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Orlacc
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Posted - 2012.05.28 02:16:00 -
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The Neverending Story....
Look at all the Dev responses........
Cue tumbleweed |
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
96
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Posted - 2012.05.28 02:16:00 -
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I too would like a dev response
on
when they plan on banning these forum griefers who want to destroy this unique game just so they can be happy for couple weeks before they also quit. |
James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1757
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Posted - 2012.05.28 02:18:00 -
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Kaserin Smarte wrote:Do you read what and post I mean really read it not see what you want to see?
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I want B A L A N C E not end to ganking....for crying out loud I dont want to ruin your game so why ruin my game. Oh, I see. You don't want to end ganking, you just want balance. My mistake.
So, in what way do you think suicide ganking should be buffed?
Oh, you don't want ganking to be buffed? You think it should be "balanced" by nerfing it? ...Again?
Yes, ladies and gentlemen, it's the classic "one more nerf" syndrome. Tell me, why weren't all of the previous nerfs to ganking sufficient to "balance" ganking to your taste? Could it be because your ship got blown up?
The fact is, whether you realize it or not, you and your fellow miners will continue to demand 'balance" via "one more nerf" until your ship stops blowing up, because that's the only complaint you really have. So yes, you do in fact want an end to ganking. That attitude cannot be tolerated.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
908
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Posted - 2012.05.28 02:19:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Kaserin Smarte wrote:I want balance I do not want a immortal zone. I am trying to compromise find solutions to curb the big trend in ganking not get rid of it. There is no big trend in ganking. The amount of gankers has risen along with the growth in population. I am just as safe in my hauler now as I was 6 years ago. That's not the way arguing for gank nerfs works. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
286
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Posted - 2012.05.28 02:33:00 -
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Here's CCP response, HTFU whiner:
http://eve-search.com/thread/1336910-0/page/10#273
CCP Eris Discordia wrote: Sweet!
I heartely endorse any event where people come together to defend the poor and endangered asteroid from exploitation. I've heard that recent studies have shown that asteroids experience something that might be unpleasant during mining Smile Woe you little asteroid..woe
CCP Manifest wrote:But, like everything in New Eden, it's another example of pilots at play in the sandbox. Whatcha gonna do? |
Kaserin Smarte
The Industrial Consortium G a l a c t i c Industries
2
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Posted - 2012.05.28 02:39:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Kaserin Smarte wrote:Kaserin Smarte wrote:See this is utter nonsense and the drivel of a mad men. WE MINE CAUSE WE LIKE. If you enjoy it so much, why do you do it AFK? Do you read what and post I mean really read it not see what you want to see? I do not afk mine I am on dscan I collect intel that only goes so far because of cloaks. I want B A L A N C E not end to ganking....for crying out loud I dont want to ruin your game so why ruin my game. MIners are not your only target they are just easy kills for you so you only have to risk a catalyst. PVP again players that PVP not people who want to play the PVE side of the game. So you want to make our game harder and your game easier by not wardecin. Sounds like you dont understand the mechanics of EVE and how to play the game. Your ego is showing.... It is balanced, all you have to do is fit a tank.
How do you fit a tank to a covetor or a retty? And how do I tank 5 catalysts?
That onlyw works for hulks and we all know hulks are not the only target. Also am I suppose to only fly a hulk tanked or fly a covetor that is a less likely a target which really sint. And if i am not suppose to fly those ships why are they in the game?
This is not a viable tactic because the gankers have many solutions to it. |
Kaserin Smarte
The Industrial Consortium G a l a c t i c Industries
2
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Posted - 2012.05.28 02:41:00 -
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Vaal Erit wrote:Here's CCP response, HTFU whiner: http://eve-search.com/thread/1336910-0/page/10#273CCP Eris Discordia wrote: Sweet!
I heartely endorse any event where people come together to defend the poor and endangered asteroid from exploitation. I've heard that recent studies have shown that asteroids experience something that might be unpleasant during mining Smile Woe you little asteroid..woe CCP Manifest wrote:But, like everything in New Eden, it's another example of pilots at play in the sandbox. Whatcha gonna do?
Did you even read what I posted? You guys are not arguing what I said you are making straw men. |
Kaserin Smarte
The Industrial Consortium G a l a c t i c Industries
2
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Posted - 2012.05.28 02:42:00 -
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Ludi Burek wrote:I too would like a dev response on when they plan on banning these forum griefers who want to destroy this unique game just so they can be happy for couple weeks before they also quit.
I am trying to have a constructive discussion alas i should have tooken into acount that forums are full of trolls. Who only want to argue there points they see and not the issue at hand. |
baltec1
1204
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Posted - 2012.05.28 02:50:00 -
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Kaserin Smarte wrote:
How do you fit a tank to a covetor or a retty? And how do I tank 5 catalysts?
That onlyw works for hulks and we all know hulks are not the only target. Also am I suppose to only fly a hulk tanked or fly a covetor that is a less likely a target which really sint. And if i am not suppose to fly those ships why are they in the game?
This is not a viable tactic because the gankers have many solutions to it.
[Covetor, New Setup 1] Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Use a +2 implant and that will out tank any destroyer. 90% of ganks on miners are by a single destroyer because thats how they make a profit.
[Retriever, New Setup 1] Damage Control II Co-Processor II
Small Shield Extender II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Mining Drone II x5 +1 implant, should see off most destroyers. |
Shian Yang
214
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Posted - 2012.05.28 02:50:00 -
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Kaserin Smarte wrote:Ludi Burek wrote:I too would like a dev response on when they plan on banning these forum griefers who want to destroy this unique game just so they can be happy for couple weeks before they also quit. I am trying to have a constructive discussion alas i should have tooken into acount that forums are full of trolls. Who only want to argue there points they see and not the issue at hand.
Greetings capsuleer,
Disagreement is a fundamental tenent of New Eden. You cannot expect to speak your mind and be treated as reasonable when you are unwilling to extend another the same courtesy.
Capsuleer Burek disagrees with your premise. He believes you fail to understand the core principles of New Eden - that being there is conflict, a war for scarce resources and that you and only you are responsible for your own safety.
Do not diminish his view unless you want yours discarded as well.
Regards,
Shian Yang |
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Kaserin Smarte
The Industrial Consortium G a l a c t i c Industries
2
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Posted - 2012.05.28 02:51:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Kaserin Smarte wrote:
How do you fit a tank to a covetor or a retty? And how do I tank 5 catalysts?
That onlyw works for hulks and we all know hulks are not the only target. Also am I suppose to only fly a hulk tanked or fly a covetor that is a less likely a target which really sint. And if i am not suppose to fly those ships why are they in the game?
This is not a viable tactic because the gankers have many solutions to it.
[Covetor, New Setup 1] Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core II Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Use a +2 implant and that will out tank any destroyer. 90% of ganks on miners are by a single destroyer because thats how they make a profit. [Retriever, New Setup 1] Damage Control II Co-Processor II Small Shield Extender II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Mining Drone II x5 +1 implant, should see off most destroyers.
Thank you + 2 implant to what shield capacity? Also do you have a mackinaw fit? I asked on chat channels and no one answered or I didnt see. |
Kaserin Smarte
The Industrial Consortium G a l a c t i c Industries
2
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Posted - 2012.05.28 02:54:00 -
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Shian Yang wrote:Kaserin Smarte wrote:Ludi Burek wrote:I too would like a dev response on when they plan on banning these forum griefers who want to destroy this unique game just so they can be happy for couple weeks before they also quit. I am trying to have a constructive discussion alas i should have tooken into acount that forums are full of trolls. Who only want to argue there points they see and not the issue at hand. Greetings capsuleer, Disagreement is a fundamental tenent of New Eden. You cannot expect to speak your mind and be treated as reasonable when you are unwilling to extend another the same courtesy. Capsuleer Burek disagrees with your premise. He believes you fail to understand the core principles of New Eden - that being there is conflict, a war for scarce resources and that you and only you are responsible for your own safety. Do not diminish his view unless you want yours discarded as well. Regards, Shian Yang
That maks no sense what so ever. They are not a limited or scarce number of resources the damn resource get rebootd EVERY day... Also this is a game one that is a sandbox where ALL playstyle are welcome including casual PVE. So why are you trying to get rid of it and telling us we are playing a SANDBOX game wrong.
Also the troll thing was not just aimed at him it was to others as well. I did not diminish his view I was saying its a straw man. There is a difference there I think you know that. |
ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
42
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Posted - 2012.05.28 03:00:00 -
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Kaserin Smarte wrote:
That maks no sense what so ever. They are not a limited number of resources the damn resource get rebootd EVERY day... Also this is a game one that is a sandbox where ALL playstyle are welcome including casual PVE. So why are you trying to get rid of it and telling us we are playing a SANDBOX game wrong.
Also the troll thing was not just aimed at him it was to others aswell.I did not diminish his view I was saying its straw man. There is a difference there I think you know that.
Just because some resources are reset every 24 hours does not mean there is an infinite supply of them. There is a specific number of r64 moons a specific number of r32 moons, there is also a limited number of belts that a miner can use. |
Kaserin Smarte
The Industrial Consortium G a l a c t i c Industries
2
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Posted - 2012.05.28 03:02:00 -
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ModeratedToSilence wrote:Kaserin Smarte wrote:
That maks no sense what so ever. They are not a limited number of resources the damn resource get rebootd EVERY day... Also this is a game one that is a sandbox where ALL playstyle are welcome including casual PVE. So why are you trying to get rid of it and telling us we are playing a SANDBOX game wrong.
Also the troll thing was not just aimed at him it was to others aswell.I did not diminish his view I was saying its straw man. There is a difference there I think you know that.
Just because some resources are reset every 24 hours does not mean there is an infinite supply of them. There is a specific number of r64 moons a specific number of r32 moons, there is also a limited number of belts that a miner can use.
I have yet to run into a problem mining and finding belts. There are hundreds of systems with plenty of belts. I am sure there are more belts than players. Also im not talking about moons mining or whatever. |
ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
42
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Posted - 2012.05.28 03:09:00 -
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Kaserin Smarte wrote:ModeratedToSilence wrote:Kaserin Smarte wrote:
That maks no sense what so ever. They are not a limited number of resources the damn resource get rebootd EVERY day... Also this is a game one that is a sandbox where ALL playstyle are welcome including casual PVE. So why are you trying to get rid of it and telling us we are playing a SANDBOX game wrong.
Also the troll thing was not just aimed at him it was to others aswell.I did not diminish his view I was saying its straw man. There is a difference there I think you know that.
Just because some resources are reset every 24 hours does not mean there is an infinite supply of them. There is a specific number of r64 moons a specific number of r32 moons, there is also a limited number of belts that a miner can use. I have yet to run into a problem mining and finding belts. There are hundreds of systems with plenty of belts. I am sure there are more belts than players. Also im not talking about moons mining or whatever.
That does not change the fundamental premise. Resources in Eve are limited. Just because most of the low end resources are not completely tapped out every day does not mean there is no limit. It just means in some areas the limits are rarely if ever reached.
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baltec1
1208
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Posted - 2012.05.28 03:11:00 -
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Kaserin Smarte wrote:Thank you + 2 implant to what shield capacity? Also do you have a mackinaw fit? I asked on chat channels and no one answered or I didnt see.
+2 CPU
[Mackinaw, New Setup 1] Damage Control II Co-Processor II
Small Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Survey Scanner II Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II
Ice Harvester II Ice Harvester II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
15.6k buffer no implants needed. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
792
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Posted - 2012.05.28 03:25:00 -
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Unfortunately, most miners make it too easy by either being afk, or being stationary, both of which = easy kill.
Mine aligned and 90% of gank opportunity is gone. In fact, mining aligned also means you don't need a tank, because full yield is faster to fill your hold meaning you leave the belt faster.
Also, changing belts regularly helps.
Me, I like HS mining. Its semi relaxing.
However, I also love ganking. Though usually I'm on the attempted receiving end.
Edit: OP if you want to know my method of mining aligned, feel free to ask in an EVEmail and I'll send it to you. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2231
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Posted - 2012.05.28 03:29:00 -
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ModeratedToSilence wrote:Eve high security space is safer now than it was 5 years ago.
Untrue.
When I started playing this game 4 years ago, Jet Can mining and running Low Security gate camps was considered unsafe. Taking someones loot in High Security was used to initiate non consensual PvP. Suicide Ganking was for the most part unheard of and rarely ever happened.
Within the past couple of years, Suicide Ganking has definitely become grossly prevalent in this game.. |
Tyraenin
Black Rebel Rifter Club
1
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Posted - 2012.05.28 04:11:00 -
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Kaserin Smarte wrote:James 315 wrote:Kaserin Smarte wrote:I am not trying to say that highsec should be 100%. Really? Let's read what else you wrote... Quote:I just want balance I dont want to ruin your game so why are you trying to ruin my game? ...And the other shoe drops. Like all highsec miners you do indeed want to "ruin" our game--in fact you want to ban suicide ganking. You want to continually nerf non-consensual PvP in highsec until it is no longer possible for your mining ship to be destroyed. You want to turn EVE into a single-player game with no risk. In doing so, you would eliminate any reason why someone would want to play EVE, and CCP would go into bankruptcy. The good news is that if we continue to suicide gank your ships, you will eventually move into a different career in EVE (should you decide to continue playing), and you will cease advocating your destructive anti-PvP policies. By killing your ship and those of others like you, we will save EVE. Fly safe. Did you read what I said? I was pretty clear I dont want to ban gankers. I want to balance and curb the trend of everyone and their grandma doing it. Because they can not handle shooting at something that shoots back and can kill em. No it wont go into bankrupcy cause the real pvpers will go back to playing EVE the way it was played and actaul pvp again other pvpers. Also I play all the careers in eve I want thats the beauty of EVE. It is not about one career over the other ALL are viable. You are not imparting some sage wisdom you are just griefing. As I said I LOVE to mine, LOVE the hum of the strip miners, and I LOVE helping the market by providing ORE/Minerals. Why take that away from me when I dont want to do the same to you.
ALL are viable and yet you have the audacity to prescribe to the entire community how to play their game. Here's another:
Kaserin Smarte wrote:We understand that this game is just more than PVP its a SANDBOX game. Meaning there is no wrong way to play. . Unless it is doing something you don't like, right? Entitled much?
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Shian Yang
216
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Posted - 2012.05.28 04:23:00 -
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Kaserin Smarte wrote:Shian Yang wrote:Kaserin Smarte wrote:Ludi Burek wrote:I too would like a dev response on when they plan on banning these forum griefers who want to destroy this unique game just so they can be happy for couple weeks before they also quit. I am trying to have a constructive discussion alas i should have tooken into acount that forums are full of trolls. Who only want to argue there points they see and not the issue at hand. Greetings capsuleer, Disagreement is a fundamental tenent of New Eden. You cannot expect to speak your mind and be treated as reasonable when you are unwilling to extend another the same courtesy. Capsuleer Burek disagrees with your premise. He believes you fail to understand the core principles of New Eden - that being there is conflict, a war for scarce resources and that you and only you are responsible for your own safety. Do not diminish his view unless you want yours discarded as well. Regards, Shian Yang That maks no sense what so ever. They are not a limited or scarce number of resources the damn resource get rebootd EVERY day... Also this is a game one that is a sandbox where ALL playstyle are welcome including casual PVE. So why are you trying to get rid of it and telling us we are playing a SANDBOX game wrong. Also the troll thing was not just aimed at him it was to others as well. I did not diminish his view I was saying its a straw man. There is a difference there I think you know that.
Greetings capsuleer,
You have just demonstrated capsuleer Burek's point. Congratulations. If you would like me to deconstruct and explain life in New Eden to you, please send me an EVE Mail.
Regards,
Shian Yang |
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
466
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Posted - 2012.05.28 04:27:00 -
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Kaserin Smarte wrote:Also this is a game one that is a sandbox where ALL playstyle are welcome including casual PVE. So why are you trying to get rid of it and telling us we are playing a SANDBOX game wrong.
you're correct, it's a sandbox and it allows me to kill your hulk eh |
baltec1
1208
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Posted - 2012.05.28 04:30:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:ModeratedToSilence wrote:Eve high security space is safer now than it was 5 years ago. Untrue. When I started playing this game 4 years ago, Jet Can mining and running Low Security gate camps was considered unsafe. Taking someones loot in High Security was used to initiate non consensual PvP. Suicide Ganking was for the most part unheard of and rarely ever happened. Within the past couple of years, Suicide Ganking has definitely become grossly prevalent in this game..
Its just as safe now as it was 6 years ago. Safer in fact now that there is no insurance payout for gankers. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
913
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Posted - 2012.05.28 04:32:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Kaserin Smarte wrote:Also this is a game one that is a sandbox where ALL playstyle are welcome including casual PVE. So why are you trying to get rid of it and telling us we are playing a SANDBOX game wrong. you're correct, it's a sandbox and it allows me to kill your hulk The sand seems to have some sharp stones in it ... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2232
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Posted - 2012.05.28 05:15:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:ModeratedToSilence wrote:Eve high security space is safer now than it was 5 years ago. Untrue. When I started playing this game 4 years ago, Jet Can mining and running Low Security gate camps was considered unsafe. Taking someones loot in High Security was used to initiate non consensual PvP. Suicide Ganking was for the most part unheard of and rarely ever happened. Within the past couple of years, Suicide Ganking has definitely become grossly prevalent in this game.. Its just as safe now as it was 6 years ago. Safer in fact now that there is no insurance payout for gankers.
Hahaha, no insurance payouts for gankers has made it safer?
Yeah right. That's like saying Jump Gates can be owned by Player Alliances who can charge other players a toll fee for using it.
Completely untrue.
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Knus'lar
Deep Void Industrial Group T A B O O
19
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Posted - 2012.05.28 05:21:00 -
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Kaserin Smarte wrote:High sec is for Consenual PVP.
Well. Thats wrong.... |
baltec1
1209
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Posted - 2012.05.28 05:21:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Hahaha, no insurance payouts for gankers has made it safer?
Yeah right. That's like saying Jump Gates can be owned by Player Alliances who can charge other players a toll fee for using it.
Completely untrue.
It means they need to target ships worth a lot more than before if they want to profit. Why do you think they swapped out to destroyers rather than continueing to use BC? |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2232
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Posted - 2012.05.28 05:31:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Hahaha, no insurance payouts for gankers has made it safer?
Yeah right. That's like saying Jump Gates can be owned by Player Alliances who can charge other players a toll fee for using it.
Completely untrue.
It means they need to target ships worth a lot more than before if they want to profit. Why do you think they swapped out to destroyers rather than continueing to use BC? Because Destroyers were recently buffed. Plus the fact that Destroyers are much cheaper than Battlecruisers, ergo gankers can now coordinate with others to attack simultaneously resulting in larger more profitable targets at half the cost. |
baltec1
1209
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Posted - 2012.05.28 05:43:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Because Destroyers were recently buffed. Plus the fact that Destroyers are much cheaper than Battlecruisers, ergo gankers can now coordinate with others to attack simultaneously resulting in larger more profitable targets at half the cost.
Cost is an even bigger factor in a gank now that the full cost of the ganking boat needs to be factored in. This is why outside of hulkageddon miners don't tend to get attacked by much more than a destroyer and tanked barges get passed by unless you earn a gank via smacktalk or have a pimp fit. |
Bad Messenger
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
139
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Posted - 2012.05.28 05:54:00 -
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Kaserin Smarte wrote:Nope wanted him to blow me up so i can go and get him....so nice try. This is not same rage get rid of ganking or i quit post. I am trying to find compromise and balance to the game.
There will never be optimal balance in this game and CCP is going to shake things to make constantly changing environment for players to invent new ways to kill other players.
Carebearing does not work without destruction. There is no reason to mine anything if things does not blow up. |
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