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Le Soltueur
Imperium Signal Corps Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2009.08.04 20:40:00 -
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Right now, there's an active dec against an alliance... we'll call this alliance "Blue Sky Consortium" and they have a really nice LARGE faction POS in Pimebeka at planet VII, Moon 12.
This large faction POS was fit with 24 online ECM jammers, a couple of warp scrams, a couple of webs, a single neut, and a bunch of torps - EVERYTHING IS FACTION on the tower.
So this "coallition" of mercenary alliances employed to remove this tower spent 8 hours BEATING on this thing last night. The owner used every exploit available, including hiring another merc alliance to help rep the pos (also an exploit), to no avail.
Shortly before 05:00 EVE this morning, the tower was put into reinforced for 1 day 17 hours. This means at 22:00 EVE this Wednesday, the tower comes out of reinforced.
Why am I telling you this?
Because the owner of the tower - Angelic Research and Development - quit the alliance to avoid losing the tower (also an exploit). And because there's a 24-hour cooldown period, we can't dec the corp in time to finish killing the tower. The soonest we'll be able to redec them is 20:00 on Wednesday - 2 hours before the tower comes out of reinforced - and the new dec won't take effect until 24 hours later giving them a full day to rep the tower unmolested. I CALL BULL****. Petitions have been filed, but as usual, the standard cut and paste responses were returned. I'll be pleasantly surprised in the GM's actually do something about this.
So here's the challenge:
If you're in a corp and you're bored and looking for something to do - dec these guys - Angelic Research and Development. We've done most of the hard work. The tower comes out of reinforced mode at 21:50 EVE on Wednesday. There's (loosely) about 4 billion isk worth of faction fittings on that tower you can claim as your own once the tower is destroyed.
Call your friends. Call your enemies. Call your ex-girl/boyfriend. Don't let another CAREBEAR get away with this bull****.
Solty.
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Weight What
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Posted - 2009.08.04 20:43:00 -
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Cool story bro
Also, pirate tears jars are nearing capacity - please change for fresh receptacles soon
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Kan3r Blaze
Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.04 20:44:00 -
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I hereby fully support this thread, especially since my petition on the matter was closed within 3 seconds of being submitted with a stock response.
Now, I am a fast reader, but there is no way someone could have read my petition within that short space of time. The only arguement could be I wrote too much and it was tiresome to read it all.
Noir.
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Pajama Sam
Copia-WarRages Armaments
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Posted - 2009.08.04 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Weight What
Also, pirate tears jars are nearing capacity - please change for fresh receptacles soon
I don't really think he's crying about it. It's lame if a corp is using known exploits to save a tower and GM's aren't doing anything.
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Grunt Futtoks
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Posted - 2009.08.04 20:48:00 -
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Edited by: Grunt Futtoks on 04/08/2009 20:48:29
Originally by: Kan3r Blaze I hereby fully support this thread, especially since my petition on the matter was closed within 3 seconds of being submitted with a stock response.
You were able to target and aggress the reppers, and yet you whine. I'd give you a stock response too.
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Roastedpot
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.04 20:49:00 -
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it makes POS in highsec invincible if corps are allowed to do this when it is obvious the pos is the target.
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Kan3r Blaze
Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.04 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Grunt Futtoks
You were able to target and aggress the reppers, and yet you whine. I'd give you a stock response too.
You've missed my point entirely. I did not petition that.
Noir.
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Roastedpot
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.04 20:50:00 -
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Edited by: Roastedpot on 04/08/2009 20:50:35
Originally by: Grunt Futtoks Edited by: Grunt Futtoks on 04/08/2009 20:48:29
Originally by: Kan3r Blaze I hereby fully support this thread, especially since my petition on the matter was closed within 3 seconds of being submitted with a stock response.
You were able to target and aggress the reppers, and yet you whine. I'd give you a stock response too.
that is a known exploit, the agression was random, some of the reppers would become agressed then not a few moments later. and like kan3r said, not the point
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Weight What
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Posted - 2009.08.04 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Pajama Sam
Originally by: Weight What
Also, pirate tears jars are nearing capacity - please change for fresh receptacles soon
I don't really think he's crying about it. It's lame if a corp is using known exploits to save a tower and GM's aren't doing anything.
Then he should just petition them and let CCP deal with the alleged exploiters, surely? TBH it was this
Quote: Call your friends. Call your enemies. Call your ex-girl/boyfriend. Don't let another CAREBEAR get away with this bull****.
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Le Soltueur
Imperium Signal Corps Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2009.08.04 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Pajama Sam
Originally by: Weight What
Also, pirate tears jars are nearing capacity - please change for fresh receptacles soon
I don't really think he's crying about it. It's lame if a corp is using known exploits to save a tower and GM's aren't doing anything.
Quite corrent. No tears. Just making a point here. Their use of the exploit is a poor tactic in lieu of several isk-hungry griefers that would like to cash in on the modules - since we've already done all the hard work.
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Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.04 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Le Soltueur
Originally by: Pajama Sam
Originally by: Weight What
Also, pirate tears jars are nearing capacity - please change for fresh receptacles soon
I don't really think he's crying about it. It's lame if a corp is using known exploits to save a tower and GM's aren't doing anything.
Quite corrent. No tears. Just making a point here. Their use of the exploit is a poor tactic in lieu of several isk-hungry griefers that would like to cash in on the modules - since we've already done all the hard work.
They're not griefers, but I think complaining about either of the two issues any of this is pretty sad. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Whisper/PrismX 4 emperor |
Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.04 20:54:00 -
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I will add that, unfortunately, our hands were tied. I don't think any of us are enjoying this situation. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Whisper/PrismX 4 emperor |
DrunkenIrony
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Posted - 2009.08.04 20:56:00 -
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I'm not typically one to post on the forums, however..... If the GM's do in fact allow this tactic as valid they have set a precedent. An eve wide precedent allowing something in eve that is not supposing to happen. It creates an invincible POS, when I began playing this game I was taught that nothing is invincible. So here we sit, on the brink of a decision that will effect us all. Simply unacceptable in my book.
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Kan3r Blaze
Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.04 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Frug I will add that, unfortunately, our hands were tied. I don't think any of us are enjoying this situation.
Agreed. We don't have a beef with REPO guys in any way, shape or form.
Noir.
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Le Soltueur
Imperium Signal Corps Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2009.08.04 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: Kan3r Blaze
Originally by: Frug I will add that, unfortunately, our hands were tied. I don't think any of us are enjoying this situation.
Agreed. We don't have a beef with REPO guys in any way, shape or form.
Nor us.
It's never personal. Just business. The use of this alliance-dropping exploit, however, is just lame.
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Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.04 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: Kan3r Blaze
Originally by: Frug I will add that, unfortunately, our hands were tied. I don't think any of us are enjoying this situation.
Agreed. We don't have a beef with REPO guys in any way, shape or form.
This is not how we like to fight. It's probably not something you like doing either; teaming up with other alliances to blob a large tower. We didn't even have a PW for that tower at the time, which I imagine was pretty funny for you guys in the first engagement.
Unfortunately in situations like this, everyone is doing whatever they can to get the job done. We have been on the other side of a situation like this more than once.
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Roastedpot
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.04 21:03:00 -
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lol EVE MERCENARIES UNITE
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Jack Duce
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Posted - 2009.08.04 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: Le Soltueur Right now, there's an active dec against an alliance... we'll call this alliance "Blue Sky Consortium" and they have a really nice LARGE faction POS in Pimebeka at planet VII, Moon 12.
This large faction POS was fit with 24 online ECM jammers, a couple of warp scrams, a couple of webs, a single neut, and a bunch of torps - EVERYTHING IS FACTION on the tower.
So this "coallition" of mercenary alliances employed to remove this tower spent 8 hours BEATING on this thing last night. The owner used every exploit available, including hiring another merc alliance to help rep the pos (also an exploit), to no avail.
Shortly before 05:00 EVE this morning, the tower was put into reinforced for 1 day 17 hours. This means at 22:00 EVE this Wednesday, the tower comes out of reinforced.
Why am I telling you this?
Because the owner of the tower - Angelic Research and Development - quit the alliance to avoid losing the tower (also an exploit). And because there's a 24-hour cooldown period, we can't dec the corp in time to finish killing the tower. The soonest we'll be able to redec them is 20:00 on Wednesday - 2 hours before the tower comes out of reinforced - and the new dec won't take effect until 24 hours later giving them a full day to rep the tower unmolested. I CALL BULL****. Petitions have been filed, but as usual, the standard cut and paste responses were returned. I'll be pleasantly surprised in the GM's actually do something about this.
So here's the challenge:
If you're in a corp and you're bored and looking for something to do - dec these guys - Angelic Research and Development. We've done most of the hard work. The tower comes out of reinforced mode at 21:50 EVE on Wednesday. There's (loosely) about 4 billion isk worth of faction fittings on that tower you can claim as your own once the tower is destroyed.
Call your friends. Call your enemies. Call your ex-girl/boyfriend. Don't let another CAREBEAR get away with this bull****.
Solty.
English only please. Zymurgist
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Resdayn
Amarr Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.08.04 21:22:00 -
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You're lucky you made this post
This is how you counter this exploit, when you leave alliance, a second cool down will start, so if you leave alliance, say, 1 hour before the original cool down ends, there you go
Glad to help ____________________________________________________________
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.04 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kan3r Blaze I hereby fully support this thread, especially since my petition on the matter was closed within 3 seconds of being submitted with a stock response.
Now, I am a fast reader, but there is no way someone could have read my petition within that short space of time. The only arguement could be I wrote too much and it was tiresome to read it all.
I sense another rant coming on. What the hell is with the GMs in this game?
Killboard-Declarations of War Podcast |
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Awesome Possum
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.08.04 21:50:00 -
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Confirming this is all Creone's fault. ♥
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Kan3r Blaze
Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.04 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Jimer Lins
I sense another rant coming on. What the hell is with the GMs in this game?
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It was recorded on Sunday night and is spookily relevant...
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Noir.
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Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.04 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: Jimer Lins
I sense another rant coming on. What the hell is with the GMs in this game?
GMs have been consistent on this issue for a long time now. They're not at fault.
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.04 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Frug
Originally by: Jimer Lins
I sense another rant coming on. What the hell is with the GMs in this game?
GMs have been consistent on this issue for a long time now. They're not at fault.
Consistently closing petitions before it would be possible for a normal human to actually read it?
I agree, they've been pretty damn consistent there.
Killboard-Declarations of War Podcast |
DrunkenIrony
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Posted - 2009.08.04 22:35:00 -
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Agreed.
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Harrigan VonStudly
Imperium Signal Corps Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2009.08.04 22:46:00 -
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Do you suppose if our name was something, ooooooh, say, a shortened name for Robert that the GM's might have a real look at these exploits if it were happening to poor little Robert?
Quote: Confirming this is all Creone's fault.
^^^^ This
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Roastedpot
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.04 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Harrigan VonStudly Do you suppose if our name was something, ooooooh, say, a shortened name for Robert that the GM's might have a real look at these exploits if it were happening to poor little Robert?
Quote: Confirming this is all Creone's fault.
^^^^ This
why would it matter if you were called Rob?
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Resdayn
Amarr Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.08.04 22:55:00 -
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The leaving alliance thing is only petitionable if they do it repeatedly, if you look at my post above you'll see how to counter it, although you need to be in an alliance for it to work, I convo'd the OP ingame with El'Tar to let him know about this, so the pos is going to die ____________________________________________________________
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Harrigan VonStudly
Imperium Signal Corps Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2009.08.04 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Roastedpot
Originally by: Harrigan VonStudly Do you suppose if our name was something, ooooooh, say, a shortened name for Robert that the GM's might have a real look at these exploits if it were happening to poor little Robert?
Quote: Confirming this is all Creone's fault.
^^^^ This
why would it matter if you were called Rob?
Hrmph. My stupid sarcasm post foiled by forgetfulness of that name.
Carry on
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Htrag
The Carebear Stare
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Posted - 2009.08.04 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Duce Edited by: Jack Duce on 04/08/2009 21:28:34
English only please. Zymurgist
^^^ гомосексуалист You are areally thick. I said, i have 17 million isk, can i help.
fukin funny...
interesting thread
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Dixie
Imperium Signal Corps Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2009.08.04 23:06:00 -
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I have confirmed that no third party can declare war on this corporation for 24 hours or till the "grace" period is over. As far as an alliance that could declare war within 24 hours, its not possible either. An error will show up "You can not declare war against them. it might be that they have just disbanded or if it is a corporation, that they have just joined an alliance"
24 hours as a alliance and 48 as a corp they get an invulnerable tower for too long.
It is just stupid.
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Kan3r Blaze
Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.04 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Resdayn The leaving alliance thing is only petitionable if they do it repeatedly, if you look at my post above you'll see how to counter it, although you need to be in an alliance for it to work, I convo'd the OP ingame with El'Tar to let him know about this, so the pos is going to die
Yep, we thank you for the advice and are looking into it.
Upon further investigation the corp have joined and left the alliance on two other occasions:
Originally joined - 24th August 07 Left Alliance - 19th December 07 Joined again - 29th Feb 08 Left Alliance again - 4th August 09
Not hugely conclusive, but as they have no other alliance in their history it looks a little suss.
Noir.
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Resdayn
Amarr Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.08.04 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Dixie I have confirmed that no third party can declare war on this corporation for 24 hours or till the "grace" period is over. As far as an alliance that could declare war within 24 hours, its not possible either. An error will show up "You can not declare war against them. it might be that they have just disbanded or if it is a corporation, that they have just joined an alliance"
24 hours as a alliance and 48 as a corp they get an invulnerable tower for too long.
It is just stupid.
Read my post. ____________________________________________________________
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Turnbell
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Posted - 2009.08.04 23:44:00 -
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I lol'ed at this thread. I just imagine all the angry posters jumping up and down on there computer chairs like monkeys, banging there fists on their keyboard in primal-internet-driven rage.
PS DunkenIrony I love your personal vendetta driven war, its highly amusing to those of us not involved. It would be even funnier if you failed. Actually, I have money on you losing.
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Kan3r Blaze
Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.04 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: Turnbell I lol'ed at this thread. I just imagine all the angry posters jumping up and down on there computer chairs like monkeys, banging there fists on their keyboard in primal-internet-driven rage.
Don't mistake people wanting to get a job done for one of "angry posters jumping up and down".
Noir.
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Roastedpot
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.04 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kan3r Blaze
Originally by: Turnbell I lol'ed at this thread. I just imagine all the angry posters jumping up and down on there computer chairs like monkeys, banging there fists on their keyboard in primal-internet-driven rage.
Don't mistake people wanting to get a job done for one of "angry posters jumping up and down".
and dont underestimate noir. (and everyone else involved group effort/hug!)
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DrunkenIrony
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Posted - 2009.08.05 00:14:00 -
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Originally by: Turnbell
PS DunkenIrony I love your personal vendetta driven war, its highly amusing to those of us not involved. It would be even funnier if you failed. Actually, I have money on you losing.
Before you post wild accusations, maybe you should post on your main.
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Sheva Shacra
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Posted - 2009.08.05 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Le Soltueur ....including hiring another merc alliance to help rep the pos (also an exploit)....
since when is hiring another Merc Corp to rep the Tower an EXPLOIT ?!?!?!?!?!
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Oxana Ptotemkish
Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.05 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Sheva Shacra
Originally by: Le Soltueur ....including hiring another merc alliance to help rep the pos (also an exploit)....
since when is hiring another Merc Corp to rep the Tower an EXPLOIT ?!?!?!?!?!
I believe the issue there is covered in another thread with CCP stating it is an exploit as there are issues with the aggro mechanic working correctly (there is a bug). I'll leave it at that, as all parties involved are aware of this.
Let's focus on the issue of dropping an alliance to avoid the dec and save a POS.
-- Ox "The best education consists in immunizing people against systematic attempts at education."-- Paul Feyerabend |
Wotchadoin
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.08.05 01:09:00 -
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It's not he's just upset that he is not able to pew pew the POS. I say cry me a river build yourself a bridge and get over it. |
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Awesome Possum
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.08.05 01:25:00 -
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Originally by: Wotchadoin It's not he's just upset that he is not able to pew pew the POS. I say cry me a river build yourself a bridge and get over it.
http://eve-search.com/thread/1122039
CCP confirmation that this is still an exploit is on page 3.
By the way, the bug is described in the thread and it is exactly what happened last night.
Thank you, come again. ♥
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Le Soltueur
Imperium Signal Corps Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2009.08.05 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: Wotchadoin It's not he's just upset that he is not able to pew pew the POS. I say cry me a river build yourself a bridge and get over it.
That'd be a lot of tears. Post with your main. I'd love to extract them from you.
As for being upset about not being able to pew pew the pos, BZZZZT. FAIL answer. Wrong. Not upset by that at all because we -can- still pew-pew the tower. It's just going to take a little longer.
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Sheva Shacra
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Posted - 2009.08.05 01:41:00 -
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Edited by: Sheva Shacra on 05/08/2009 01:42:14
Originally by: Awesome Possum
Originally by: Wotchadoin It's not he's just upset that he is not able to pew pew the POS. I say cry me a river build yourself a bridge and get over it.
http://eve-search.com/thread/1122039
CCP confirmation that this is still an exploit is on page 3.
By the way, the bug is described in the thread and it is exactly what happened last night.
Thank you, come again.
that is so loly, over the whole fcki* 4 years now neutral pos are beeing repped from mercs or someone else and NOW its declared as an exploit ? this is really loly !
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.08.05 01:48:00 -
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Originally by: Sheva Shacra
Originally by: Le Soltueur ....including hiring another merc alliance to help rep the pos (also an exploit)....
since when is hiring another Merc Corp to rep the Tower an EXPLOIT ?!?!?!?!?!
I wondered this too.. Agro is buggy, sure.. But how are you supposed to rep your tower then? Rather than call it an exploit and be done with it, why don't they, you know, fix it?
Rather than leave my post at that I'll get on to the 'dropping alliance to save the tower' issue.. So what? Let them rep and re-arm it and then take it out next week when its going to cost them another weeks worth of Merc contract. Its not like the dec is going to cost you much this time and they cant just join an alliance to avoid the dec. If they re-join the alliance before then petition them for using a 'corp hopping' exploit as you will have evidence.
TL;DR: Cry me a river and get back to shooting ****.
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Awesome Possum
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.08.05 02:08:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Sheva Shacra Edited by: Sheva Shacra on 05/08/2009 01:42:14
Originally by: Awesome Possum
Originally by: Wotchadoin It's not he's just upset that he is not able to pew pew the POS. I say cry me a river build yourself a bridge and get over it.
http://eve-search.com/thread/1122039
CCP confirmation that this is still an exploit is on page 3.
By the way, the bug is described in the thread and it is exactly what happened last night.
Thank you, come again.
that is so loly, over the whole fcki* 4 years now neutral pos are beeing repped from mercs or someone else and NOW its declared as an exploit ? this is really loly !
Re-read the thread. It was declared an exploit in 2007. The thread was just a confirmation that it is still an exploit today.
And as you can see from reading the thread, I'm not happy about it. However, after seeing the bug in question last night, I can understand CCP's decision to consider it an exploit. ♥
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Sheva Shacra
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Posted - 2009.08.05 02:14:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum
Originally by: Sheva Shacra Edited by: Sheva Shacra on 05/08/2009 01:42:14
Originally by: Awesome Possum
Originally by: Wotchadoin It's not he's just upset that he is not able to pew pew the POS. I say cry me a river build yourself a bridge and get over it.
http://eve-search.com/thread/1122039
CCP confirmation that this is still an exploit is on page 3.
By the way, the bug is described in the thread and it is exactly what happened last night.
Thank you, come again.
that is so loly, over the whole fcki* 4 years now neutral pos are beeing repped from mercs or someone else and NOW its declared as an exploit ? this is really loly !
Re-read the thread. It was declared an exploit in 2007. The thread was just a confirmation that it is still an exploit today.
And as you can see from reading the thread, I'm not happy about it. However, after seeing the bug in question last night, I can understand CCP's decision to consider it an exploit.
wtf the Thread is from July 2009 and the statement from CCP Wrangler too ?!
if this is known since 2007, i was wondering why i didnt hear about before ? wtf is going on here, people are crying and CCP is jumping ... this is .. ahhh forget it. You made my Day !
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Awesome Possum
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.08.05 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: Sheva Shacra
man do you think im stupid, i dont read the whole thread, wtf i saw that the Thread is from July 2009 and the statement from CCP Wrangler too.
if this is known since 2007, i was wondering why i didnt hear about before ? wtf is going on here, people are crying and CCP is jumping ... this is .. ahhh forget it. You made my Day !
Cause I'm a nice guy.
Quote: exploit: neutrals remote repairing starbases at war reported by GM Spiral | 2007.06.20 14:34:00
Using remote armor repairers, remote hull repairers or remote shield transfer modules on a starbase belonging to a corporation that is at active war is now considered an exploit, if the pilots involved are not members of the corporation owning the starbase or members of a corporation in the same alliance.
Anyone utilizing this exploit to their advantage will face action from the GM team according to the rules laid out under the End Users License Agreement.
URL: http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/eula.asp
The EVE Online Customer Support Team
http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=1491&tid=1 ♥
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Roastedpot
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.05 02:20:00 -
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lana, wouldnt mind doing the pos reinforcing again, but 1/3 of a day to put one in reinforced had me having flashbacks to before capitals came into the game >.<..
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Sheva Shacra
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Posted - 2009.08.05 02:36:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum
Originally by: Sheva Shacra
man do you think im stupid, i dont read the whole thread, wtf i saw that the Thread is from July 2009 and the statement from CCP Wrangler too.
if this is known since 2007, i was wondering why i didnt hear about before ? wtf is going on here, people are crying and CCP is jumping ... this is .. ahhh forget it. You made my Day !
Cause I'm a nice guy.
Quote: exploit: neutrals remote repairing starbases at war reported by GM Spiral | 2007.06.20 14:34:00
Using remote armor repairers, remote hull repairers or remote shield transfer modules on a starbase belonging to a corporation that is at active war is now considered an exploit, if the pilots involved are not members of the corporation owning the starbase or members of a corporation in the same alliance.
Anyone utilizing this exploit to their advantage will face action from the GM team according to the rules laid out under the End Users License Agreement.
URL: http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/eula.asp
The EVE Online Customer Support Team
http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=1491&tid=1
Cmon, this is CRAP, if you rep an Neutral POS in Highsec you became flagged and can be killed by the wartargets, so whats the problem ? an considered Exploit or just for the time to put the POS in Reeinforced ?
and if the Bug / Exploit is still known since 2007 then its absolute embarrassing for CCP that we got today not a fix for whatever, because the aggro system works fine ?!
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Roastedpot
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.05 02:53:00 -
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Edited by: Roastedpot on 05/08/2009 02:54:42
Originally by: Sheva Shacra
Cmon, this is CRAP, if you rep an Neutral POS in Highsec you became flagged and can be killed by the wartargets, so whats the problem ? an considered Exploit or just for the time to put the POS in Reeinforced ?
and if the Bug / Exploit is still known since 2007 then its absolute embarrassing for CCP that we got today not a fix for whatever, because the aggro system works fine ?!
you are flagged randomly, you may be flagged and you may not. the example here is repo was repping the pos a Privateer gang warped in to kill them and couldnt until they themselves shot the pos (they were at war with the pos owners). so a few of the reppers got out. therefore clearly not fixed.. yell at ccp and accept that it IS STILL AN EXPLOIT
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Sheva Shacra
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Posted - 2009.08.05 02:58:00 -
[51]
maybe the didnt repped the POS ?! Hell, i dont know, in retrospect of playing eve for 3 years now i still got flagged all the time i supported a neutral pos. So its not my problem, im just scared that this is declared as an exploit.
Wish u luck. o/
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creone
Gallente Imperium Signal Corps
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Posted - 2009.08.05 03:00:00 -
[52]
Ok just for the record i am not at fault for this at the time this was happening i was dying.... If at first you dont succeed maybe you just SUCK!!!!! |
Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.05 03:09:00 -
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Edited by: Frug on 05/08/2009 03:12:39
Originally by: Roastedpot
you are flagged randomly, you may be flagged and you may not. the example here is repo was repping the pos a Privateer gang warped in to kill them and couldnt until they themselves shot the pos (they were at war with the pos owners). so a few of the reppers got out. therefore clearly not fixed.. yell at ccp and accept that it IS STILL AN EXPLOIT though not a very well known one
Not only is it not very well known, it is also not a big deal to shoot a single pos module every 15 minutes to keep them all blinking to you. While I do acknowledge this situation is unfavorable to all parties, I do believe complaining about it is rather sad. Coping with this 'exploit' is extremely easy, and we have done so without bothering to petition for ages now.
We haven't bothered petitioning it since they fixed it so that the reppers do at least get aggro. Back when reppers got no aggro at all it was a real exploit.
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Akimi Fuji
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Posted - 2009.08.05 03:20:00 -
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I'd send another petition explaining what happened and demand the GM escalate the petition to his supervisor and if he sends it back demand that he escalate it to the next higher authority. It's gotten things done before.
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Jared D'Uroth
Minmatar Universal Peace Operation
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Posted - 2009.08.05 04:23:00 -
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Originally by: Sheva Shacra maybe the didnt repped the POS ?! Hell, i dont know, in retrospect of playing eve for 3 years now i still got flagged all the time i supported a neutral pos. So its not my problem, im just scared that this is declared as an exploit.
Wish u luck. o/
I'm pretty sure my dog is smarter than you. ===
Originally by: Sidus Isaacs My instinct says troll, but there's this little nagging voice saying some people really are that dumb.
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Herty
The Sexy Carebear Boredom Convention
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Posted - 2009.08.05 04:34:00 -
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Does The Sexy Carebear Boredom Convention have to get involved in this and wtf boom boom pow Im so 2008 your so 2000 and late this place???
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Sheva Shacra
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Posted - 2009.08.05 05:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jared D'Uroth
Originally by: Sheva Shacra maybe the didnt repped the POS ?! Hell, i dont know, in retrospect of playing eve for 3 years now i still got flagged all the time i supported a neutral pos. So its not my problem, im just scared that this is declared as an exploit.
Wish u luck. o/
I'm pretty sure my dog is smarter than you.
That's the way the cookie crumbles. If you got no opinion to this Thread, dont troll.
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DrunkenIrony
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Posted - 2009.08.05 05:21:00 -
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I think you guys are getting too off subject with the RR of the neutral tower. It looks to me as though the OP is more concerned with how the holding corp pulled out of their alliance just to save the POS as exploiting game mechanics.
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.05 05:23:00 -
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Originally by: DrunkenIrony I think you guys are getting too off subject with the RR of the neutral tower. It looks to me as though the OP is more concerned with how the holding corp pulled out of their alliance just to save the POS as exploiting game mechanics.
Indeed. Neutral RR of the tower- yes, exploit. Yes, you should stop doing it. Not on topic.
This is about the target dropping alliance and exploiting wardec mechanics to try to save their tower.
Of course, ****ing off every merc corp in the game (-1) by pulling this kind of stunt isn't likely to end well for you.
Killboard-Declarations of War Podcast |
Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.08.05 07:11:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum Re-read the thread. It was declared an exploit in 2007. The thread was just a confirmation that it is still an exploit today.
I think we should get the CSM to demand either CCP list all of the exploits that you can get banned for someplace or set a time limit on them. It was re-confirmed in July this year, that nice.. In May this year I would have had no ****ing idea that it was ever an exploit as there's no way I can find a thread from 07 (which is before I started playing thew damn game) detailing it or even bother to look it up. 3 years should be enough of a time frame to fix a bug that has been determined to be an exploit.. Hell, 6 months should be enough..
So one of the following should happen. - Publish a list of banable exploits for all to see and follow. - Exploits are no longer banable after 6 months of being declared an exploit (with the exception of if it is RESTATED that they are still an exploit)
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Turnbell
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Posted - 2009.08.05 07:24:00 -
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Originally by: DrunkenIrony
Originally by: Turnbell
PS DunkenIrony I love your personal vendetta driven war, its highly amusing to those of us not involved. It would be even funnier if you failed. Actually, I have money on you losing.
Before you post wild accusations, maybe you should post on your main.
No Turnbell is the voice of me on the forums, in game I am another person. Its my way of coping, live with it.
As for wild accusations... lol
I love how much this war is getting to you. furthermore the fact that you are hiring mercs out to help your "cause" makes me all warm inside knowing you are putting so much into this conflict and can't succeed in any major breakthroughs.
though I need to thank you, there is rarely such juicy entertainment in Eve, I usually have to surf my WOL forums for such pleasurable conflict.
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Hellown
Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.08.05 08:03:00 -
[62]
This exact thing happened to us a little while back, we also got Sweet F-all help from the GMs, even after linking the post that said it was an exploit ect. One work around we came up with was have an alt-corp wardec the corp, then join your alliance, needs to be done fast tho because of the vote thing ect. GL guys
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RoriNeko
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Posted - 2009.08.05 08:16:00 -
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what a shame!!
working around the system and restrictions is
THE PERFECT STRATEGY OF ANY ONLINE RPG GAME!!
Face it and work through the system back in revenge then~~
STOP WHINING and FIGHT BACK using the system then
SHAME ON YOU!
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Gregor Vernof
Imperium Signal Corps Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2009.08.05 08:21:00 -
[64]
And another useless Alt speaks up, boring.
*** ... never let a good story die, click the... er, well damn the threads disappeared... the linkys don't work.... Ah well nevermind....
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.08.05 08:28:00 -
[65]
I keep coming in here to say I like the word 'craptastic', but this is the first time I have managed to do it without getting suckered in to replying...
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Wotchadoin
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.08.05 08:41:00 -
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I'm just suprised that you feel the need to hire so many mercs so take on a mining/manufacture corp. Do you feel all big and tough now DI, did you spend the stolen 8 billion isk in a way that gave you a warm fuzzy feeling?? If you can live with yourself then I guess it must be warm and fuzzy with you head stuck up your own A$$. |
Jimer Lins
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.05 08:59:00 -
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Originally by: Wotchadoin I'm just suprised that you feel the need to hire so many mercs so take on a mining/manufacture corp. Do you feel all big and tough now DI, did you spend the stolen 8 billion isk in a way that gave you a warm fuzzy feeling?? If you can live with yourself then I guess it must be warm and fuzzy with you head stuck up your own A$$.
Wait, what?
Stolen?
The thick plottens. Drama, will it ensue?
Killboard-Declarations of War Podcast |
Wotchadoin
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.08.05 09:04:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Jimer Lins
Originally by: Wotchadoin I'm just suprised that you feel the need to hire so many mercs so take on a mining/manufacture corp. Do you feel all big and tough now DI, did you spend the stolen 8 billion isk in a way that gave you a warm fuzzy feeling?? If you can live with yourself then I guess it must be warm and fuzzy with you head stuck up your own A$$.
Wait, what?
Stolen?
The thick plottens. Drama, will it ensue?
Oh you didn't know DrunkenIrony used to be part of this alliance he left taking with him 8 billion isk to fund his little personal vendetta. It's sad really he wanted to be a big shot with a tiny gun, now he's just a small shot ordering around the big guns guess it gives him a sense of compensation. For his pea shooter. Checkov? Well, this here's McCoy. We find a Spock, we got us an away team. |
Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.05 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Wotchadoin
Oh you didn't know DrunkenIrony used to be part of this alliance he left taking with him 8 billion isk to fund his little personal vendetta. It's sad really he wanted to be a big shot with a tiny gun, now he's just a small shot ordering around the big guns guess it gives him a sense of compensation. For his pea shooter.
While I'm actually still bothering to look here in eveo, I might as well confirm this. My understanding from the onset was that the noir/privateer/et al. pos shoot is being funded with stolen isk. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Whisper/PrismX 4 emperor |
Jimer Lins
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.05 09:14:00 -
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Heh. Well, it makes no difference in the end- Noir. will deliver the goods to the customer, whatever those goods might be, and whoever requested said goods for delivery and can pay for said delivery of said goods.
Couldn't really call ourselves "mercenaries" otherwise. ;)
Killboard-Declarations of War Podcast |
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Wotchadoin
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.08.05 09:35:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Jimer Lins Heh. Well, it makes no difference in the end- Noir. will deliver the goods to the customer, whatever those goods might be, and whoever requested said goods for delivery and can pay for said delivery of said goods.
Couldn't really call ourselves "mercenaries" otherwise. ;)
So by that standard if you were paid double what he paid you then you would turn on him and kill him?? Since merc's work for the highest bidder right? |
Tiny Tove
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Posted - 2009.08.05 09:47:00 -
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Edited by: Tiny Tove on 05/08/2009 09:47:44 I see no whine.
For the whinecallers out there, here is the coup.
A whine is what carebears do, and they do it as the very first port of call. Somebody flip your can? Whine. Somebody took your mission objective? Whine. Don't think. Don't try to find a resolution to your issue. Just whine. Right off the bat. Whine.
What Le Soultueur appears to be doing is asking for assistance to a long persistant problem, having explored all his alternatives, an appeal to the community is coming in as a late game option, so late in fact, it's probably too late.
See, there's the difference, is the Eve Post your first or your last action? It's the main tool for identifying if something is a whine or not.
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.05 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: Wotchadoin
Originally by: Jimer Lins Heh. Well, it makes no difference in the end- Noir. will deliver the goods to the customer, whatever those goods might be, and whoever requested said goods for delivery and can pay for said delivery of said goods.
Couldn't really call ourselves "mercenaries" otherwise. ;)
So by that standard if you were paid double what he paid you then you would turn on him and kill him?? Since merc's work for the highest bidder right?
Speaking for no other merc corp:
A customer, once an agreement has been reached, is a customer. To be a customer you must be able to pay the required fee, which you must negotiate. If you cannot pay the fee, you are not a customer. Where you get your ISK is not our business, and we really don't give a rat's ass.
Noir. has never (and will never) accept a "bribe" or "buyout" for a contract. There is literally not enough ISK in EVE to pay us to break our contract. You could get every character in the game to donate every ISK they have to you and offer it to Noir. to break a contract- in other words, turn on a customer- and it would. not. happen.
We are consummate professionals, and our reputation is our lifeblood. There is literally nothing you or anyone else can offer which would be enough of an incentive to trade that reputation away. Nothing. There is absolutely no lever large enough within this game to make that possible.
It's not personal. It's business, and in business your name is your life.
Killboard-Declarations of War Podcast |
Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.05 09:51:00 -
[74]
I remember why I stopped reading these forums now.
You people make my head hurt.
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.08.05 12:37:00 -
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Everytimes something like this happens and a petition is obviously not read or ignored yuo need to contact IA.
If nothing else it means that is something dodgy does turn out to have happened (probably exposed by players rather than CCCP) then its harder to whitewash everythig and sweep the mess under the carpet.
Papertrails FTW
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
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Fig Jam
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Posted - 2009.08.05 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: RedSplat
Papertrails FTW
Not very environmentally friendly. "Non repudiation audit trail" is probably a better term
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Alpha Dragh
Caldari Gemeinschaft interstellarer Soeldner
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Posted - 2009.08.05 13:18:00 -
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GIS has been contracted a couple of days ago to help defend the POS together with REPO and to engage Privateer targets.
We've been enjoing the short fights we've had so far and looking forward to some more elaborate pvp with you guys. Furthermore we know, the decision to leave the alliace has been taken directly by the customer. GIS advised against it, and we were prepairing for a difficult but interesting POS defence round against Noir., Underworld and Privateers although their pilot count is notably higher. Also, the task was even more complicated for us due to the fact of not being able to shoot at Noir. and Underworld in advance, because of the 24 hours delay of the wardec, and not to forget the timezone difference. Nevertheless the defense was well prepared but the customer has choosen another way of handling the situation.
Ultimately, this is the customer's decision and we will have to live with it and continue to provide the service of protection, we are getting paid for. As any good merc corp (and "player", in general) we will try to maximize our efficiency, acting within the rules defined for the game. If an action within the rules is not explicitly marked as an abuse/exploit (with the consequence of a game-ban), then it is a valid action.
We agree that the game mechanics involving leaving alliances midwar and neutral-repairing POSes are broken and definitely need some fixing by CCP and propose a brainstorming followed by a joint petition to CCP, signed by some of the best and well known merc corps in EVE.
This is what we are proposing:
- Leaving an alliance midwar should not be possible (or the war should continue a period of time (7Days) after leaving the alliance) - Neutral-Repairing POSes should flag the same way as repairing a ship involved in a war. (Fix the bug asap!) - CCP should publish a list of official bannable exploits, which should be also accessible within the game. - Fixing exploits should be the primary concern of CCP when developing new patches
thanks for Your attention and looking forward for some quality pew pew and ASAP solutions for the mentioned problems above!
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Jones Bones
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.05 13:29:00 -
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I've never seen a thread stating that leaving alliance that is at war is an exploit. It happens everyday. You guys chose a highsec target that had this option available to them, and yet you're angry they chose this option.
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SnootySneerMan
Amarr New Eden Combat Academy
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Posted - 2009.08.05 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Alpha Dragh GIS has been contracted a couple of days ago to help defend the POS together with REPO and to engage Privateer targets.
We've been enjoing the short fights we've had so far and looking forward to some more elaborate pvp with you guys. Furthermore we know, the decision to leave the alliace has been taken directly by the customer. GIS advised against it, and we were prepairing for a difficult but interesting POS defence round against Noir., Underworld and Privateers although their pilot count is notably higher. Also, the task was even more complicated for us due to the fact of not being able to shoot at Noir. and Underworld in advance, because of the 24 hours delay of the wardec, and not to forget the timezone difference. Nevertheless the defense was well prepared but the customer has choosen another way of handling the situation.
Ultimately, this is the customer's decision and we will have to live with it and continue to provide the service of protection, we are getting paid for. As any good merc corp (and "player", in general) we will try to maximize our efficiency, acting within the rules defined for the game. If an action within the rules is not explicitly marked as an abuse/exploit (with the consequence of a game-ban), then it is a valid action.
We agree that the game mechanics involving leaving alliances midwar and neutral-repairing POSes are broken and definitely need some fixing by CCP and propose a brainstorming followed by a joint petition to CCP, signed by some of the best and well known merc corps in EVE.
This is what we are proposing:
- Leaving an alliance midwar should not be possible (or the war should continue a period of time (7Days) after leaving the alliance) - Neutral-Repairing POSes should flag the same way as repairing a ship involved in a war. (Fix the bug asap!) - CCP should publish a list of official bannable exploits, which should be also accessible within the game. - Fixing exploits should be the primary concern of CCP when developing new patches
thanks for Your attention and looking forward for some quality pew pew and ASAP solutions for the mentioned problems above!
Alpha Dragh GIS PR
I wish I had read this one before I started my own post about natural repping. Alpha, that was well said and I agree with you on nearly every point.
The only point that I do disagree with is disallowing a corp from leaving an alliance that is dec'd as this will establish a griefing tactic that will be abused. Your second suggestion of extending the aggression period of the departing corp is the way to go I think.
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Drunk Driver
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.08.05 13:39:00 -
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Tower owners are cheating.
Simple as that.
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CyberRaver
Imperium Signal Corps
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Posted - 2009.08.05 14:30:00 -
[81]
Might be worth adding some extra collateral damage to the pos owners for the inconvenience
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Darlen Noeskh
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Posted - 2009.08.05 15:44:00 -
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1. Wait out 24hr surrender period. 2. Wardec corp. 3. Immediately retract. 4. Enjoy 24hrs of weapons-free. 5. Kill POS. 6. Profit???
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Tiny Tove
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Posted - 2009.08.05 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Darlen Noeskh 1. Wait out 24hr surrender period. 2. Wardec corp. 3. Immediately retract. 4. Enjoy 24hrs of weapons-free. 5. Kill POS. 6. Profit???
I thought that was just an urban legend.... I suppose it'll only cost two million to try....
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Zedrik Cayne
Gallente Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2009.08.05 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Tiny Tove
Originally by: Darlen Noeskh 1. Wait out 24hr surrender period. 2. Wardec corp. 3. Immediately retract. 4. Enjoy 24hrs of weapons-free. 5. Kill POS. 6. Profit???
I thought that was just an urban legend.... I suppose it'll only cost two million to try....
They've fixed that particular instant-war trick. Doing it that way will only get you a few minutes of live-guns. --
Originally by: "RedSplat" You're the internet equivalent of a Deepfried Mars bar filled with stupid.
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.05 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Darlen Noeskh 1. Wait out 24hr surrender period. 2. Wardec corp. 3. Immediately retract. 4. Enjoy 24hrs of weapons-free. 5. Kill POS. 6. Profit???
Tried it on main and test servers last night, aparently this is fixed or at least is for alliances.
The neutral repair of POS clearly isnt working like it's supposed to so and CCP has said as such, and that abusing the malfunction is an exploit. Not much discussion left there. It's not REPO's fault (or GIS's fault if they indeed intentend to get involved beyond their current dec vs Privateers) that their employer put them in a compromising position; it's the employers fault. The mercs were just doing their jobs to the best of their abilities given what they had to work with.
Now everyone involved has no excuse but to know better so we'll see where things go. I agree with a lot of what is in GIS's proposed proposal, though clearly it's going to take some kind of patch to fix and wont be able to resolve the current situation. I think that it encapsulates the spirit of those involved, except obviously the POS holder himself who has demonstrated that his internet space tower is more important than his alliance/friends, his accounts, or the accounts of REPO's/GIS' over 150 players.
My understanding from what Genos has posted and a few other theories that there's some "last hour" work arounds we can try on our end but I think it's pretty much understood the pos will be at least partially repaired and restronted before we can go through the war dec process again. Thems the breaks ---
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Molly Mischief
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Posted - 2009.08.05 17:11:00 -
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What I find most interesting about the whole situation is that all of the recent changes to the rules, sorry "clarifications" of the rules, seem to benefit merc/war corps. Things that have been going on for years are now suddenly forbidden (see also: alliance shields). It looks like their CSM rep is doing his best for them.
But this thread amounts to whine. If you're willing to accept the GM's ruling that some specific application of the tactic is forbidden, why can't you accept it when it goes against you?
I have the utmost respect for the professionalism these mercs usually display, but this post has crossed over into something else. If the game mechanics are being used against you, don't complain; find a solution. It looks like BSKY did.
As for DrunkenIrony, how about you post with YOUR main? How about Jebediah Beane or one of the other characters? It's hard to tell which one is the main. But I doubt any of them are your main... If you were half the man you seem to think you are (or at least the character you are portraying for this farce thinks he is), you wouldn't have hired the mercs less than an hour after you got killed. So much for skill and bravado. 10 bucks says you can't resist replying to this post in a hostile and aggressive manner that clearly demonstrates your Id10cy. You're just too much of a narcissist.
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Pajama Sam
Copia-WarRages Armaments
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Posted - 2009.08.05 17:19:00 -
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Edited by: Pajama Sam on 05/08/2009 17:19:29
Originally by: RoriNeko what a shame!! working around the system and restrictions is
AGAINST THE RULES!!
FTFY
Originally by: RoriNeko Face it and work through the system back in revenge then~~
If the system (GM's) do nothing, what are you supposed to do?
Originally by: RoriNeko STOP WHINING SHAME ON YOU!
Again, I haven't seen any post in this thread where he is whining about it.
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Kikki Di'je
Lay Low
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Posted - 2009.08.05 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Jones Bones I've never seen a thread stating that leaving alliance that is at war is an exploit. It happens everyday. You guys chose a highsec target that had this option available to them, and yet you're angry they chose this option.
Why CCP allows high sec POSes is beyond me.
Go search for that Imune thread.
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Dawts
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.05 17:38:00 -
[89]
I wasn't really interested in the POS bashing until now
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Awesome Possum
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.08.05 17:40:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Molly Mischief What I find most interesting about the whole situation is that all of the recent changes to the rules, sorry "clarifications" of the rules, seem to benefit merc/war corps. Things that have been going on for years are now suddenly forbidden (see also: alliance shields). It looks like their CSM rep is doing his best for them.
Considering Repo was hired to RR the POS, I'm going to have to say you're wrong. This cuts out a source of revenue for merc corps, especially Logistical Nightmare (to name drop).
Also, the exploit was set in 2007. It was clarified as still being an exploit weeks ago. My favourite cop quote is "Ignorance of the law is no excuse." ♥
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Malcolm Roberts
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Posted - 2009.08.05 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Le Soltueur If you're in a corp and you're bored and looking for something to do - dec these guys - Angelic Research and Development. We've done most of the hard work. The tower comes out of reinforced mode at 21:50 EVE on Wednesday. There's (loosely) about 4 billion isk worth of faction fittings on that tower you can claim as your own once the tower is destroyed.
I wonder how many war decs will result over the scramble for that loot, lol...
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Davinel Lulinvega
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Posted - 2009.08.05 18:06:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Kikki Di'je
Originally by: Jones Bones I've never seen a thread stating that leaving alliance that is at war is an exploit. It happens everyday. You guys chose a highsec target that had this option available to them, and yet you're angry they chose this option.
Why CCP allows high sec POSes is beyond me.
Go search for that Imune thread.
I don't feel like digging up the imune thread but I have this one bookmarked.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke!
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Dixie
Imperium Signal Corps Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2009.08.05 18:19:00 -
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At the end of the day you have a POS that the original intent was low sec, allowed in high sec which has become nearly invulnerable. I don't believe CCP wanted it to be so impossible/difficult to take a tower down. Based on how little this happens it should be good enough proof that some mechanic is now flawed.
With the introduction of faction towers and mods it was not made any easier. Pushing mechanics from battleships are possible, to dreads are nearly required.
The battle of empire is not even one of resources so having it much harder to kill is not going to help the cause and increase the percentage of towers killed over feuds etc.
At least in low sec the only thing leaving the alliance does is require the enemy to take a sec hit.
Regardless of this all, stuff will certainly die one way or another.
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DrunkenIrony
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Posted - 2009.08.05 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Molly Mischief
As for DrunkenIrony, how about you post with YOUR main? How about Jebediah Beane or one of the other characters? It's hard to tell which one is the main. But I doubt any of them are your main... If you were half the man you seem to think you are (or at least the character you are portraying for this farce thinks he is), you wouldn't have hired the mercs less than an hour after you got killed. So much for skill and bravado. 10 bucks says you can't resist replying to this post in a hostile and aggressive manner that clearly demonstrates your Id10cy. You're just too much of a narcissist.
I'll confirm that this indeed is my main. Feel free to contact me in game with questions/comments/gripes or even the weather if you wish. I'll be happy to discuss anything on your mind.
With that being said, let's keep it professional and on topic.
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Davinel Lulinvega
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Posted - 2009.08.05 18:25:00 -
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Also this thread should be renamed craptactics.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke!
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Faekurias
Raptus Regalitor
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Posted - 2009.08.05 18:28:00 -
[96]
Been there, done that :/ Balls man, balls -------------------------
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langaidin
GANK STARZ
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Posted - 2009.08.05 18:46:00 -
[97]
Originally by: DrunkenIrony
Originally by: Molly Mischief
As for DrunkenIrony, how about you post with YOUR main? How about Jebediah Beane or one of the other characters? It's hard to tell which one is the main. But I doubt any of them are your main... If you were half the man you seem to think you are (or at least the character you are portraying for this farce thinks he is), you wouldn't have hired the mercs less than an hour after you got killed. So much for skill and bravado. 10 bucks says you can't resist replying to this post in a hostile and aggressive manner that clearly demonstrates your Id10cy. You're just too much of a narcissist.
I'll confirm that this indeed is my main. Feel free to contact me in game with questions/comments/gripes or even the weather if you wish. I'll be happy to discuss anything on your mind.
With that being said, let's keep it professional and on topic.
I can also confirm that DrunkenIrony or Drunk as many call him is his main. (He's been around a while and peeps know him, even if he doesn't post on the forums much)
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Dawts
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.05 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: DrunkenIrony
Originally by: Molly Mischief
As for DrunkenIrony, how about you post with YOUR main? How about Jebediah Beane or one of the other characters? It's hard to tell which one is the main. But I doubt any of them are your main... If you were half the man you seem to think you are (or at least the character you are portraying for this farce thinks he is), you wouldn't have hired the mercs less than an hour after you got killed. So much for skill and bravado. 10 bucks says you can't resist replying to this post in a hostile and aggressive manner that clearly demonstrates your Id10cy. You're just too much of a narcissist.
I'll confirm that this indeed is my main. Feel free to contact me in game with questions/comments/gripes or even the weather if you wish. I'll be happy to discuss anything on your mind.
With that being said, let's keep it professional and on topic.
Confirming Molly owes this man $10.00
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Miyamoto Isoruku
Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.05 19:51:00 -
[99]
Ultimately, what this whole mess demonstrates is that large hi-sec POSses are broken. There is entirely too much reward for entirely too little risk, and that is a bad thing. CCP needs to find some way to remove them from the game (providing appropriate warning to High-sec POS owners and returning their POSses/mods to hangars, of course). The fact that it took 8 hours for the three largest mercenary corporations in the game to reinforce a POS is just nuts.
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Taram Caldar
GK inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.05 23:00:00 -
[100]
endless pages of debate about a topic that's cut and dry 1) Neutrals repping a pos is an exploit 2) Dropping alliance to save a pos from destruction in a war dec is an exploit
No matter how you slice it or how you WANT it to be, those are both exploits. From what the thread has disclosed there is no ifs, ands, or buts: The targets, whoever they are, broke the rules of the game and the GM's should, by all rights, intervene.
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Sheva Shacra
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Posted - 2009.08.05 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: Taram Caldar 2) Dropping alliance to save a pos from destruction in a war dec is an exploit
No matter how you slice it or how you WANT it to be, those are both exploits. From what the thread has disclosed there is no ifs, ands, or buts: The targets, whoever they are, broke the rules of the game and the GM's should, by all rights, intervene.
Give me a link to an official Statement from CCP to ur second statement. Thx.
All i know is that this is an exploit if u do it more then one time. An Alliance that is at war and a Corp POS that is beeing attacked can leave the Alliance to avoid the pos to be destroyed. If this Corp joins the Alliance a couple of Days later if the war is over, then can u petition it.
If i'm wrong, give me something official please :)
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Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.05 23:39:00 -
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Edited by: Frug on 05/08/2009 23:41:58
Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku Ultimately, what this whole mess demonstrates is that large hi-sec POSses are broken. There is entirely too much reward for entirely too little risk, and that is a bad thing. CCP needs to find some way to remove them from the game (providing appropriate warning to High-sec POS owners and returning their POSses/mods to hangars, of course). The fact that it took 8 hours for the three largest mercenary corporations in the game to reinforce a POS is just nuts.
You should see what happens when the pos is properly defended. We could have saved it had the client been around.
Dreads are the proper counter to a large pos, so where there are no dreads, I would agree, there should be no large posses.
C'est la vie.
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The PitBoss
Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.05 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Frug You should see what happens when the pos is properly defended. We could have saved it had the client been around.
BUT you are saving it for the client ....
ONE piece at a time ...
I hope you're gonna give those mods back you're hauling away
Thank-You,
The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss)
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Future Mutant
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.08.05 23:50:00 -
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Let me give you the short version of the op... we tried to kill a tower- but couldnt. Everything anyone but us does is an exploit. That tower should of died instantly because we want it dead. Fixing a tower- exploit. Not letting your tower die- exploit Not standing still while we kill you- exploit leaving an alliance- exploit joining an alliance- exploit being wardeced but not self destructing your ships- exploit
Yep thats about it- hey why not try this for a change- if you want to destroy ppl in highsec- maybe find a corp that wants to fight. Its a thought. NEWSFLASH- corps that dont want to fight you in highsec will go out of their way to not fight you in highsec!! Who would of guessed?
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The PitBoss
Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.05 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: Future Mutant
NEWSFLASH- corps that dont want to fight you in highsec will go out of their way to not fight you in highsec!!
NEWSFLASH ... its down
Thank-You,
The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss)
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Hellown
Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.08.06 00:02:00 -
[106]
Congrats on the take down, glad the exploiters didnt get away with it, enjoy your faction mods :)
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Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.06 00:04:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Future Mutant Let me give you the short version of the op... we tried to kill a tower- but couldnt. Everything anyone but us does is an exploit. That tower should of died instantly because we want it dead. Fixing a tower- exploit. Not letting your tower die- exploit Not standing still while we kill you- exploit leaving an alliance- exploit joining an alliance- exploit being wardeced but not self destructing your ships- exploit
It's because of these gray areas, and the fact that every party involved in this situation has used every 'exploit' at his disposal in order to get the job done, that I've said from the beginning that whining about exploits is sad. There's no other way to do it.
In my opinion nobody should have begun the petitioning and exploit whines, and this whole irritating thread could have been avoided. We were in a similar spot not long ago, with neutral reppers, alliance leavers, etc. and everyone dealt with it quietly. I suppose next time you'll be more used to how these ops go.
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Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.06 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: The PitBoss
Originally by: Future Mutant
NEWSFLASH- corps that dont want to fight you in highsec will go out of their way to not fight you in highsec!!
NEWSFLASH ... its down
Congrats.
Bastard.
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.08.06 00:05:00 -
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Tower is down, thanks to Genos for the work around. GIS, good show.
REPO good try, lol at Frug ninja looting repaired guns. That going back to your employer, or do you need to keep it? And by the way, it WILL be talked about on the podcast this week, so deposit all tears into conveniently sized cups. ---
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Tiny Tove
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Posted - 2009.08.06 00:07:00 -
[110]
Sounds like they got what they deserved.
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Alpha Dragh
Caldari Gemeinschaft interstellarer Soeldner
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Posted - 2009.08.06 00:12:00 -
[111]
We were in position, however (although I am not 100% sure it's correct) we understood that neutral-repping a tower, while it's corp is in a war is (officially?) considered an exploit and we decided not to cross that line.
Our "enemies" have found a way to extend the war period 24hrs, so we stayed away from the tower.
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Roastedpot
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.08.06 00:14:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Alpha Dragh We were in position, however (although I am not 100% sure it's correct) we understood that neutral-repping a tower, while it's corp is in a war is (officially?) considered an exploit and we decided not to cross that line.
Our "enemies" have found a way to extend the war period 24hrs, so we stayed away from the tower.
good show G.I.S. lots of respect, i had no idea who you were until a few days ago, and i like ya so far :)
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Lee Dalton
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.08.06 00:20:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Alpha Dragh We were in position, however (although I am not 100% sure it's correct) we understood that neutral-repping a tower, while it's corp is in a war is (officially?) considered an exploit and we decided not to cross that line.
Our "enemies" have found a way to extend the war period 24hrs, so we stayed away from the tower.
Because GIS are not decced to Noir. or WHACK, this would be an exploit. Citation: http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=1491&tid=1
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.08.06 00:27:00 -
[114]
a PS to this, according to Genos the dropping alliance to extend a war dec is fine but i think it should be added to the list of things that need to get fixed. There's WAY too much room for abuse on both ends of this mechanic. ---
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IvyRose
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Posted - 2009.08.06 02:45:00 -
[115]
i have no reason to post here im sorry :\
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DrunkenIrony
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Posted - 2009.08.06 02:47:00 -
[116]
/me faceplants
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Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.06 03:20:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde
REPO good try, lol at Frug ninja looting repaired guns. And by the way, it WILL be talked about on the podcast this week, so deposit all tears into conveniently sized cups.
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Ghurthe
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Posted - 2009.08.06 05:10:00 -
[118]
Exploit exploit exploit. Boo hoo hoo. It's a highsec Pos it'll be a ***** to kill anyway, deal with the fact that war declarations are annoying. They can keep paying to form new alliances and swap alliances. Basically you'll be getting in a bidding war over whether you can wardec them or not.
It can happen, oh well deal with it.
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DrunkenIrony
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Posted - 2009.08.06 05:22:00 -
[119]
Well sir, I think you've failed to read this thread in its entirety to understand game mechanics, and the exploits of such. I think you've also failed to read where the tower has ceased to exist.
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Grimpak
Gallente Noir.
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Posted - 2009.08.06 05:25:00 -
[120]
Originally by: DrunkenIrony Well sir, I think you've failed to read this thread in its entirety to understand game mechanics, and the exploits of such. I think you've also failed to read where the tower has ceased to exist.
and it ceased to exist in a very unspectacular way.
i mean, wtf ccp? fix the goddam fireworks ---
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Roastedpot
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.08.06 05:27:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: DrunkenIrony Well sir, I think you've failed to read this thread in its entirety to understand game mechanics, and the exploits of such. I think you've also failed to read where the tower has ceased to exist.
and it ceased to exist in a very unspectacular way.
i mean, wtf ccp? fix the goddam fireworks
i suspect it was as exausted as we were after reinforcing it, therefore a poof rather than a kaboom
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DrunkenIrony
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Posted - 2009.08.06 05:30:00 -
[122]
/me highfives Grimpak on that last statement.
/signed
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SnootySneerMan
Amarr New Eden Combat Academy
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Posted - 2009.08.06 11:16:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Taram Caldar endless pages of debate about a topic that's cut and dry 1) Neutrals repping a pos is an exploit 2) Dropping alliance to save a pos from destruction in a war dec is an exploit
No matter how you slice it or how you WANT it to be, those are both exploits. From what the thread has disclosed there is no ifs, ands, or buts: The targets, whoever they are, broke the rules of the game and the GM's should, by all rights, intervene.
This made me laugh. I guess forums are not the place to state your opinion or discuss EVE in an effort to form a consensus and perhaps institute change.
Yes, yes, let us all cancel our forum accounts because Taram has now instructed us all in the "facts" and intelligent discussion on the matter is no longer warranted.
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Tobarg Shh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.08.06 13:21:00 -
[124]
I have 17 mil, can I help?
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Taram Caldar
GK inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.06 14:52:00 -
[125]
Edited by: Taram Caldar on 06/08/2009 14:55:09
Originally by: SnootySneerMan
Originally by: Taram Caldar endless pages of debate about a topic that's cut and dry 1) Neutrals repping a pos is an exploit 2) Dropping alliance to save a pos from destruction in a war dec is an exploit
No matter how you slice it or how you WANT it to be, those are both exploits. From what the thread has disclosed there is no ifs, ands, or buts: The targets, whoever they are, broke the rules of the game and the GM's should, by all rights, intervene.
This made me laugh. I guess forums are not the place to state your opinion or discuss EVE in an effort to form a consensus and perhaps institute change.
Yes, yes, let us all cancel our forum accounts because Taram has now instructed us all in the "facts" and intelligent discussion on the matter is no longer warranted.
Show me where intelligent discussion rather than people pointing out facts of the rules and then other people going 'yeah but what if' was going on and I'd agree with you. All I've seen in this thread is people point out that a couple exploits were used to try to protect the pos and a bunch of people going 'but it shouldn't be an exploit' or just blatant flaming and calling each other whiners.
Fact is: If you don't think it should be an exploit there's a forum for that discussion ;) It's over there ->>
Bottom line is the GM's have deemed both actions an exploit and debating it amongst oursevels does 2 things: Jack, and ****. The mechanic is broken, deliberately abusing the mechanic is an exploit. Till it's ruled otherwise.
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Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.06 15:28:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Taram Caldar No matter how you slice it or how you WANT it to be, those are both exploits. From what the thread has disclosed there is no ifs, ands, or buts: The targets, whoever they are, broke the rules of the game and the GM's should, by all rights, intervene.
Originally by: Sheva Shacra Give me a link to an official Statement from CCP to ur second statement. Thx. All i know is that this is an exploit if u do it more then one time. An Alliance that is at war and a Corp POS that is beeing attacked can leave the Alliance to avoid the pos to be destroyed. If this Corp joins the Alliance a couple of Days later if the war is over, then can u petition it. If i'm wrong, give me something official please :)
Originally by: Taram Caldar Show me where intelligent discussion rather than people pointing out facts of the rules and then other people going 'yeah but what if' was going on and I'd agree with you. All I've seen in this thread is people point out that a couple exploits were used to try to protect the pos and a bunch of people going 'but it shouldn't be an exploit' or just blatant flaming and calling each other whiners. hurf blurf durka durka etc etc
God you're stupid.
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shuckstar
Gallente Hauling hogs
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Posted - 2009.08.06 15:44:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Le Soltueur Because the owner of the tower - Angelic Research and Development - quit the alliance to avoid losing the tower (also an exploit). Solty.
So is it a EXPLOIT for corps to leave a alliance thats at war now?
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DrunkenIrony
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Posted - 2009.08.06 15:55:00 -
[128]
Originally by: shuckstar
Originally by: Le Soltueur Because the owner of the tower - Angelic Research and Development - quit the alliance to avoid losing the tower (also an exploit). Solty.
So is it a EXPLOIT for corps to leave a alliance thats at war now?
The corp left the alliance explicitly to SAVE the tower. The tower was to come out of reinforced 2 hours after the 24 hour cool down period.
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Resdayn
Amarr Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.08.06 15:58:00 -
[129]
CCP only class it as an exploit if it's done multiple times ____________________________________________________________
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Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.06 16:14:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Resdayn CCP only class it as an exploit if it's done multiple times
Confirming that you are correct, and that someone already said that earlier.
Even though there is nothing in this thread but people saying "yeah but what if" and no actual discussion, and that the "Bottom line is the GM's have deemed both actions an exploit"
Nothing more to see here.
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Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.06 16:20:00 -
[131]
Edited by: Frug on 06/08/2009 16:21:22
Also confirming that there are at least 3 ways to cope with a corporation leaving, one of which was used, and another one of which is probably (definitely) an exploit that has not quite been addressed by CCP yet. Leave it to you to figure out what those are.
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DrunkenIrony
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Posted - 2009.08.06 16:36:00 -
[132]
Heh, what I found most frustrating is that CCP has been busy with the forums closing threads and such (so they are active) and failed to respond to this one. *shrugs*
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Misanth
Reaper Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.07 00:48:00 -
[133]
Originally by: DrunkenIrony Heh, what I found most frustrating is that CCP has been busy with the forums closing threads and such (so they are active) and failed to respond to this one. *shrugs*
..because forum mods = game developers?
Either case this is a pretty good thread, exceptional for C&P. Alot of positive discussion. And alot of stupid posts from people that don't understood game mechanics. Had a bunch of lols at the people that tried to defend the 'dropping of alliance' by saying it's no exploit.. but failing to see the timers involved, and what effect that has on POS timers, etc.
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Taram Caldar
GK inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.07 00:53:00 -
[134]
Edited by: Taram Caldar on 07/08/2009 00:54:55 Edited by: Taram Caldar on 07/08/2009 00:54:05
Originally by: Frug
Originally by: Taram Caldar No matter how you slice it or how you WANT it to be, those are both exploits. From what the thread has disclosed there is no ifs, ands, or buts: The targets, whoever they are, broke the rules of the game and the GM's should, by all rights, intervene.
Originally by: Sheva Shacra Give me a link to an official Statement from CCP to ur second statement. Thx. All i know is that this is an exploit if u do it more then one time. An Alliance that is at war and a Corp POS that is beeing attacked can leave the Alliance to avoid the pos to be destroyed. If this Corp joins the Alliance a couple of Days later if the war is over, then can u petition it. If i'm wrong, give me something official please :)
Originally by: Taram Caldar Show me where intelligent discussion rather than people pointing out facts of the rules and then other people going 'yeah but what if' was going on and I'd agree with you. All I've seen in this thread is people point out that a couple exploits were used to try to protect the pos and a bunch of people going 'but it shouldn't be an exploit' or just blatant flaming and calling each other whiners. hurf blurf durka durka etc etc
God you're stupid.
They've left the alliance before, Frug, and then rejoined shortly thereafter... never having joined a different alliance in the meantime.... if it was during a Wardec that would make this a repeat offense, thus an exploit. Might want to, once again, check your facts before popping off.
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Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.07 02:32:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Taram Caldar They've left the alliance before, Frug, and then rejoined shortly thereafter... never having joined a different alliance in the meantime.... if it was during a Wardec that would make this a repeat offense, thus an exploit.
Ahh Taram, Taram... It takes stupidity and sophistry of staggering amounts to get me to leave my muted tone in this thread behind. Congratulations for making statements so mentally deficient that I can't resist pointing it out yet again.
God you're stupid.
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DrunkenIrony
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Posted - 2009.08.07 07:31:00 -
[136]
Edited by: DrunkenIrony on 07/08/2009 07:32:00 Since when is rejoining 2 months later considered a short time?
/me thumps Taram on the head with a probe launcher.
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ShadowMaiden
Amarr Divine Radiance
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Posted - 2009.08.07 10:54:00 -
[137]
ITT - we rage about pixels and try to sound like real army men.
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Awesome Possum
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.08.08 18:48:00 -
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Want to know what's stupid?
1. Bumping a thread on page 2-3 (i was moving, sorry)
2. Taking a contract, and neutral rep'ing this POS despite knowing it was an exploit.
3. Admitting in this very thread that you knew neutral rep'ing a POS was an exploit before taking this contract. Admitting to having done the same in the past.
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Chaosmancer
Gravis Unbound
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Posted - 2009.08.09 14:16:00 -
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K, I might be wrong now, but isn't leaving a corp to avoid a wardec concidered an exploit? And in that case, why should leaving an alliance to avoid the war not be one?
Anyway, nice work getting the tower in the end.
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Agent Known
Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.08.09 16:50:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Chaosmancer K, I might be wrong now, but isn't leaving a corp to avoid a wardec concidered an exploit? And in that case, why should leaving an alliance to avoid the war not be one?
Anyway, nice work getting the tower in the end.
As it's been pointed out, it's not an exploit unless done multiple times. Jumping to a new corp and disbanding the old one to dodge a wardec IS an exploit, though.
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Le Soltueur
Imperium Signal Corps Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2009.08.09 23:32:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Chaosmancer K, I might be wrong now, but isn't leaving a corp to avoid a wardec concidered an exploit? And in that case, why should leaving an alliance to avoid the war not be one?
Anyway, nice work getting the tower in the end.
Cheers mate. It was nice to see the tower go down like a cheap ***** after all that.
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Fig Jam
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Posted - 2009.08.10 04:56:00 -
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Well, finding myself in a similar situation to the tower's owners I came up with a plan to allow neutrals to RR the POS.
I created a petition explaining my plan and obtained approval from a GM to use said plan.
Unfortunately the tower was never attacked so I didn't get to put this plan into effect. The results would have been most entertaining I think
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Alekseyev Karrde
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Posted - 2009.08.10 07:47:00 -
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Taram > Frug ---
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Awesome Possum
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Posted - 2009.08.10 15:47:00 -
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Confirming that Alek only has to look at his hand if he ever gets lost. ♥
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Roastedpot
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.10 19:07:00 -
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or lonely
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Posted - 2009.08.10 19:26:00 -
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I never look at my hand, the shame is too unbearable to see. ♥
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