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pimania
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2009.08.06 17:28:00 -
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I'm really clueless any help would be appreciated. I though i could strap a couple of railguns on my ship but apparantly I cant?
I have no cash to buy expensive weapons its taken forever to get to this stage.
A girl needs protection on the cheap, any ideas?
thanks
Pimania
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Duff Lite
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Posted - 2009.08.06 17:35:00 -
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If you are talking about protecting yourself from NPCs you will want to use drones. Train drones to 5 and get some basic supporting skills (drone interfacing, scout drones for T2, etc).
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Magnus Orin
Minmatar Heavy Influence Atropos.
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Posted - 2009.08.06 17:35:00 -
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From NPCs?
Drones.
Even 1 drone should eat away the rats fast enough if you are in .7 security space.
Work on getting drones to V and you can pretty much ignore all npcs and let your drones auto agress them all.
From Players?
Hopefully you are not using your retriever in low sec or 0.0
Retrievers usually do not make good suicide targets as they are only worth 5 mil and easily replaceable.
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pimania
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2009.08.06 21:40:00 -
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Ok I get it, should I just use Acolyte 1d rones or shoud I get something better?
Also, is there an automatic way to get them to protect me rather than have to make them engage target etc?
thanks
pi
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Magnus Orin
Minmatar Heavy Influence Atropos.
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Posted - 2009.08.06 21:55:00 -
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Edited by: Magnus Orin on 06/08/2009 21:57:05 use hobgoblin Is
as soon as you start mining, pull them out and keep them out. They will agress anything that shoots your ship.
work on getting drones to V if you dont have it already, then scout drones to V. then you can train for tech 2 small drones, which will be even better and faster at killing.
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i also find it helpful to keybind a couple drone shortcuts. i use these on all my accounts on all characters.
All drones engage target: Alt-1 All drones return & Orbit: Alt-2 All drones return to bay: Alt-3
you can bind these by hitting escape and going to keybinds.
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Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2009.08.06 22:36:00 -
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Against players there's no defense, the Retriever is simply too paper-thin to survive a determined attack.
Against NPCs in high-sec space, small shield booster and/or a few light scout drones should be sufficient.
If you leave your drones out, they will auto-attack the NPCs, but you run the risk of the NPC choosing them as targets and blowing them up. If you keep them in the bay until the NPC's appear, you can let the NPCs get close and start shooting you (repair your shields with the shield booster), then launch the drones to blow them up and the drones will do the job fast and will not be targetted / damaged.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2009.08.06 22:45:00 -
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Retriever couldn't survive a halfassed attack let alone a good one And did you know that this is in fact Surfin's Plunderbunny's forum alt? It's official! |
Billia
Little Fuzzy Creatures of Mayhem and Destruction Emergence.
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Posted - 2009.08.06 23:42:00 -
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I had to mine just like every other starting miner in a retriever for a good 30 days until u can get the hulk, I found that drones 3 is at the lvl where u can kill the npc's before they hurt ur armor. so just upgrade ur drones to lvl 5 and once u have it at lvl 3 u should be ok, but if u have less than drones lvl 3 i suggest u warp out when rats get there until u have a higher lvl.
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Pan Dora
Caldari The Maverick Navy Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.07 00:50:00 -
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Agaisnt very weak NPCs ddrones... againt weak npcs maybe drones... againt enything else you need to not be there when the atack hit _
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Agerith
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Posted - 2009.08.07 01:53:00 -
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The retriever has zero tankability...and you wouldn't have wanted to waist a high slot on a gun anyway...too much ore lost in that deal. Everyone is correct about the drones...but as it has been said before if you can't afford to replace it don't fly it cause odds are good that's when the pain comes. IMO I don't think you will have too much trouble just stay in high sec and build the isk and skills. Contact me on game if you need more advice, I'm on evry morning and again each night. (sigh) All those playable hours waisted on real life. |
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Toxif
Minmatar First Slave Corporation
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Posted - 2009.08.07 04:49:00 -
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Safest place to mine, hands down, is 0.0 - assuming you're in an alliance with decent intel/infrastructure/logistics.
As for high sec, as an above poster said, Retrievers aren't worth ganking; however, if there's a mining op with several of them, even I would drop 30mil (or however much it costs) to throw together a disco geddon. ____________________________________________________________
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Cyprus Black
Caldari 4 wing Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.08.07 06:26:00 -
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If you're mining in high sec, the threat comes from belt rats. Rats in high sec are pretty weak and go down easily. A handful of drones can take care of them. You should really train up drones to level 5. It's one of those skills everyone needs sooner or later in their EvE career.
In low and null sec you'll have a much harder time because the belt rats are stronger and player pirates lurk in the shadows. Your best defense in low/null sec is to watch local for other players and keep your ship aligned and ready to warp away should trouble arise.
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Gartel Reiman
Civis Romanus Sum Pax Romana Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.07 08:01:00 -
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Also - remember that in 0.9 and 1.0 security systems, there are no belt rats at all so you can mine away in peace without being hassled by them.
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Celia Therone
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Posted - 2009.08.07 13:47:00 -
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Be aware that if you choose to do mining missions then five drones may not be enough to protect a retriever even in high sec. For high sec belts I agree that three is a pretty good number and five is obviously much better.
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pimania
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2009.08.07 20:33:00 -
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thanks all, ive got 5 drones on the go, i just need my drones to get to lvl 5
looks like ill be saving for a hulk, is it possible to put big guns on that one?
thanks
pi
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Corozan Aspinall
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Posted - 2009.08.07 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: pimania thanks all, ive got 5 drones on the go, i just need my drones to get to lvl 5
looks like ill be saving for a hulk, is it possible to put big guns on that one?
thanks
pi
4 will do the job ok, lv 5 takes a while. I would ensure it is one of the skills you train during your 100% bonus period however. Get scout drones, depending on where you are, try to tailor the damage type they dish out to the weakness of the local rats. You may not be aware, but medium drones use twice the bandwidth of light ones, so don't be tempted to get 'bigger' drones, its not actually better at this point in your career ..
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Devine13
Nomad LLP
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Posted - 2009.08.07 21:31:00 -
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Edited by: Devine13 on 07/08/2009 21:33:44 Edited by: Devine13 on 07/08/2009 21:32:56
Originally by: pimania
looks like ill be saving for a hulk, is it possible to put big guns on that one?
No guns on a hulk. Sorry. However, they can field 5 medium drones at a time, unlike the retriever which can only use 5 light drones max due to bandwidth restrictions.
In high sec, the medium drones are not necessary as 5 light drones will make short work of any belt rat, but if you do venture into low/null sec then medium drones are a better bet.
Edit: Spelling/grammar errors.
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Jim Nakamura
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Posted - 2009.08.08 07:31:00 -
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Drone "sizes" are better against different targets (and almost completely ineffectual against smaller ones) in the same way as different sized launchers/guns are.
Light drones vs. frigates Medium drones vs. cruisers Heavy drones vs. battleships
Most (all?) belt rats in highsec are frigate-sized, so light drones are all you need.
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Yarinor
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Posted - 2009.08.08 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Magnus Orin Edited by: Magnus Orin on 06/08/2009 21:57:05 use hobgoblin Is
Please stop giving out bad advice to newer players, the correct answer would be to ask which rats where were up against and pick the racial drone that does the most efficient damagetype.
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Iria Ahrens
Amarr 101st Space Marine Force Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.08.08 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Nakamura Drone "sizes" are better against different targets (and almost completely ineffectual against smaller ones) in the same way as different sized launchers/guns are.
Light drones vs. frigates Medium drones vs. cruisers Heavy drones vs. battleships
Most (all?) belt rats in highsec are frigate-sized, so light drones are all you need.
I've found Mediums pretty good as a catch-all. They do great damage vs everything. I dunno if that's due to my drone skills and drone ship bonus, but that's what I've found.
But as the drone guide said somewhere. A full flight of the same type is best. Better 5 smalls than 2 mediums and a small. --
Nobody expects the Amarr Inquisition!
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pimania
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2009.08.09 09:11:00 -
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thanks all, the light drones im using seem to be making light work of any enemys that attack me, in fact they kill them off really quick usually about 3 hits!
pi
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Ronan Astrum
Sesquipedalian DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.08.10 00:28:00 -
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You've all been duped. There are no girls on my interwebs.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2009.08.10 12:38:00 -
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There's a whole slew of drone skills - but after Drones and Scout Drones - Drone Interfacing gives you the most punch. 20% increase in damage or mining done PER LEVEL. Compared to many other skills that give you 2-3% increases per level - this is great - and well worth getting to Level V despite the wait.
At 100% increase in damage - one drone is doing as much damage as two, 5 as much as 10. They will flat chew through NPC rats in no time and may well be enough to protect you against a weak player.
Also, don't forget your support skills.
Shield Management increases the amount of your shields. Shield Operation increases their recharge rate. Mechanic increases your hull hit points. Hull Upgrades increases your armor.
Now as to which drones to use ...
Hobgoblins do Thermal damage and Thermal damage is fairly effective against most NPC's. So it's kind of the General Purpose damage type.
But - if you know what type of rats you will be engaging - and the belt rats will always be the same for your area of space - then you can pick the type that does the most damage to those rats. If you are Gallente - the Hobgoblin IS the Gallente Drone and should be the most effective against the rats you'll run into in Gallente Space.
Mostly it doesn't matter though. High Sec Belt rats are really weak. Five Scout Drones of any type should be good.
Once you get etiher a Covetor or a Hulk - they can carry 10 light drones - so you could have 5 combat drones and 5 mining drones. In your drones page on your HUD you can group the drones so that they are easier to manage.
If you have enough money to get a Hulk when you qualify for a Covetor ... the Exhumers skill (which costs ... like 25 million Isk iirc ...) isn't that long so you can just wait a little and get the Hulk. If you don't have the money for the Hulk, then you can get a Covetor and use it to help get the money. A Covetor can use all the same equipment a Hulk can so it can actually mine almost as much. The big advantages a Hulk has over a Covetor are it's cargo size and a more substantial tank. Hulks cost about 96 million ISK, Covetor's about 17. Also, a Hulk is the T2 version of the Covetor. T2 ships are insured as if they were their T1 cousins - thus - if you insure a Hulk - (whatever it costs) all you will get in payment if it is lost - is the price of a Covetor.
Keep in mind - Don't Fly What You Can't Afford To Lose.
Which means - you not only need to be able to afford to buy a ship in order to use it - but to be able to replace it as well. If you can't affored to replace a ship ... better not to buy it in the first place.
One thing to think about - is keeping your old ship as a fall back when you get your new one. Some people will sell their old ship to help get the money to buy the new one and in fact have their entire fortune tied up in one ship. They are gambling that they will be able to make money fast enough with that new ship to build up their reserves before they lose it. If they are wrong - then they've dug themselves a fairly deep hole, going backwards a good bit - some of them all the way to rookie ships ... Don't do that ... always try to have some kind of a reserve for a rainy day.
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Drahreg
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Posted - 2009.08.10 14:53:00 -
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Edited by: Drahreg on 10/08/2009 14:53:44
Originally by: pimania
Also, is there an automatic way to get them to protect me rather than have to make them engage target etc?
Yes in the drones settings. Set them to agressive mode. They have to be in space before you can do that. Then they will react to every attack. If you use drones for defense against NPC's you should select the drones according to the NPC damage types. Thermal damage will help mostly.
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