm supposed to use?
Get over yourself. Gallente militia knows how to play without Aurora Nyx and ButterWouldntMelt corp leading the charge.
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BacardiDesire
Caldari The 8th Order
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Posted - 2009.08.03 07:19:00 -
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Can I flame here as well? Splendid! ok here we go:
The MDP, for general militia is and was a utter fail in my corporation's eyes, the few fleets we had where good, but there was a lack of cooperation and certain people would go kinda insane when a outsider with potential skills for pvp visited the MDP channel = big emo range, someone compromised the channel! oehnoes!
MDP in general destroyed the gallente militia as a whole, just fugging look at what your doing, while your heads are up in the ass so deep with your 1337 pact of uber corporation that where supposed to ''pvp the **** out of the enemy'' the caldari are coming to minmatar space almost daily, corewin if your here please confirm this ok just because your people lack the will to form up against them. Throw me the useall we dont fight blobs we only ***** kills in inties stuff but that's just me
as for the OP, join minmatar militia, so much better here. If you have your own corp do small gangs you will find allot of oppertunity targets. The gallente militia ship has sunk to the bottom of this sea all i want is some cake. |
Hugh Man
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Posted - 2009.08.03 07:27:00 -
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Originally by: BacardiDesire Can I flame here as well? Splendid! ok here we go:
The MDP, for general militia is and was a utter fail in my corporation's eyes, the few fleets we had where good, but there was a lack of cooperation and certain people would go kinda insane when a outsider with potential skills for pvp visited the MDP channel = big emo range, someone compromised the channel! oehnoes!
MDP in general destroyed the gallente militia as a whole, just fugging look at what your doing, while your heads are up in the ass so deep with your 1337 pact of uber corporation that where supposed to ''pvp the **** out of the enemy'' the caldari are coming to minmatar space almost daily, corewin if your here please confirm this ok just because your people lack the will to form up against them. Throw me the useall we dont fight blobs we only ***** kills in inties stuff but that's just me
as for the OP, join minmatar militia, so much better here. If you have your own corp do small gangs you will find allot of oppertunity targets. The gallente militia ship has sunk to the bottom of this sea
Thankyou Bacardi.... it's not how i would have put it but i need to clear something up with Ronin.... stop with the personal insults. I don't want people to do it my way, i don't want to tell you how to play. My main argument was that you effictively removed 45 of 60 active pilots in milita, and they stopped chatting. They stopped giving advice, they stopped helping noobs, they stopped everything but stuff to do with their own corps. What else was going to happen ? If you think this is a personal attack on WOLFY or you, then i apologise, but i think you really need to look at whats happened.
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Ratchman
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Posted - 2009.08.03 09:19:00 -
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I wouldn't say the MDP ruined the Gallente militia. I wouldn't even say it has been ruined. The problem is, it's very, very quiet and very little happens at the moment.
The MDP is a fine idea, but it requires communication between the established corps and the general militia, and that is what is not happening. I don't know whether this is just paranoia because of spies, or because fleets with a lot of noobs tend to be harder to co-ordinate, but the communication has fallen to an all-time low.
I joined the Minmatar militia because I wanted to see what the other side of the conflict was like. I was quite surprised to see just how active it is in comparison. Part of this is because fleets are being formed frequently, and part of this is because the Amarr actually go out and fight in small groups, so you can find action solo, which I just couldn't do before because of the lack of solo Caldari targets. The interpersonal dynamics are exactly the same, and there are people who still bicker amongst themselves, but the key difference is: there are plenty of fleets being formed up out of general militia. Spies are still a problem, but there isn't the paranoia that has permeated the Gallente militia.
Now I don't want to provoke any personal comments, as that is unhelpful, and certainly doesn't promote working together, but I will say this: the Gallente militia must start forming fleets out of general militia again. Yes, you will get the odd spy now and again, but these get identified and eventually everyone knows about them and doesn't recruit them anymore. The fear of spies does far more damage than the spies themselves do.
We also know that FC'ing isn't easy. I've tried it, and it isn't something I particularly enjoy, although I don't mind acting as a backup in an emergency. And we also know bigger fleets take longer to organise and have the inevitable person who makes mistakes. This is the cost of social gaming. However, without forming the big fleets, how are you going to train those who are new to the scene? How are you going to motivate those into joining the established corporations? You can't run the militia like an elite club. You can run secure comms channels, but you cannot forget about the general members. After all, where is your recruitment going to come from?
There has been a big drop in Gallente militia numbers over the past few months, and this isn't down to losing the 'war', as the Caldari trolls like to make out, but simply the fact that people get bored of the lack of action. Now because the Caldari do not roam about one by one, or even in small fleets, the only way people are going to see action, is in big fleets.
Before I left, I saw a corp of 50-odd join, try to get some fleet action for about two weeks, with nothing happening. They then left because nothing did happen. I forget the corp name, but they had one member who was constantly moaning in the general militia chat. Nobody like constant whinging, but he did have a point.
The Caldari have their problems, chiefly the fact that they do not seem to do very much beyond sitting in Old Man Star (although it seems Black Nova Corp have grown bored of doing this and have left militia), and the occasional massive fleet. They do need to get out there in ones and twos if they want to meet the Gallente, and considering their massive numerical superiority, it's a little weird that you don't see more of them around in lowsec. Their militia needs to encourage them to get out and fight without forming such big fleets. This would help supply a little action to both sides, but it will not resolve the issues with the Gallente militia.
Put it this way: if you want future recruits in your corporations, you need to get amongst the general militia. If you keep them at arms length, it's just going to look like an elite boys club.
As I said before, I don't want to cause anyone any offence, but this is a harsh truth and you need to confront it.
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EVIL SYNNs
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.08.03 09:49:00 -
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Don't think anyone is getting too personal so lets not go down that road even further.
To answer some questions, and point out some flaws.
1)A corp of 50 joined the Gallente and left cause they didn't get any fleets? This I think is the biggest problem with the Gallente Militia... Everyone wants to be a back seat driver. Telling the FC's what do to but never stand up and do it themselves. If you lose its always the FC's fault! So the best thing to do is join a larger corp and get into their fleets, and if a corp with 50 members *****ing cause they can't find a blob to fly with.. good riddance.
2)The MDP is exactly that a defense pack. Not an agreement to merge, fly together or take orders from any other corp. Its just a place where the CEO's take responsibility for their members. If the member in question is doing damage to the gallente then the CEO's deal with it. Now I know I'm the CEO of the largest smacking corp in Gallente and I've had to have quite words with a few of my members. I've even ****ed them off comparing us to some "famous" 0.0 corp/alliances that ****ed off blues. However what it does give is combined comms. If we see a blob we put the shout out and we can fly together to fight the blob. And you only need to look at last months/week killboard. It was WOLFY's best ever month EVER (nearly 2k kills in one month), The top 10 killers last week were 7 WOLFY and 3 SOTF, where nearly every month since day 1 its been 10 WOLFY. So the combined comms helps everyone.
3)Far too many 10 men corps! Look I'm here as CEO of WOLFY and I have 1 thing on my mind. WOLFY. I must do what I think is best for my corp. Secondary I'm now a signatory of the MDP and that then comes into my mind. "Is it good for WOLFY? Is it good for the MDP?" If both questions are yes then, we do it. If 1 is no, then I have to think about it. What I don't want is some 10 man corp following us around, never FCing, never doing anything but travel on our coat tails. WOLFY members thought that would be the case, however it is not. SOTF and WOLFY are strong in Euro Time zone while QCats and the others are larger in US time zones (still wish we had someone strong after DT). And I can only comment on my feedback from WOLFY members but after the initial "Why are we doing this?" I'm now getting "the corps are actually quite good".
4)Amarr v Mini front. Yeah it must be good to be in the side with the larger number, so you can form fleets. But I foresee this changing to the same as our front, just the other way around (Unless CVA and friends intervene) Thats G.Dip leaving, how many others? They accuse the mini's of Blobbing.. FUNNY THAT! Mini's have 2 of the largest corps in all FW flying under their colors. And (I've been told) that they do take X's from militia chats, and they do form blobs (blobs in FW > 20) and fly around wait for the amarr to form and then get the fight. Now its not quite Caldari Blobbing numbers yet! but its going that way.
5)WOLFY are not the only Gall FW corp. We control our little system, there are others that have other systems. What has happened is that Gall FW corps have moved out of Villore. And that is awesome! There are many other corps there that kill, and thanks to the MDP killing more than ever
Thats about it. As CEO every morning I wake up, check the Killboard and ask the question "Am I doing the right thing for WOLFY".. We don't charge tax, we give our members what we can however if they were not getting kills their loyalty to my corp would wane and they would leave. So as long as there are targets and my guys are getting fights, we are happy where we are.
Could that change? I bet it could.
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Ratchman
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Posted - 2009.08.03 09:51:00 -
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I will also say this: the Caldari really need to take a leaf out of the Amarr's book.
Some of the less savoury aspects of the game are still there, such as smack-talking in local, and their tactics aren't radically different to the Caldari's, but they get out there and fight without having to resort to big fleets all the time.
If you go into Amamake, which would be the Minmatar equivalent of Old Man Star, you will find war targets. Unlike Old Man Star, it isn't a single corp with every single person camping the system. It's a dynamic and shifting group of people coming back and forth, often on their own. And this is true of many systems.
You also see frequent groups of less than 10 moving around freely. They do still roll in massive fleets, but you also get the small ones too. I can't remember the time I last saw a Caldari fleet of this size (that wasn't just plexing).
PvP is all about destroying ships. This means that you will lose them too. People shouldn't be afraid of this, just don't risk what you can't afford to lose, and losses are minimal. Even noobs can afford to do this (although it will limit their ship choice). But if you are frightened of losing your ship, why are you in factional warfare in the first place?
I would also encourage those new to both the Gallente and Minmatar militia to do the same (although it is much less of a problem, there are still those who are reluctant). Get out there and learn by doing. Don't wait for the fleets to happen and don't let the fear of losing cripple you. I just hope the Gallente militia find solo targets out there.
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Aurora Nyx
Caldari ButterWouldntMelt
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Posted - 2009.08.03 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ratchman Put it this way: if you want future recruits in your corporations, you need to get amongst the general militia. If you keep them at arms length, it's just going to look like an elite boys club.
As I said before, I don't want to cause anyone any offence, but this is a harsh truth and you need to confront it.
Damn Ratch you sit on every fence, lol. This quote was the closest you've come to taking a side. And FYI it's people like you (in NPC corps might I add) that kept the general militia going.
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Corewin
NoD Imperium
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Posted - 2009.08.03 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: BacardiDesire Can I flame here as well? Splendid! ok here we go:
The MDP, for general militia is and was a utter fail in my corporation's eyes, the few fleets we had where good, but there was a lack of cooperation and certain people would go kinda insane when a outsider with potential skills for pvp visited the MDP channel = big emo range, someone compromised the channel! oehnoes!
MDP in general destroyed the gallente militia as a whole, just fugging look at what your doing, while your heads are up in the ass so deep with your 1337 pact of uber corporation that where supposed to ''pvp the **** out of the enemy'' the caldari are coming to minmatar space almost daily, corewin if your here please confirm this ok just because your people lack the will to form up against them. Throw me the useall we dont fight blobs we only ***** kills in inties stuff but that's just me
as for the OP, join minmatar militia, so much better here. If you have your own corp do small gangs you will find allot of oppertunity targets. The gallente militia ship has sunk to the bottom of this sea
Confirming Caldari fleets hanging out/pewing it up in minmatar space.
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Ratchman
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Posted - 2009.08.03 10:20:00 -
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Evil, you are right about the points you bring up, and that is what the MDP is supposed to be about, and yes, more people do need to step up to form fleets. None of this really goes against anything that I've said. Indeed, it is complementary, rather than adversarial (I couldn't cover all aspects as I finished that post with 1 spare character).
I don't think you can expect everyone to join the main corporations, though. Some people prefer to keep things small, where they feel there is a stronger bond of trust. This isn't to say that larger corps can't be built on trust, but many people will feel that way. And some people will just prefer to be 'freelance' and remain in the general militia. That 50 man corp that came and went could have formed fleets themselves, but you can't expect people new to the militia to take it over, especially if none of them have any militia experience. All it may have taken is for one or two fleets for them to familiarise themselves with the nature of FW, and they would have been forming their own.
And you are right that the Minmatar militia is bigger than the Amarr, and that we can form big blobs. But there isn't quite as much difference between the Minmatar and the Amarr as there is between the Gallente and the Caldari. There is also the fact that there is a percentage of Caldari consistently entering Minnie space. Combined, the Amarr and those Caldari venturing into Minnie space pretty much balance things out, maybe even lend them slightly greater numbers. This does kind of bring me onto what I want to say next:
I am hoping that with the FW update, CCP merge the two militia chat channels, so that the Gallente and Minmatar are in one combined channel, and the Caldari and Amarr are in the opposing combined channel. After all, it makes sense for allies to join forces like this. This could also be augmented with a gate between Villore and Osoggur, so that fleets can move back and forth, and an equivalent for the Caldari-Amarr factions. This would also even out the population difference between the militias quite well.
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Ratchman
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Posted - 2009.08.03 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: Aurora Nyx
Originally by: Ratchman Put it this way: if you want future recruits in your corporations, you need to get amongst the general militia. If you keep them at arms length, it's just going to look like an elite boys club.
As I said before, I don't want to cause anyone any offence, but this is a harsh truth and you need to confront it.
Damn Ratch you sit on every fence, lol. This quote was the closest you've come to taking a side. And FYI it's people like you (in NPC corps might I add) that kept the general militia going.
What can I say? I'm a diplomat and concensus builder by nature. :)
I don't think there are 'sides' in this, anyway. We all want the same thing, and many of the points I make aren't in contrast to already exists. Hell, I agree with the reasons that the MDP has been setup, and it makes sense for secure comms. I just think the established corporations have kind of distanced themselves from the militia lately, and this shouldn't really happen, as it creates divides. And the bit that comes after divide is 'conquer'.
Where the Gallente militia do excel, though, is in their organisation. The Minmatar could benefit from this a bit more, as things are a little more chaotic.
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Iva Soreass
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.08.03 11:02:00 -
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Didn't expect things to get so heated
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BacardiDesire
Caldari The 8th Order
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Posted - 2009.08.03 12:26:00 -
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welcome to warfare and tactics son all i want is some cake. |
Proxyyyy
Caldari Aenigmata
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Posted - 2009.08.03 13:21:00 -
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First i agree with wolfy and the MDP i felt it was the only way to save the milltia, it was the reg milltia that failed not the corps...
I thank wolfy for what they hav done and cont. to do for themself but because they are doing it for them self they are doing it for the milltia, cause they are killing caldari so i dont see how they are doing anything wrong...
Other than that most of what Ratchman said seems to be correct...
Proxyyyy = 07 = fix the reg = its a game play it = Pew PEW!!!
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.03 14:17:00 -
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Edited by: Furb Killer on 03/08/2009 14:17:16 The MDP was a decent idea, allthough one of the problems was indeed that you remove the majority of the militia, so the chance you achieve your goals becomes even smaller.
Additionally the MDP had as one of its primary goals to retake space from caldari. However that was doomed to fail looking at the location, the distrust from some to everyone outside mdp, and finally that wolfie refused to do anything besides camping nourv gate in tama. And that didnt even had anything to do with that wolfie feels too good to do plexes, also when there were caldari arround plexes and support was requested to kill them, wolfie never bothered to help, they rather went to tama to camp some gates.
I wont say that the MDP made it worse, considering the militia couldnt get much lower, allthough it probably made it worse for the ones outside MDP. However at least the MDP is not a positive influence for the gallente militia. And i dont see how camping tama helps the militia.
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Aurora Nyx
Caldari ButterWouldntMelt
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Posted - 2009.08.03 14:23:00 -
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Ty Furb.
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.03 14:26:00 -
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This is the point where Caldari does not have to smack how fail gallente is. Gallente does it now themself.
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Parmenides Elea
Gallente Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.08.03 14:37:00 -
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Actually its just Aurura, Bacardi and Furb, we just ignore them anyway as they are alsways moaning about something that wolfy has or hasn't done, me thinks they are just jelous :)
The MDP is fine, the miltia is fine and the kills are coming in thick and fast.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.03 14:45:00 -
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Edited by: Furb Killer on 03/08/2009 14:45:43 You wish.
But if you ignore me anyway, why did wolfie feel the need to kinda flame me (which is kinda an understatement) for advicing to fit a mwd on a blaster mega?
But just keep your head in the sand and screaming that everything is fine.
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Hidden Snake
Caldari More-Cowbell
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Posted - 2009.08.03 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Messenger This is the point where Caldari does not have to smack how fail gallente is. Gallente does it now themself.
LOL ... this
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Aurora Nyx
Caldari ButterWouldntMelt
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Posted - 2009.08.03 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Parmenides Elea Actually its just Aurura, Bacardi and Furb, we just ignore them anyway as they are alsways moaning about something that wolfy has or hasn't done, me thinks they are just jelous :)
Seriously dude wtf. Substitute the word "always" with "never" and you're still only half way right, you aint the topic of conversation as often as you wish you were. Stop the smack. I've never been anything other than courteous and accomodating to you guys, and i haven't singled you out for attack in this thread, so give me a break.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2009.08.04 10:32:00 -
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Man,
I really wanted the Gallente Militia to work. I really did. You know what's funny is about 6 months ago I had a ton of ideas that the general militia said "were a bad idea", like getting corporations together and moving to a new front, actually leaving the militia and being pure offensive pirates, and a lot more.
Now that and more has swung into action. Why did Aduro leave? Because nobody in the Gallente Militia who SEEMS to care cares about the Gallente Militia.
And my guys are totally satisfied. Before they would have torn my head off for leaving but this time they agreed. They didn't like the elitism and bullsht internal warfare going on.
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Gallactica
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.04 10:35:00 -
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Ok, just to have my 2 penneth in here (if your not interested then just ignore)
Having been in the Gallente FW since nearly the start my corps seen a hell of a lot of changes over the last 12 months or so. Personally the spy thing doesnt worry me too much, end of the day there's buggerall you can do about but having said that you'd be crazy not to try and keep it to a minimum where possible.
Things started to get worse in the general militia long before the MDP was formed, it was always the same corps providing 90% of the fleets that were being formed and the same faces providing the rest of the fleet members as well - After Dark Rising left the Gallente (who as i undertand it were in FW to basically increase there member base which they have successfully done but meant we lost a lot of good pilots) the only person that stepped up and regularly lead mixed fleets after DR left was Bacardidesire from 8th order (Mitch left some big boots to fill as he did a great job in getting those huge fleets formed) Again the fleets were being made up of generally the same people each time it was formed and this was how it seemed to be for the next period of time
A few months ago one of my directors (Starglider7) worked his bollox off trying to get things moving with the general militia - problem he had was it was pretty much a full time job, with the quafeultra forum being down it was a nearly impossible task and in the end he burnt himself out and ended up leaving my corp for a break from FW (scratch 1 awesome member of my corp).
And so things went on, Bacardi pretty much the only one forming militia fleets and (can only speak for my corp here) SoTF making sure we supported Bacardi with pretty much all pilots we had online whenever he formed fleets.
The MDP was now being discussed as an idea from the Strix CEO, Zagamesh and we jumped at the chance of getting involved with people we had flown with regularly and people we knew we could rely on when we needed it - and so the MDP was formed - Yes it meant that we would be doing less and less with the general militia but we were moving away from Villore and into low sec and looking after my corp had to be the no.1 priority.
The MDP that seems to be a bain of contention for some people is only 5 weeks old, and we are still finding our feet working together - We have a good EU and US tz coverage now thanks to some quality corps joining, We are loving living out in low sec and getting lots of fun (plexxing and pvp) and actually getting some co-ordination together with some great corps is what were trying to do which were hoping is going to benefit the Gallente side of FW.
Problem with FW is that it isnt an alliance, you cant tell people what they can and cant do, its a collection of corps / pilots who have similar objectives but ofc each corp has there own agenda as to what they want to get out of FW - Weve tried to get a collection of corps together who have a mixture of pvp and plexxing people to try and "win" - it might work, it might not, but from my own and my corps point of view weve not had this much fun in a long long time.
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Kuentai
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.08.04 12:51:00 -
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Elitism ftw!
Seriously though, militia is a chat channel, nothing else. It is not an alliance, we do not have shared goals, Wolfy care about killing things, we care about doing this well. This is what we enjoy, this is where we get our kicks. I hold no allegience to gallente, I hold no institutional dislike towards caldari, [having a bit of jovial smack does not constitute dislike.]
We do not enjoy teaching militia cakes, we get migraines when someone turns up to a fleet in an incursus or doesn't know about fleet coms. I think most of us don't even read militia chat, its been largely minimized on my screen since I joined wolfy, it is identical to npc corp chat, because that is what it is.
We are not eve-uni.
We are here for the giant war dec.
Personally I really do not want any association with the rest of militia at large, not out of elitism, but because I enjoy fighting outnumbered and the adrenaline rush you get from it more than anything else in the game, starting up gallente militia blobs again would compromise this. And now with sotf onboard we seem to have enough to fight, still outnumbered [but not ridiculously so], against the cal blob.
And if you are wondering why there arn't many solo/small gang caldari going around its because wolfy/sotf fight them in TAMA, Tama is the amamake of the cal/gal front. Caldari, like minmatar is the largest entity in this area.
I managed to solo, fc small gangs and general tomfoolery till I was in the top 10 of the gal killboard and got eve-mailed by Evil. Thats how it works, general militia scrag work their way up to this level. If you can't work out how to get here or we have to help you then you've already failed.
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Ratchman
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Posted - 2009.08.04 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Hidden Snake
Originally by: Bad Messenger This is the point where Caldari does not have to smack how fail gallente is. Gallente does it now themself.
LOL ... this
Not sure quite why the Caldari should be gloating so much.
Firstly, this is hardly the onset of the 'fall of the Gallente militia'. People still fight and work together. This debate is about the best way to go about it. Gallente still kill more Caldari than vice versa, even outnumbered 2 to 1.
Secondly, part of this discussion has been brought on by the fact that the Caldari are too scared to come out to play in anything other than a large fleet. Of course, if sitting in an empty room chanting 'I'm the king of the world' is your thing, as Bad Messenger seems to spend an awful lot of time doing, then you must consider yourselves quite successful.
Thirdly, when you do get a large fleet together, you have to travel so many more jumps into Minmatar space, where you get spanked anyway, even with Amarr allies in the same system. If you want a fight, you'd want your enemy to be able to field fleets, rather than having to traipse across so much territory.
Yes, the Gallente may have arguments, but healthy discourse helps the militia evolve. The Caldari may be united, but only in travelling backwards every time they see anything that might shoot at them.
Trolling these things only makes you look worse. You're in a militia that outnumbers it's opponents 2 to 1, and is in 'disarray', as you see it, and you still can't keep pace with the kills they are getting.
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Flashh Gorden
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2009.08.04 15:27:00 -
[32]
When the war started most the experianced pvpers and elite corps went to the Gallente side. The caldari were deemed to be a vast amount of noob mission runners and green players just waiting to be shot down in their droves by the more experianced feds.
Great unless of course your in the fed militia and not an elite pvper.
You see the best place to be if your a new player in FW is inside the plexes where the gangs of remote repping Battlehips cant go. Where pirates cant enter with the hacs and comand ships.
The caldari did not have agreat deal of experianced flyers but those few, welcomed new players alongside them and took an active lead in the plex war effort. Plexing allowed a fleet of small ships like destroyers to become very powerful and brought a sense of purpose to many militia members on the caldari side and many tatsed their first pvp inside the plex.
On the fed side the opposite was happening. The most experainced flyers shuned plexes and thus set an example to the rest of the militia.
So what then are the new Gallente pilots suposed to do? The ones who did try plexing got slaughted by the caldari while the more exprianced flyers on their own team lughed at them and refused to help. I dont blame anyone for leaving the Federal militia and going to have fun on the amarr front I would of done the same myself.
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Stu Pendisdick
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.08.04 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Flashh Gorden ................................... I dont blame anyone for leaving the Federal militia and going to have fun on the amarr front I would of done the same myself.
Let me tell ya something from first hand experience, The Minmatar Militia ain't no better than the Gallente. Nothing but a bunch of back-biting, sniping, infighting epeen swinging egomaniacs more interested in RP than in FW. It shows in every failure of that militia to accomplish anything meaningful.
Sadly for the bulk of the pilots, it is only a select, small handful of people who have basically destroyed the Minmatar Milita, a select, small handful with huge egos and small brains and loud mouths.
Too bad for the average Minmatar Militia pilot............they follow these cretins around like rats followed the pied piper of hamlin, being led from one slaughter to another, mindlessly beating their heads against the wall.
At the end of the day, the Minmatar systems will go the way of the Gallente systems fo exactly and precisely the same reasons, and the very same refrain will echo from the Minmatar that lamely catterwauled from the Gallente......."So what"
Neither the Gallente nor the Minmatar factions will achieve anything of laudable importance until and unless the current "leadership" is reorganized or dethroned.
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Jenna Side
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Posted - 2009.08.04 16:32:00 -
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Edited by: Jenna Side on 04/08/2009 16:33:49
Originally by: Ratchman
Firstly, this is hardly the onset of the 'fall of the Gallente militia'. People still fight and work together. This debate is about the best way to go about it. Gallente still kill more Caldari than vice versa, even outnumbered 2 to 1.
imo i think the only reason gallente kill ratio looks so good is because wolfy is actually doing exceptionally well on the pvp front. its insane the amount of kills these guys rake in and this is what i believe is giving you the wrong impression that gallente militia as a whole is doing so well.wolfy is pwning yes, the rest of militia with a few exceptions arent looking so good.
any way. in a way im glad you guys started this mdp thing (what does mdp stand for?). sounds like you gallente are getting more organized and cooperting between corps, kinda like a mini alliance, which is exactly what caldari had to do when we were givin a bloody nose. so i believe it's a step in the right direction.
as for militia chat. i never look at that either. if people want to work with other people they should join a player corp. simple as that.
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.04 17:50:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Ratchman
Originally by: Hidden Snake
Originally by: Bad Messenger This is the point where Caldari does not have to smack how fail gallente is. Gallente does it now themself.
LOL ... this
Not sure quite why the Caldari should be gloating so much.
Firstly, this is hardly the onset of the 'fall of the Gallente militia'. People still fight and work together. This debate is about the best way to go about it. Gallente still kill more Caldari than vice versa, even outnumbered 2 to 1.
Secondly, part of this discussion has been brought on by the fact that the Caldari are too scared to come out to play in anything other than a large fleet. Of course, if sitting in an empty room chanting 'I'm the king of the world' is your thing, as Bad Messenger seems to spend an awful lot of time doing, then you must consider yourselves quite successful.
Thirdly, when you do get a large fleet together, you have to travel so many more jumps into Minmatar space, where you get spanked anyway, even with Amarr allies in the same system. If you want a fight, you'd want your enemy to be able to field fleets, rather than having to traipse across so much territory.
Yes, the Gallente may have arguments, but healthy discourse helps the militia evolve. The Caldari may be united, but only in travelling backwards every time they see anything that might shoot at them.
Trolling these things only makes you look worse. You're in a militia that outnumbers it's opponents 2 to 1, and is in 'disarray', as you see it, and you still can't keep pace with the kills they are getting.
No matter what you say it seems that you do not know anything about fw. All you say is that Gallente kills caldari more than caldari kills gallente. Blobs do not have much role on actual fw or killing people in tama is just waste of ammo. Systems flipped no matter how many you killed in tama.
Caldari won because of better tactics. We had different corporations who did different things and we had general militia, those all had their role and they all managed to keep it up. We managed to co-operate on some levels. There was some important people like Brigadier General Damar Rocarion who was the Glue beetween different fleets and many others who made it possible.
Caldari lost lot of ships in important plexes, but those all were worth of it. General militia lost their ships on blob fights, but they just keep majority of gallente militia busy while plexers took systems. There was lot of pvp in plexes, mostly caldari had less numbers in those fights, but still we won.
I may seem to be afk sometimes, but i am just busy while playing with my spy alts
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Juan Rayo
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.04 18:10:00 -
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Edited by: Juan Rayo on 04/08/2009 18:11:55 LOL at some of the utter bull**** in this thread.
For you guys badmouthing the MDP:
1. Learn to read. The mutual defense pact is exactly what it says: a pact from different corps in the gallente militia to aid each other in times of war. Being in the MDP does NOT mean you have to plex.
2. That the corps in the MDP have also agreed to work in taking back systems from the caldari is a bonus of the pact, but it's a different issue.
3. Nobody "took pilots away" from the militia. My pilots are there doing what they always do, and that's true for Strix, SOTF, Nm1, Kicking and screaming, wolfy and other corps. And we do participate with militia and pick up x's from militia.
4. Some of us DO run basic pvp and fw classes in militia. If you haven't seen it happen maybe because, you know, you weren't online at the time? find out first instead of talking crap will you? People saying we don't help general militia are insulting those of us who take the time to do so.
5. I agree there is a generalized "we are uber pewpewrs the caldari just plex" mentality in the gallente militia. This is funny to me because the only guys that qualify as uber pew pew are Wolfy, to be honest, and people should stop covering under that umbrella than go plexing. Yeah, orbiting a point in space for 20 minutes is boring. Guess what, genius, it beats spining your ship around in station for 20 minutes asking in militia chat if there is a fleet going. Plus plexing CAN get you fights.
6. "the MDP has not taken back any systems". So? you guys that were in Gallente know DAMN WELL that until plexes spawn evenly in all timezones, there is little we can do. Yeah, we plex when we can btw, we scan systems all the time. But any advance we make in our TZ (US) is undone in a couple hours plexing after DT by the caldari militia.
By the way, this is not the caldari faul. They do what they have to do and do it well. We need gallente corps around dt to have the same plexing will, and for CCP to allow for plexes to spawn evenly during the whole day.
Finally, I believe the MDP has been good for the member corps, and good for the gallente militia as a whole. I really do not understand the idea that getting corps to work together is elitist or harmful to the militia. It is exactly what we should be doing.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.04 20:00:00 -
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If all the MDP corporatiosn wanted to take back space it would have succeeded, but camping the nourv gate in tama is a higher priority, so it will never happen.
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Ronin Reborn
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.08.04 20:23:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Furb Killer If all the MDP corporatiosn wanted to take back space it would have succeeded, but camping the nourv gate in tama is a higher priority, so it will never happen.
Confirming this.
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Elex Akat
Gallente MicroFunks
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Posted - 2009.08.04 23:03:00 -
[39]
So, militia bros, probably bad time to ask this but does WOLFY happen to be recruiting? I've stuck around only because I want to see if the coming patch does anything. Anyway, most of my corp has gone off to nullsec because of how bad the militia is at the moment. You guys got room for one more?
/endthreadhijack
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.08.05 02:34:00 -
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Edited by: TraininVain on 05/08/2009 02:34:45 TBH all the problems Gallente FW had they had before the MDP.
The MDP just made a couple of them worse.
The thing is, with organising stuff, it needs to be happening at the corp level.
Having a couple of dudes and the blob and expecting that couple of dudes to organise the blob is just a recipe for dudes with headaches tbh.
If you want some kind of effort to teach new militia players how to play and to get them into fleets and small gangs it needs a couple of corps doing that imo.
Maybe I'm wrong and it's the lack of FCs that is screwing you but that's my take on it.
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.05 09:25:00 -
[41]
I approve that Ghaylante is fail faction and I support my Caldari State to the end.
I gave my corporation to them and we gained so much.
Thanks to my fearless CEO and his brilliant tactics we were able to (with help of my dear Damar) take all Gallente systems while Gallente people cried.
I still smile everyone time I see "Lowsec DD"-video on youtube
"The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of goldcrap"
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BacardiDesire
Caldari The 8th Order
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Posted - 2009.08.05 10:04:00 -
[42]
Edited by: BacardiDesire on 05/08/2009 10:05:26
Originally by: Juan Rayo
6. "the MDP has not taken back any systems". So? you guys that were in Gallente know DAMN WELL that until plexes spawn evenly in all timezones, there is little we can do. Yeah, we plex when we can btw, we scan systems all the time. But any advance we make in our TZ (US) is undone in a couple hours plexing after DT by the caldari militia.
If you've been around a little bit scanning you might have noticed plexes now respwn each two hours, down time is just another cycle in this. and if you dont find plexes in your constellation.. well back luck on the spwn mechanic ;) sorry to burst your excuse all i want is some cake. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.05 10:27:00 -
[43]
Edited by: chatgris on 05/08/2009 10:31:18
Originally by: BacardiDesire If you've been around a little bit scanning you might have noticed plexes now respwn each two hours, down time is just another cycle in this. and if you dont find plexes in your constellation.. well back luck on the spwn mechanic ;) sorry to burst your excuse
When did this change? I had been watching patch notes for a while now, and I'd given up on scanning for plexes a long time ago. (not that that was the only reason I didn't run plexes). Do you have any links to a patch note that confirms this? Or is this just your observation? (observation is great too, just trying to get info on this).
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Unfamed II
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.05 11:03:00 -
[44]
Originally by: chatgris Edited by: chatgris on 05/08/2009 10:31:18
Originally by: BacardiDesire If you've been around a little bit scanning you might have noticed plexes now respwn each two hours, down time is just another cycle in this. and if you dont find plexes in your constellation.. well back luck on the spwn mechanic ;) sorry to burst your excuse
When did this change? I had been watching patch notes for a while now, and I'd given up on scanning for plexes a long time ago. (not that that was the only reason I didn't run plexes). Do you have any links to a patch note that confirms this? Or is this just your observation? (observation is great too, just trying to get info on this).
There was not any notes about it, but I've gotten the feeling too that something is changed. I do plex very little these days.
Originally by: Sandslinger of CA
So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2009.08.05 11:09:00 -
[45]
Originally by: chatgris Do you have any links to a patch note that confirms this?
You do realise that there was nothing in patch notes about "warp in range" changes either.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.05 12:03:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Originally by: chatgris Do you have any links to a patch note that confirms this?
You do realise that there was nothing in patch notes about "warp in range" changes either.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
I do. Doesn't mean there isn't anything anything on plex spawn times though. Though with all this, it almost seems like these "changes" were just unintended side effects and no-one at CCP really gives a rats ass about fw mechanics.
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.06 11:15:00 -
[47]
Edited by: Bad Messenger on 06/08/2009 11:15:42
Originally by: chatgris
Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Originally by: chatgris Do you have any links to a patch note that confirms this?
You do realise that there was nothing in patch notes about "warp in range" changes either.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
I do. Doesn't mean there isn't anything anything on plex spawn times though. Though with all this, it almost seems like these "changes" were just unintended side effects and no-one at CCP really gives a rats ass about fw mechanics.
Nothing has changed, plexes spawn as always. After dt plexing is only imagination and excuse how did you lose. Truth has always been different.
If it seems that those spawn times have changed is only imagination, those respawns because someone took those somewhere else and they respawned.
If no one plex there is no repawns at all. More plexing = more spawns as always has been.
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Mary Molotov
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Posted - 2009.08.06 11:44:00 -
[48]
Join Caldari if you talk a good fight and like to exploiting.
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Dictum Factum
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.08.06 12:05:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Mary Molotov Join Caldari if you talk a good fight and like to exploiting.
Let it go.
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decoherance
Gallente The Black Ark
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Posted - 2009.08.06 13:36:00 -
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Well this thread has answered a few questions. A couple of months ago I went on holiday for 2 weeks only to find on my return that I had been kicked from Militia chat 2. I thought to myself I must be a spy and those 2 weeks I sat on the beach I must have been sending the Caldari intel. I've been in Gallente militia since day 1 and militia chat was always busy with lots of fleets and lots of action, but the last few months have been dead, whenever I log in now and look at militia chat all I see is accusations of spys if anything at all. FW was the only thing keeping me from quitting eve as I cant be arsed to make 'friends' and be part of a community. I just want to log in, find out if anything is going on and get in on the action and FW was perfect for that. Because of the way Gallete has gone I havnt played for a good month and am seriously concidering cancelling my sub. I might head over to the Minmatar side now I know why Gallente is dead. Well done for turning a great game feature into a paranoid closed off club.
(bolded the word game as I think some of you may have forgot)
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EVIL SYNNs
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.08.06 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: decoherance Well this thread has answered a few questions. A couple of months ago I went on holiday for 2 weeks only to find on my return that I had been kicked from Militia chat 2. I thought to myself I must be a spy and those 2 weeks I sat on the beach I must have been sending the Caldari intel. I've been in Gallente militia since day 1 and militia chat was always busy with lots of fleets and lots of action, but the last few months have been dead, whenever I log in now and look at militia chat all I see is accusations of spys if anything at all. FW was the only thing keeping me from quitting eve as I cant be arsed to make 'friends' and be part of a community. I just want to log in, find out if anything is going on and get in on the action and FW was perfect for that. Because of the way Gallete has gone I havnt played for a good month and am seriously concidering cancelling my sub. I might head over to the Minmatar side now I know why Gallente is dead. Well done for turning a great game feature into a paranoid closed off club.
(bolded the word game as I think some of you may have forgot)
OMG I'm sorry. I forgot about my duty to entertain ... WOLFY sing song every Tuesday night at the Nourv gate Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |
Parmenides Elea
Gallente Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.08.06 14:28:00 -
[52]
Originally by: decoherance Well this thread has answered a few questions.
FW was the only thing keeping me from quitting eve as I cant be arsed to make 'friends' and be part of a community.
You can't be arsed to make "freinds" and be part of community and yet you expect everyone else to make "friends" and involve you in their community. Fecking hyprocrite get a life and stop blamming others for your own faliures.
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AchurAbAbY
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.08.06 14:34:00 -
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Wolfy needs to keep your 700m+ fitted Sleipnir's out of Jita
It was a blast quickly melting that down in 15s. Some lucky neut grabbed a 200m shield booster, dang vultures.
And before you say, this was not a big fleet op, it was a quick op of 5 people against the Officer fitted Sleipnir and a nicely fitted Malestrom that quickly left his friend for death.
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Parmenides Elea
Gallente Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.08.06 14:41:00 -
[54]
Originally by: AchurAbAbY Wolfy needs to keep your 700m+ fitted Sleipnir's out of Jita
It was a blast quickly melting that down in 15s. Some lucky neut grabbed a 200m shield booster, dang vultures.
And before you say, this was not a big fleet op, it was a quick op of 5 people against the Officer fitted Sleipnir and a nicely fitted Malestrom that quickly left his friend for death.
Oh dear, tropic lost his sleip? End of the world for us!!! I personally know he got no where near the value of the ship in kills and loot before he lost it and most definatly this loss will have hurt him greatly, after all we at wolfy never expect to loose a ship and always fly what we cannot afford to loose (thats sarcasm incase you're too stupid to understand). Congrats on the kill but seriously you're trying to smack us with that???
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decoherance
Gallente The Black Ark
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Posted - 2009.08.06 15:24:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Parmenides Elea
You can't be arsed to make "freinds" and be part of community and yet you expect everyone else to make "friends" and involve you in their community.
Err...no. I expect the FDU to work as intended and not turn into a corp circle jerk excluding all the solo players like myself because we might be spies.
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Parmenides Elea
Gallente Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.08.06 16:01:00 -
[56]
Originally by: decoherance
Originally by: Parmenides Elea
You can't be arsed to make "freinds" and be part of community and yet you expect everyone else to make "friends" and involve you in their community.
Err...no. I expect the FDU to work as intended and not turn into a corp circle jerk excluding all the solo players like myself because we might be spies.
No where did it say that corps that sign up to fight for the gallente federation MUST include the militia's in what they do. If you want to be included in what the MDP corps are doing then join them. B****ing about not being included is not going to help. The FDU is like the newb corps in eve, don't expect them to be organised because they simply are not. It seems to me you want to remain independant and have the corps who have their own goals and ideas to wait on you, thats just not going to happen. Oh and you can be a solo pvper and still be part of a corp, check Lorens stats, all time no.1 killer in faction war and most of those kills are solo.
Incase anyone else from the militia feels like any of the corps owe them anything, anything at all.....WE OWE YOU NOTHING! NADA! ZILCHE! If we want to include in what we do thats our choice, the same choice you have to ignore our requests for help or assistance such as the dismal response to the 8 mothership op that the MDP organised last week.
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Ronin Reborn
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.08.06 16:12:00 -
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officer fit sliep. There were three dread guiristas mods on that ship, which we're picked up from caldari ravens he popped. Check the killboard if you don't believe me. It's hardly the loss you think it is.
Also, at the 1 kill 7 loss FW player smacking someone with more kills on an alt than you'll ever have.
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.06 21:15:00 -
[58]
700m mods on sleipnir but no rigs? makes no sense to me but hey everyone is free to fit how they like.
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Parmenides Elea
Gallente Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.08.07 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Messenger 700m mods on sleipnir but no rigs? makes no sense to me but hey everyone is free to fit how they like.
Take a look at ronnins post, if he had bought the mods I'm sure trop would have rigged it, as they where looted why invest isk in a ship that he is expecting to loose. Also kill board shows 7-1 odds, you say a maelstrom got away so thats 7-2 odds, fair fight as usually then. When you've done something worthy of smacking then smack away, we won't be offended but this? Come on folks try a bit harder!
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Unfamed II
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.07 11:04:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Parmenides Elea
Originally by: Bad Messenger 700m mods on sleipnir but no rigs? makes no sense to me but hey everyone is free to fit how they like.
Take a look at ronnins post, if he had bought the mods I'm sure trop would have rigged it, as they where looted why invest isk in a ship that he is expecting to loose. Also kill board shows 7-1 odds, you say a maelstrom got away so thats 7-2 odds, fair fight as usually then. When you've done something worthy of smacking then smack away, we won't be offended but this? Come on folks try a bit harder!
I once killed 4 frigs with smartbombing bs, 4-1 odds amirite? Anyways, keep going, this thread delivers.
Originally by: Sandslinger of CA
So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.07 22:18:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Parmenides Elea
Originally by: Bad Messenger 700m mods on sleipnir but no rigs? makes no sense to me but hey everyone is free to fit how they like.
Take a look at ronnins post, if he had bought the mods I'm sure trop would have rigged it, as they where looted why invest isk in a ship that he is expecting to loose. Also kill board shows 7-1 odds, you say a maelstrom got away so thats 7-2 odds, fair fight as usually then. When you've done something worthy of smacking then smack away, we won't be offended but this? Come on folks try a bit harder!
700m fit is 700m fit no matter if you looted or bought those, sell 1 faction mod and buy rigs and you may tank better. It is just stupid to fly with fit like that no matter what you say.
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Vixisti
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.08.08 08:29:00 -
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The character who eventually lost the Sleip has over 95% isk efficiency and has approx 1:60 kill ratio . Nuff said, me thinks.
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Mary Molotov
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Posted - 2009.08.08 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Messenger 700m mods on sleipnir but no rigs? makes no sense to me but hey everyone is free to fit how they like.
That is because you fly Tech 1 fitted Ravens. I can only suppose you have to pay for your accounts with Isk rather than buy decent Modules. Now run along and farm some Isk for your Alt Accounts while everyobody laughs at your cheapness.
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Droog 1
Black Rise Inbreds
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Posted - 2009.08.08 10:32:00 -
[64]
Caldari militia is sooo predictable. The infighting and arguments are reaching meltdown point.
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Unfamed II
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.08 11:14:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Droog 1 Caldari militia is sooo predictable. The infighting and arguments are reaching meltdown point.
You'd know that really well.
Originally by: Sandslinger of CA
So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2009.08.10 09:43:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Droog 1 Caldari militia is sooo predictable. The infighting and arguments are reaching meltdown point.
Only meltdown I see is last remaining shreds of Gallente dignity. After all, the "we conquer back all space" is mainly achieved by exploiting the timers with CCP's refusal to fix a simple thing like that.
For example, just today I saw two mwd executioners trying to bug the plex timers in Placid region. But no matter, contested system means my alts farm me more ISK. Something Genstar members were not willing to believe in Anchauttes local today.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
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Val Erian
Gallente Azure Horizon Federate Militia
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Posted - 2009.08.10 14:13:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Originally by: Droog 1 Caldari militia is sooo predictable. The infighting and arguments are reaching meltdown point.
Only meltdown I see is last remaining shreds of Gallente dignity. After all, the "we conquer back all space" is mainly achieved by exploiting the timers with CCP's refusal to fix a simple thing like that.
For example, just today I saw two mwd executioners trying to bug the plex timers in Placid region. But no matter, contested system means my alts farm me more ISK. Something Genstar members were not willing to believe in Anchauttes local today.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.10 16:36:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Val Erian Edited by: Val Erian on 10/08/2009 14:32:02
Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Originally by: Droog 1 Caldari militia is sooo predictable. The infighting and arguments are reaching meltdown point.
Only meltdown I see is last remaining shreds of Gallente dignity. After all, the "we conquer back all space" is mainly achieved by exploiting the timers with CCP's refusal to fix a simple thing like that.
For example, just today I saw two mwd executioners trying to bug the plex timers in Placid region. But no matter, contested system means my alts farm me more ISK. Something Genstar members were not willing to believe in Anchauttes local today.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
Your very funny.
I dont think your as stupid as the above indicates.
So you must be saying things you know to be untrue on purpose.
After months of doing plexs you have no idea what tactic 2 t1 frigs would use to complete a complex? Really?
They couldnt possibly be using one to take aggro at speed and distance while the other stays on the timer?
We know how to cap plexes with frigates, we've done that a lot. But capturing plexes without anyone in is fotm.
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Greg6
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Posted - 2009.08.10 16:51:00 -
[69]
OK, it used to be that a cloaked ship could take a plex while cloaked and on the button. A trick the caldari used all the time to help them take all the systems. That exploit has been corrected so the gallente have to play a different game than the caldari did to achieve the same ends, namely taking systems via plexing.
Now there is some error where where the timers of plexes don't always stop when ships leave the plex, true enough. But you're complaining that the galente are using exploits because of this error?
LOL. As I said in local, you can tell when Damar and Bad Messenger are frustrated and losing when they start calling names in local chat and *****ing about exploits that aren't exploits in the forums. Thanks for the encouragement guys, it's nice to know that we are getting under your skin.
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.10 18:17:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Greg6 OK, it used to be that a cloaked ship could take a plex while cloaked and on the button. A trick the caldari used all the time to help them take all the systems. That exploit has been corrected so the gallente have to play a different game than the caldari did to achieve the same ends, namely taking systems via plexing.
Now there is some error where where the timers of plexes don't always stop when ships leave the plex, true enough. But you're complaining that the galente are using exploits because of this error?
LOL. As I said in local, you can tell when Damar and Bad Messenger are frustrated and losing when they start calling names in local chat and *****ing about exploits that aren't exploits in the forums. Thanks for the encouragement guys, it's nice to know that we are getting under your skin.
It is clearly exploit if you do it on purpose.
And your plexing efforts are pathetic, we are not losing anything. All we want is that you stop exploiting, is that too much asked for you?
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Dex Timor
Forza Di Colpo
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Posted - 2009.08.10 19:40:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Bad Messenger ...
And your plexing efforts are pathetic ...
FW stats
2000 pilots more then Gallente (Gallente have 69% of Caldari strength in number of pilots at time of posting), 30 kills less (Caldari do 65% of what Gallente do in kills) but "your plexing efforts are pathetic".
Just to remind you:
Caldari = defensive plexing only since they "won the war". Defensive plexes are easier because you have your own race's NPCs as back up. Caldari NPC have this nice feature of target jamming attackers. Defensive plexes give you more victory points.
Gallente = offensive plexing only since they "lost the war". When they enter a plex they are facing target jamming NPCs and are outnumbered by the Caldari players. Offensive plexing gives less victory points.
Considering all this, doing 63% of the victory points the Caldari are making is not bad. Not enough to win back systems, maybe ... but please Caldari explain why 2000 more pilots manage to get -30 kills. I would boot those 2000 spies and enjoy moar kills
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.10 22:11:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Dex Timor
Originally by: Bad Messenger ...
And your plexing efforts are pathetic ...
FW stats
2000 pilots more then Gallente (Gallente have 69% of Caldari strength in number of pilots at time of posting), 30 kills less (Caldari do 65% of what Gallente do in kills) but "your plexing efforts are pathetic".
Just to remind you:
Caldari = defensive plexing only since they "won the war". Defensive plexes are easier because you have your own race's NPCs as back up. Caldari NPC have this nice feature of target jamming attackers. Defensive plexes give you more victory points.
Gallente = offensive plexing only since they "lost the war". When they enter a plex they are facing target jamming NPCs and are outnumbered by the Caldari players. Offensive plexing gives less victory points.
Considering all this, doing 63% of the victory points the Caldari are making is not bad. Not enough to win back systems, maybe ... but please Caldari explain why 2000 more pilots manage to get -30 kills. I would boot those 2000 spies and enjoy moar kills
I am sure you did not understand the fact that caldari can not have ever more than that 63% more plexing point becaus there is nothing to plex if gallente does not take any plexes.
In fact if gallente takes 1 plex caldari has to take approx 2 plexes, slightly depending wich system it is.
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Dex Timor
Forza Di Colpo
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Posted - 2009.08.11 03:16:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Bad Messenger
I am sure you did not understand the fact that caldari can not have ever more than that 63% more plexing point becaus there is nothing to plex if gallente does not take any plexes.
Oh I did, but you're right my wording was hinting that I didn't. I should have said: The Gallente earn as many VPs as Minmatar or Amarr do with similar numbers of pilots and no defensive plexes at all. Kudos Gallente.
Fact is: They do extremely well for being at a huge disadvantage. I see nothing where "pathetic" would apply.
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2009.08.11 07:17:00 -
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Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 11/08/2009 07:17:31
Originally by: Greg6 LOL. As I said in local, you can tell when Damar and Bad Messenger are frustrated and losing when they start calling names in local chat and *****ing about exploits that aren't exploits in the forums. Thanks for the encouragement guys, it's nice to know that we are getting under your skin.
Using the NPC bug so they attack Caldari militia members is an exploit and I will keep on petitioning it. And that's what Amon Dei used in Nennamaila fight. I bet you feel proud when it was the only way your gang of 20 cruiser/t2 frigs could outmatch 3 caracals, harpy, griffin and condor. We still popped his ishkur when he returned. Serves him right.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
P.S: Whatever else you killed after me and BM got 7 killmails out of you is not on my account. I told people not to come anymore but come they did anyway.
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Unfamed II
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.11 12:00:00 -
[75]
Gallente plexing efforts are being nullified by few 60k sp alts.
Originally by: Sandslinger of CA
So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.08.11 13:03:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Bad Messenger
Originally by: Dex Timor
Originally by: Bad Messenger ...
And your plexing efforts are pathetic ...
FW stats
2000 pilots more then Gallente (Gallente have 69% of Caldari strength in number of pilots at time of posting), 30 kills less (Caldari do 65% of what Gallente do in kills) but "your plexing efforts are pathetic".
Just to remind you:
Caldari = defensive plexing only since they "won the war". Defensive plexes are easier because you have your own race's NPCs as back up. Caldari NPC have this nice feature of target jamming attackers. Defensive plexes give you more victory points.
Gallente = offensive plexing only since they "lost the war". When they enter a plex they are facing target jamming NPCs and are outnumbered by the Caldari players. Offensive plexing gives less victory points.
Considering all this, doing 63% of the victory points the Caldari are making is not bad. Not enough to win back systems, maybe ... but please Caldari explain why 2000 more pilots manage to get -30 kills. I would boot those 2000 spies and enjoy moar kills
I am sure you did not understand the fact that caldari can not have ever more than that 63% more plexing point becaus there is nothing to plex if gallente does not take any plexes.
In fact if gallente takes 1 plex caldari has to take approx 2 plexes, slightly depending wich system it is.
Hung around waiting for you to undock last night you bugger, didn't undock either so I got bored and left, the squids didn't seem to want to PVP last night.
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Val Erian
Gallente Azure Horizon Federate Militia
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Posted - 2009.08.11 13:14:00 -
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Quote: Using the NPC bug so they attack Caldari militia members is an exploit and I will keep on petitioning it.
Actualy it isnt. The Gm's must love your stream of petitions for non existant exploits. Maybe someone should petition your pathetic whining.
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.11 13:24:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Val Erian
Quote: Using the NPC bug so they attack Caldari militia members is an exploit and I will keep on petitioning it.
Actualy it isnt. The Gm's must love your stream of petitions for non existant exploits. Maybe someone should petition your pathetic whining.
What it is then? feature? Working as planned? I think no, CCP just does not know these bugs so they do not consider it as an exploit. But you are using bug to get advantage so what else it can be than exploit?
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2009.08.11 13:29:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Bad Messenger Working as planned?
Must be in Val's opinion. After all, Caldari navy npc doing 78% damage to....caldari militia member is something which helps Gallente and thus must be working as intended.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
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Val Erian
Gallente Azure Horizon Federate Militia
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Posted - 2009.08.11 14:16:00 -
[80]
lol.....major whinage.
You guys seem to think that everyone has the same level of knowledge about the plexs that you do.
You have to remeber that most people in FW do not spend 8-12 hours a day 7 days a week running 2-3 accounts of plexing alts and thus dont know the ins and outs of every bug. Most would consider that a bit RL pathetic, but its effective in game.
So what should this guy have done? warp out of the plex then come back in for you to pop him at the warp in? He cant stay in plex and wait for re inforcements and try and keep aggro
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Unfamed II
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.11 14:31:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Val Erian lol.....major whinage.
You guys seem to think that everyone has the same level of knowledge about the plexs that you do.
You have to remeber that most people in FW do not spend 8-12 hours a day 7 days a week running 2-3 accounts of plexing alts and thus dont know the ins and outs of every bug. Most would consider that a bit RL pathetic, but its effective in game.
So what should this guy have done? warp out of the plex then come back in for you to pop him at the warp in? He cant stay in plex and wait for re inforcements and try and keep aggro
Heh, that's the good old Val, being proud to exploit. Surely you don't think the caldari plex spawns are working correctly when they suddenly stop aggroing gallente members and start firing on caldari militia, do you? You've proven to be a bit on the simple side, but even you can't be this stupid? Or am I perhaps overestimating you again?
Just because CCP is slow to react to any faults found in EVE, doesn't mean something is supposed to work like it does. Do you also think that the moongate was perfectly ok, until fixed?
Originally by: Sandslinger of CA
So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2009.08.11 14:32:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Val Erian You guys seem to think that everyone has the same level of knowledge about the plexs that you do.
The person who did has 2006 character and has been in FW for enough time. Also, it would be strategically unwise for the gallentes not to spread the knowledge of NPC aggro bug to general militia or at least to "militia 2". At least so far it's always been people who belong to "militia 2" who have triggered the bug.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
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Unfamed II
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.11 14:32:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Originally by: Val Erian You guys seem to think that everyone has the same level of knowledge about the plexs that you do.
The person who did has 2006 character and has been in FW for enough time. Also, it would be strategically unwise for the gallentes not to spread the knowledge of NPC aggro bug to general militia or at least to "militia 2". At least so far it's always been people who belong to "militia 2" who have triggered the bug.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
Mutual Depression Pact at it's best.
Originally by: Sandslinger of CA
So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.11 14:37:00 -
[84]
SUSPENSION AND BAN POLICY... 1. EXPLOITS
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Severe offences may result in an immediate ban without warning; however, warnings may be given for first time offenses, followed by account suspensions of varying degree and ultimately a permanent ban if a player:
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c. Is aware of an exploitable bug and fails to report it to Game Masters and/or distributes the information to other players.
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Cromwell Savage
Kickin and Screamin Cadet force
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Posted - 2009.08.11 14:45:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Originally by: Val Erian You guys seem to think that everyone has the same level of knowledge about the plexs that you do.
The person who did has 2006 character and has been in FW for enough time. Also, it would be strategically unwise for the gallentes not to spread the knowledge of NPC aggro bug to general militia or at least to "militia 2". At least so far it's always been people who belong to "militia 2" who have triggered the bug.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
You're assuming that time in FW = plexing knowledge. LOL All you have to do is look at the controlled systems and realize that we, the Gal Mil, do not put a strong emphasis on plexing and therefore are probably not as keen to all the mechanics as you guys are. We plex for mainly 2 reasons - standings and to annoy/fight Squids. I was in that fleet and there was not one mention of using any, or triggering any exploit. Granted, I'm still just a nub in "Eve Time" but I have been flying with these guys for the few months I have been in FW and have never seen or heard of anything shady.
I would have expected players with your guys' experience and time in this game would make your case better rather than resorting to unsubstantiated forum slander...
But hey, after all, this is the internet...
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.11 14:50:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Cromwell Savage
Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Originally by: Val Erian You guys seem to think that everyone has the same level of knowledge about the plexs that you do.
The person who did has 2006 character and has been in FW for enough time. Also, it would be strategically unwise for the gallentes not to spread the knowledge of NPC aggro bug to general militia or at least to "militia 2". At least so far it's always been people who belong to "militia 2" who have triggered the bug.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
You're assuming that time in FW = plexing knowledge. LOL All you have to do is look at the controlled systems and realize that we, the Gal Mil, do not put a strong emphasis on plexing and therefore are probably not as keen to all the mechanics as you guys are. We plex for mainly 2 reasons - standings and to annoy/fight Squids. I was in that fleet and there was not one mention of using any, or triggering any exploit. Granted, I'm still just a nub in "Eve Time" but I have been flying with these guys for the few months I have been in FW and have never seen or heard of anything shady.
I would have expected players with your guys' experience and time in this game would make your case better rather than resorting to unsubstantiated forum slander...
But hey, after all, this is the internet...
Sad but there was not any other gallentes than exploiter in plex at the moment when actual exploit happened, so it is not a supprice that you did not see anything.
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2009.08.11 14:52:00 -
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Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 11/08/2009 14:52:42
Originally by: Cromwell Savage I would have expected players with your guys' experience and time in this game would make your case better rather than resorting to unsubstantiated forum slander...
Once we learned of the bug, we ran tests in SiSi to see how it's triggered and I must give you guys almost perfect 10 in it's execution. You can deny it all you want but right from the start, Amon's ishkur went on maneuver to trigger the bug and no surprise there, NPCs attacked our gang, removing the only advantage we had in our established positions against your fleet.
And BM, of course there was none. Otherwise the bug might not work....
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
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Greg6
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Posted - 2009.08.11 14:54:00 -
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Hell I was there and still don't understand this "NPC rat mixed aggro," bug. So if the target of the rats flies far enough from the button the rats will find another target, even a member of their own militia? News to me and I plex quite a bit. Is that the bug you are talking about?
During the fight in question no one was putting rat aggro on you on purpose. We thought it was your FOF missiles that had done the job with them going after the rats and then the rats shooting you. As Val said, we simply don't know the mechanics of plexing as well as you all do, as most of us just refuse to do it.
See most Gallente don't plex to take systems. The plex for PVP, if they will plex at all. If there are no Caldari in a plex 90% of the Gallente militia will not enter it. Hell even if there is Caldari in a plex 50% of the Galente militia still won't enter it. We tend to be stupidly religious about plexing. So, believe it or not, I don't think many folk in the Gallente militia understand about this bug, whatever membership they may have in whatever channel. But please do explain it to me, I'd like to know what it is and how it works.
As to the original point, back when you could run a plex while cloaked I didn't see any caldari volunteering to avoid using that exploit. Far from it. You all did just as you should and used every part of the game you could use to win. How many alts are you running currently? Using alts in FW plexing efforts is an exploit that you all aren't about to give up on. And I'm sure there are more.
Right now you are a pot calling the kettle black. "Don't use the game mechanics, broken or not, to beat me even though I use the game mechanics, broke or not, to beat you." That's not a very credible request, for obvious reasons.
Caldari are correct in that they won fleet war. Gallente are too religious about plexing and, for the most part, will only fight in roaming gangs or in Tama on the Nourv gate. This has given the Calardi all the systems and free reign to keep them. While there are some exceptions in the Gallente militia this is largely true and it's why Caldari won. Agreed. However, no one purposively took advantage of an exploit in the fight you are writing about and most of us aren't even aware of how to do so. Wanna teach us? :)
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Unfamed II
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.11 15:00:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Greg6 *explains how the bug works and then says "i didnt use it on purpose"*
Nice cover up.
Originally by: Sandslinger of CA
So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
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Val Erian
Gallente Azure Horizon Federate Militia
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Posted - 2009.08.11 15:03:00 -
[90]
Quote: Heh, that's the good old Val, being proud to exploit. Surely you don't think the caldari plex spawns are working correctly when they suddenly stop aggroing gallente members and start firing on caldari militia, do you? You've proven to be a bit on the simple side, but even you can't be this stupid? Or am I perhaps overestimating you again?
Space Perverts and Forum Whiners United.
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Greg6
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Posted - 2009.08.11 15:03:00 -
[91]
lol. Nice try, Sherlock, but the limited understanding I had was based on what I read here. Thanks for confirming it for me.
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Cromwell Savage
Kickin and Screamin Cadet force
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Posted - 2009.08.11 15:06:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Unfamed II
Originally by: Greg6 *explains how the bug works and then says "i didnt use it on purpose"*
Nice cover up.
How is speed tanking a bug? Do you guys not understand that we know not of this "exploit". The purpose of speed tanking is so that 1 and only 1 has the aggro so the rest can concentrate on the WT's. Fighting you and NPC's that can hit and jam 2 to 3 times what any WT can is a non-winner. That's all. Nothing else. There is no cover up lol. Greg6 explained it as it happended. Only 1 person was there so they could get the aggro and then the rest come in to fight the WT's. How hard is that to understand?
I'll say it again and then let it rest...there was no plan or purposeful execution of an exploit. I have flown with these guys regularly for months now and I stand by that.
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2009.08.11 15:09:00 -
[93]
Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 11/08/2009 15:10:47
Originally by: Greg6 Hell I was there and still don't understand this "NPC rat mixed aggro," bug. So if the target of the rats flies far enough from the button the rats will find another target, even a member of their own militia? News to me and I plex quite a bit. Is that the bug you are talking about?
During the fight in question no one was putting rat aggro on you on purpose. We thought it was your FOF missiles that had done the job with them going after the rats and then the rats shooting you.
Yes, that is how the bug works as you outline. Also, why would we have used FoF's when you had no ewar in the plex until only me and BM were left and had nothing left to shoot at you. (also, nice catch Unfamed...)
I never ran cloak exploit, but I know people from both militias who did.
Also, explain who having an alt run the plexes is an exploit? it still does not stop the need for them to be inside the plex and run the timer. We lose quite a lot that way, mainly to pirates but it's ok, we are prepared for it.
And as we said to Genstar, we plex because we make isk with it. It just requires some imagination. Everybody else in Caldari militia is in same position actually.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.11 15:17:00 -
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Edited by: Bad Messenger on 11/08/2009 15:18:05 Edited by: Bad Messenger on 11/08/2009 15:17:30 Plexing alts are totally legit. They do not use cloak, they do not have stabs they have tackle and weapon, they stay in plex orbiting clock.
They may be afk or not, they may run away if enemy enters plex or they also kill people sometimes http://killboard.caldarimilitia.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=129962 .
Maybe this is why Val hates them
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Greg6
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Posted - 2009.08.11 15:52:00 -
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Couldn't tell you why you were using FOF missiles but that's what my combat log reported that you were hitting me with. Maybe so that you could hit us from outside of your locking range in those caracals? The why is beyond me but the fact remains that my combat log showed that you were hitting me with FOF missiles.
Using alts is an exploit because it gives one player two characters. This allows players to see what is going on in multiples systems simultaneously, run multiple plexes simultaneously, scout for themselves, and otherwise get the advantages of working in teams on demand and with zero coordination and communication issues between those team members. It's a huge advantage that isn't available to folk with a single account and constitutes an exploit, imho. Even if it is within the rules. Hell, especially if it is within the rules.
And wether or not you personally ever ran a plex cloaked really doesn't matter. Both sides will use whatever mechanics the game will allow to win, that's just how games are played.
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.11 15:57:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Greg6 ... Using alts is an exploit because it gives one player two characters. This allows players to see what is going on in multiples systems simultaneously, run multiple plexes simultaneously, scout for themselves, and otherwise get the advantages of working in teams on demand and with zero coordination and communication issues between those team members. It's a huge advantage that isn't available to folk with a single account and constitutes an exploit, imho. Even if it is within the rules. Hell, especially if it is within the rules. ...
Welcome to EVE-online
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Greg6
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Posted - 2009.08.11 15:58:00 -
[97]
Indeed. Welcome to eve-online, is my very point to you. :)
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2009.08.11 16:02:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Greg6 The why is beyond me but the fact remains that my combat log showed that you were hitting me with FOF missiles.
I switched Fof's at the closing stages of the match when you brought blackbird and Celestis inside to damp my targeting range. Until that point, fof's were not used. Is this hard to understand? Also, the fof is not the issue, bugging npcs is.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
P.S: Alts an exploit? I could name few of your alt spies....
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Greg6
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Posted - 2009.08.11 16:46:00 -
[99]
Actually it was my vexor that you drove out of the plex with FOF missiles. Then I brought the bb back and you stayed far out of range and warped off.
And just because both sides use alts that does not change the fact that using alts is an exploit. In fact that's kind of my point. Both sides will do what the game allows to win. You are just as guilty of it as we are, if indeed, guild is even a concept that applies.
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.11 16:55:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Greg6 Actually it was my vexor that you drove out of the plex with FOF missiles. Then I brought the bb back and you stayed far out of range and warped off.
And just because both sides use alts that does not change the fact that using alts is an exploit. In fact that's kind of my point. Both sides will do what the game allows to win. You are just as guilty of it as we are, if indeed, guild is even a concept that applies.
If alts are exploit, why you have 3 character slots in your account, and why there has been power of two campains by ccp ?
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Parmenides Elea
Gallente Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.08.11 17:33:00 -
[101]
Saying that using alts is an exploit is just plain silly. I really hate to agree with Bad Messenger on anything but come on!
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Havegooda
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.11 18:45:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Originally by: Greg6 The why is beyond me but the fact remains that my combat log showed that you were hitting me with FOF missiles.
I switched Fof's at the closing stages of the match when you brought blackbird and Celestis inside to damp my targeting range. Until that point, fof's were not used. Is this hard to understand? Also, the fof is not the issue, bugging npcs is.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
P.S: Alts an exploit? I could name few of your alt spies....
Go on...
I find it funny that Damar talks smack on the forums, and runs like hell from a single Rifter when he's in a Thrasher.
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Sahaquiel Faust
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2009.08.11 19:12:00 -
[103]
MXD stated a long time ago that the militia in general would suffer if plexing was ignored. Not only was our advice ignored, not only was we ridiculed and derided when our predictions inevitably turned out to be entirely correct, but we were actively blamed by other members of the militia for the situation which we had predicted would occur was our advice not heeded.GG Gallente militia.
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2009.08.11 19:15:00 -
[104]
Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 11/08/2009 19:19:03 Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 11/08/2009 19:17:40 Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 11/08/2009 19:15:04
Originally by: Havegooda I find it funny that Damar talks smack on the forums, and runs like hell from a single Rifter when he's in a Thrasher.
I fight for plexes. You were not inside a plex. Therefore you were irrelevant and not worth my time. On the other hand, someone else few jumps out was capturing a plex so I destroyed his ship and capsule.
Also, to quote a PERVS member, Qcats does not even visit a liquor store without multiple tracking disruptors so why go into a fight with disadvantage?
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
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Havegooda
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.11 19:28:00 -
[105]
Edited by: Havegooda on 11/08/2009 19:28:33
Originally by: Damar Rocarion Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 11/08/2009 19:19:03 Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 11/08/2009 19:17:40 Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 11/08/2009 19:15:04
I fight for plexes. You were not inside a plex. Therefore you were irrelevant and not worth my time. On the other hand, someone else few jumps out was capturing a plex so I destroyed his ship and capsule.
Also, to quote a PERVS member, Qcats does not even visit a liquor store without multiple tracking disruptors so why go into a fight with disadvantage?
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
Oh that's fine, I went and closed a few minors after you put your tail between your legs and ran.
Half the Caldari defensive plexers don't even visit a liquor store without multiple warp core stabilizers, so why bother attempting to fight?
Because we can, we do, and we're damn good at it. Take that recent fight in Fliet...outnumbered in both firepower and ECM. We forced you to engage after 20 minutes of you hiding behind a regional gate, and got at least 18 kills and only four losses. Then that fight in YOUR highsec (Onnamon). You turned tail and ran home and left a Ferox as agression bait. We jumped after you and brought it on your home turf, yet you still ran. Sure, we lost ships, but we managed to kill more than we lost even with the Navy shooting us.
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2009.08.11 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Havegooda Waah! I am awesome, damn it, believe it, waah!
Like I would give a flying s..t about blob fights which ultimately do not matter on strategical level....
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
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Havegooda
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.11 19:36:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Originally by: Havegooda Waah! I am awesome, damn it, believe it, waah!
Like I would give a flying s..t about blob fights which ultimately do not matter on strategical level....
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
Then why do you fight for the Caldari? That's all they do. We're forced to bring more numbers (yet still less than them...) when they pull that stuff. Honestly, if you were THAT into plexing, you'd join the Gallente and get some LP/standings with Apoc 1.5.
I'd say join up with Qcats and join our plexing roams, but then it'd be harder to kill you...those sec status hits make me look bad.
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2009.08.11 19:49:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Havegooda Honestly, if you were THAT into plexing, you'd join the Gallente and get some LP/standings with Apoc 1.5.
You really dont seem to understand why we conquered that space then do you? Well, ask Genstar. We explained it all to them.....
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
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Havegooda
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.11 19:57:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Originally by: Havegooda Honestly, if you were THAT into plexing, you'd join the Gallente and get some LP/standings with Apoc 1.5.
You really dont seem to understand why we conquered that space then do you? Well, ask Genstar. We explained it all to them.....
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
No, not really, and honestly I don't really care. I'm here for teh pew pew wif mah lazerz. If plexing gets me fights, I'll plex (hell, I plex anyway...). Don't really see what the problem is...
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.11 21:00:00 -
[110]
Edited by: chatgris on 11/08/2009 21:02:30
Originally by: Damar Rocarion Also, to quote a PERVS member, Qcats does not even visit a liquor store without multiple tracking disruptors so why go into a fight with disadvantage?
LOL. This statement makes me proud :)
As I wasn't in that fight at the time, I've refrained from posting in this thread (though was listening in to fleet comms for it). But come on, a valid tactic to try and get some reasonable pvp in a plex (get all aggro on one person), causing you to think it was on purpose (and before you started emoraging, we didn't even know about it), is a little bit.. childish? You should really get your spies up to snuff. The current situation isn't "oh look it's a plex, lets take it and analyze it and go to Sisi and plex some more to figure out the mechanics". It generally falls within these two cases:
a) I've found a plex in system X. General Reaction: *yawn*/ahh, I better go to sleep I have work in the morning (I've seen half the corp log off within 3 minutes after someone mentioned taking a plex instead of roaming).
b) I've found a plex with Damar/one of damars alts in it. General Reaction: OOH, a fight! OMW./ aww the alt is just wcs tell me if someone actually comes looking for a fight.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.08.11 21:17:00 -
[111]
Anyone actually going in discussion with the space exploiters and forum tards united?
They are the ones using the NPC exploits in highsec after all, and conduct harassment, slander, and other questionable behaviour in game.
Don't take them serious, they're just fail in real life and think they're special if they make up for it by running several EVE accounts off their unemployment allotments. ---
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Unfamed II
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.11 21:26:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Anyone actually going in discussion with the space exploiters and forum tards united?
They are the ones using the NPC exploits in highsec after all, and conduct harassment, slander, and other questionable behaviour in game.
Don't take them serious, they're just fail in real life and think they're special if they make up for it by running several EVE accounts off their unemployment allotments.
quoted for great justice
also, giggles
Originally by: Sandslinger of CA
So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
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Unfamed II
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.11 21:27:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Unfamed II
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Anyone actually going in discussion with the space exploiters and forum tards united?
They are the ones using the NPC exploits in highsec after all, and conduct harassment, slander, and other questionable behaviour in game.
Don't take them serious, they're just fail in real life and think they're special if they make up for it by running several EVE accounts off their unemployment allotments.
quoted for great justice
also, giggles
im so proud of us now that i had to quote myself just to get a more permanent copy of ankh poast.
Originally by: Sandslinger of CA
So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.11 21:37:00 -
[114]
Originally by: chatgris Edited by: chatgris on 11/08/2009 21:02:30
Originally by: Damar Rocarion Also, to quote a PERVS member, Qcats does not even visit a liquor store without multiple tracking disruptors so why go into a fight with disadvantage?
LOL. This statement makes me proud :)
As I wasn't in that fight at the time, I've refrained from posting in this thread (though was listening in to fleet comms for it). But come on, a valid tactic to try and get some reasonable pvp in a plex (get all aggro on one person), causing you to think it was on purpose (and before you started emoraging, we didn't even know about it), is a little bit.. childish? You should really get your spies up to snuff. The current situation isn't "oh look it's a plex, lets take it and analyze it and go to Sisi and plex some more to figure out the mechanics". It generally falls within these two cases:
a) I've found a plex in system X. General Reaction: *yawn*/ahh, I better go to sleep I have work in the morning (I've seen half the corp log off within 3 minutes after someone mentioned taking a plex instead of roaming).
b) I've found a plex with Damar/one of damars alts in it. General Reaction: OOH, a fight! OMW./ aww the alt is just wcs tell me if someone actually comes looking for a fight.
Truth is that one of the gallente players did wellknown trick to get caldari npc to agro caldari militia in plex. It forced us to warp away from plex, and we lost atleast one caracal to npc before he managed to warp away, no one tackled him. Then we made tactical manouver and rushed through your plex gate gamp and lost more ships as expected. Some of us survived back to in plex and we managed to kill more of you, but finally there was 2 caracals + npc against 15 gallentes with ew ships so there was not much to do.
Gallente killed npc and then we decided to let you take the plex.
Without that npc exploit you would not get that plex.
"EVE Online TERMS OF SERVICE
23. You may not exploit any bug in EVE Online to gain an unfair advantage over other players. You may not communicate the existence of any exploitable bug to others directly or through a public forum. Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website."
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Havegooda
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.11 21:41:00 -
[115]
Edited by: Havegooda on 11/08/2009 21:41:48
Originally by: Bad Messenger Truth is that one of the gallente players did wellknown trick to get caldari npc to agro caldari militia in plex. It forced us to warp away from plex, and we lost atleast one caracal to npc before he managed to warp away, no one tackled him. Then we made tactical manouver and rushed through your plex gate gamp and lost more ships as expected. Some of us survived back to in plex and we managed to kill more of you, but finally there was 2 caracals + npc against 15 gallentes with ew ships so there was not much to do.
Gallente killed npc and then we decided to let you take the plex.
Without that npc exploit you would not get that plex.
"EVE Online TERMS OF SERVICE
23. You may not exploit any bug in EVE Online to gain an unfair advantage over other players. You may not communicate the existence of any exploitable bug to others directly or through a public forum. Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website."
You know, in your effort to uphold the TOS, you broke it. See bold.
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Unfamed II
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.11 21:42:00 -
[116]
Just for you Ankh. With love.
Originally by: Sandslinger of CA
So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
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Intigo
Amarr coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.08.11 21:44:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Anyone actually going in discussion with the space exploiters and forum tards united?
They are the ones using the NPC exploits in highsec after all, and conduct harassment, slander, and other questionable behaviour in game.
Don't take them serious, they're just fail in real life and think they're special if they make up for it by running several EVE accounts off their unemployment allotments.
It's so saddening that some people actually were dumb enough to vote for you in CSM. Not to mention your little sock puppet Erik.
The complete idiocy you display on a daily basis is nothing less of sickening.
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Ronin Reborn
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.08.11 22:23:00 -
[118]
nice pic, cold, but got a chuckle IRL.
There are Gallente who still plex?! Tell them to knock it off. I'm not gonna kick off the whole plexing is or isn't pvp (most forum 'regulars' know wolfy's stance) but it seems pretty obvious to me that plexing, and sadly FW, is an imperfect creation. I don't plex and even I know of at least 3 exploits related to plexing, not to mention standings bugs, FW lag and obvious spys in obvious channels. 0/ meow meow
Running to the forums and whinning about 'zomg hax' is pathetic though. All 4 sides have people who do it. Pretending otherwise is just naive. By all means file a bug report, petition something, but finger pointing on forums is just lol. Hopefully more petitions in the system will make gms and devs pay more attention to FW.
Also, flamming QCATS for flying with TDs when you're sat in a plex full of NPCs with broken ECM...really?
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.11 22:35:00 -
[119]
Edited by: chatgris on 11/08/2009 22:41:52
Originally by: Ronin Reborn Also, flamming QCATS for flying with TDs when you're sat in a plex full of NPCs with broken ECM...really?
Army of WCS alts? Kosher Broken ECM in plexes? Kosher, l2p gallente Tracking disruptors and wait, a few rats shot me? Wah wah flee!
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Asarles
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.11 22:49:00 -
[120]
sh!t happens, get over it or GTFO. nuf said
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2009.08.11 23:53:00 -
[121]
Something that could change these mechanics is to have it so when you are on the defensive securing a plex, hostile rats spawn (i.e, I am Gallente militia and defending inside a Gallente system so Caldari rats spawn) as WELL as the normal rats.
The rats duke it out and also throw you up into the mix. That way you can't just afk/wcs defend plexes. Would be an interesting idea.
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Garr Earthbender
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.12 01:33:00 -
[122]
You know, after reading this I believe I've gathered enough to say that you feel jipped out of a medium plex in nenna. It's understandable if you hardly ever cap plexes or get kicked out of every one you try to cap. But come on man. All this over a single plex? I'd say that you should be overly happy with all the others that you get during the day/night that you play. How many plexs a day is it between all the alt's combined BTW?
I feel jipped when a couple of dudes with nothing but time and ISK on their hands totally nullify the plexing efforts of Gallente who try and plex with regularity. This is to say nothing of the downtime plex spawnfest that happens. I've never been awake during or after downtime, but I hear it's a plex free for all.
I mean, seriously, to be able to sit in a plex without rats shooting you and complaining when you get a decent fight? Wish I could spend my hard spent cash doing that. Quantum Cats
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2009.08.12 04:03:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Garr Earthbender I mean, seriously, to be able to sit in a plex without rats shooting you and complaining when you get a decent fight? Wish I could spend my hard spent cash doing that.
The fight was decent, still is on my perspective (didnt lose my ship, got into 7 killmails with 3 final blows) but the fact remains we likely would have held the field until Amon Dei used the bug to turn npcs on us and we had to warp out and land into your optimal range when we rushed back, as Bad Messenger says.
And do you still wonder why I have no respect for any Gallente?
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2009.08.12 06:00:00 -
[124]
ITT: BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW __________________________________
Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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Pytria Le'Danness
Placid Reborn
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Posted - 2009.08.12 06:30:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Something that could change these mechanics is to have it so when you are on the defensive securing a plex, hostile rats spawn (i.e, I am Gallente militia and defending inside a Gallente system so Caldari rats spawn) as WELL as the normal rats.
The rats duke it out and also throw you up into the mix. That way you can't just afk/wcs defend plexes. Would be an interesting idea.
That would at least make defensive plexing somewhat interesting. The main reason I quit FW was that defensive Gallente plexing was urgently needed yet it was so boring since all I could do was to refresh the scanner every other second. I wasn't having fun any more, and paying $15 a month to bore myself wasn't an appealing idea. I am not sure if opposing NPCs would make things that much better, but at least you'll have something to do and also have the chance of getting a small income from the NPC tags - another issue with defensive plexing.
But overall that will not change anything. Unless CCP does something that evens out the difference in pilot numbers the bigger side will always win - EVE mechanics are simple in that regard. Pilot skill, exploiting or not might affect small scale results, but in the end their effects are evened out statistically.
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.12 07:07:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Garr Earthbender You know, after reading this I believe I've gathered enough to say that you feel jipped out of a medium plex in nenna. It's understandable if you hardly ever cap plexes or get kicked out of every one you try to cap. But come on man. All this over a single plex? I'd say that you should be overly happy with all the others that you get during the day/night that you play. How many plexs a day is it between all the alt's combined BTW?
I feel jipped when a couple of dudes with nothing but time and ISK on their hands totally nullify the plexing efforts of Gallente who try and plex with regularity. This is to say nothing of the downtime plex spawnfest that happens. I've never been awake during or after downtime, but I hear it's a plex free for all.
I mean, seriously, to be able to sit in a plex without rats shooting you and complaining when you get a decent fight? Wish I could spend my hard spent cash doing that.
It would have been decent fight, but no, you had to use bug to win. GG gallente.
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.12 07:32:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Pytria Le'Danness
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Something that could change these mechanics is to have it so when you are on the defensive securing a plex, hostile rats spawn (i.e, I am Gallente militia and defending inside a Gallente system so Caldari rats spawn) as WELL as the normal rats.
The rats duke it out and also throw you up into the mix. That way you can't just afk/wcs defend plexes. Would be an interesting idea.
That would at least make defensive plexing somewhat interesting. The main reason I quit FW was that defensive Gallente plexing was urgently needed yet it was so boring since all I could do was to refresh the scanner every other second. I wasn't having fun any more, and paying $15 a month to bore myself wasn't an appealing idea. I am not sure if opposing NPCs would make things that much better, but at least you'll have something to do and also have the chance of getting a small income from the NPC tags - another issue with defensive plexing.
But overall that will not change anything. Unless CCP does something that evens out the difference in pilot numbers the bigger side will always win - EVE mechanics are simple in that regard. Pilot skill, exploiting or not might affect small scale results, but in the end their effects are evened out statistically.
It is not about numbers. You just need people who want to do some boring job. Amarr has been on top of the things with less numbers than minmatar.
Defence plexing does not need any rats, there is lot people in other militias than gallente who are willing to do defence plexes.
I am happy to income i get from defence plexing, couple billions / month is enough i think. Also i get some pvp.
If you want to achieve something you have to DO something. Capturing all systems was so big job that i think CCP did not think that someone ever will do it.
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2009.08.12 07:42:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Pytria Le'Danness Something that could change these mechanics is to have it so when you are on the defensive securing a plex, hostile rats spawn (i.e, I am Gallente militia and defending inside a Gallente system so Caldari rats spawn) as WELL as the normal rats.
Friendly NPCS are awesome back-up for new people who get their first taste of PVP and that's why I urge the new militia people to boldly go out there and look for plexes because it's a good way to get fights vs. pirates and learn a thing or two.
It's not our problem Gallentes dont have any more defensive plexes.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
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Unfamed II
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.12 07:54:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Anyone actually going in discussion with the space exploiters and forum tards united?
They are the ones using the NPC exploits in highsec after all, and conduct harassment, slander, and other questionable behaviour in game.
Don't take them serious.
Trolling removed. Zymurgist
Yeah, everyone should take *you* seriously. You were among the first ppl who exploited the fact that high enough standings mean you can ignore the npc's in the plexes. All the while being in the CSM, and acting like a game designer. Good luck with that, if you can't even spot obvious flaws in system. But hey I guess it's ok when it works in your favour.
(intigo: eric can't be that bad, no matter how hard he tried, he could not possibly be more clueless than ankh. puppet or not)
Originally by: Sandslinger of CA
So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
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Raimo
Gallente Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.08.12 08:32:00 -
[130]
/me enjoying the popcorn and laughing at Damar and BM who consitently get their ass handed to them in this thread... And they keep digging from under each other just to add insult to the injury! --- WOLFY is recruiting!
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.12 12:34:00 -
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Edited by: Rashmika Clavain on 12/08/2009 12:34:48 I never take them seriously.
My favourite moment was being station camped on my own by half a dozen of them. I went AFK for a dump, came back to local along the lines of:
"oh noes let's run away from the scary Gallente" (as if that would make me undock when I am taking a ****? )
to...
"I R GOING AFK NOW" (yeah cos that works too when I am sat on the throne.)
to...
"You're an exploiter" (presumably for only flushing once?)
I was also amused when they jumped into Nenna recently with a 7 man gang and then smacked the three MDP members in local for not fighting.
I was afk making a brew (the server had just come up), the other guy was in a hauler moving goods and the third MDP chappie was also afk.
They're awesome Removed. Please keep your EVE signature related to your EVE persona and not that of a real life politician. Navigator |
Igloo
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.12 12:54:00 -
[132]
23. You may not exploit any bug in EVE Online to gain an unfair advantage over other players. You may not communicate the existence of any exploitable bug to others directly or through a public forum. Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website.
I too can make random quotes from the TOS--pretty sure this makes me awesome. I would also like to thank our Caldari overlords for taking the time to both identify and spread the knowledge of useful plexing exploits to the Gallente.
Caldari NPC overpowered--C/D?
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2009.08.12 13:21:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Igloo 23.Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website.
Been done numerous time. No effect on matter as CCP likely supports Gallente and lets these bugs continue to exist. Would not really surprise me, as demonstrated by substandard behavior of last Alliance Tournament commentators.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
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Parmenides Elea
Gallente Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.08.12 13:30:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Originally by: Igloo 23.Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website.
Been done numerous time. No effect on matter as CCP likely supports Gallente and lets these bugs continue to exist. Would not really surprise me, as demonstrated by substandard behavior of last Alliance Tournament commentators.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
ROFL!!
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.08.12 15:10:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Parmenides Elea
Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Originally by: Igloo 23.Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website.
Been done numerous time. No effect on matter as CCP likely supports Gallente and lets these bugs continue to exist. Would not really surprise me, as demonstrated by substandard behavior of last Alliance Tournament commentators.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
ROFL!!
Oh god seconding this hahaha.
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.12 15:16:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Parmenides Elea
Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Originally by: Igloo 23.Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website.
Been done numerous time. No effect on matter as CCP likely supports Gallente and lets these bugs continue to exist. Would not really surprise me, as demonstrated by substandard behavior of last Alliance Tournament commentators.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
ROFL!!
BWAHAHA third! I mean, it's not like CCP gave caldari the very best rat support in the game.
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Havegooda
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.12 15:33:00 -
[137]
Originally by: chatgris Edited by: chatgris on 12/08/2009 15:22:43
Originally by: Parmenides Elea
Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Originally by: Igloo 23.Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website.
Been done numerous time. No effect on matter as CCP likely supports Gallente and lets these bugs continue to exist. Would not really surprise me, as demonstrated by substandard behavior of last Alliance Tournament commentators.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
ROFL!!
BWAHAHA third! I mean, it's not like CCP gave caldari the very best rat support in the game. Nor did they cut their enemy off from the biggest market hub in the game.
Fourth! Quit digging such a big hole for yourself Damar.
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Ronin Reborn
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.08.12 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Damar Rocarion Been done numerous time. No effect on matter as CCP likely supports Gallente and lets these bugs continue to exist. Would not really surprise me, as demonstrated by substandard behavior of last Alliance Tournament commentators.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
Right dude. Because letting a bug exist limits one faction to using it. As far as the tourney, most though not all, of the people commentating were not CCP employees. And we were hardly the only 'darling' in the tourney, groups that put up good fights all got talked about.
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.12 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Parmenides Elea
Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Originally by: Igloo 23.Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website.
Been done numerous time. No effect on matter as CCP likely supports Gallente and lets these bugs continue to exist. Would not really surprise me, as demonstrated by substandard behavior of last Alliance Tournament commentators.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
ROFL!!
nth in a Damar lolthread Removed. Please keep your EVE signature related to your EVE persona and not that of a real life politician. Navigator |
Droog 1
Black Rise Inbreds
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Posted - 2009.08.12 16:16:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Originally by: Igloo 23.Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website.
Been done numerous time. No effect on matter as CCP likely supports Gallente and lets these bugs continue to exist. Would not really surprise me, as demonstrated by substandard behavior of last Alliance Tournament commentators.
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Raimo
Gallente Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.08.12 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Raimo /me enjoying the popcorn and laughing at Damar and BM who consitently get their ass handed to them in this thread... And they keep digging from under each other just to add insult to the injury!
It just gets better and better! --- WOLFY is recruiting!
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Pytria Le'Danness
Placid Reborn
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Posted - 2009.08.12 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Messenger It is not about numbers. You just need people who want to do some boring job.
Then do your statistics classes again. 8000 people might not be a big sample size but it's at least big enough to assume that most influences even themselves out statistically. And if 5000 people are on one side and 3000 on the other the chance that someone is willing to do the boring job is higher by the same degree. Without taking baseless accusations about exploiting and whatever into account (I believe both sides have an equal percentage of black sheep, would be surprised if it were otherwise) Caldari will rake in 5/3rds more VPs in the long run than Gallente. The attitude "plexing is beneath us" attitude just sped the process along. On a small scale skill points and ship classes might decide a fight, but this is a strategic scale of 8000 people who fight it out over years. Just think of it that way: if all things were equal, everyone could plex without interruption Caldari had 5000 people earning VPs against Gallente 3000. Or put differently, if everyone would start plexing their ass off Caldari could set 3000 people on the buttons and STILL have 2000 pilots left to chase the 3000 Gallente off their button.
Numbers are EVERYTHING here.
Your dedication and organisation sped the process along and the Gallente attitude made any chance on recovery void, but IMO anyone with a basic grasp of statistics should see that it was pre-destined that Caldari would win that war.
Originally by: Bad Messenger I am happy to income i get from defence plexing, couple billions / month is enough i think. Also i get some pvp.
Yeah, sure. Sitting on a button certainly does that. Nice of CCP to change that after you took the systems, because when I wasted hours on defensive plexing the only thing I got was the occasional loot from a war target - and that was mainly T1 junk.
Originally by: Bad Messenger If you want to achieve something you have to DO something. Capturing all systems was so big job that i think CCP did not think that someone ever will do it.
Yes, I believe that. During SiSi testing before Emp Age was released the devs were asked a few times what would be done concerning the numerical imbalance and the answer was only a virtual shrug and that it would sort itself out somehow.
The time they took to do anything about the total occupation suggests they didn't expect it as well.
But if they didn't plan on that I call CCP stupidly naive. As I said, if all Gallente would suddenly start plexing - with current numbers Caldari can counter that with 3000 of their people and still have 2000 over to disrupt the plexing operation of the 3000 Gallente. So even if there isn't a single PvP kill during that time he number of VPs Caldari gets in the long run must be MASSIVELY bigger.
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Greg6
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Posted - 2009.08.12 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Ronin Reborn ... There are Gallente who still plex?! Tell them to knock it off. I'm not gonna kick off the whole plexing is or isn't pvp (most forum 'regulars' know wolfy's stance) but it seems pretty obvious to me that plexing, and sadly FW, is an imperfect creation. ..?
Show me the perfect creation you're comparing it to?
In short, hell no I won't stop plexing. Plexing is the *only* way in game to get ship balanced fights. It's the *only* way to short circuit the stupid fleet ping pong we play as each side tries to reship up in the face of the other and we spend all night chasing each other up and down the pipe. And taking plexes chaps the hide of some of our opponents, as this thread clearly demonstrates.
If you want to spend your entire PVP time camping the Noruv gate in Tama go to. It's your sub fee after all. But there is no objective reason at all to avoid plexing and the anti-plexing attitude that has permeated the Gall milita has cost us fights, systems, and militia good will, seems to me. For myself, if my opponent wants something, I want to deny them that thing. It seems very clear that the Caldari have demonstrated they want plexes. That's enough for me to want to deny them their desire, but I like to fight so there it is. :)
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Ronin Reborn
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.08.12 17:54:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Greg6 ...it seems pretty obvious to me that plexing, and sadly FW, is an imperfect creation. ..?
Show me the perfect creation you're comparing it to?
Jessica Alba
I don't enjoy plexing, nor do I think it has a point. So I don't do it. Same goes for that 'blob without a purpose' that roams the tama <-> OMS route daily. The reason that I said it's an imperfect system is that I CAN ignore it, and have done so for 1 1/2 years or so. The sov system, while boring and probably fubar'd as well, at least punishes alliances who ignore others staking claims in their space. Faction Warfare seems detached from Eve in general, and plexes seem detached from Faction Warfare. In alliance combat and 0.0 life, things are at least rolled together in a more...cohesive manner.
As for the 'matched' fights in plexes, ie only destroyers or w/e, you're right that is something you'll only get in plexes. Personally I think it's a dumb idea to limit shiptypes, different ships have different roles and bigger =/= better. Not to mention since it's only found in plexes it's not preparing you for any other type of combat in Eve. But if you want arena style combat with NPCs thrown in hop to I guess.
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Greg6
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Posted - 2009.08.12 18:30:00 -
[145]
Can't argue with Jessica Alba being damn near perfect to look at. :)
And I agree, plexing, like everything else in eve, is a matter of taste. As a beginner in eve I very much appreciate a space where I can learn PVP in ship balanced fights as opposed to being insta popped in my T1 dessie by the HAC wt we bump into in a mixed gang. But again, that's just a matter of taste. (For that matter, where else but plexes do sniper fit dessies really come in useful?)
Everyone has a right to their own preferences and to spend their time as they see fit. I just get reactive when I see someone confusing those preferences with any kind of objective truth about plexing. It isn't pointless at all. It just isn't to everyone's taste. But nor is station/docking games, gate camping, POS shooting, mining, or any other part of the game.
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Ronin Reborn
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.08.12 18:43:00 -
[146]
Destroyers aren't totally useless. Good for anti-frig but yeah, kind of a limited role.
However, for FW, go roam lower security caldari highsec in a thrasher or catalyst and you can get a suprising amount of kills. Quick enough to align before navy gets you, good alpha for it's size.
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Val Erian
Gallente Azure Horizon Federate Militia
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Posted - 2009.08.12 20:01:00 -
[147]
Edited by: Val Erian on 12/08/2009 20:02:54 oops...
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waruiushiro
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.08.12 23:41:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Ronin Reborn Destroyers aren't totally useless. Good for anti-frig but yeah, kind of a limited role.
However, for FW, go roam lower security caldari highsec in a thrasher or catalyst and you can get a suprising amount of kills. Quick enough to align before navy gets you, good alpha for it's size.
Yes indeed... though a certain unnamed someone does a pretty damn good job of killing in highsec with a Taranis
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Mortant Neros
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Posted - 2009.08.16 09:36:00 -
[149]
Obviously the MDP fails...
http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=4005145 http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=4005398 http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=4005652 http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=4005956
As you can see, all in the same day... looks like the MDP isnt working out huh?
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.16 11:05:00 -
[150]
Nice reports you have there.
But Gallente has not manage to take a single system back.
And you are still losing active members.
And it does not seem to go always so well http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=4006124
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Mortant Neros
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Posted - 2009.08.16 11:28:00 -
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hey fool, the difference with that battle being that after we had beaten back the caldari militia...fced by you i believe...4 times, we kinda got jumped by some pirates when we werent prepared because we were laughing so hard. I love that the evidence you provide is not evidence of caldari winning in pvp... says it all :)
love u bm, but you need to chill out bro
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Rulkez
Gentlemen Bastards
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Posted - 2009.08.16 11:40:00 -
[152]
Edited by: Rulkez on 16/08/2009 11:40:23 Nice to see a post Iva started to see how Gallente FW was turned into a 2nd rate COAD *****fest
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.16 11:41:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Bad Messenger And it does not seem to go always so well http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=4006124
Of course it doesn't. But if we just engaged in fights we always knew we would win at the start well... We wouldn't get to fight as much and that would just be boring!
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Unfamed II
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.16 12:20:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Mortant Neros Obviously the MDP fails...
http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=4005145 http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=4005398 http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=4005652 http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=4005956
As you can see, all in the same day... looks like the MDP isnt working out huh?
Gotta love your performance in those fight, represting the Republic Military School. Yet again one of those who are scared to post with their mains, got something to hide? Perhaps your awesome kb record. Also a testament to your wits is claiming bm fcing anything.
Originally by: Sandslinger of CA
So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
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Ratchman
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Posted - 2009.08.18 09:25:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Messenger No matter what you say it seems that you do not know anything about fw. All you say is that Gallente kills caldari more than caldari kills gallente. Blobs do not have much role on actual fw or killing people in tama is just waste of ammo. Systems flipped no matter how many you killed in tama.
Caldari won because of better tactics. We had different corporations who did different things and we had general militia, those all had their role and they all managed to keep it up. We managed to co-operate on some levels. There was some important people like Brigadier General Damar Rocarion who was the Glue beetween different fleets and many others who made it possible.
Caldari lost lot of ships in important plexes, but those all were worth of it. General militia lost their ships on blob fights, but they just keep majority of gallente militia busy while plexers took systems. There was lot of pvp in plexes, mostly caldari had less numbers in those fights, but still we won.
I may seem to be afk sometimes, but i am just busy while playing with my spy alts
Sadly, it seems you are still convinced that the war is over. You may perceive plexing as the ONLY thing in factional warfare, but it only serves to promote PvP, and nothing else. If one side wins, then the game is over. And yet, you are still in militia, trolling the forums and shouting how fantastic you are. If you are still here, then it can't be over, and you can't have 'won'. If you still plex every day to prevent the Gallente getting a foothold, then you must still realise that it is not over.
And dominating plex space. It's a piece of **** for a militia that has double the number of people. Crowing about your achievements in FW is like walking down a small hill and claiming you ran a marathon.
Doing nothing because you're busy with spy alts? How much time can you spend watching enemy militia channels, Bad? It must be dull as anything just watching, rather than doing. Most people with spy alts actually do something with their main.
Get over your own ego and stop trolling. All it does is make you look a fool. People who spend so much time goading other people from behind a shield of anonyminity are just people who would like nothing better than to inflict misery on people in the real world, but fear the consequences of their actions, so they hide behind avatars, safe in the knowledge that they don't have to relate with the people they are insulting. Trolling is the bravado of the insecure.
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2009.08.18 09:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ratchman Doing nothing because you're busy with spy alts? How much time can you spend watching enemy militia channels, Bad? It must be dull as anything just watching, rather than doing. Most people with spy alts actually do something with their main.
Actually, BM has mentioned to me that getting pvp with main is hard because people tend to run away. So when playing with alts, he gets more of it.
Also, BM is posting with main here, unlike say Droog1. Where is he, or me, hiding behind anonymity?
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Ratchman
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Posted - 2009.08.18 09:52:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Originally by: Droog 1 Caldari militia is sooo predictable. The infighting and arguments are reaching meltdown point.
Only meltdown I see is last remaining shreds of Gallente dignity. After all, the "we conquer back all space" is mainly achieved by exploiting the timers with CCP's refusal to fix a simple thing like that.
For example, just today I saw two mwd executioners trying to bug the plex timers in Placid region. But no matter, contested system means my alts farm me more ISK. Something Genstar members were not willing to believe in Anchauttes local today.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
I had to laugh at this.
Damar, you have to be one of the biggest exploiters in the whole of FW. I've seen you several times with you and your alts exploiting the cloak plex and timer not stopping bugs, and plenty of other people have seen you doing this as well.
Not content with a massive advantage, there are those in the Caldari who seek to exploit every last possible issue. I'm not saying that there aren't people in the Gallente doing this, but it's rather hypocritical to accuse other people of doing something that you do yourself.
The irony of this is that the plexing issue turns into a house of cards. If circumstances change, and Gallente take back a lot of territory, Caldari confidence will just evaporate again, just as it did before they switched their focus from PvP to plexing. |
Unfamed II
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.18 09:57:00 -
[158]
Originally by: Ratchman
Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Originally by: Droog 1 Caldari militia is sooo predictable. The infighting and arguments are reaching meltdown point.
Only meltdown I see is last remaining shreds of Gallente dignity. After all, the "we conquer back all space" is mainly achieved by exploiting the timers with CCP's refusal to fix a simple thing like that.
For example, just today I saw two mwd executioners trying to bug the plex timers in Placid region. But no matter, contested system means my alts farm me more ISK. Something Genstar members were not willing to believe in Anchauttes local today.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
I had to laugh at this.
Damar, you have to be one of the biggest exploiters in the whole of FW. I've seen you several times with you and your alts exploiting the cloak plex and timer not stopping bugs, and plenty of other people have seen you doing this as well.
Not content with a massive advantage, there are those in the Caldari who seek to exploit every last possible issue. I'm not saying that there aren't people in the Gallente doing this, but it's rather hypocritical to accuse other people of doing something that you do yourself.
The irony of this is that the plexing issue turns into a house of cards. If circumstances change, and Gallente take back a lot of territory, Caldari confidence will just evaporate again, just as it did before they switched their focus from PvP to plexing.
Surely you have recorded such acts, if not for anything else, but for your seemingly endless rage against Damar? Pending proof. |
Ratchman
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:06:00 -
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Originally by: Val Erian lol.....major whinage.
You guys seem to think that everyone has the same level of knowledge about the plexs that you do.
You have to remeber that most people in FW do not spend 8-12 hours a day 7 days a week running 2-3 accounts of plexing alts and thus dont know the ins and outs of every bug. Most would consider that a bit RL pathetic, but its effective in game.
So what should this guy have done? warp out of the plex then come back in for you to pop him at the warp in? He cant stay in plex and wait for re inforcements and try and keep aggro
I have to agree with you here, Val. I see nothing of an exploit here, and if there was, the only reason Damar and Bad are whining about it is that they don't know what it is so they can't use it.
Keep petitioning it, Damar, see how much success you get on this issue. I'm suspecting very little will come of it.
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Tosi
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:14:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Val Erian You have to remeber that most people in FW do not spend 8-12 hours a day 7 days a week running 2-3 accounts of plexing alts
lol you are so wrong. That's more like 10 accounts of plexing alts 14-18 hours a day
Originally by: Ratchman
Damar and Bad are whining
if you plexed 140-180 hours a day i'm sure you would be tired too and started whining.
But fact is that caldari couldn't keep systems if it wasn't these alts defending it ;P --- BM facts. -Bad Messenger doesn't actually write on forums, the words assemble themselves out of fear. -When God said "Let there be light" Bad Messenger said "Say please." -If you disagree wit |
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Ratchman
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: Unfamed II Surely you have recorded such acts, if not for anything else, but for your seemingly endless rage against Damar? Pending proof.
Didn't feel it important enough to record every last detail. I don't store everything with the intention of having to prove / disprove every last comment.
Besides, I notice that none of yourselves is offering anything close to the proof in regards to Gallente exploits, so doesn't that make things equal? If you want evidence, perhaps you should offer some of your own first.
As for endless anger, if I am suffering from a crippling fury, then you must be suffering from it to, judging by the number of posts, and the fact that you cannot leave any issue untouched.
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ratchman Besides, I notice that none of yourselves is offering anything close to the proof in regards to Gallente exploits, so doesn't that make things equal? If you want evidence, perhaps you should offer some of your own first.
Strange, I believe Unfamed has posted several pictures of bugged timers, cloakers warping off. I myself linked the killmail where friendly ship took 78% of it's damage from Caldari militia npc.
What have you posted? Innuendo and hearsay.
Also, we use alts simply because expendable and untrained alts bring us billions of isk. There is a method to this "madness" and it's well thought out.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:34:00 -
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Edited by: Rashmika Clavain on 18/08/2009 10:37:52
Originally by: Damar Rocarion I myself linked the killmail where friendly ship took 78% of it's damage from Caldari militia npc.
You cannot knock their good taste though, can you?
EDIT: posting that pirate fight result against the Gallente fleet as an example of how lame the Gallente are at PVP after after the same Gallente fleet spanked THREE of your fleets shows how reliable you are at being open and honest
Unless you're trying to say that you're worse at PVP... as the "lame" Gallente stuffed you three times that night Removed. Please keep your EVE signature related to your EVE persona and not that of a real life politician. Navigator |
Ratchman
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:51:00 -
[164]
Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Originally by: Ratchman Besides, I notice that none of yourselves is offering anything close to the proof in regards to Gallente exploits, so doesn't that make things equal? If you want evidence, perhaps you should offer some of your own first.
Strange, I believe Unfamed has posted several pictures of bugged timers, cloakers warping off. I myself linked the killmail where friendly ship took 78% of it's damage from Caldari militia npc.
What have you posted? Innuendo and hearsay.
Also, we use alts simply because expendable and untrained alts bring us billions of isk. There is a method to this "madness" and it's well thought out.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
I have to admit that I do lack proof, because I don't play the game with a massive chip on my shoulder, looking for the first sign of enemy cheating so I can record it on FRAPS and screenshots. Usually, by the time I've thought about it, the moment is over. Hearsay it may be, but no different to what you have to offer.
That KM hardly constitutes 'proof'. All it shows is that Caldari NPC shot Caldari militia. And guess what, they do that when you shoot your own NPCs as well. Hardly conclusive. If the bug existed, it would be being used by others as well.
And as I said earlier, I'm not denying that Gallente pilots don't use the exploits, but don't place yourself as holier than thou, because it's a fallacy. All 4 militias have people who use the exploits, and that's the truth of it.
I mentioned the house of cards earlier, and that was before I read the part about the Nennamaila incident. One incident is enough to light the touchpaper, despite the fact that Caldari own all of the space. This demonstrates just how fragile that bravado they flaunt is.
Still, Damar, if you think I'm being unfair to you, why don't you report me, or petition it?
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:57:00 -
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Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 18/08/2009 10:57:42
Originally by: Ratchman I mentioned the house of cards earlier, and that was before I read the part about the Nennamaila incident. One incident is enough to light the touchpaper, despite the fact that Caldari own all of the space. This demonstrates just how fragile that bravado they flaunt is.
Still, Damar, if you think I'm being unfair to you, why don't you report me, or petition it?
Nennamaila was decontested this morning, not been online for few hours though. Your point is what?
The Gallentes purposefully launching Caldari npcs against Caldari militia has occurred to me three times and I think this is the first time we have brought it to forums, mainly to show how pathetic you are when even in 5 vs 20 situation, you can only win by using a well known bug (and dont try to say "we dont know about it" when only "militia 2" people have been the one doing it.) You can of course go hump the "he shot his own ships" argument, even though that person carried exactly 0 FoF missiles in cargo hold.
Also, why petition you? You have not used npc bug personally. Amon Dei was the one in Nennamaila.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
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Annie Anomie
Gallente Aenigmata
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:45:00 -
[166]
Damar watch out for that NPC aggro :(
They still didn't answer my petition about it :(
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.18 13:43:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Ratchman
I have to agree with you here, Val. I see nothing of an exploit here, and if there was, the only reason Damar and Bad are whining about it is that they don't know what it is so they can't use it.
You are at right and you are at wrong.
We know how to use it. Yes we can not use it , BECAUSE THERE IS NO MORE GALLENTE NPC !
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Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus
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Posted - 2009.08.18 14:47:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Ronin Reborn
I'll finally get to shoot you, something only standings was stopping me from doing before.
Why don't you wardec them? During interimo time in Gallente FW we decced people that annoyed us in militia chat. No standing loss and plenty of fun (but difficult to setup overview). -- 081014 : emoragequit, char transfered to a friend, 090317 : back to original owner blog |
Mortant Neros
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Posted - 2009.08.19 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: Damar Rocarion Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 18/08/2009 10:57:42
Nennamaila was decontested this morning
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
Only you care, we are quite happy kicking your asses in pvp. To win at "sitting in deadspace doing nothing" is no victory at all, especially when you have double the number of people to do it. There is plenty of people in the squid militia that know what fw is supposed to be about, fun pvp, get over yourself damar.
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Jin Gle
Asgardreia
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:45:00 -
[170]
Wait, why did they have to decontest nenna if the war is over?
lol rp caldari
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Droog 1
Black Rise Inbreds
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Posted - 2009.08.19 11:21:00 -
[171]
BM and his pet are funny. They both seem really angry and serious about a game mechanic which they think is a bug. I've seen no response from CCP about this 'bug' so can only assume that it is working as intended. Adapt or die blah blah blah.
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2009.08.19 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Mortant Neros Only you care, we are quite happy kicking your asses in pvp.
Yep, using bugs in plexes to win when skill fails. Or trying to play "fair fight" card like recently in Akidagi and saying "we bring 3 vs 3" while I had eyes (spies you know) to see what kind of numbers were waiting in Nennamaila. Naturally we didnt go for it, took plex, killed wt rifter inside and then lolled at insults hurled at me by Bhrahmin because I refused to step into their blatant trap.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
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Mortant Neros
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Posted - 2009.08.19 14:10:00 -
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lol plexing isnt skilful, if you think that it's obviously why you fail so bad in pvp ;)
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Zach Donnell
Ghost-Busters
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Posted - 2009.08.19 15:33:00 -
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hah bet the OP never expected 6 pages of bull****.
This thread demonstrates the primary reason we left the gallente/caldari side for the amarr/minmatar it just became completely ******ed.
I do have a question for Damar's lot though. When he first told me that he was making billions plex'ing I laughed, it wasn't long after though that I saw a possible answer, and took advantage of it myself Caldari COSMOS Agents reward about 2bil+, but you can only run through them once, unless of course... you bring in alt after alt thats farmed faction standings needed to do them. So is this what you guys are doing? (I know I am )
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Endless eRage
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:45:00 -
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I think its really cool that so many people are going over to the minnies, more juicy targets for me! That why I went over to the amarr! If i should pod you, remeber its all in good fun! I'll still love you in the morning! Posting Alt, flame away!
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2009.08.20 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Zach Donnell So is this what you guys are doing? (I know I am )
You might be on to something, or not, who knows
Well, shake that moneymaker so to speak....
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.22 06:00:00 -
[177]
Originally by: Mortant Neros lol plexing isnt skilful, if you think that it's obviously why you fail so bad in pvp ;)
People like you make me laugh every time, keep commenting more.
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Eelis Kiy
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.22 08:42:00 -
[178]
I love FW. So much hate though. You all need to kiss and make up. I'll take the screenies.
To the OP. Best to make your own mind up
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Unfamed II
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.22 11:25:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Eelis Kiy I love FW. So much hate though. You all need to kiss and make up. I'll take the screenies.
To the OP. Best to make your own mind up
Nah, no hate. I love the isk sink ccp calls fw.
Originally by: Sandslinger of CA
So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
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Greg6
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Posted - 2009.08.22 16:14:00 -
[180]
Originally by: Mortant Neros lol plexing isnt skilful, if you think that it's obviously why you fail so bad in pvp ;)
Actually yes it is, but the religious believe that it isn't is part of why us Gals have lost the war. And yes, when we lost our last system we lost the war, at least as much as it is possible for anyone to say they had won or lost a game/conflict that lacked clear victory conditions. But, more importantly than that, by losing the last system, by religiously disdaining plexing, we have significantly lost opportunities for fighting.
Taking a plex requires an application of strategy beyond the common, "who jumps into who," dance of gate battles. It gives each side something to fight for, reducing the frequency of the ping pong game as each side reships to try to out hull the other. And the addition of NPCs allows smaller forces to engage larger ones without certain death.
Now you may not like plexing. That's cool. But to confuse your own personal tastes with the objective state of plexing is silly. In fact, taking plexes requires more skill, dedication, and teamwork than the standard roam and pounce does. For myself, sitting in one system and looking for wts that don't show over an hour, say, is no more boring that roaming for an hour and not finding any wts. But that's subjective, I agree. If plexing bores you, that's great. Own it and know it bores you because of you, not because of it.
The first time you jump into a plex the 22nd was holding you'd learn very quickly the role of skill in PVP in plexing. :)
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Ronin Reborn
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.08.22 19:07:00 -
[181]
Maybe if the vast majority of plexes were't done in trash fit t1 frigs and dessies it would be worth bouncing them in a plex but as it is no thanks. If CCP had made them need the heavier ships in the heavier plexes instead of more speed frigs and I might have cared. Considering the size restrictions on gates, and the fact that they drop you out of disruptor range from the button it's pretty much impossible to catch a target who's not a twit. And you're already spotting them rats.
I won't say that it doesn't take dedication as it's a massive time sink. Saying it takes skill to orbit a beacon while evading npcs or sitting on a freaking button doing nothing is another thing entirely. As for PVP in plexes, well thats about as close to consentual PVP as there is in EVE.
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Greg6
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Posted - 2009.08.25 15:58:00 -
[182]
Heh. How do you know when you're gotten to your opponent? When they change their behavior in response to you. And, boy, have Damar and his kids changed.
These past few days I've noticed that the had adjusted their pattern. It used to be that if we found one of them, or their alts, in a plex they'd run away and reship to try to fight us for the plex. Not anymore, recently they've just been running away. I hadn't really understood it until a conversation in local one system over while we were running another plex clued me in. It seems we've disturbed Damar enough that he's decided to try the third grade cold shoulder treatment on us. It seems he's given "standing orders," to folk who take orders from him for his people to stop fighting Q-cats for plexes.
"Juan Rayo > [06:30:13] Nicole Zierra > The stigma is on you, Qcats dont deserve full attention"
LOL! I LOVE IT! There isn't a system under Gall control. But our very efforts to get one back have so ****ed him off that he's whining about imaginary exploits and now trying to take his ball and bat and go home! From fighting hard for every known system to giving up completely all because we got under his skin. That's beautiful. It's like Ali whipping Foreman with his mind and the rope-a-dope. "Come on, Damar, I'm disappointed. I thought you could hit hard?" It's like the bully finally coming to an end of their ability to bully anyone and then declaring that they are the only enlightened pacifist in the room!
Hee hee. Thanks for demonstrating that truism, Damar. When we bother you this much, when you resort to such silly tactics, I know we are winning. Unless you've just become too afraid to fight Q-cats? Nah, that couldn't be it....
I'm still giggling....
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2009.08.25 17:17:00 -
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Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 25/08/2009 17:28:32 Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 25/08/2009 17:27:22
Originally by: Greg6 Unless you've just become too afraid to fight Q-cats? Nah, that couldn't be it....
We dont fight you in plexes because you just use the npc exploit. Go and say what you will, Amon Dei deliberately used the npc bug to have friendly npcs turn on our ships in Nennamaila.
As for fighting, if you insist on being stupid, I do kill you. Like yesterday. Passed couple of your frigs and gate, said you are not worth my ammo. So, you give chase with an ever growing blow so I decide to stop, give you a lesson and keep on going.
Of course the priceless bit here is that you had 20 strong gang coming from other direction and you still failed to catch me. I fight those gallentes who dont resort to exploits and give proper fights. Qcats have demonstrated theiy are not worth it.
Also, "standing order" was to be spread so you would do exactly this. Come whine on forums. Score one more for Caldari. Because, you did let it get under your skin. There has never been a militia order for this.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
P.S: Missing one thrasher from related kills due to patch bug.
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Greg6
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Posted - 2009.08.25 17:55:00 -
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Ah, Damar, I think you are a bit confused. Entertainingly so, even. :)
Those links don't go to any example of you fighting or killing me, nor other Q-cats. And a giggle at your silliness isn't the same as a whine. Furthermore, I'm not choking on your reply, despite your kind wishes that I do so in that private chat in game. Unless you count choking on laughter, that I am doing.
So keep on running from me and us Q-cat exploiters. Be assured we'll take advantage of every game mechanic we can to kick your ass when we can. And thanks for being such a fun opponent, the emo rages and foolishness on forum make it so much more fun.
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2009.08.25 18:39:00 -
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Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 25/08/2009 18:42:43
Originally by: Greg6 Those links don't go to any example of you fighting or killing me, nor other Q-cats.
Well, here is the Nennamaila fight how it occurred before you managed to launch the exploit. Naturally the Ranis does not show your quality because your blob was unable to stop it dying.
PERVS dont want non-corpies cluttering their killboard but up to launching exploit you had killed Istvan Erbas and Adar0 and remaining caracals were happy enough to pound your ships at range and control the timer.
Does not of course show other 15 odd ships you had because....well...you failed to kill either me or BM
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
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Sebastien LaForge
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.25 19:33:00 -
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Edited by: Sebastien LaForge on 25/08/2009 19:34:00 I love these threads because you just *know* someone is lying or trying to save their battered ego through examples of exceptions to the opponents argument.
also hilarious when you get two jam cycles on a frig with a single light ECM drone and proceed to turn his ship into swiss cheese XD
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.25 19:36:00 -
[187]
Damar's standing orders are probably in place because well, he knows we'll get bored if we don't get any fights. TBH, it's probably a winning strategy.
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Sebastien LaForge
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.25 19:41:00 -
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Edited by: Sebastien LaForge on 25/08/2009 19:41:18
Originally by: chatgris Damar's standing orders are probably in place because well, he knows we'll get bored if we don't get any fights. TBH, it's probably a winning strategy.
It is, since god knows if they keep running from us for an hour, we'll eventually say **** it and jump our RR BS gang into their highsec and fight them there! I may have lost a battleship, but at least I enjoyed myself. :)
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2009.08.25 19:55:00 -
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Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 25/08/2009 19:55:54
Originally by: Sebastien LaForge It is, since god knows if they keep running from us for an hour, we'll eventually say **** it
Worked well enough this morning. Frustrated enemy makes mistakes and lands smack down to our fleet without scouting and gets badly boned.
Meanwhile, I was happily fighting over plexes few jumps out with Genstar, proper non-exploiters, and having a good chat in local.
Also, if your exploit is non-existent, i've yet to heard good explanation why one of the Caldari ships lost in Nennamaila took 78% of damage from caldari npcs. That and nothing else is the issue. "Militia2" even boasts here that they will use every exploit in the book. So tell me again, is there a reason I should bother with lamers like you?
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
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Sebastien LaForge
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.25 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Damar Rocarion So tell me again, is there a reason I should bother with lamers like you?
Wouldn't I have to tell you once, in order to then tell you again? Don't really give a **** about you, and I don't expect the same in return.
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Greg6
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Posted - 2009.08.25 20:30:00 -
[191]
Originally by: chatgris Damar's standing orders are probably in place because well, he knows we'll get bored if we don't get any fights. TBH, it's probably a winning strategy.
Could be or it could be just what he says. He believes we intentionally got the rats in that plex to attack him and it got his panties in a wad. For myself I'm betting on the latter, given the invective he's spouting.
Damar there is no way to prove to you that we didn't even know it was possible to do so before that fight and like Seb, I don't care enough to try. Run or fight, what you do really doesn't matter to me beyond entertainment value. :)
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.25 22:45:00 -
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Edited by: chatgris on 25/08/2009 22:50:23 Edited by: chatgris on 25/08/2009 22:45:33
Originally by: Greg6
Originally by: chatgris Damar's standing orders are probably in place because well, he knows we'll get bored if we don't get any fights. TBH, it's probably a winning strategy.
Could be or it could be just what he says. He believes we intentionally got the rats in that plex to attack him and it got his panties in a wad. For myself I'm betting on the latter, given the invective he's spouting.
Damar there is no way to prove to you that we didn't even know it was possible to do so before that fight and like Seb, I don't care enough to try. Run or fight, what you do really doesn't matter to me beyond entertainment value. :)
This ^^. I wonder if this is going to be /thread? I can't believe it's still going.
Finally
Originally by: Damar Rocarion We dont fight you in plexes because you just use the npc exploit.
For the sake of argument, lets say we do intentionally trigger the bug (which no-one I know does, see our general reply of "we didn't even know it existed", and we don't care enough to test further).
When Gallente whined about caldari NPC's, pervs posted a little quote along the lines of "Confirming that gallente are afraid of caldari NPC's". It's nothing you haven't been telling the gallente to deal with for a long long time.
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Gabriel Darkefyre
Minmatar Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.25 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Damar Rocarion Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 25/08/2009 18:42:43
Originally by: Greg6 Those links don't go to any example of you fighting or killing me, nor other Q-cats.
Well, here is the Nennamaila fight how it occurred before you managed to launch the exploit. Naturally the Ranis does not show your quality because your blob was unable to stop it dying.
PERVS dont want non-corpies cluttering their killboard but up to launching exploit you had killed Istvan Erbas and Adar0 and remaining caracals were happy enough to pound your ships at range and control the timer.
Does not of course show other 15 odd ships you had because....well...you failed to kill either me or BM
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
And for those who want to see the complete picture.
Strangely, the Kill you keep going on about was the Second one in that fight and was also the ONLY kill in that engagement that had a Caldari NPC on it. Surely if an Exploit was really being used there would have been Multiple Caldari NPC's on every one of those Caldari Lossmails?
Interestingly, I did see a few Caldari Plexers out in Verge Vendor a Couple of days ago. I don't save my Chatlogs so I can't pull it up for people to see, however having one yell in Local that the other shouldn't be shooting the Friendly Rats was definately amusing.
Perhaps, in that case, the Kill in Nenna was less of an Exploit and more of an Inexperienced Caldari Pilot shooting at anything that was Red on his Overview because he hadn't set up his overview to not show Caldari NPC Rats in Plexes? ---------------
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2009.08.26 04:25:00 -
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Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 26/08/2009 04:30:53 Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 26/08/2009 04:26:55
Originally by: Gabriel Darkefyre Perhaps, in that case, the Kill in Nenna was less of an Exploit and more of an Inexperienced Caldari Pilot shooting at anything that was Red on his Overview because he hadn't set up his overview to not show Caldari NPC Rats in Plexes?
Your failure to kill either me or BM of course removes the possibility of proving they also attacked us. Or do you think that with drop of a hat two brigadier generals would start shooting our own npcs*. Or that for some reason we would, outnumbered, remove our only advantage of range and warp back to 0 to be ganked by short range blaster boats?
That was the real effect your exploiting achieved and it's the reason we are still insulting each others in this thread.
Also, as said, anyone coming to die in Nennamaila long after me and BM told militia not to bother, had it coming. They were not in our gang and did not follow advice.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
* Even if friendly had shot npcs while we were inside, the aggro does not switch to those who dont.
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Droog 1
Black Rise Inbreds
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Posted - 2009.08.26 09:47:00 -
[195]
Damar keeps using the word 'exploit' and must have received his official reply from CCP by now. Looks to me like he didn't like the answer he got so has decided to continue calling it an exploit and whine about it here.
The war goes on and Caldari die every day. Poor Damar is just upset because he thinks the war should end and there should be a big red surrender button that disolves the FDU.
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Gabriel Darkefyre
Minmatar Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.26 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Damar Rocarion
That was the real effect your exploiting achieved and it's the reason we are still insulting each others in this thread.
My Exploiting? In all seriousness, this thread was the first I'd even heard of this Bug. It's not a Bug I've ever used, nor is it a Bug I ever intend to use. To be Frank, if we're going to be taking back any systems, then I'd rather that it was done completely within the Intended Mechanics (and not within the Loopholes left in those Mechanics ie This NPC Bug, the Positive Standings thing to prevent NPC's shooting you, the Timers still running when you warp out, etc). Using Exploits, announced or not, to do this would just cheapen those captures, in my eyes at least.
The likes of PERVS, The Cadre, the 22nd and many others got the warzone to the current state through one thing. Sheer Hard Work. Sure, there were people using exploits on both sides, but I'd say most of the guys out there when you took the Warzone did it Legitimately. ---------------
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Jin Gle
Asgardreia
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Posted - 2009.08.26 13:45:00 -
[197]
For someone to be this serious about a failing, broken portion of an online game.. its quite amazing. You would almost think he had nothing else going on in life.
Anyway FW has been fun again lately. We only do corp fleets and we're a small corp. Now that some of the bigger forces have gone or are less active, we've been getting very good fights. I hope this trend will continue and that well see more smaller gangs roaming again. Ive noticed gallente getting some fresh blood and there seem to be some good corps among them.
Any Caldari willing to comment on their side of things? (actual info, no RP, 'the war' or plexing nonsense)
Jin o7
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Unfamed II
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.26 14:18:00 -
[198]
Yeah it's about time to /thread anyways. Let's find something more interesting to smack about. Mexi Can!
Originally by: Sandslinger of CA
So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
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Annie Anomie
Gallente Aenigmata
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Posted - 2009.08.26 16:25:00 -
[199]
lolling at the calamari plexers afraid of Calamari NPCs.
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Somealt Ofmine
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Posted - 2009.08.26 16:35:00 -
[200]
I'm getting ready to come back myself and having read through this I'm a little confused. I thought factional warfare was sort of like 0.0 lite, where, instead of having POS wars you do the plexing thing to gain/lose territory. Gaining territory = winning, losing territory = losing, no?
I understand that you gotta plex, but to me that's a lot like the fact that you gotta put up POSes and maintain them if you want to claim space in 0.0. So what's the deal with claiming to be "winning" based on a k/d ratio? Do I have the wrong idea about FW?
I get that you get to shoot folks without sec hits if you join the militia. You also get to shoot folks without sec hits if you fly out into 0.0, but that's not the same thing as being a factor in 0.0. Am I seeing this wrong?
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Davina Braben
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Posted - 2009.08.26 16:43:00 -
[201]
The difference with 0.0 is you win space to bear in.
FW had no cashflow associated with it. In fact it's generally an ISK sink.
Now they've added LP but it sounds like you'll be able to earn those PVPing so it still doesn't seem like a win.
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.26 18:28:00 -
[202]
Edited by: chatgris on 26/08/2009 18:29:19
Originally by: Davina Braben The difference with 0.0 is you win space to bear in.
FW had no cashflow associated with it. In fact it's generally an ISK sink.
Now they've added LP but it sounds like you'll be able to earn those PVPing so it still doesn't seem like a win.
Actually, the LP added has nothing to do with plexes. The LP is earned with missions and kills, with a multiplier being that the higher ranked the person you kill, the more LP you get. So really, plexing gets you nothing material, unless you play with alts that run plexes for standings and cash in for the one time rewards.
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Somealt Ofmine
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Posted - 2009.08.26 19:44:00 -
[203]
Originally by: Davina Braben The difference with 0.0 is you win space to bear in.
FW had no cashflow associated with it. In fact it's generally an ISK sink.
Now they've added LP but it sounds like you'll be able to earn those PVPing so it still doesn't seem like a win.
Yeah, I really only ever saw FW as a "for fun only" game within the game. But as I understood it the object was still to "conquer" territory for your faction. It would be nice if there were some strong material incentives tied to it.
I haven't played in about a year. At one point weren't they talking about some kind of quasi-sov in low sec like being a governer or viceroy or something? Was that tied to FW somehow?
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente NME1
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Posted - 2009.08.26 23:07:00 -
[204]
Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 26/08/2009 23:09:23
Originally by: Somealt Ofmine I thought factional warfare was sort of like 0.0 lite, where, instead of having POS wars you do the plexing thing to gain/lose territory. Gaining territory = winning, losing territory = losing, no?
Am I seeing this wrong?
Yes, you are. In 0.0 if you lose sovereignty, it affects your access to the space. You lose your cyno jammers and capital building arrays, you lose your outposts, you can't dock and refit anywhere, can't store anything anywhere. Losing sov comes with severe consequences.
In FW, nothing of the sort happens. Gallente are free to dock in any Caldari-occupied system, and can put up POSes like they can in any other low sec system. Losing plexes and allowing occupation to flip to Caldari affected the FDU's ability to operate in Black Rise not one bit.
-- The crazy tree blooms at every moment of liberal ascendancy.
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Somealt Ofmine
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Posted - 2009.08.26 23:25:00 -
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Edited by: Somealt Ofmine on 26/08/2009 23:26:26
Originally by: Guillame Herschel
Yes, you are. In 0.0 if you lose sovereignty, it affects your access to the space. You lose your cyno jammers and capital building arrays, you lose your outposts, you can't dock and refit anywhere, can't store anything anywhere. Losing sov comes with severe consequences.
That's kind of like saying if we're playing poker for chips instead of real money and I take all of yours, you didn't really lose, cause it wasn't real money, though, isn't it? If the objective of the game is to take the other guys chips, and you got all of yours taken, I'm pretty sure you lost.
About the best you can say is that you didn't take the game seriously because there wasn't enough at stake, but still...
If I remember right they debating for a while whether occupancy should effect docking rights, weren't they? I guess that went nowhere?
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EVIL SYNNs
Wrath of Fenris Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.08.26 23:47:00 -
[206]
Originally by: Somealt Ofmine
That's kind of like saying if we're playing poker for chips instead of real money and I take all of yours, you didn't really lose, cause it wasn't real money, though, isn't it? If the objective of the game is to take the other guys chips, and you got all of yours taken, I'm pretty sure you lost.
Yes but once you are out of chips your are meant to leave the table.. However in factional warfare, you can wait and wait and wait till you get a winning hand again.. and OH NO's your back in the game Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.27 02:35:00 -
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Edited by: chatgris on 27/08/2009 02:35:50
Originally by: Somealt Ofmine
That's kind of like saying if we're playing poker for chips instead of real money and I take all of yours, you didn't really lose, cause it wasn't real money, though, isn't it? If the objective of the game is to take the other guys chips, and you got all of yours taken, I'm pretty sure you lost.
I'd attempt a different analogy... It's like being at a party where people are playing poker for chips with no monetary value, and there also being strippers at the party. They deal you a hand, you choose to interact with the strippers instead, and they take your chips by default.
This is written from the perspective of someone who really hates plexing. If it's your cup of tea, I don't wish to belittle it. Apparently for those who have more than one account, it can be a good money-making venture as well.
But back to your analogy... fw has more than just plexing to it. Missions that actually pay good LP now. A fair number of targets who actually joined to pvp instead of deccing some indy corp for fights. (Sure, some joined just for system occupancy as well, but it's still better than deccing random corps in empire). Participation in all parts of fw is currently voluntary, so people make of it what they will, and participate in the parts they enjoy.
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Greg6
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Posted - 2009.08.27 15:29:00 -
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And I'd adjust the analogy yet again. It's as if two opposing football teams attended a poker party. The chips used had some monetary value but Team A said it wasn't enough and so refused to play, in any organized way. Furthermore Team A isn't happy with the kind of cards used, nor the size of the chips themselves. Some folk in Team A would sit at the poker table for a bit, but eventually Team A lost all it's chips. Then, Team B started saying "We won," because they had all the chips and Team A starts saying, "Ah, those chips weren't worth enough to bother with. We don't care that you got 'em all. It's a party after all. We can drink more than Team B and have more fun so we won. And besides, poker is boring."
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Ronin Reborn
Wrath of Fenris Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.08.27 19:52:00 -
[209]
You've got it wrong, it's not like a poker game. It's like a drinking game.
You lose a hand (system) you take a drink (pvp). When someone else has been messing with you all night, and you have the chance, you make them take a drink (pvp). Of course the hands (systems) are just a means to get drunk (pvp) so they mean little in and of themselves. And the whole time people are drinking (pvping) when they don't 'have' to anyways. Like the older kids at the party who are laughing at the people who need a reason to drink (pvp). Everyone ends up drunk (pvp \o/) anyways.
You can't lose FW, you can't 'lose' a drinking game.
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.27 20:23:00 -
[210]
I officially jump off the analogy train. This is getting crazy :)
I'm going back to "it's a sandbox, you can choose to participate in what you want to". Though it's not like this hasn't all been said elsewhere, many many times, far more eloquently, and with far more passion.
* chatgris wanders off to let this thread die, unless something really really juicy comes along
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Kingnuts
Gallente Rat Squad
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Posted - 2009.08.27 20:35:00 -
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I just joined FW (as of less than 24h ago) and before then I knew there were issues between Caldari and Gallente. But this **** is getting ridiculous. Its bordering on personal hate. Its the internet, chill the **** out. Especially you Damar. I just met you today, like 3 hours ago and you came off as a ****. Granted were came to a conclusion, but hey, after reading this you (and most Caldari) blow **** way out of proportion. Have fun reading the following conov: [ 2009.08.27 17:35:28 ] Damar Rocarion > I was under impression gallente militia was not allowed here [ 2009.08.27 17:36:36 ] Shazard > where? [ 2009.08.27 17:38:09 ] Damar Rocarion > This channel [ 2009.08.27 17:38:13 ] Damar Rocarion > Kingnuts [ 2009.08.27 17:39:00 ] Shazard > I am kind a member of Intaki Liberation Front... where else me to be? [ 2009.08.27 17:39:47 ] Shazard > ahhh him? [ 2009.08.27 17:40:09 ] Kingnuts > what about me [ 2009.08.27 17:40:20 ] Kingnuts > i havent done anything wrong [ 2009.08.27 17:40:33 ] Kingnuts > im actualyl trying to get ahold of yourintaki's ceo [ 2009.08.27 17:41:35 ] Kingnuts > intaki's actually [ 2009.08.27 17:43:13 ] Damar Rocarion > To me you represent direct threat to Caldari's space control of Intaki system [ 2009.08.27 17:43:47 ] Kingnuts > afraid im going to take away your plex's? _________________________________________ [ 2009.08.27 17:48:54 ] Damar Rocarion > Pardon my attitude but Gallentes made me what I am [ 2009.08.27 17:49:21 ] Damar Rocarion > I've taken enough accusation and personal attacks that frankly, I do not bother giving much value to your people [ 2009.08.27 17:51:42 ] Kingnuts > wow nice role player [ 2009.08.27 17:51:46 ] Kingnuts > i havent done **** Damn phone. |
Kingnuts
Gallente Rat Squad
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Posted - 2009.08.27 20:36:00 -
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Edited by: Kingnuts on 27/08/2009 20:36:31 [ 2009.08.27 17:55:07 ] Damar Rocarion > The only issue is with him being in Gallente militia [ 2009.08.27 17:55:24 ] Damar Rocarion > Might as well be Khanid for all I care. He is in militia, that is enough [ 2009.08.27 17:55:43 ] Kingnuts > see now thats funny because khanid are amarr and on your side [ 2009.08.27 17:56:18 ] Shazard > ok sort it out by yourselves... me is not judge of any kind... [ 2009.08.27 17:56:26 ] Damar Rocarion > Ethnicity does not matter, uniform does [ 2009.08.27 17:57:21 ] Kingnuts > i guess so does roleplaying to get your jollies off [ 2009.08.27 17:57:51 ] Damar Rocarion > No, I really do despise gallente militia [ 2009.08.27 17:57:55 ] Damar Rocarion > It's not roleplaying [ 2009.08.27 17:58:06 ] Damar Rocarion > Feeling is mutual [ 2009.08.27 17:58:18 ] Kingnuts > how is it mutual, i dont hate you[ 2009.08.27 17:58:30 ] Damar Rocarion > Gallente militia in general does [ 2009.08.27 17:58:34 ] Kingnuts > i just joined and am getting attitude based on OTHERS people past actions [ 2009.08.27 17:58:37 ] Kingnuts > not my own [ 2009.08.27 17:58:48 ] Kingnuts > yeah well grow up a little and realise not every one is a **** [ 2009.08.27 18:00:41 ] Damar Rocarion > I can understand that if you just joined. [ 2009.08.27 18:00:54 ] Kingnuts > which i jsut did lol [ 2009.08.27 18:00:56 ] Damar Rocarion > Soon you will see that FW is a ****hole of alt spies, exploiting, high-sec griefing [ 2009.08.27 18:00:59 ] Kingnuts > as of like 24h ago [ 2009.08.27 18:01:08 ] Kingnuts > im not in fw jsut for the warfare [ 2009.08.27 18:01:16 ] Damar Rocarion > Me neither [ 2009.08.27 18:01:26 ] Damar Rocarion > Havign made billions in less than week [ 2009.08.27 18:01:34 ] Kingnuts > garts? Damn phone. |
Kingnuts
Gallente Rat Squad
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Posted - 2009.08.27 20:37:00 -
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Edited by: Kingnuts on 27/08/2009 20:42:03 CONTINUED FROM THE PREVIOUS PAGE
[ 2009.08.27 18:01:37 ] Damar Rocarion > But you will soon see that casual is far from it [ 2009.08.27 18:01:56 ] Kingnuts > i just joined so i could have some legal targets to shoot and when i play [ 2009.08.27 18:02:03 ] Damar Rocarion > I very much hate fw but if i'd stop, I would be surrendering to likes of Nennamaila people [ 2009.08.27 18:02:08 ] Kingnuts > also have access to a quiet lo sec system with all the agents i want [ 2009.08.27 18:02:11 ] Damar Rocarion > Hell, I hate this game [ 2009.08.27 18:02:20 ] Kingnuts > so stop playing [ 2009.08.27 18:02:36 ] Damar Rocarion > But to stop would mean i'd surrender to Gallente. Wil never happen [ 2009.08.27 18:02:53 ] Kingnuts > so your playing a game to prove a point to people you dont ever know [ 2009.08.27 18:03:08 ] Kingnuts > its not like gallente are going to start plexing as soon as you quit [ 2009.08.27 18:03:19 ] Kingnuts > nobody in gallente gives a **** about plexing [ 2009.08.27 18:03:53 ] Damar Rocarion > Map proves otherwise [ 2009.08.27 18:04:07 ] Damar Rocarion > Hell, the biggest "plexing sucks" people are right now in Aldranette [ 2009.08.27 18:04:14 ] Damar Rocarion > But I wont go and kill them [ 2009.08.27 18:04:29 ] Damar Rocarion > They used exploits so they are not worth spending missiles on. The bastards [ 2009.08.27 18:04:44 ] Kingnuts > explot how
[ 2009.08.27 18:05:03 ] Damar Rocarion > They caused caldari npcs to shoot caldari militia members (he then explains the caldari-caldari shooting)
[ 2009.08.27 18:05:41 ] Damar Rocarion > We will never forgive this to them [ 2009.08.27 18:05:48 ] Kingnuts > more like you cant drop it
BEST PART::[ 2009.08.27 18:05:58 ] Damar Rocarion > I dont care about isk making exploits and such [ 2009.08.27 18:06:04 ] Damar Rocarion > But I cross the line in pvp exploits [ 2009.08.27 18:06:26 ] Kingnuts > thats not telling me how they did it Damn phone. |
Kingnuts
Gallente Rat Squad
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Posted - 2009.08.27 20:42:00 -
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[ 2009.08.27 18:06:55 ] Damar Rocarion > Of course they say "we didnt know about it, you are crazy, etc." [ 2009.08.27 18:07:07 ] Damar Rocarion > Usual defenses [ 2009.08.27 18:07:17 ] Damar Rocarion > They crave pvp, we wont give it to them. [ 2009.08.27 18:07:26 ] Kingnuts > you got the link to prove this? [ 2009.08.27 18:07:33 ] Kingnuts > or you just blowing RP smoke out your ass [ 2009.08.27 18:08:41 ] Damar Rocarion > http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1136352 [ 2009.08.27 18:09:03 ] Damar Rocarion > There is alink there, such as killmail where militia member took 78% damage from own npcs [ 2009.08.27 18:09:44 ] Kingnuts > one question before i read, did the caldari FW members at ANY TIME before the engagement, attack neutrals? [ 2009.08.27 18:10:05 ] Damar Rocarion > When and where? [ 2009.08.27 18:10:15 ] Kingnuts > during this time of exploit [ 2009.08.27 18:10:42 ] Damar Rocarion > Of course not
[ 2009.08.27 18:37:17 ] Damar Rocarion > I even killed a person I once called an ally today [ 2009.08.27 18:37:21 ] Damar Rocarion > He was in his Tengu [ 2009.08.27 18:37:32 ] Damar Rocarion > But he had dared to interfere with one plex, two months ago [ 2009.08.27 18:37:37 ] Damar Rocarion > So we killed his tengu as punishment [ 2009.08.27 18:37:49 ] Damar Rocarion > interfere = went pirate Damn phone. |
Kingnuts
Gallente Rat Squad
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Posted - 2009.08.27 20:47:00 -
[215]
Just met ya Damar, you might hate me for this. Oh well. This **** is ****ing ******ed. CCP fix FW! Replace plexing with pure PvP. Your already on the way there. You'd have a lot better response. Damn phone. |
Im nospy
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Posted - 2009.08.27 20:53:00 -
[216]
My favorite part was when he said that he hates this game, but won't stop because it'd mean giving up to us.
/eats popcorn
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Kingnuts
Gallente Rat Squad
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Posted - 2009.08.27 20:54:00 -
[217]
Edited by: Kingnuts on 27/08/2009 20:58:03
Originally by: Im nospy My favorite part was when he said that he hates this game, but won't stop because it'd mean giving up to us.
/eats popcorn
Mine too. When I finally read this whole thread, it blew my mind.
EDIT: Was just thinking if gallente are claiming they didn't know/realise what they were doing was an exploit and Damar won't believe them just because they are Gallente, does that make him racist? Damn phone. |
Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.27 21:32:00 -
[218]
Funniest part is when you believe everything we say.
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.27 22:08:00 -
[219]
Edited by: chatgris on 27/08/2009 22:12:08 OK, this is really really juicy.
[ 2009.08.27 18:02:03 ] Damar Rocarion > I very much hate fw but if i'd stop, I would be surrendering to likes of Nennamaila people
I'm with you on that being the best quote of the bunch, but you left out one of the funniest parts... "Nennamaila people" LOL
For a close runner up...
[ 2009.08.27 18:07:17 ] Damar Rocarion > They crave pvp, we wont give it to them.
I'd say this sums up most of gallente/caldari plexing "war" :)
Originally by: Bad Messenger Funniest part is when you believe everything we say.
BM... I believe this when it comes to you, Kuoelmon(sp?), unfamed etc. But either Damar is the best troll that's ever lived, or he's seriously got some mental health issues. I used to think the former but lately... been converted to the latter.
Oh yeah, and welcome to the circus that is the gal/cal plexing front Kingnuts :)
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2009.08.27 22:13:00 -
[220]
Originally by: chatgris But either Damar is the best troll that's ever lived, or he's seriously got some mental health issues.
Or perhaps I just simply hate you?
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
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Juan Rayo
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.28 00:43:00 -
[221]
Thread delivers Endurecete cabr=n! |
Kingnuts
Gallente Rat Squad
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Posted - 2009.08.28 01:14:00 -
[222]
Originally by: chatgris Edited by: chatgris on 27/08/2009 22:12:08 OK, this is really really juicy.
(stuff)
I think the most juicy part is this: [ 2009.08.27 18:05:58 ] Damar Rocarion > I dont care about isk making exploits and such [ 2009.08.27 18:06:04 ] Damar Rocarion > But I cross the line in pvp exploits
He's got standards ya know. Damn phone. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.28 02:14:00 -
[223]
Edited by: chatgris on 28/08/2009 02:14:06
Originally by: Kingnuts
Originally by: chatgris Edited by: chatgris on 27/08/2009 22:12:08 OK, this is really really juicy.
(stuff)
(stuff)
I was actually making a reference to an earlier post, notably
Originally by: chatgris * chatgris wanders off to let this thread die, unless something really really juicy comes along
You delivered
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.28 11:07:00 -
[224]
Originally by: Kingnuts
Originally by: chatgris Edited by: chatgris on 27/08/2009 22:12:08 OK, this is really really juicy.
(stuff)
I think the most juicy part is this: [ 2009.08.27 18:05:58 ] Damar Rocarion > I dont care about isk making exploits and such [ 2009.08.27 18:06:04 ] Damar Rocarion > But I cross the line in pvp exploits
He's got standards ya know.
He means that EVE pvp has been clear of hax and exploits, or ccp has fixed those fast. But this kind of exploit in pvp is hard to fix or it is hard to explain to ccp how it occurs so ccp can not fix it. But Gallente want to use these bannable methods to win nothing. So let it be that way, seek pvp and use exploits to win. but we do not want to be part of that plan.
It was your call, so do not blaim Caldari about it.
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Droog 1
Black Rise Inbreds
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Posted - 2009.08.28 12:00:00 -
[225]
Originally by: Bad Messenger bannable methods
Haha. Nobody has been banned. Stop crying like a baby and tell your little pet to stop embarrasing himself, seriously, Damar thinks that CCP are helping the Gallente. Wtf?
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Gallactica
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.28 13:02:00 -
[226]
'Nennamaila' People ftw!
Oh, and to the OP, Gallente FW is awesome - Outnumbered, Outblobbed (Outplexxed ) but still effing great fun.
Nuff said tbh.
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Kingnuts
Gallente Rat Squad
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Posted - 2009.08.28 15:38:00 -
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Edited by: Kingnuts on 28/08/2009 15:40:28
Originally by: Bad Messenger Funniest part is when you believe everything we say.
Its funny you say this then turn around and say this:
Originally by: Bad Messenger He means that EVE pvp has been clear of hax and exploits, or ccp has fixed those fast. But this kind of exploit in pvp is hard to fix or it is hard to explain to ccp how it occurs so ccp can not fix it. But Gallente want to use these bannable methods to win nothing. So let it be that way, seek pvp and use exploits to win. but we do not want to be part of that plan.
It was your call, so do not blaim Caldari about it.
Seems like he (damar) had no problem stating how the 'exploit worked'. And now were all doing it? Please pull your head out of your ass. I just joined and look at the drama that already is. 'Seek PvP and use exploits to win??' So far from my understanding its only happened ONCE and they (gallente) didn't even know wtf was going on. And you don't want to be apart of exploiting? ****ing please, I know it hurts to fall from a high horse but its not like your going to die when you hit the ground. I don't recall any GALLENTE blaming (btw theres no 'I' in blame unless you spelled it like I just did) Caldari for exploits, in this thread. BTW I just love the part where Damar says he's against PvP Exploits but when it comes to money making Explots (CCP Pay attention) he doesn't care. That right there is admiting to using exploits REGARDLESS of it being PvP or not.
Don't be too mad at the convo i posted. After all it is the truth. Damn phone. |
X Gallentius
DEATHFUNK
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Posted - 2009.08.28 15:47:00 -
[228]
Damar role play ftw! Great stuff. :)
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Greg6
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Posted - 2009.08.28 15:59:00 -
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I sure hope it's roleplaying. If so, my hat's off to you, Damar, that's beautiful. If no, I gotta kind of feel sorry for you, man. Hating anyone in a game you've never met? That's the kind of stuff that will wear a soul down.
Of course, I'm the kind of sick soul that will giggle as another grinds itself to a nub, but that's another topic.....;)
Oh, and either the ban on fighting Q-cats is over, or Damar and Bad Messenger made an exception at a plex yesterday. We got the plex and a fight, so thanks for playing kids.
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Ronin Reborn
Wrath of Fenris Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:08:00 -
[230]
Isn't Amon Dei in KEG not QCATS? Trying to figure out why Damar hates QCATS other than his absurd TD whine.
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Sebastien LaForge
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.28 16:10:00 -
[231]
Originally by: Ronin Reborn Isn't Amon Dei in KEG not QCATS? Trying to figure out why Damar hates QCATS other than his absurd TD whine.
I hate TDs too, but that doesn't stop me from using them :)
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Mithril Ryder
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Posted - 2009.08.28 18:52:00 -
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I can't believe this thread is still going on.
Damar, I know for a fact that the rats keep agro on you to 250KM+ (I was trying to run a unrestricted in a myrm with only one other corp member, room had full spawn). So unless someone has burned out at least that far from the rats, kindly stuff it about 'sploits, ok? Anyways, I was sad I couldn't get in the medium to fight also, but I'm glad to see your still a fan of the "run the hell away" build ;)
You have fun micromanaging your alt accounts, I'll have fun doing the same with market and construction,
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Kingnuts
Gallente Rat Squad
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Posted - 2009.08.28 19:34:00 -
[233]
Originally by: Mithril Ryder I can't believe this thread is still going on.
/this Damn phone. |
Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente Citation Registration Commission
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Posted - 2009.08.28 21:46:00 -
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Just "exploit" till they quit in misery, you can see how upset they get by it.
CCP won't ban anyone for it, they didn't ban anyone that used that timer exploit either despite a lot of people like me hammering on it and passing on names of notorious exploiters. ---
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.28 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Just "exploit" till they quit in misery, you can see how upset they get by it.
CCP won't ban anyone for it, they didn't ban anyone that used that timer exploit either despite a lot of people like me hammering on it and passing on names of notorious exploiters.
Actually ankh, I was tangling in a plex last night with damar, and my rifter ended up with rat aggro. Now that I know the bug exists, I tried specifically *NOT* to trigger it, while maintaining a good distance from damar's caracal to let my fleet mates fight him without the rats on them. (And if I didn't know from this thread, I would have just kept on going and going in a straight line cause that's the easiest way to avoid rat damage :) )
And Damar, even though you may take offence at this (which I hope you don't), it was a good fight in that plex last night. You know how to fly that caracal very well (and seeing your repeated performances in it I LOL at the caldari FC's who don't allow caracals in their fleets) and pounce on anyone who makes a mistake and drifts off towards you, you used the rats to your advantage even if in the end you had to flee due to being outnumbered, you didn't make it easy on us.
Killboard link is here.
http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=4089599
Just maybe Damar, you'll finally believe that we didn't know, nor intend to trigger, said bug. And that it's a game, and there's no point in all the hate. Even if there are people in the gal mil that use the bug (and there probably are), or people who smack, it's not the entire gal mil.
In the end, hate me all you want, I'll keep offerring you a gf in local, respecting your piloting skills, and laughing at your smack if you really wanna keep it coming in spite of it all. Even if it was a gank, the gf (or gg for good gank) is just a "hey, nice tangling with you, cya round" kinda gesture.
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Unfamed II
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.08.29 11:28:00 -
[236]
Originally by: Unfamed II Yeah it's about time to /thread anyways. Let's find something more interesting to smack about. Mexi Can!
Any support?
Originally by: Sandslinger of CA
So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.29 18:54:00 -
[237]
Originally by: Unfamed II
Originally by: Unfamed II Yeah it's about time to /thread anyways. Let's find something more interesting to smack about. Mexi Can!
Any support?
+1
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Sebastien LaForge
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.29 19:33:00 -
[238]
Originally by: chatgris
Originally by: Unfamed II
Originally by: Unfamed II Yeah it's about time to /thread anyways. Let's find something more interesting to smack about. Mexi Can!
Any support?
+1
-1
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Val Erian
Gallente Azure Horizon Federate Militia
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Posted - 2009.09.02 15:35:00 -
[239]
[ 2009.09.02 13:29:54 ] EVE System > Channel changed to Brarel Local Channel [ 2009.09.02 13:31:53 ] High PlainsDrifter > gf [ 2009.09.02 13:32:40 ] Val Erian > gf [ 2009.09.02 13:32:49 ] High PlainsDrifter > how much structure you at? [ 2009.09.02 13:52:51 ] Val Erian > :) your fearless leader maanged to warp and survive. left you guys to fight' [ 2009.09.02 13:52:56 ] Damar Rocarion > **** you [ 2009.09.02 13:53:31 ] Val Erian > ah so shameful [ 2009.09.02 13:53:33 ] Sabi Aubery > Not sure he'd enjoy that. Heard ****ing Caldari was like rolling around in dead fish. [ 2009.09.02 13:53:46 ] Damar Rocarion > Blocked both of you [ 2009.09.02 13:53:51 ] Message > Site has been captured. [ 2009.09.02 13:53:55 ] Val Erian > LOl [ 2009.09.02 13:53:56 ] Damar Rocarion > Only reason there are plexes here is because my net died [ 2009.09.02 13:54:13 ] Val Erian > but he was th eone that used obscene language in local.... [ 2009.09.02 13:54:30 ] Sabi Aubery > I know. And I was just defending your honor, sir. [ 2009.09.02 13:55:53 ] Val Erian > but its tru damar is careful with his ships. and a good pilot... when goin gdown save yourself...dont wrry about your fleet [ 2009.09.02 14:04:41 ] Val Erian > [13:53:56] Damar Rocarion > Only reason there are plexes here is because my net died [ 2009.09.02 14:04:57 ] Val Erian > its a shame th etime zone advantage didnt work out for one day [ 2009.09.02 14:05:05 ] Val Erian > now all is lost [ 2009.09.02 14:06:32 ] Sabi Aubery > And here I am without my party dress. [ 2009.09.02 14:20:49 ] Val Erian > now Yuri [ 2009.09.02 14:20:57 ] Sabi Aubery > Here we were just sitting here just wondering if you two were an item. [ 2009.09.02 14:21:03 ] Val Erian > the new policy of ILF is to not fleet with militias [ 2009.09.02 14:21:15 ] Val Erian > or be involved in FW [ 2009.09.02 14:21:26 ] Val Erian > is th eminor plex so important to you [ 2009.09.02 14:24:27 ] Damar Rocarion > a...holes [ 2009.09.02 14:24:31 ] Message > Site has been captured. [ 2009.09.02 14:24:36 ] Val Erian > ... [ 2009.09.02 14:24:38 ] Val Erian > why? [ 2009.09.02 14:24:50 ] Val Erian > becasue you lost a plex and a fight? [ 2009.09.02 14:28:53 ] Val Erian > [13:52:56] Damar Rocarion > **** you [ 2009.09.02 14:29:01 ] Val Erian > [14:24:27] Damar Rocarion > a...holes [ 2009.09.02 14:29:26 ] Val Erian > because we won a couple of situations? [ 2009.09.02 14:30:03 ] Sabi Aubery > I think he said he had us blocked, sir. [ 2009.09.02 14:30:10 ] Damar Rocarion > Dont bother smacking, you are both blocked [ 2009.09.02 14:30:22 ] Val Erian > well.. that was in case lt merc is a real person type [ 2009.09.02 14:30:44 ] Sabi Aubery > We could go follow him and tell him how great a Leader his boss is. [ 2009.09.02 14:30:56 ] Val Erian > and yuri logs off now [ 2009.09.02 14:31:04 ] Sabi Aubery > Gee.
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.09.02 16:28:00 -
[240]
So you finally managed to capture couple plexes, great job gallente.
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Val Erian
Gallente Azure Horizon Federate Militia
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Posted - 2009.09.02 17:00:00 -
[241]
Originally by: Bad Messenger So you finally managed to capture couple plexes, great job gallente.
Thxs!
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defc0n
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Posted - 2009.09.02 17:02:00 -
[242]
Damar Rocarion is really setting a great example to all faction warfare players out there.. It must be the constant hours of plexing and the need to continue running his dozen alts (and spy alts) that has really been stressing him out. Oh well, looks like all those plexing months amounted to nothing , hehe
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2009.09.02 17:05:00 -
[243]
I haven't plexxed recently at all.
Can someone explain what the Intaki Liberation Front and 'nenamalia people' are all about?
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Sebastien LaForge
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.09.02 18:25:00 -
[244]
We are inhabitants of Nennamalia and keepers of the great fortress Nenn. Woe be our enemies who seek to destroy us for the cry goes out when severely outnumbered to return to the keep! To fortress Nenn! Reship and remote rep is the rallying call!
Wake up MDPillians, Placid is on fire and we are the only ones that can **** it out!
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Mithril Ryder
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Posted - 2009.09.02 21:14:00 -
[245]
Edited by: Mithril Ryder on 02/09/2009 21:15:11
Originally by: Sebastien LaForge We are inhabitants of Nennamalia and keepers of the great fortress Nenn. Woe be our enemies who seek to destroy us for the cry goes out when severely outnumbered to return to the keep! To fortress Nenn! Reship and remote rep is the rallying call!
Wake up MDPillians, Placid is on fire and we are the only ones that can **** it out!
This. 1000 times this.
And the ILF are a bunch of ex WOW "rollplayers" who help out the caldari militia without being in it(pirates and spies).
One day, we should get everyone in empty clones, and t1 lol fit noob ships and get some killmails in noob ships, for great justice!
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Dunk Dinkle
Caldari Caldari State 1st Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.09.02 21:18:00 -
[246]
I have no idea about the Intaki stuff.
As far as Nennemalia, it's a place to always find a fight. It's difficult to beat the Gal in Nenn, because several corps base there and can reship during battle.
We've had several fun fights there, like this one. You notice Chatgris lost his Scorpion and reshipped into a fitted Dominix. I lost my Blackbird, bought a Coercer found one ECM module and charged back into battle. I think Ashensugar used three different ships. You can assume which side held the field. It was a great fight and both sides had a blast.
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Havegooda
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.09.03 01:19:00 -
[247]
Originally by: Dunk Dinkle I have no idea about the Intaki stuff.
As far as Nennemalia, it's a place to always find a fight. It's difficult to beat the Gal in Nenn, because several corps base there and can reship during battle.
We've had several fun fights there, like this one. You notice Chatgris lost his Scorpion and reshipped into a fitted Dominix. I lost my Blackbird, bought a Coercer found one ECM module and charged back into battle. I think Ashensugar used three different ships. You can assume which side held the field. It was a great fight and both sides had a blast.
Agreed. I lost a ship and came back as fast as I could. Freaking awesome fight. Almost lost my second ship but I managed to make it back into the loving arms of our RR ships.
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Mort Eveson
Gallente Intaki Liberation Front
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Posted - 2009.09.03 16:54:00 -
[248]
Originally by: Mithril Ryder Edited by: Mithril Ryder on 02/09/2009 21:15:11
Originally by: Sebastien LaForge We are inhabitants of Nennamalia and keepers of the great fortress Nenn. Woe be our enemies who seek to destroy us for the cry goes out when severely outnumbered to return to the keep! To fortress Nenn! Reship and remote rep is the rallying call!
Wake up MDPillians, Placid is on fire and we are the only ones that can **** it out!
This. 1000 times this.
And the ILF are a bunch of ex WOW "rollplayers" who help out the caldari militia without being in it(pirates and spies).
One day, we should get everyone in empty clones, and t1 lol fit noob ships and get some killmails in noob ships, for great justice!
Yes we are roleplayers. That I know none of us play WOW. We don't support the Caldari militia.
Mort ""
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