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Drefsab
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Posted - 2003.06.22 21:33:00 -
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Ok I was mining low end ores in a 0.6 sector this evening. I was jetisoning my ore for a corp indi to pick up (as may corps do). So some other player came along and stole the ore and wouldnt give it back so I shot at him and I had concord all over me.. now thank fully I could outrun them then warp but its beyond the joke, we are left with a choice of let people steal our ore or get attacked by concord please could CCP address this issue. On another note I tried to raise a petition about this but couldnt for 2 reasons firstly the ingame browser gets blocked by my lans proxy and when I use another pc eve just crash's to the desk top every time I click submit.
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Karma
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Posted - 2003.06.22 21:46:00 -
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there's a bug-reporting page on the eve player website as too.
myeve.eve-online.com then next-to-last.. 'bug reporting' ... not really a petition thing..
but ... well...
yeah.
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Adrenalin
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Posted - 2003.06.22 22:02:00 -
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Buy medium cargo containers and lock them with a password. Thats why the are there.
If you dont use them you take the chance a thief might come along
Edited by: Adrenalin on 22/06/2003 22:03:26
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Dunlop
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Posted - 2003.06.22 22:27:00 -
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Just playing Devils advocate...
If you left a load of diamonds in the parking lot, do you think they'd be there when you got back?
If you shot the guy that picked them up, do you think the cops wouldn't arrest you?
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Aknot
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Posted - 2003.06.22 22:49:00 -
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We just tried the medium cargo containers, but as opposed to the containers that you jettison by default, their max capacity is 240.
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Lansing
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Posted - 2003.06.23 00:31:00 -
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Dunlop..
Play devils advocate all you want. If not you then someone else would be posting that if you drop it it's no longer yours routine.
Woman walks into a park and sits down on a bench. Puts her purse on the ground or on the bench beside her. Is it still hers or fair game for anyone to take?
She forgets it and walks away. You come along and find it pocket the money and throw the rest away. Someone see's you do this and reports you. Your busted my friend. Not reporting it makes you just as guilty as if you took it from her arm.
I fail to see why people stick up for the little goofs in this game saying its all fair. You want to be a thief then pay the price.
The one who comes along and takes it know's full well it's not thiers to take especially when the owners are right beside it ffs. The only reason they do this is because they know damn well you can do nothing about it but hurt yourself.
If it's abandoned then fair game.
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Drefsab
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Posted - 2003.06.23 00:43:00 -
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As for the lockable cargo cans fitting 50k+ units of ore into them just isnt going to happen. As for it being fair game the can was litterally 10 meters from my ship with ore going into it almost every 10 seconds. It was quite clear that it belonged to me. Perhaps ccp should implement a system where if you take something from a can where the own of the items is within 20km and it was only placed in the can withing 20mins then its theft and concord come after you. After all if im unloading my car and someone takes something from it I have every right to attack that person in defence.
Im not asking to be allowed to pod offenders but I would like to see some way of being able to protect whats mine with out having to spend 20 mins trying to not loose my ship to concord.
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Trinity Eve
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Posted - 2003.06.23 00:43:00 -
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The best thing is it is not abondened.
We do group mining thing where miners group together and work on same rocks.
Jettison ores in 1 or 2 container so that indy driver doesn't have to go all over the place.
Yet, people come and steal it.
I had situation where memeber or newbie corporation driving Badger did it.
He said he thought it was his, yet he drove into group of 5 miners.
It doesn't help that it was before police got warp scrambling option.
Me and another friend had to leave system.
BTW, secure medium containers hold 240m3 (they also take 250m3 of your cargo space) and just imagine how many of those would have to be jettisoned around for indy pilot to pick them all up.
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Wil Rufus
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Posted - 2003.06.23 01:13:00 -
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It's sadly a well known problem within the game. You can enter into a whole range of thieving type activities, from cannister stealing to whole sale corperate theft, but because the game system doesn't recognize these acts as crimes it ignors them. But if you try to defend your property and shoot at who ever is looting your property then the game see's that as a crime and jumps on you.
It's a sad fact, it's damned annoying and yet another sign that Concord is in the pay of the criminal cartels.
I just hope that the Dev's will one day be able to do something about that
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Jojin
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Posted - 2003.06.23 02:07:00 -
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This isn't an issue for CCP to deal with; it is just part of the game.
It is similar to salvage rights on open waters. If a vessel is found derelict, then it is open game for salvage. I mean think about it, you are after all "Jettisoning" your cargo. It is absurd to think when you throw something out, it is still yours. The smart thing to do is to have someone there to pick it up as your eject it or to take the risk of it being salvaged by someone else.
Just abide by the laws of regulated space. If you decide you do not like the laws, you can always venture out of regulated space and create your own laws.
Oh and on a side note: This has happened to me many times before, so now I panic every time a stranger comes into the belt I am in and scurry to grab what I can.
WhatÆs next are we going to degrade into insane miners and start shouting things like, ôWhua! Hey! ædis is my roid, find yer own!ö right before we blast people?
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Dunlop
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Posted - 2003.06.23 02:21:00 -
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You'll not find me sticking up for the "little goofs". They bother me as much as the next guy and I'm not one to pick up someone else's stuff. But I realize if I "jettison" something there's a chance someone else will pick it up.
In my opinion Concord should shoot you if you fire the first shot. If someone can't stand the thought of having their cargo picked up by someone else, don't jettison it. It's not the only way to accomplish the task at hand.
It'd be great if everyone could "play nice" but unfortunatly we're not likely to see that in our lifetimes.
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Saturn
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Posted - 2003.06.23 03:07:00 -
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While group mining last week, a rather tiny ship decides to fly over to my cargo container and not so politly wedge himself between it and my Cruiser. Were talking mere meters between my container and my ship here.
After at least 4 or 5 minutes of him being there (maybe waiting for me to leave it alone) he finally sends me a message asking if its mine.
Is it mine? Duh! Your smart enough to log into eve and get your password right (at least once anyway) I figure your smart enough to be able to tell that the container rubbing my bumper is without a doubt mine!
I didnt say that of course :P
I said "Yes", figured anything more might be too complicated for him.
Anyway I call for our Indy to come over and empty the container before this guy is able to lighten my load (right like our Indy is that quick, I was desperate people!) Then the little one just simply warps out without taking a single rock.
Now Im shocked. I asked another member to come over and try to take something out. He couldnt! Kept getting the "The contents of this container is not yours to take" message. Turns out anyone can add to my container but only I or a member of my corp (maybe anyone, didnt test non-corp players) in an Indy can take it out.
Once I left the area the container became open to everyone.
This was a great step in cargo security and solved the petty cargo skimming problem. I hope CCP keeps it in the game and am wondering why or how it isnt working for others. Maybe if you leave a certain range and come back its not valid anymore?
I pretty much park, jettison a load and just keep filling it. When I move on to another group of rocks the Indy picks it up before I leave it.
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Praetor
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Posted - 2003.06.23 03:14:00 -
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There is a tactic using a certain piece of low level npc pirate loot that works well for this exact situation.
Most people think it is useless, but for this it is perfect, no sec hit, an dis a major pain in the butt, while doing no damage.
I won't say what it is, cause it is the perfect thing for griefers to abuse the crap out of, and be totally legal doing it.
All i will say is, look at your equipment you loot, and think about _exactly_ what it does before you recycle it. it is not a webifier nor a disrupter/scrambler.
There are solutions to this problem, you just have to look for it, and use a little imgaination.
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Praetor
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Posted - 2003.06.23 03:18:00 -
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Saturn,
we noticed that as well, and figured out what cuses it.
if you use one single container, and keep addign to it, after abit, only the person who filled it, can get teh stuff out. Drove us batty at first, cause we were group mining, and the indy was always having pickup problems.
if you just loadup, and jet, everytime you fill up, anyone can get it out.
if you want to do the single pod, and use indy's, they way to do it is have the indy yell when he's getting close to you, then you jet a small amount, open your big pod, move it to teh new one, in one single move, close it, an dthe indy can get it.
also remember, change your pods every 30 min or so, cause around 45-60 min, they go poof.
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Elusion Salvage
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Posted - 2003.06.23 04:47:00 -
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Indeed its not nice when a newbie loots your well earned ore that you mined. Altho i dont know what the @%@%@%@% your doing in a 1.0 or 0.9 system with a big corp who powermines a belt and retrieves it with indy's.
If your mining in lower security area's you dont have the trouble of cops.. i know couse we do it. Have 4 persons orso mine, one person who "guards" wacking pirates and keep on close to "unknown" ships and make sure those pilotes understand when they remove something from the cans they will be punished.
Never had any trouble with cops when where where protecting things we "thought" where ours.
Warping away wont help if you scramble them :p
MWD wont do mutch when you webbify them also.
Elusion Salvage.
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Drefsab
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Posted - 2003.06.23 06:09:00 -
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I was in a 0.6 system where I often mine on my own. I mine with my cruiser then swap to my indi and haul it all in this is a lot faster than solo mining in an Indi even with CL or CU lasers. As for the you shouldnt jet it attitude thats fine if you want to have to warp back to your station every few seconds to unload or to take 30mins+ to fill your cargo. Why make 1 mil a night when I can make 10 mil a night? I understand that if I fly away then sure anyone can could take it but while im there filling the can still its my ore. If I am on a boat of the coast someplace and I go diving the boat is unatended yet its still mine and if anyone takes it its theft. In international waters its different just as it would be in non empire space.
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Tabius
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Posted - 2003.06.23 06:19:00 -
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They already have a system in place to handle this....
If my drones are zooming around, no ship can scoop them. there's no reason they can't apply this to "unattended" cargo containers... make them gang/corp accessible only.
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Jebac Wolnosc
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Posted - 2003.06.23 09:22:00 -
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Hmm...
I have no issue with players stealing cargo. If you don't have anyone guarding it then you're asking for trouble. I always rummage around belts looking for something to grab. On a few occasions someone has threatened me and I've backed down (TBH I usually only salvage that which nobody wants anyway). However, it is wrong that the cops will jump on you for trying to protect your stuff. The problem is how to add this feature. You'd have to attach ownership to cargo. The question is, is jettisoning cargo "throwing it out" or "handing it over to someone else"? I know many players will see it as the latter, but I'm not sure. If it is the former than we don't have a problem here.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.06.23 10:25:00 -
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it's only 'handing it to someone else' if there is someone else there to take it. If not, then you're just ejecting it into space.
what bugs me is when people fly into my pirate hunting field, and dive in and grab my loot while there's a clear 5 mins.
The first couple got warnings about A) Not touching my loot, and if they conform, then B) Get the hall away from the spawn point.
Only a couple of people ignored point A, but because of this, I didn't 'get a chance' to warn them about the spawn, and had to sit at the edge of their range, watching them web, jam and gangrape my new 'friend', then go and ponce his loot too.
as for mining losses, not much can be done there, other than puffing your chest up and making threats.
I'd mine in lower sec systems, just so you can ***** their heads when they try it.
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Drefsab
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Posted - 2003.06.23 13:19:00 -
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Its a sad truth but it looks like I will have to move systems so I can prevent this from happening by being able to kick the hell out of ore stealers with out worrying about my sec status. Shame cos I have a lot of assets in this system that I wont be able to find elsewhere unless im very lucks (slots for factorys and labs).
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