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Ronin Reborn
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.08.12 20:28:00 -
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Uh, how would that not completely obsolete the CNR?
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.08.12 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Ronin Reborn Uh, how would that not completely obsolete the CNR?
well it is a more rare ship to start with and it doesn't have anything else over the cnr at present
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Ronin Reborn
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.08.12 20:39:00 -
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So you propose to just reverse the situation based on rarity?
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.08.12 21:33:00 -
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it's not the one solution obviously...but it could use something extra..
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.08.12 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz it's not the one solution obviously...but it could use something extra..
I wouldn't mind if it became a cross between a Dominix and a Raven. Think hybrid oriented Typhoon. I think that'd make quite a workable ship - you could give it lots of baseline DPS, but without having to worry about people racking up the damage mods - in theory, a Typhoon can do the most DPS of any BS out there, but in practice ... it doesn't, because 6 damage mod Typhoon fits are a joke.
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Kismo
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Posted - 2009.08.13 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus
Originally by: Sokratesz it's not the one solution obviously...but it could use something extra..
I wouldn't mind if it became a cross between a Dominix and a Raven. Think hybrid oriented Typhoon. I think that'd make quite a workable ship - you could give it lots of baseline DPS, but without having to worry about people racking up the damage mods - in theory, a Typhoon can do the most DPS of any BS out there, but in practice ... it doesn't, because 6 damage mod Typhoon fits are a joke.
I resent what you imply sir! That's how we convince noobs to train Minmatar BS5 these days! Also, I agree. I'd be more likely to fit 3 dmg mods, 2 nanos, istab/te (if using autos), DC on a shield tanked phoon.
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Nito Musashi
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Posted - 2009.08.13 01:33:00 -
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the bigger problem with pirate faction ships and navy faction ships is they should all be balanced, but the fact you got 100000 people farming navy rep, plus of the bpcs drop in plexes or whatnot, vs pirate factions where not many are running or are able or willing to hardcore farm said LP to buy the ships outright puts one class in very high supply and other class in very low supply.
all faction ships are neat in their own niches, they should all be equal to each other in usefulness, but the current situation where a pirate bs costs as much as a t2 bs, is way out of wack, if all pirate bs were 350 mil like their navy counterparts then they would be fine as is more or less.
make pirate faction ships cheaper at their respective lp stores say half the lp cost of the navy ones, increase drop rates of bpcs by a good bit, get the costs down and they would not need to do much but maybe some small tinkering to equal out all the factions ships with each other.
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Kismo
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Posted - 2009.08.13 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: Nito Musashi all faction ships are neat in their own niches, they should all be equal to each other in usefulness, but the current situation where a pirate bs costs as much as a t2 bs, is way out of wack, if all pirate bs were 350 mil like their navy counterparts then they would be fine as is more or less.
Dude, no, alot of faction ships are just plain terrible. I would never fly a Dramiel except for the cool looks. Can I please have a 60M isk uninsurable frigate hull that can at the very least compete with an AF/Inty? Please? How about the Blood Raiders ships - you think they're ok?!
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Nito Musashi
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Posted - 2009.08.13 03:04:00 -
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did not say that some did not need tweaking, but compare navy ships to pirate ships and its the prices that are way out there, making faction bss only the playthings of mission runners or really rich pvp. if your going to drop a billion on a faction battleship more power to you you might as well drop 4 or 5 billion on officer mods and really lose a ton of money when your ship melts.
the good old days when some of the faction bpc were easily farmable kept the prices down a ton before they nerfed them to only drop off the last overseer type bosses and only spawn once a day or something silly. before than you could get drops off most of the bosses in each level, not 100% but often enough to get one or so out of a few kills and they repopped a lot faster than the final rooms. granted they were camped to hades in empire back then, bout you could get lucky in off hours and score one.
beyond that most of the faction ships have not been changed at all since the good old days of moar bpc drops and the prices have gone up through the roof since. nevermind the number of nerfs and new tier ships and whatnot that has been changed or added over the years, no doubt they could really overhaul the entire faction thing.
but soon is a trademark of ccp, i am sure they will get around to fixing the faction ships, projectiles, other vanilla t1 ships that suck, soon.
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Miss Xoco
Minmatar VR Corp Sovereign Technologies
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Posted - 2009.08.14 12:14:00 -
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There are a few good faction ships such as Nightmare, but most of the other faction ships i consider as worse, especially for theyr crazy price. Ships such as a Vindicator cost 1 bill, but isnt even close to a Marauder in the same price range nor can it compete with a Nightmare. Navy Megathron can do exactly the same for the half price. And all the faction frigs are rather a eye candy than any real use, except for the Succubus.
The faction frigs should get a boost to be able to compete with AF frigs. In term they stay that weak i think theyr only use is to get rusty in your hangars. The price is just to high and they can barely exceed a Rifter in power.
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ry ry
StateCorp HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2009.08.14 12:17:00 -
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ideally a firetail should be compared to a vigil rather than a rifter.
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