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Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.04 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Le Soltueur
Originally by: Pajama Sam
Originally by: Weight What
Also, pirate tears jars are nearing capacity - please change for fresh receptacles soon
I don't really think he's crying about it. It's lame if a corp is using known exploits to save a tower and GM's aren't doing anything.
Quite corrent. No tears. Just making a point here. Their use of the exploit is a poor tactic in lieu of several isk-hungry griefers that would like to cash in on the modules - since we've already done all the hard work.
They're not griefers, but I think complaining about either of the two issues any of this is pretty sad. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Whisper/PrismX 4 emperor |
Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.04 20:54:00 -
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I will add that, unfortunately, our hands were tied. I don't think any of us are enjoying this situation. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Whisper/PrismX 4 emperor |
Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.04 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: Kan3r Blaze
Originally by: Frug I will add that, unfortunately, our hands were tied. I don't think any of us are enjoying this situation.
Agreed. We don't have a beef with REPO guys in any way, shape or form.
This is not how we like to fight. It's probably not something you like doing either; teaming up with other alliances to blob a large tower. We didn't even have a PW for that tower at the time, which I imagine was pretty funny for you guys in the first engagement.
Unfortunately in situations like this, everyone is doing whatever they can to get the job done. We have been on the other side of a situation like this more than once.
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Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.04 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: Jimer Lins
I sense another rant coming on. What the hell is with the GMs in this game?
GMs have been consistent on this issue for a long time now. They're not at fault.
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Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.05 03:09:00 -
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Edited by: Frug on 05/08/2009 03:12:39
Originally by: Roastedpot
you are flagged randomly, you may be flagged and you may not. the example here is repo was repping the pos a Privateer gang warped in to kill them and couldnt until they themselves shot the pos (they were at war with the pos owners). so a few of the reppers got out. therefore clearly not fixed.. yell at ccp and accept that it IS STILL AN EXPLOIT though not a very well known one
Not only is it not very well known, it is also not a big deal to shoot a single pos module every 15 minutes to keep them all blinking to you. While I do acknowledge this situation is unfavorable to all parties, I do believe complaining about it is rather sad. Coping with this 'exploit' is extremely easy, and we have done so without bothering to petition for ages now.
We haven't bothered petitioning it since they fixed it so that the reppers do at least get aggro. Back when reppers got no aggro at all it was a real exploit.
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Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.05 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Wotchadoin
Oh you didn't know DrunkenIrony used to be part of this alliance he left taking with him 8 billion isk to fund his little personal vendetta. It's sad really he wanted to be a big shot with a tiny gun, now he's just a small shot ordering around the big guns guess it gives him a sense of compensation. For his pea shooter.
While I'm actually still bothering to look here in eveo, I might as well confirm this. My understanding from the onset was that the noir/privateer/et al. pos shoot is being funded with stolen isk. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Whisper/PrismX 4 emperor |
Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.05 09:51:00 -
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I remember why I stopped reading these forums now.
You people make my head hurt.
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Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.05 23:39:00 -
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Edited by: Frug on 05/08/2009 23:41:58
Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku Ultimately, what this whole mess demonstrates is that large hi-sec POSses are broken. There is entirely too much reward for entirely too little risk, and that is a bad thing. CCP needs to find some way to remove them from the game (providing appropriate warning to High-sec POS owners and returning their POSses/mods to hangars, of course). The fact that it took 8 hours for the three largest mercenary corporations in the game to reinforce a POS is just nuts.
You should see what happens when the pos is properly defended. We could have saved it had the client been around.
Dreads are the proper counter to a large pos, so where there are no dreads, I would agree, there should be no large posses.
C'est la vie.
edit: well, if we could rep it, that is. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Whisper/PrismX 4 emperor |
Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.06 00:04:00 -
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Originally by: Future Mutant Let me give you the short version of the op... we tried to kill a tower- but couldnt. Everything anyone but us does is an exploit. That tower should of died instantly because we want it dead. Fixing a tower- exploit. Not letting your tower die- exploit Not standing still while we kill you- exploit leaving an alliance- exploit joining an alliance- exploit being wardeced but not self destructing your ships- exploit
It's because of these gray areas, and the fact that every party involved in this situation has used every 'exploit' at his disposal in order to get the job done, that I've said from the beginning that whining about exploits is sad. There's no other way to do it.
In my opinion nobody should have begun the petitioning and exploit whines, and this whole irritating thread could have been avoided. We were in a similar spot not long ago, with neutral reppers, alliance leavers, etc. and everyone dealt with it quietly. I suppose next time you'll be more used to how these ops go.
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Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.06 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: The PitBoss
Originally by: Future Mutant
NEWSFLASH- corps that dont want to fight you in highsec will go out of their way to not fight you in highsec!!
NEWSFLASH ... its down
Congrats.
Bastard.
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Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.06 03:20:00 -
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Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde
REPO good try, lol at Frug ninja looting repaired guns. And by the way, it WILL be talked about on the podcast this week, so deposit all tears into conveniently sized cups.
The podcasts are too boring for me, but I have no tears. The looting is really just me. Because 200 million isk was worth it. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Whisper/PrismX 4 emperor |
Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.06 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Taram Caldar No matter how you slice it or how you WANT it to be, those are both exploits. From what the thread has disclosed there is no ifs, ands, or buts: The targets, whoever they are, broke the rules of the game and the GM's should, by all rights, intervene.
Originally by: Sheva Shacra Give me a link to an official Statement from CCP to ur second statement. Thx. All i know is that this is an exploit if u do it more then one time. An Alliance that is at war and a Corp POS that is beeing attacked can leave the Alliance to avoid the pos to be destroyed. If this Corp joins the Alliance a couple of Days later if the war is over, then can u petition it. If i'm wrong, give me something official please :)
Originally by: Taram Caldar Show me where intelligent discussion rather than people pointing out facts of the rules and then other people going 'yeah but what if' was going on and I'd agree with you. All I've seen in this thread is people point out that a couple exploits were used to try to protect the pos and a bunch of people going 'but it shouldn't be an exploit' or just blatant flaming and calling each other whiners. hurf blurf durka durka etc etc
God you're stupid.
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Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.06 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Resdayn CCP only class it as an exploit if it's done multiple times
Confirming that you are correct, and that someone already said that earlier.
Even though there is nothing in this thread but people saying "yeah but what if" and no actual discussion, and that the "Bottom line is the GM's have deemed both actions an exploit"
Nothing more to see here.
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Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.06 16:20:00 -
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Edited by: Frug on 06/08/2009 16:21:22
Also confirming that there are at least 3 ways to cope with a corporation leaving, one of which was used, and another one of which is probably (definitely) an exploit that has not quite been addressed by CCP yet. Leave it to you to figure out what those are.
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Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.07 02:32:00 -
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Originally by: Taram Caldar They've left the alliance before, Frug, and then rejoined shortly thereafter... never having joined a different alliance in the meantime.... if it was during a Wardec that would make this a repeat offense, thus an exploit.
Ahh Taram, Taram... It takes stupidity and sophistry of staggering amounts to get me to leave my muted tone in this thread behind. Congratulations for making statements so mentally deficient that I can't resist pointing it out yet again.
God you're stupid.
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