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Dixie
Imperium Signal Corps Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2009.08.04 23:06:00 -
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I have confirmed that no third party can declare war on this corporation for 24 hours or till the "grace" period is over. As far as an alliance that could declare war within 24 hours, its not possible either. An error will show up "You can not declare war against them. it might be that they have just disbanded or if it is a corporation, that they have just joined an alliance"
24 hours as a alliance and 48 as a corp they get an invulnerable tower for too long.
It is just stupid.
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Kan3r Blaze
Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.04 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Resdayn The leaving alliance thing is only petitionable if they do it repeatedly, if you look at my post above you'll see how to counter it, although you need to be in an alliance for it to work, I convo'd the OP ingame with El'Tar to let him know about this, so the pos is going to die
Yep, we thank you for the advice and are looking into it.
Upon further investigation the corp have joined and left the alliance on two other occasions:
Originally joined - 24th August 07 Left Alliance - 19th December 07 Joined again - 29th Feb 08 Left Alliance again - 4th August 09
Not hugely conclusive, but as they have no other alliance in their history it looks a little suss.
Noir.
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Resdayn
Amarr Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.08.04 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Dixie I have confirmed that no third party can declare war on this corporation for 24 hours or till the "grace" period is over. As far as an alliance that could declare war within 24 hours, its not possible either. An error will show up "You can not declare war against them. it might be that they have just disbanded or if it is a corporation, that they have just joined an alliance"
24 hours as a alliance and 48 as a corp they get an invulnerable tower for too long.
It is just stupid.
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Turnbell
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Posted - 2009.08.04 23:44:00 -
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I lol'ed at this thread. I just imagine all the angry posters jumping up and down on there computer chairs like monkeys, banging there fists on their keyboard in primal-internet-driven rage.
PS DunkenIrony I love your personal vendetta driven war, its highly amusing to those of us not involved. It would be even funnier if you failed. Actually, I have money on you losing.
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Kan3r Blaze
Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.04 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: Turnbell I lol'ed at this thread. I just imagine all the angry posters jumping up and down on there computer chairs like monkeys, banging there fists on their keyboard in primal-internet-driven rage.
Don't mistake people wanting to get a job done for one of "angry posters jumping up and down".
Noir.
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Roastedpot
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.04 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kan3r Blaze
Originally by: Turnbell I lol'ed at this thread. I just imagine all the angry posters jumping up and down on there computer chairs like monkeys, banging there fists on their keyboard in primal-internet-driven rage.
Don't mistake people wanting to get a job done for one of "angry posters jumping up and down".
and dont underestimate noir. (and everyone else involved group effort/hug!)
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DrunkenIrony
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Posted - 2009.08.05 00:14:00 -
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Originally by: Turnbell
PS DunkenIrony I love your personal vendetta driven war, its highly amusing to those of us not involved. It would be even funnier if you failed. Actually, I have money on you losing.
Before you post wild accusations, maybe you should post on your main.
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Sheva Shacra
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Posted - 2009.08.05 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Le Soltueur ....including hiring another merc alliance to help rep the pos (also an exploit)....
since when is hiring another Merc Corp to rep the Tower an EXPLOIT ?!?!?!?!?!
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Oxana Ptotemkish
Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.05 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Sheva Shacra
Originally by: Le Soltueur ....including hiring another merc alliance to help rep the pos (also an exploit)....
since when is hiring another Merc Corp to rep the Tower an EXPLOIT ?!?!?!?!?!
I believe the issue there is covered in another thread with CCP stating it is an exploit as there are issues with the aggro mechanic working correctly (there is a bug). I'll leave it at that, as all parties involved are aware of this.
Let's focus on the issue of dropping an alliance to avoid the dec and save a POS.
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Wotchadoin
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.08.05 01:09:00 -
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It's not he's just upset that he is not able to pew pew the POS. I say cry me a river build yourself a bridge and get over it. |
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Awesome Possum
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.08.05 01:25:00 -
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Originally by: Wotchadoin It's not he's just upset that he is not able to pew pew the POS. I say cry me a river build yourself a bridge and get over it.
http://eve-search.com/thread/1122039
CCP confirmation that this is still an exploit is on page 3.
By the way, the bug is described in the thread and it is exactly what happened last night.
Thank you, come again. ♥
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Le Soltueur
Imperium Signal Corps Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2009.08.05 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: Wotchadoin It's not he's just upset that he is not able to pew pew the POS. I say cry me a river build yourself a bridge and get over it.
That'd be a lot of tears. Post with your main. I'd love to extract them from you.
As for being upset about not being able to pew pew the pos, BZZZZT. FAIL answer. Wrong. Not upset by that at all because we -can- still pew-pew the tower. It's just going to take a little longer.
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Sheva Shacra
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Posted - 2009.08.05 01:41:00 -
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Edited by: Sheva Shacra on 05/08/2009 01:42:14
Originally by: Awesome Possum
Originally by: Wotchadoin It's not he's just upset that he is not able to pew pew the POS. I say cry me a river build yourself a bridge and get over it.
http://eve-search.com/thread/1122039
CCP confirmation that this is still an exploit is on page 3.
By the way, the bug is described in the thread and it is exactly what happened last night.
Thank you, come again.
that is so loly, over the whole fcki* 4 years now neutral pos are beeing repped from mercs or someone else and NOW its declared as an exploit ? this is really loly !
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.08.05 01:48:00 -
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Originally by: Sheva Shacra
Originally by: Le Soltueur ....including hiring another merc alliance to help rep the pos (also an exploit)....
since when is hiring another Merc Corp to rep the Tower an EXPLOIT ?!?!?!?!?!
I wondered this too.. Agro is buggy, sure.. But how are you supposed to rep your tower then? Rather than call it an exploit and be done with it, why don't they, you know, fix it?
Rather than leave my post at that I'll get on to the 'dropping alliance to save the tower' issue.. So what? Let them rep and re-arm it and then take it out next week when its going to cost them another weeks worth of Merc contract. Its not like the dec is going to cost you much this time and they cant just join an alliance to avoid the dec. If they re-join the alliance before then petition them for using a 'corp hopping' exploit as you will have evidence.
TL;DR: Cry me a river and get back to shooting ****.
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Awesome Possum
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.08.05 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: Sheva Shacra Edited by: Sheva Shacra on 05/08/2009 01:42:14
Originally by: Awesome Possum
Originally by: Wotchadoin It's not he's just upset that he is not able to pew pew the POS. I say cry me a river build yourself a bridge and get over it.
http://eve-search.com/thread/1122039
CCP confirmation that this is still an exploit is on page 3.
By the way, the bug is described in the thread and it is exactly what happened last night.
Thank you, come again.
that is so loly, over the whole fcki* 4 years now neutral pos are beeing repped from mercs or someone else and NOW its declared as an exploit ? this is really loly !
Re-read the thread. It was declared an exploit in 2007. The thread was just a confirmation that it is still an exploit today.
And as you can see from reading the thread, I'm not happy about it. However, after seeing the bug in question last night, I can understand CCP's decision to consider it an exploit. ♥
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Sheva Shacra
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Posted - 2009.08.05 02:14:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum
Originally by: Sheva Shacra Edited by: Sheva Shacra on 05/08/2009 01:42:14
Originally by: Awesome Possum
Originally by: Wotchadoin It's not he's just upset that he is not able to pew pew the POS. I say cry me a river build yourself a bridge and get over it.
http://eve-search.com/thread/1122039
CCP confirmation that this is still an exploit is on page 3.
By the way, the bug is described in the thread and it is exactly what happened last night.
Thank you, come again.
that is so loly, over the whole fcki* 4 years now neutral pos are beeing repped from mercs or someone else and NOW its declared as an exploit ? this is really loly !
Re-read the thread. It was declared an exploit in 2007. The thread was just a confirmation that it is still an exploit today.
And as you can see from reading the thread, I'm not happy about it. However, after seeing the bug in question last night, I can understand CCP's decision to consider it an exploit.
wtf the Thread is from July 2009 and the statement from CCP Wrangler too ?!
if this is known since 2007, i was wondering why i didnt hear about before ? wtf is going on here, people are crying and CCP is jumping ... this is .. ahhh forget it. You made my Day !
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Awesome Possum
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.08.05 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: Sheva Shacra
man do you think im stupid, i dont read the whole thread, wtf i saw that the Thread is from July 2009 and the statement from CCP Wrangler too.
if this is known since 2007, i was wondering why i didnt hear about before ? wtf is going on here, people are crying and CCP is jumping ... this is .. ahhh forget it. You made my Day !
Cause I'm a nice guy.
Quote: exploit: neutrals remote repairing starbases at war reported by GM Spiral | 2007.06.20 14:34:00
Using remote armor repairers, remote hull repairers or remote shield transfer modules on a starbase belonging to a corporation that is at active war is now considered an exploit, if the pilots involved are not members of the corporation owning the starbase or members of a corporation in the same alliance.
Anyone utilizing this exploit to their advantage will face action from the GM team according to the rules laid out under the End Users License Agreement.
URL: http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/eula.asp
The EVE Online Customer Support Team
http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=1491&tid=1 ♥
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Roastedpot
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.05 02:20:00 -
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lana, wouldnt mind doing the pos reinforcing again, but 1/3 of a day to put one in reinforced had me having flashbacks to before capitals came into the game >.<..
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Sheva Shacra
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Posted - 2009.08.05 02:36:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum
Originally by: Sheva Shacra
man do you think im stupid, i dont read the whole thread, wtf i saw that the Thread is from July 2009 and the statement from CCP Wrangler too.
if this is known since 2007, i was wondering why i didnt hear about before ? wtf is going on here, people are crying and CCP is jumping ... this is .. ahhh forget it. You made my Day !
Cause I'm a nice guy.
Quote: exploit: neutrals remote repairing starbases at war reported by GM Spiral | 2007.06.20 14:34:00
Using remote armor repairers, remote hull repairers or remote shield transfer modules on a starbase belonging to a corporation that is at active war is now considered an exploit, if the pilots involved are not members of the corporation owning the starbase or members of a corporation in the same alliance.
Anyone utilizing this exploit to their advantage will face action from the GM team according to the rules laid out under the End Users License Agreement.
URL: http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/eula.asp
The EVE Online Customer Support Team
http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=1491&tid=1
Cmon, this is CRAP, if you rep an Neutral POS in Highsec you became flagged and can be killed by the wartargets, so whats the problem ? an considered Exploit or just for the time to put the POS in Reeinforced ?
and if the Bug / Exploit is still known since 2007 then its absolute embarrassing for CCP that we got today not a fix for whatever, because the aggro system works fine ?!
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Roastedpot
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.05 02:53:00 -
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Edited by: Roastedpot on 05/08/2009 02:54:42
Originally by: Sheva Shacra
Cmon, this is CRAP, if you rep an Neutral POS in Highsec you became flagged and can be killed by the wartargets, so whats the problem ? an considered Exploit or just for the time to put the POS in Reeinforced ?
and if the Bug / Exploit is still known since 2007 then its absolute embarrassing for CCP that we got today not a fix for whatever, because the aggro system works fine ?!
you are flagged randomly, you may be flagged and you may not. the example here is repo was repping the pos a Privateer gang warped in to kill them and couldnt until they themselves shot the pos (they were at war with the pos owners). so a few of the reppers got out. therefore clearly not fixed.. yell at ccp and accept that it IS STILL AN EXPLOIT
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Sheva Shacra
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Posted - 2009.08.05 02:58:00 -
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maybe the didnt repped the POS ?! Hell, i dont know, in retrospect of playing eve for 3 years now i still got flagged all the time i supported a neutral pos. So its not my problem, im just scared that this is declared as an exploit.
Wish u luck. o/
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creone
Gallente Imperium Signal Corps
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Posted - 2009.08.05 03:00:00 -
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Ok just for the record i am not at fault for this at the time this was happening i was dying.... If at first you dont succeed maybe you just SUCK!!!!! |
Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.05 03:09:00 -
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Edited by: Frug on 05/08/2009 03:12:39
Originally by: Roastedpot
you are flagged randomly, you may be flagged and you may not. the example here is repo was repping the pos a Privateer gang warped in to kill them and couldnt until they themselves shot the pos (they were at war with the pos owners). so a few of the reppers got out. therefore clearly not fixed.. yell at ccp and accept that it IS STILL AN EXPLOIT though not a very well known one
Not only is it not very well known, it is also not a big deal to shoot a single pos module every 15 minutes to keep them all blinking to you. While I do acknowledge this situation is unfavorable to all parties, I do believe complaining about it is rather sad. Coping with this 'exploit' is extremely easy, and we have done so without bothering to petition for ages now.
We haven't bothered petitioning it since they fixed it so that the reppers do at least get aggro. Back when reppers got no aggro at all it was a real exploit.
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Akimi Fuji
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Posted - 2009.08.05 03:20:00 -
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I'd send another petition explaining what happened and demand the GM escalate the petition to his supervisor and if he sends it back demand that he escalate it to the next higher authority. It's gotten things done before.
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Jared D'Uroth
Minmatar Universal Peace Operation
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Posted - 2009.08.05 04:23:00 -
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Originally by: Sheva Shacra maybe the didnt repped the POS ?! Hell, i dont know, in retrospect of playing eve for 3 years now i still got flagged all the time i supported a neutral pos. So its not my problem, im just scared that this is declared as an exploit.
Wish u luck. o/
I'm pretty sure my dog is smarter than you. ===
Originally by: Sidus Isaacs My instinct says troll, but there's this little nagging voice saying some people really are that dumb.
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Herty
The Sexy Carebear Boredom Convention
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Posted - 2009.08.05 04:34:00 -
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Does The Sexy Carebear Boredom Convention have to get involved in this and wtf boom boom pow Im so 2008 your so 2000 and late this place???
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Sheva Shacra
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Posted - 2009.08.05 05:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jared D'Uroth
Originally by: Sheva Shacra maybe the didnt repped the POS ?! Hell, i dont know, in retrospect of playing eve for 3 years now i still got flagged all the time i supported a neutral pos. So its not my problem, im just scared that this is declared as an exploit.
Wish u luck. o/
I'm pretty sure my dog is smarter than you.
That's the way the cookie crumbles. If you got no opinion to this Thread, dont troll.
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DrunkenIrony
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Posted - 2009.08.05 05:21:00 -
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I think you guys are getting too off subject with the RR of the neutral tower. It looks to me as though the OP is more concerned with how the holding corp pulled out of their alliance just to save the POS as exploiting game mechanics.
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.05 05:23:00 -
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Originally by: DrunkenIrony I think you guys are getting too off subject with the RR of the neutral tower. It looks to me as though the OP is more concerned with how the holding corp pulled out of their alliance just to save the POS as exploiting game mechanics.
Indeed. Neutral RR of the tower- yes, exploit. Yes, you should stop doing it. Not on topic.
This is about the target dropping alliance and exploiting wardec mechanics to try to save their tower.
Of course, ****ing off every merc corp in the game (-1) by pulling this kind of stunt isn't likely to end well for you.
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.08.05 07:11:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum Re-read the thread. It was declared an exploit in 2007. The thread was just a confirmation that it is still an exploit today.
I think we should get the CSM to demand either CCP list all of the exploits that you can get banned for someplace or set a time limit on them. It was re-confirmed in July this year, that nice.. In May this year I would have had no ****ing idea that it was ever an exploit as there's no way I can find a thread from 07 (which is before I started playing thew damn game) detailing it or even bother to look it up. 3 years should be enough of a time frame to fix a bug that has been determined to be an exploit.. Hell, 6 months should be enough..
So one of the following should happen. - Publish a list of banable exploits for all to see and follow. - Exploits are no longer banable after 6 months of being declared an exploit (with the exception of if it is RESTATED that they are still an exploit)
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