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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.05 05:36:00 -
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Originally by: Deluym
You don't see the difference do you? CVA is not dependent on -A- for protection and is not forced to live by -A- rules.
I see the difference. I just think your definition of what makes a "pet" is completely flawed. The whole concept of Eve encourages team dynamics...player to player, corporation to corporation, alliance to alliance. When two players, corporations, or alliances find mutual benefit, they work together to that mutual benefit. In any such pairing, there will be a stronger and a weaker partner. I think it's a terribly limited (and flawed) view to say the weaker is the pet of the relationship.
In general I view "pet" as a monicker in the same light as "blob" or "exploit" or "carebear;" so massively overused that it has lost any true meaning.
It certainly doesn't apply here.
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SquadBroken
Helljumpers
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Posted - 2009.08.05 06:43:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck
Originally by: Deluym
You don't see the difference do you? CVA is not dependent on -A- for protection and is not forced to live by -A- rules.
I see the difference. I just think your definition of what makes a "pet" is completely flawed. The whole concept of Eve encourages team dynamics...player to player, corporation to corporation, alliance to alliance. When two players, corporations, or alliances find mutual benefit, they work together to that mutual benefit. In any such pairing, there will be a stronger and a weaker partner. I think it's a terribly limited (and flawed) view to say the weaker is the pet of the relationship.
In general I view "pet" as a monicker in the same light as "blob" or "exploit" or "carebear;" so massively overused that it has lost any true meaning.
It certainly doesn't apply here.
This is an amazing post.
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.05 06:59:00 -
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Pew Pew.
Thats really what it boils down to, we enjoy fighting and doing the whole hit and fade thing, CVA enjoy fighting us and trapping us where they can.
Everyones happy. The whole roleplay thing gives us direction and a reason to be fighting the fight we have chosen, if we were just another non-rp (ex) space holding alliance we would have folded shortly after we lost all our space, and we certainly wouldnt have continued to pick fights with a power block that outnumbers us at least 10 to 1.
Personally, I like providence, I think its great that there is somewhere that newer players can go to get a taste of nullsec, and that alliances can go to earn some isk and get used to pvp. If those people cant cope with the occasional loss, thats their problem and one that they will need to solve. Calling us griefers is a little odd I think, especially as if we wardec you, there is a very easy solution. Renounce slavery.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.05 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: DigitalCommunist The History of Amarr/Minmatar Roleplay By: DigitalCommunist
Long ago in the Before Time, the Peoples Front of minmatar was being all nice and decent when the racist pirate group known as PIE decided to attack them for being too black. The two wrestled and fought, often in compromising and lewd positions (PIE secretly enjoyed this). A third party bystander called.. well I forgot what they were called, they founded Foundation (GW) or something, anyhow.. this party wanted in on the hot, sweaty lubed action and paid PIE big money. PIE didn't like this, but was desperate to get through collage and decided to bear the shame anyway.
PFM felt PIE had betrayed its origins and PFM, and ran away in tears, eventually jumping off the nearest stargate. The remnants of PFM were collected and salvaged, and what remained decided to get a makeover, a perm and one of those hot secretary pencil skirts. PFM became UK and spent the rest of its days making PIE jealous and sad about the past. PIE couldn't bear the assault and created CVA to shield itself with the meat of a thousand newbies. Now the two are old and gray, and PIE is no longer in CVA. But senility dominates; UK doesn't yet realize this and so continues to threaten CVA and occasionally put on heavy makeup (think: "Brutors in mauve"). The rest of us silently observe the passage of time, praying for their safe departure into oblivion and the dawn of the new age. An age where Amarrs don't have to fight Minmatars for stupid reasons which are identical to those used six years ago. An age where religious white men can love brutish black giants openly, and not under the guise of conflict and roleplay.
The end..?
Amusing, if somewhat inaccurate.
Oracle and the first incarnation of 1st Praetorian Guard deserve mentions for one thing.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Taua Roqa
Minmatar junQtion
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Posted - 2009.08.05 09:34:00 -
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Ouro Akala
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Posted - 2009.08.05 10:02:00 -
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@Chaka Khan - that's a mighty fine Brutor wimmin right dere!
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.05 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Brujo Loco O. M. G. ROFL ... I sooo want to join CVA now, they obviously know their stuff
Rodj Blake isn't in CVA.
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Alakith
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Posted - 2009.08.05 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Deluym
Originally by: Garreck
So your premise is "weaker alliance is pet alliance."
That's a terribly limited view. By your logic, the whole Provibloc is subserviant to the greater -A- community, as they could steamroll us at any time if they wished. They've demonstrated the capacity to do so but don't...probably because they don't view us as an expansionistic threat. Using your same logic, one could make the argument that CVA is an -A- pet because we don't expand and they don't crush us and it's mutually beneficial.
And yet we're red to each other.
It's goofy logic. A pet is more than just the weaker alliance in a diplomatic relationship.
You don't see the difference do you? CVA is not dependent on -A- for protection and is not forced to live by -A- rules. Why? Because CVA is a significant enough threat that positioned itself strategically such that -A- does not consider it to be worth it their time and effort. CVA has earned its autonomy and right to self-govern and make up its own rules. Little of that applies to Sylph. If they were to go NBSI then CVA would steamroll them and they would lose all of their space because they are dependent on CVA to hold it in the first place i.e. they are a pet, an alliance that can't survive on its own.
Me thinks there is some irony in that post. If only i could figure out what it was...something about being pets of larger alliances i think.
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Ryhss
Caldari The Last Legion
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Posted - 2009.08.05 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: iP0D Shorter version:
CVA = bad guys U'K = good guys.
Fixed. :)
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Kharass Al'Quam
Minmatar Union Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.08.05 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 05/08/2009 09:37:59
Originally by: DigitalCommunist The History of Amarr/Minmatar Roleplay By: DigitalCommunist
Long ago in the Before Time, the Peoples Front of minmatar was being all nice and decent when the racist pirate group known as PIE decided to attack them for being too black. The two wrestled and fought, often in compromising and lewd positions (PIE secretly enjoyed this). A third party bystander called.. well I forgot what they were called, they founded Foundation (GW) or something, anyhow.. this party wanted in on the hot, sweaty lubed action and paid PIE big money. PIE didn't like this, but was desperate to get through collage and decided to bear the shame anyway.
PFM felt PIE had betrayed its origins and PFM, and ran away in tears, eventually jumping off the nearest stargate. The remnants of PFM were collected and salvaged, and what remained decided to get a makeover, a perm and one of those hot secretary pencil skirts. PFM became UK and spent the rest of its days making PIE jealous and sad about the past. PIE couldn't bear the assault and created CVA to shield itself with the meat of a thousand newbies. Now the two are old and gray, and PIE is no longer in CVA. But senility dominates; UK doesn't yet realize this and so continues to threaten CVA and occasionally put on heavy makeup (think: "Brutors in mauve"). The rest of us silently observe the passage of time, praying for their safe departure into oblivion and the dawn of the new age. An age where Amarrs don't have to fight Minmatars for stupid reasons which are identical to those used six years ago. An age where religious white men can love brutish black giants openly, and not under the guise of conflict and roleplay.
The end..?
Amusing, if somewhat inaccurate.
Oracle and the first incarnation of 1st Praetorian Guard deserve mentions for one thing, and I have no idea who these Foundation people were for another.
Lol good summery Digi.
Not totally accurate but a good tale.
Rodj he might be talking about Gradient and the girly boy Minnies in one of the earlier alliances. :)
But good seeing people have old memory's.
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Tyzone
Caldari Universal Army Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.06 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Xennith Pew Pew.
This tbh.
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ShadowMaiden
Amarr Divine Radiance
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Posted - 2009.08.06 18:09:00 -
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the Roleplayers will look up and cry - "NO! we are important!"
and the PVPers will whisper - "no..."
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.06 19:48:00 -
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Because RPing and PvPing are mutually exclusive?
Slightly shortsighted viewpoint there tbh, given how much fighting is done by the "lolrp" alliances it is odd that people are so willing to just pretend that we all just sit around emoting at each other in local rather than shooting. Still, if it makes you underestimate us in a fight then thats all to the good really. |
Chooch Chooch
Chooch Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.06 20:08:00 -
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Are we not all role playing to some extent in eve. I mean after all as someone said we are getting into our space ships and flying about, mining, creating, shooting, killing. Is that not role playing to some extent.
Even if you say "well I don't deal with that whole slavery issue", you are still roleplaying. I mean really how many "Pirates" do you know in real life. So the pirates are role playing pirates. Did the members of BoB actually sit at home and plot the conquering oif central europe and vast stretched if earth. No or at least I woudl think not. However they did plan on "conquering all of Eve" so they are role playing the conquerers. And I am not even going to get into the whole dudes playing chicks thing in here, but that is a role play as well nothing like seeing a female toon giggle and blush and corp chat, only to hear the deepest bass voice come out on vent. *Chooch Shudders*
When we pick our character in the creation screen we commit to roleplaying. We all read the history of the race and what they stood for. (why i picked a hippie, freedom loving gallente) That creates our roleplaying experience. So you do not have to deal with the whole slaver vs slave issue. Just as the Caldari and Gallente pay their workers, (however my slaver hound podkill is with me as often as possible) and do not get caught up and choose to ignore the slavery issue. So do many pilots. But do not kid yourself as you run your missions shootin "rats" and mining your veld, and waiting in ambush, that you are not playing the role of what you are doing.
After reading wotlankers posts in his blogs (and for anyone who wants an idea of role really gettin ginto it I would suggest you do read them, they are awesome) I would like to think that when his alliance held a meeting to annouce they were war decking Sylph he really wasn't carrying a sword strapped to his belt sitting in his living room banging the hilt on the table. But you never know
The point is some poeple in eve mock at the roleplayers, but we all are role playing to some extent, you can not play eve without it.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.06 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: ShadowMaiden the Roleplayers will look up and cry - "NO! we are important!"
and the PVPers will whisper - "no..."
Lol! Take a random gang into either alliances territory and start some trouble. I think you will find rp players ships are just as effective as your so called pvpers.
Originally by: Zaqar Anyway, you don't have to be Einstein to play Eve - a quick glance over the forums will tell you that -
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ShadowMaiden
Amarr Divine Radiance
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Posted - 2009.08.06 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Xennith Because RPing and PvPing are mutually exclusive?
Slightly shortsighted viewpoint there tbh, given how much fighting is done by the "lolrp" alliances it is odd that people are so willing to just pretend that we all just sit around emoting at each other in local rather than shooting. Still, if it makes you underestimate us in a fight then thats all to the good really.
ITT - RPers get butthurt and offended at what is obvious satire, get a sense of humour ffs.
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.06 20:55:00 -
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I wouldnt say that was a "butthurt" response, more a fairly reasonable one. However my satire detector must be broken, was that post satire too?
Its so hard to tell. |
Tony Kael
Caldari Laughing Leprechauns Corporation Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.08.06 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: ShadowMaiden the Roleplayers will look up and cry - "NO! we are important!"
and the PVPers will whisper - "no..."
Lol! Take a random gang into either alliances territory and start some trouble. I think you will find rp players ships are just as effective as your so called pvpers.
QFT. RP or no RP - you'll never get an 'easy' fight off CVA. ____________________________________ LEP |
Mystical Dawn
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Posted - 2009.08.06 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: iP0D Shorter version:
CVA = bad guys U'K = good guys.
Fixed for you.
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