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Dierdra Vaal
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Posted - 2009.08.02 19:21:00 -
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CSM 3 Meeting 7 - Sunday august 9th, 16:00
The seventh issues meeting of CSM3 on August 9th at 16:00. This is the last meeting before the issue deadline for the CSM/CCP meet in iceland expires.
Issue submission deadline will be August 2nd 16:00
Items on the agenda: Director of Education :: EVE University
Chairman of the CSM
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Orakkus
Minmatar m3 Corp
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Posted - 2009.08.03 19:06:00 -
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Edited by: Orakkus on 03/08/2009 19:10:31 I request that the issue regarding Minmatar Large Weapon systems (Autocannons/Artillery) and the ongoing issue with Tempest battleship that has been made obsolete by various buffs and nerfs, most all of which negatively influencing the Tempest's ability to operate in a PVP role.
Recent Assembly Hall Thread Recent Ships and Modules Thread Recent Forums and Ideas Discussion Thread
The issues with both of these has been neglected by CCP, and even by CSM as has been shown by the information located in the Assembly Hall thread. It is long past time we restarted trying to get CCP to review the Tempest and Large Projectile weapons.
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Dierdra Vaal
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Posted - 2009.08.03 20:50:00 -
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this thread is here for CSM members to put items on the agenda. CSM members only. Director of Education :: EVE University
Chairman of the CSM
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Vuk Lau
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Posted - 2009.08.04 11:06:00 -
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I will raise GM competence issue. Will make wiki tomorrow morning
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Larkonis Trassler
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Posted - 2009.08.04 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Orakkus Edited by: Orakkus on 03/08/2009 20:47:02 Edited by: Orakkus on 03/08/2009 20:17:04 Edited by: Orakkus on 03/08/2009 19:10:31 I request that the issue regarding Minmatar Large Weapon systems (Autocannons/Artillery) and the ongoing issue with Tempest battleship that has been made obsolete by various buffs and nerfs, most all of which negatively influencing the Tempest's ability to operate in a PVP role.
Recent Assembly Hall Thread Recent Ships and Modules Thread Recent Forums and Ideas Discussion Thread Large Projectile/Tempest Forum - This was locked by CCP after 47 pages. Anaylsis of training Large Projectiles
The issues with both of these has been neglected by CCP, and even by CSM as has been shown by the information located in the Assembly Hall thread. It is long past time we restarted trying to get CCP to review the Tempest and Large Projectile weapons.
When I get a chance to read through these donkey chokers of threads I'll knock something up.
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Dierdra Vaal
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Posted - 2009.08.04 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: Larkonis Trassler
Originally by: Orakkus Edited by: Orakkus on 03/08/2009 20:47:02 Edited by: Orakkus on 03/08/2009 20:17:04 Edited by: Orakkus on 03/08/2009 19:10:31 I request that the issue regarding Minmatar Large Weapon systems (Autocannons/Artillery) and the ongoing issue with Tempest battleship that has been made obsolete by various buffs and nerfs, most all of which negatively influencing the Tempest's ability to operate in a PVP role.
Recent Assembly Hall Thread Recent Ships and Modules Thread Recent Forums and Ideas Discussion Thread Large Projectile/Tempest Forum - This was locked by CCP after 47 pages. Anaylsis of training Large Projectiles
The issues with both of these has been neglected by CCP, and even by CSM as has been shown by the information located in the Assembly Hall thread. It is long past time we restarted trying to get CCP to review the Tempest and Large Projectile weapons.
When I get a chance to read through these donkey chokers of threads I'll knock something up.
technically you dont need to. This issue was raised by Bane Glorious in CSM1 so you can just ask CCP about an update (also see my recent CSM mail regarding issues like this) :) Director of Education :: EVE University
Chairman of the CSM
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Zastrow J
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Posted - 2009.08.05 17:45:00 -
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Edited by: Zastrow J on 05/08/2009 17:48:13 Hello let's discuss 0.0 vs highsec income generation on the individual pilot level http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1137380
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Vuk Lau
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Posted - 2009.08.06 14:21:00 -
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Competence of GM dept (WIKI)
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Zastrow J
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Posted - 2009.08.07 20:16:00 -
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lets talk about subcaps docking in capitals (or supercapitals) http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1123175
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Avalloc
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Posted - 2009.08.08 05:43:00 -
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*whistles innocently*
1: Black Ops and Titan able to lock on POS Cyno Beacons 2: Split the show Effects setting into separate options. 3: Add skill which reduces Jump Clone timer just a little bit. 4: Improve refresh time on loading Corporate Hangar contents. 5: Ship fittings visible via Show Info without boarding ship. 6: Store bookmark folders server-side. 7: Improve People & Places search results for Solar Systems. 8: Improve the Market UI for identifying your own Buy & Sell. 9: Add the feature of switching characters without relogging. 10: UI Improve Fleet Commander UI by showing fleet composition. 11: UI Reduce the chances of accidental Trash It in UI. 12: POS Reduce pod fuel requirements for Jump Bridges back to zero. 13: UI Separate Jump To and Open Jump Bridge further in Titan UI.
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Nigerian Prince
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.08.08 06:24:00 -
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Edited by: Nigerian Prince on 08/08/2009 06:25:11 Could you guys please make it so that we can tractor the wrecks/cans of other people in our alliance without having to gang them? Thanks. |
Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2009.08.08 06:51:00 -
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Originally by: Nigerian Prince Edited by: Nigerian Prince on 08/08/2009 06:25:11 Could you guys please make it so that we can tractor the wrecks/cans of other people in our alliance without having to gang them? Thanks.
You need to create a thread in the Assembly Hall before the issue can be raised.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.08.08 10:29:00 -
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Edited by: LaVista Vista on 08/08/2009 10:34:19
Originally by: Avalloc
8: Improve the Market UI for identifying your own Buy & Sell. 11: UI Reduce the chances of accidental Trash It in UI. 13: UI Separate Jump To and Open Jump Bridge further in Titan UI.
I want to point out that these issues have already been raised. So there's really no point in raising these again, given the fact that they are just going to take time from other important issues.
And:
Quote: 14: Faster CSM Process for Minor Issues
That is already possible under the current system.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2009.08.08 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista Faster CSM Process for Minor Issues
That is already possible under the current system.
Most of the individual pieces are in place, yes. A process for actually seeing that they get used when appropriate doesn't seem to be.
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Resivan
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Posted - 2009.08.08 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
I want to point out that these issues have already been raised. So there's really no point in raising these again, given the fact that they are just going to take time from other important issues.
Re-raising issues that previous CSMs have decided not to take to CCP is politics at work. Re-raising issues that CCP has dismissed in the past or given a low priority is lobbying for reconsideration. Both are worthwhile.
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Dierdra Vaal
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Posted - 2009.08.08 19:06:00 -
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After discussing it with Avaaloc I removed avallocs Trash It issue since that was discussed in CSM1.
The other issues raised by avalloc do seem to be unique after a search of evelopedia and Ank's wiki. Director of Education :: EVE University
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iP0D
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Posted - 2009.08.08 21:48:00 -
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Any chance we'll get the meeting notes of the previous meeting before this next one ....
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2009.08.09 01:45:00 -
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Edited by: Dr BattleSmith on 09/08/2009 01:48:14
Originally by: iP0D Any chance we'll get the meeting notes of the previous meeting before this next one ....
At a guess?
No chance :-P
http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/CSM_meeting_minutes_3.005
Last wikified minutes were from a meeting 2 months ago (2009/07/19).
Not good enough? lol
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Erik Finnegan
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Posted - 2009.08.14 08:43:00 -
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You will find the minutes of this meeting on the evelopedia together with a raw log. |
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.08.14 16:01:00 -
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The GM competence discussion made only reinforced my feelings about it.
Dear CSM team,
your online meetings logs are public. They are a part of the overall picture of the issues raised to CCP. Talking **** about the GM team yet going "Oh, we probably don't want to sound like *****es. So lets just word it nicer to them" is a destructive cycle and has no place.
It's the same as talking behind peoples' backs. It just sucks majorly.
I'm afraid that the CSM really doesn't care about how they appear to CCP when they arrive in Iceland.
At least have a bit of perspective. It bothers me that nobody even remotely challenged the assumptions made. Dierdra was the only one who came close, and I respect him for that.
However the discussion clearly needed someone playing devil's advocate. Anybody who was on CSM1 or CSM2 could have done that.
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Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2009.08.14 16:42:00 -
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for some reason I'm not listed as being absent (with apologies) and I agree LV ----------------------
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mazzilliu
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Posted - 2009.08.15 08:16:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista The GM competence discussion made only reinforced my feelings about it.
Dear CSM team,
your online meetings logs are public. They are a part of the overall picture of the issues raised to CCP. Talking **** about the GM team yet going "Oh, we probably don't want to sound like *****es. So lets just word it nicer to them" is a destructive cycle and has no place.
It's the same as talking behind peoples' backs. It just sucks majorly.
I'm afraid that the CSM really doesn't care about how they appear to CCP when they arrive in Iceland.
At least have a bit of perspective. It bothers me that nobody even remotely challenged the assumptions made. Dierdra was the only one who came close, and I respect him for that.
However the discussion clearly needed someone playing devil's advocate. Anybody who was on CSM1 or CSM2 could have done that.
what other chatroom to communicate dissatisfaction then? I think the GM team is tough skinned enough by now to handle the fact that some number of CSM members aren't happy with the situation.
the proposal could be better worded though, because it really should be above the level of common conversation and chat room rage. But I do think it's an issue that needs to be talked about in iceland, and I expect everyone will be perfectly civil speaking about it in real life, at least.
MAZZILLIU 2009. CHANGE I CAN IMPOSE ON YOU. |
Issler Dainze
Minmatar Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2009.08.16 00:57:00 -
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I wasn't able to be an alt in this meeting although I had planned to be. The morning of the meeting my cat had a medical emergency that eventually resulted in her being put to sleep.
I do however agree totally with LV.
Issler
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.08.16 07:43:00 -
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Originally by: Issler Dainze I wasn't able to be an alt in this meeting although I had planned to be. The morning of the meeting my cat had a medical emergency that eventually resulted in her being put to sleep.
I'm so sorry to hear about this Issler.
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