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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2012.05.28 17:28:00 -
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Darth Tickles wrote:EvilweaselSA wrote:PL has all its moons individually owned, and taxed in isk: they're the biggest pain in the ass to otec there is because you can't coordinate with that many people who own one moon and have taxes to pay Yup. They have neither the proper organization nor the seeming desire to apply serious pressure on the tech market, even if they nominally have both the tech output and cash to do so, which leaves goons as the sole possible stewards of the tech price in my mind. Most other tech holding alliances do their tech at corp level at a minimum if not alliance level, so as long as their cash reserves are fine they're easier to coordinate with. PL's individual model is unique. |
Valryon
Insight Investments Trade Federation Alliance
6
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Posted - 2012.05.28 18:11:00 -
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Wibla wrote:Valryon in the same alliance as the OP has been posting tons of 1 unit sells etc to chase the sells down.
Food for thought.
Right, that's why I said earlier:
Valryon wrote:i got bored and decided to troll tech before i passed out due to insomnia....... in other news it seems to continue to fall.........................
Usually posting 1 unit orders only stops the big sell orders from updating and thus crashing further, my intent was to actually arrest the crash. It's not my fault people are stupid. |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
453
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Posted - 2012.05.28 18:34:00 -
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>200k for sale at 175k pu, buys aren't rallying, amateur speculators dumping stocks
until somebody big comes by to stabilize the price with a big bet, we're well into a freefall
i appreciate the opportunity to make more money from volatility, but I will definitely miss the wailing of mentally unhinged hisec forum warriors...until it's back at 200k and beyond of course |
cigarellos
Trade Federation Directorate
29
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Posted - 2012.05.28 21:08:00 -
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Wibla wrote:Valryon in the same alliance as the OP has been posting tons of 1 unit sells etc to chase the sells down.
Food for thought.
Contrary to the casual remarks by Colonel Valryon, he had been authorized by the Viceroy of the Trade Federation to determine the best approach to deal with this situation. Under T-FED's Freedom of Information Act, I am releasing a declassified document confirming this.
Declassified Document
Little did we know, the strategy of Colonel Valryon would involve multiple orders of 1 unit, followed by a comedy of panicked bulk orders. Viceroy Hask is most please and I am personally recommending Colonel Valryon for a medal.
Darth Tickles wrote: Yup, a pretty pathetic attempt at "manipulation" that will be snapped up by someone very soon. That said, it doesn't change the overall downward short-term trend, which in turn won;t change the overall long-term upward trend.
Manipulation? Downward trend? Upward trend? Which one is it? I too go to bed at night and wake up in the morning.
EvilweaselSA wrote:uugh he had to try this **** while i was gone on vacation
i'll fix it by next weekend
I'm sorry. I fail to see what you mean by "I'll fix it". Do you mean giving everyone who bought cheap technetium a 10x profit? Thank you kindly, good sir. Also, you have something in your eye.
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Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
466
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Posted - 2012.05.28 21:20:00 -
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cigarellos wrote:Manipulation? Downward trend? Upward trend? Which one is it? I too go to bed at night and wake up in the morning.
Really? You had trouble with grasping the temporal qualifier with each one?
Not complicated.
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CynoNet Two
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
575
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Posted - 2012.05.28 22:40:00 -
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cigarellos wrote: The past week, close to 500k units of Technetium passed through my hands so I know those 732,514 units needed to crash the price to 95k ISK are CHUMP CHANGE.
So what is it going to be?
Is it time for OTEC to suck today's **** or should I move on to Felsic Magma?
Discuss.
-cig
So you're saying that by using less than a day of our cartel's output, we can crash the market? Then choke it off again until the price is well over 200k again? Thanks, thats good to know!
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1106
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Posted - 2012.05.28 22:50:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:PL has all its moons individually owned, and taxed in isk: they're the biggest pain in the ass to otec there is because you can't coordinate with that many people who own one moon and have taxes to pay You guys could, err, you know, buy it from them (via contracts?) at whatever price they were about to stick it on the market for to begin with. Minus taxes. That absolves their guys from bothering with market orders, and that also pretty much makes YOU control a larger amount of tech as good as directly. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T http://eve-search.com/stats/Akita_T |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.28 23:29:00 -
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Akita T wrote:EvilweaselSA wrote:PL has all its moons individually owned, and taxed in isk: they're the biggest pain in the ass to otec there is because you can't coordinate with that many people who own one moon and have taxes to pay You guys could, err, you know, buy it from them (via contracts?) at whatever price they were about to stick it on the market for to begin with. Minus taxes. That absolves their guys from bothering with market orders, and that also pretty much makes YOU control a larger amount of tech as good as directly. Assuming you do have the required liquid ISK to pull it off, of course. P.S. In fact, you might as well get a blanket statement out with "goons will buy all fresh tech production from OTEC members at 195k per unit" that's an idea, i may do that but it would still be a giant pain in the ass since selling as much tech as we do is already annoying as **** |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
977
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Posted - 2012.05.29 00:42:00 -
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You are better to fix the market fast, because the current dynamic + static 180k support has been broken, then there is another at about 170k and then a very very steep dive to 155k. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
82
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Posted - 2012.05.29 00:50:00 -
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thank you for your entrail readings they are highly useful
for me to poop on |
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
978
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Posted - 2012.05.29 01:03:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:thank you for your entrail readings they are highly useful
for me to poop on
I'll sit on a river shore. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1108
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Posted - 2012.05.29 03:05:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:Akita T wrote:P.S. In fact, you might as well get a blanket statement out with "goons will buy all fresh tech production from OTEC members at 195k per unit" that's an idea, i may do that but it would still be a giant pain in the ass since selling as much tech as we do is already annoying as **** Eh, just throw orders up at exactly your target price, not even 0.01 more or less (with between 3 to 10 day's worth of market trade volume among the orders that are up) and let time sort them out... "This is the price OTEC sells at, not a dime less" http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T http://eve-search.com/stats/Akita_T |
Claire Voyant
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Posted - 2012.05.29 14:22:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:it might work somewhat, PL has a lot of moons that are individually owned and he can fleece them but i've been getting the production capacity to absorb excess tech ready for dealing with this sort of stuff, once that goes online i can start just sponging out the market anytime someone tries to crash and grab Don't listen to Akita. This will work. All the rest is just words. Selling tech in Jita just feeds the speculators. I worked in oil futures in the eighties, and speculators were never friends of OPEC. |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.05.29 14:42:00 -
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Akita T wrote:EvilweaselSA wrote:Akita T wrote:P.S. In fact, you might as well get a blanket statement out with "goons will buy all fresh tech production from OTEC members at 195k per unit" that's an idea, i may do that but it would still be a giant pain in the ass since selling as much tech as we do is already annoying as **** Eh, just throw orders up at exactly your target price, not even 0.01 more or less (with between 3 to 10 day's worth of market trade volume among the orders that are up) and let time sort them out... "This is the price OTEC sells at, not a dime less" No, the pain in the ass is actually selling the tech: it is a gigantic pain to sell something like 5m units a month, i don't even want to imagine selling 10m
though i suppose if i'm the only supplier on the block it might be easier but still eaugh |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
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Posted - 2012.05.29 15:42:00 -
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First (tech) world problems. |
Caecilia Arene
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.29 20:43:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:You are better to fix the market fast, because the current dynamic + static 180k support has been broken, then there is another at about 170k and then a very very steep dive to 155k. I haven't been watching it for a few days but it's fallen off a cliff .
But yep. Looks like it breached 180k rather easily... So 155k here we come .
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Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
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Posted - 2012.05.30 01:36:00 -
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A hero has stepped forth to rally the market.
Who is this masked financier? Will he continue to stave off falling tech prices?
Nobody knows. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
345
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Posted - 2012.05.30 02:00:00 -
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Darth Tickles wrote:A hero has stepped forth to rally the market.
Who is this masked financier? Will he continue to stave off falling tech prices?
Nobody knows.
I do. |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
505
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Posted - 2012.05.30 02:03:00 -
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lol
i was being poetical |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.03 13:07:00 -
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Caecilia Arene wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:You are better to fix the market fast, because the current dynamic + static 180k support has been broken, then there is another at about 170k and then a very very steep dive to 155k. I haven't been watching it for a few days but it's fallen off a cliff . But yep. Looks like it breached 180k rather easily... So 155k here we come . told you, one week |
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Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
598
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Posted - 2012.06.03 13:27:00 -
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Disappointing "crash". Not nearly enough panic.
I think my expectations were too high, and disappointment was inevitable. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1113
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Posted - 2012.06.03 19:25:00 -
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Darth Tickles wrote:Disappointing "crash". Not nearly enough panic.
I think my expectations were too high, and disappointment was inevitable.
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: You are better to fix the market fast...
It's why I stay the hell out of this market, it's like gambling inside the lion's mouth.
But even then (assuming they did anything) they could not fake it. It still obeys the long term market structure.
Now, if the market was not manipulated, the "natural" first target of that 4D PB would be 197K, possibly going thu a DB first. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
351
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Posted - 2012.06.04 00:35:00 -
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yes but if you'd leveraged the 5R GQ at 166 then maybe, just maybe you'd have gotten RDQ at 195k. |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
605
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Posted - 2012.06.04 00:46:00 -
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corestwo wrote:yes but if you'd leveraged the 5R GQ at 166 then maybe, just maybe you'd have gotten RDQ at 195k.
Oh man, you just made my candlestick drip.
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Kara Books
Deal with IT.
158
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Posted - 2012.06.12 02:12:00 -
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all jokes aside, if techn is going to spike, now might be a good time to reevaluate the T2 market, most likely there's room to grow, and of course make my trading just that much more interesting with the goons taking over the world thing, eve wouldn't be the same without evil people takeing over the world.
I could be very wrong, but Im probably on the ball. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1271
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Posted - 2012.06.12 05:53:00 -
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Kara Books wrote: I could be very wrong, but Im probably on the ball.
You could read the second part of this post. It's just eyeballed though, as currently I am so busy with the last month of RL trading before summer stop that I don't have the time for EvE markets. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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SetrakDark
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
54
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Posted - 2012.06.12 13:20:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:You could read the second part of this post. It's just eyeballed though, as currently I am so busy with the last month of RL trading before summer stop that I don't have the time for EvE markets.
Your tech analysis has consisted of "see, I told everyone it was going to crash" every time it pauses in its inevitable climb based on strong fundamentals, until of course it then resumes its climb and you have nothing to say. I, fortunately for myself, don't read anything else you post, but your track record with tech is farcical, and your intermittent confirmation bias doubly so.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1274
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Posted - 2012.06.12 15:43:00 -
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SetrakDark wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:You could read the second part of this post. It's just eyeballed though, as currently I am so busy with the last month of RL trading before summer stop that I don't have the time for EvE markets. Your tech analysis has consisted of "see, I told everyone it was going to crash" every time it pauses in its inevitable climb based on strong fundamentals, until of course it then resumes its climb and you have nothing to say. I, fortunately for myself, don't read anything else you post, but your track record with tech is farcical, and your intermittent confirmation bias doubly so.
No, my tech analysis has been this;
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:You are better to fix the market fast, because the current dynamic + static 180k support has been broken, then there is another at about 170k and then a very very steep dive to 155k.
... a fix that has been done and thus what would have naturally happened - the price drop - did not.
Strong fundamentals and technetium don't belong to the same thread. It's manipulated like sh!t. All what's possible to do is to watch the trails of what happens and use them as hint for that may come next - assuming it's not manipulated again.
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SetrakDark
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
54
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Posted - 2012.06.12 15:57:00 -
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None of what you said contradicts my point about the value of your analysis, except your absolutely baseless assertion that it is "manipulated to ****", and actually only confirms my evaluation of your analysis. The only part you left out was the ten or so times you've done this song and dance before and been proven wrong over and over and over.
This is also a prime example of why "boarded window" technical analysis is stupid beyond measure. You assume all price movements are simply outputs of past prices, and not based on actual fundamental information. You have arbitrarily decided that after a certain point the price has been "manipulated", and everything that then follows is predictable by your voodoo charts.
I am happy to accept that there are psychological patterns to price variation, and that these patterns can, on occasion, be exploited to predict general short term price movements. However, to give yourself over completely to voodoo magic that directly contradicts observable changes based on relevant and connected changes in the state of the world is the height of navel-gazing stupidity, a stupidity that has been exampled multiple times now by you.
Anyone can fall back on "oh you'll see...you'll ALL see!"; it doesn't take a bunch of voodoo charts to engage in this fanciful and fallacious thinking. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
362
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Posted - 2012.06.12 15:59:00 -
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He's actually right that it's been manipulated to ****. The price correction back up to 190+ was even a manipulation. |
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