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Roastedpot
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.08.06 05:27:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: DrunkenIrony Well sir, I think you've failed to read this thread in its entirety to understand game mechanics, and the exploits of such. I think you've also failed to read where the tower has ceased to exist.
and it ceased to exist in a very unspectacular way.
i mean, wtf ccp? fix the goddam fireworks
i suspect it was as exausted as we were after reinforcing it, therefore a poof rather than a kaboom
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DrunkenIrony
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Posted - 2009.08.06 05:30:00 -
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/me highfives Grimpak on that last statement.
/signed
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SnootySneerMan
Amarr New Eden Combat Academy
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Posted - 2009.08.06 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Taram Caldar endless pages of debate about a topic that's cut and dry 1) Neutrals repping a pos is an exploit 2) Dropping alliance to save a pos from destruction in a war dec is an exploit
No matter how you slice it or how you WANT it to be, those are both exploits. From what the thread has disclosed there is no ifs, ands, or buts: The targets, whoever they are, broke the rules of the game and the GM's should, by all rights, intervene.
This made me laugh. I guess forums are not the place to state your opinion or discuss EVE in an effort to form a consensus and perhaps institute change.
Yes, yes, let us all cancel our forum accounts because Taram has now instructed us all in the "facts" and intelligent discussion on the matter is no longer warranted.
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Tobarg Shh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.08.06 13:21:00 -
[124]
I have 17 mil, can I help?
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Taram Caldar
GK inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.06 14:52:00 -
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Edited by: Taram Caldar on 06/08/2009 14:55:09
Originally by: SnootySneerMan
Originally by: Taram Caldar endless pages of debate about a topic that's cut and dry 1) Neutrals repping a pos is an exploit 2) Dropping alliance to save a pos from destruction in a war dec is an exploit
No matter how you slice it or how you WANT it to be, those are both exploits. From what the thread has disclosed there is no ifs, ands, or buts: The targets, whoever they are, broke the rules of the game and the GM's should, by all rights, intervene.
This made me laugh. I guess forums are not the place to state your opinion or discuss EVE in an effort to form a consensus and perhaps institute change.
Yes, yes, let us all cancel our forum accounts because Taram has now instructed us all in the "facts" and intelligent discussion on the matter is no longer warranted.
Show me where intelligent discussion rather than people pointing out facts of the rules and then other people going 'yeah but what if' was going on and I'd agree with you. All I've seen in this thread is people point out that a couple exploits were used to try to protect the pos and a bunch of people going 'but it shouldn't be an exploit' or just blatant flaming and calling each other whiners.
Fact is: If you don't think it should be an exploit there's a forum for that discussion ;) It's over there ->>
Bottom line is the GM's have deemed both actions an exploit and debating it amongst oursevels does 2 things: Jack, and ****. The mechanic is broken, deliberately abusing the mechanic is an exploit. Till it's ruled otherwise.
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Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.06 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Taram Caldar No matter how you slice it or how you WANT it to be, those are both exploits. From what the thread has disclosed there is no ifs, ands, or buts: The targets, whoever they are, broke the rules of the game and the GM's should, by all rights, intervene.
Originally by: Sheva Shacra Give me a link to an official Statement from CCP to ur second statement. Thx. All i know is that this is an exploit if u do it more then one time. An Alliance that is at war and a Corp POS that is beeing attacked can leave the Alliance to avoid the pos to be destroyed. If this Corp joins the Alliance a couple of Days later if the war is over, then can u petition it. If i'm wrong, give me something official please :)
Originally by: Taram Caldar Show me where intelligent discussion rather than people pointing out facts of the rules and then other people going 'yeah but what if' was going on and I'd agree with you. All I've seen in this thread is people point out that a couple exploits were used to try to protect the pos and a bunch of people going 'but it shouldn't be an exploit' or just blatant flaming and calling each other whiners. hurf blurf durka durka etc etc
God you're stupid.
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shuckstar
Gallente Hauling hogs
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Posted - 2009.08.06 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Le Soltueur Because the owner of the tower - Angelic Research and Development - quit the alliance to avoid losing the tower (also an exploit). Solty.
So is it a EXPLOIT for corps to leave a alliance thats at war now?
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DrunkenIrony
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Posted - 2009.08.06 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: shuckstar
Originally by: Le Soltueur Because the owner of the tower - Angelic Research and Development - quit the alliance to avoid losing the tower (also an exploit). Solty.
So is it a EXPLOIT for corps to leave a alliance thats at war now?
The corp left the alliance explicitly to SAVE the tower. The tower was to come out of reinforced 2 hours after the 24 hour cool down period.
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Resdayn
Amarr Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.08.06 15:58:00 -
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CCP only class it as an exploit if it's done multiple times ____________________________________________________________
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Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.06 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Resdayn CCP only class it as an exploit if it's done multiple times
Confirming that you are correct, and that someone already said that earlier.
Even though there is nothing in this thread but people saying "yeah but what if" and no actual discussion, and that the "Bottom line is the GM's have deemed both actions an exploit"
Nothing more to see here.
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Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.06 16:20:00 -
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Edited by: Frug on 06/08/2009 16:21:22
Also confirming that there are at least 3 ways to cope with a corporation leaving, one of which was used, and another one of which is probably (definitely) an exploit that has not quite been addressed by CCP yet. Leave it to you to figure out what those are.
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DrunkenIrony
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Posted - 2009.08.06 16:36:00 -
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Heh, what I found most frustrating is that CCP has been busy with the forums closing threads and such (so they are active) and failed to respond to this one. *shrugs*
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Misanth
Reaper Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.07 00:48:00 -
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Originally by: DrunkenIrony Heh, what I found most frustrating is that CCP has been busy with the forums closing threads and such (so they are active) and failed to respond to this one. *shrugs*
..because forum mods = game developers?
Either case this is a pretty good thread, exceptional for C&P. Alot of positive discussion. And alot of stupid posts from people that don't understood game mechanics. Had a bunch of lols at the people that tried to defend the 'dropping of alliance' by saying it's no exploit.. but failing to see the timers involved, and what effect that has on POS timers, etc.
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Taram Caldar
GK inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.07 00:53:00 -
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Edited by: Taram Caldar on 07/08/2009 00:54:55 Edited by: Taram Caldar on 07/08/2009 00:54:05
Originally by: Frug
Originally by: Taram Caldar No matter how you slice it or how you WANT it to be, those are both exploits. From what the thread has disclosed there is no ifs, ands, or buts: The targets, whoever they are, broke the rules of the game and the GM's should, by all rights, intervene.
Originally by: Sheva Shacra Give me a link to an official Statement from CCP to ur second statement. Thx. All i know is that this is an exploit if u do it more then one time. An Alliance that is at war and a Corp POS that is beeing attacked can leave the Alliance to avoid the pos to be destroyed. If this Corp joins the Alliance a couple of Days later if the war is over, then can u petition it. If i'm wrong, give me something official please :)
Originally by: Taram Caldar Show me where intelligent discussion rather than people pointing out facts of the rules and then other people going 'yeah but what if' was going on and I'd agree with you. All I've seen in this thread is people point out that a couple exploits were used to try to protect the pos and a bunch of people going 'but it shouldn't be an exploit' or just blatant flaming and calling each other whiners. hurf blurf durka durka etc etc
God you're stupid.
They've left the alliance before, Frug, and then rejoined shortly thereafter... never having joined a different alliance in the meantime.... if it was during a Wardec that would make this a repeat offense, thus an exploit. Might want to, once again, check your facts before popping off.
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Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.07 02:32:00 -
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Originally by: Taram Caldar They've left the alliance before, Frug, and then rejoined shortly thereafter... never having joined a different alliance in the meantime.... if it was during a Wardec that would make this a repeat offense, thus an exploit.
Ahh Taram, Taram... It takes stupidity and sophistry of staggering amounts to get me to leave my muted tone in this thread behind. Congratulations for making statements so mentally deficient that I can't resist pointing it out yet again.
God you're stupid.
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DrunkenIrony
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Posted - 2009.08.07 07:31:00 -
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Edited by: DrunkenIrony on 07/08/2009 07:32:00 Since when is rejoining 2 months later considered a short time?
/me thumps Taram on the head with a probe launcher.
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ShadowMaiden
Amarr Divine Radiance
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Posted - 2009.08.07 10:54:00 -
[137]
ITT - we rage about pixels and try to sound like real army men.
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Awesome Possum
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.08.08 18:48:00 -
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Want to know what's stupid?
1. Bumping a thread on page 2-3 (i was moving, sorry)
2. Taking a contract, and neutral rep'ing this POS despite knowing it was an exploit.
3. Admitting in this very thread that you knew neutral rep'ing a POS was an exploit before taking this contract. Admitting to having done the same in the past.
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Chaosmancer
Gravis Unbound
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Posted - 2009.08.09 14:16:00 -
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K, I might be wrong now, but isn't leaving a corp to avoid a wardec concidered an exploit? And in that case, why should leaving an alliance to avoid the war not be one?
Anyway, nice work getting the tower in the end.
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Agent Known
Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.08.09 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Chaosmancer K, I might be wrong now, but isn't leaving a corp to avoid a wardec concidered an exploit? And in that case, why should leaving an alliance to avoid the war not be one?
Anyway, nice work getting the tower in the end.
As it's been pointed out, it's not an exploit unless done multiple times. Jumping to a new corp and disbanding the old one to dodge a wardec IS an exploit, though.
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Le Soltueur
Imperium Signal Corps Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2009.08.09 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Chaosmancer K, I might be wrong now, but isn't leaving a corp to avoid a wardec concidered an exploit? And in that case, why should leaving an alliance to avoid the war not be one?
Anyway, nice work getting the tower in the end.
Cheers mate. It was nice to see the tower go down like a cheap ***** after all that.
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Fig Jam
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Posted - 2009.08.10 04:56:00 -
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Well, finding myself in a similar situation to the tower's owners I came up with a plan to allow neutrals to RR the POS.
I created a petition explaining my plan and obtained approval from a GM to use said plan.
Unfortunately the tower was never attacked so I didn't get to put this plan into effect. The results would have been most entertaining I think
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.10 07:47:00 -
[143]
Taram > Frug ---
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Awesome Possum
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.08.10 15:47:00 -
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Confirming that Alek only has to look at his hand if he ever gets lost. ♥
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Roastedpot
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.10 19:07:00 -
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or lonely
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Awesome Possum
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.08.10 19:26:00 -
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I never look at my hand, the shame is too unbearable to see. ♥
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