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Ivana Drake
Caldari Liberi Fatalius Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.08.13 14:26:00 -
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Edited by: Ivana Drake on 13/08/2009 14:30:21
Originally by: Achura Model
Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 FYI, standard hamdrake has 83k ehp /90k+ overheated/, 644 dps with terror rages /700+ overheated/, 589 dps with cn terrors /670 overheated/.
Does it have AB or MWD? And are drones counted? And Tengu has 732 DPS as far as I remember (don't forget overheatment bonus)...
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0908/HAMDrake.jpg
add some missile implants and you hit 700 dps easy
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Davinel Lulinvega
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Posted - 2009.08.13 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Ivana Drake
Originally by: Achura Model
Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 FYI, standard hamdrake has 83k ehp /90k+ overheated/, 644 dps with terror rages /700+ overheated/, 589 dps with cn terrors /670 overheated/.
Does it have AB or MWD? And are drones counted? And Tengu has 732 DPS as far as I remember (don't forget overheatment bonus)...
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0908/HAMDrake.jpg
Thank you, at least someone here knows how to fit a drake properly.
Also lol at the people talking about how good the tengu is in pve in a thread about solo pvp.
Even more lol at the guy who said loki is bad solo.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke!
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SuiJuris
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Posted - 2009.08.13 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Xoco Uhm, 1600mm plates on a cruiser size ship? It wont have as good as no turret grid left anymore and will be extremely slow. Its not the type of plates you usualy fit on such a ship. May work works great as a bait ship but i see no other use.
People put 1600's on Cruisers all the time, Arbitrators, Vexors, Thorax's (I think its dumb to use a small gun thorax but whatever) Ruptures, lolMallers. About the only races cruisers that don't is Caldari, because there shield tankers. The Omen doesn't specifically because it can't. --- It's like my mom always said... "I knew I should of drowned that one." |
Davinel Lulinvega
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Posted - 2009.08.13 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: SuiJuris
Originally by: Miss Xoco Uhm, 1600mm plates on a cruiser size ship? It wont have as good as no turret grid left anymore and will be extremely slow. Its not the type of plates you usualy fit on such a ship. May work works great as a bait ship but i see no other use.
People put 1600's on Cruisers all the time, Arbitrators, Vexors, Thorax's (I think its dumb to use a small gun thorax but whatever) Ruptures, lolMallers. About the only races cruisers that don't is Caldari, because there shield tankers. The Omen doesn't specifically because it can't.
Omens would be amazing if they had more grid.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke!
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2009.08.13 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ivana Drake http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0908/HAMDrake.jpg
Change web to named and fit small neut to last high, can help with more tanky afs.
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SuiJuris
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Posted - 2009.08.13 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega
Originally by: SuiJuris
Originally by: Miss Xoco Uhm, 1600mm plates on a cruiser size ship? It wont have as good as no turret grid left anymore and will be extremely slow. Its not the type of plates you usualy fit on such a ship. May work works great as a bait ship but i see no other use.
People put 1600's on Cruisers all the time, Arbitrators, Vexors, Thorax's (I think its dumb to use a small gun thorax but whatever) Ruptures, lolMallers. About the only races cruisers that don't is Caldari, because there shield tankers. The Omen doesn't specifically because it can't.
Omens would be amazing if they had more grid.
They sure would. Here is to hopeing that medium sized PG rigs are only 3-4 mil ;) --- It's like my mom always said... "I knew I should of drowned that one." |
Davinel Lulinvega
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Posted - 2009.08.13 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: SuiJuris
Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega
Originally by: SuiJuris
Originally by: Miss Xoco Uhm, 1600mm plates on a cruiser size ship? It wont have as good as no turret grid left anymore and will be extremely slow. Its not the type of plates you usualy fit on such a ship. May work works great as a bait ship but i see no other use.
People put 1600's on Cruisers all the time, Arbitrators, Vexors, Thorax's (I think its dumb to use a small gun thorax but whatever) Ruptures, lolMallers. About the only races cruisers that don't is Caldari, because there shield tankers. The Omen doesn't specifically because it can't.
Omens would be amazing if they had more grid.
They sure would. Here is to hopeing that medium sized PG rigs are only 3-4 mil ;)
Oh wow, I was just screwing around in eft and it's pretty short on cpu too... I'm just going to call it the amarr nighthawk from now on.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke!
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Ivana Drake
Caldari Liberi Fatalius Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.08.13 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Lugalzagezi666
Originally by: Ivana Drake http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0908/HAMDrake.jpg
Change web to named and fit small neut to last high, can help with more tanky afs.
gawd have to nitpick at everything don't you
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LQven
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Posted - 2009.08.13 17:32:00 -
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I have 3 Tengu's. I like em but don't fly em. But I like em. My skills are too sucky to get any real DPS out of them... I'll have to wait.
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Achura Model
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Posted - 2009.08.13 20:02:00 -
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Edited by: Achura Model on 13/08/2009 20:06:27 Edited by: Achura Model on 13/08/2009 20:02:59
Originally by: Ivana Drake Edited by: Ivana Drake on 13/08/2009 14:30:21
Originally by: Achura Model
Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 FYI, standard hamdrake has 83k ehp /90k+ overheated/, 644 dps with terror rages /700+ overheated/, 589 dps with cn terrors /670 overheated/.
Does it have AB or MWD? And are drones counted? And Tengu has 732 DPS as far as I remember (don't forget overheatment bonus)...
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0908/HAMDrake.jpg
add some missile implants and you hit 700 dps easy
So yeah, drones are counted, 18km range vs 27 and still 50 dps below Tengu. I'm not saying of speed, agility, signature, sensor strength, and bonus for overheating... People sometimes pay much more (I mean more than 500kk) for gaining much less...
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.13 22:21:00 -
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Drake 30 mil, Tengu omfg 1bil+. No amazing difference in performance. Drake plse.
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Jin Entres
Malevolent Intervention
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Posted - 2009.08.13 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Soporo Drake 30 mil, Tengu omfg 1bil+. No amazing difference in performance. Drake plse.
Perhaps you just have unrealistic expectations for what a reasonable difference between T1 and T3 should be. If you compare T1 battleship to pirate battleships, the differences aren't often that amazing either. But they could still be well worth the money, because one character can only ever pilot one ship at a time.
If you fit D and T identically, the notable differences are roughly: -100 sig, +60% EHP, +10% shield recharge, +25% velocity, +50% HAM range, -50% heat damage (ship skill + sub bonus), +20% cargo bay, -2.6% damage (using 2 damage mods), +30% scan resolution. These are hardly insignificant. Not to mention of course that this is just one configuration used for the ship: you can pick different perks that gear the ship to perform in a way that a Drake simply can't.
If you can't afford it, then go ahead and fly Drakes. Your 30 mil investment is a lot more likely to go down the drain in any given fight. This is not to say that it's somehow economically viable to fly expensive ships because they win more matchups; that depends on how careful / skilled / lucky the flier is etc. But people rarely fly more expensive ships to save money, they fly them because their goal is not to make money but to win fights. ----------------------
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Annihilate. Avarice.
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Posted - 2009.08.13 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: Jin Entres Your 30 mil investment is a lot more likely to go down the drain in any given fight.
You fly a Tengu, you're primary regardless, but who primaries a Drake?
Tengu is nothing short of a gank-magnet, Drake on the other hand isn't particually juicy and in a lot of people's minds just an annoyance.
T2-fitting a Tengu is IMO just a waste of ISK. Yes, it has it's benefits over a Drake, but considering what the Tengu is capable of when you spend that little extra, just seems a waste
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Cpt Branko
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.08.13 23:46:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 13/08/2009 23:48:12 See, that's the difference. If you pirate as a profession, then you want cost/effect and things like that. There is simply no economy in flying a T3 ship at their current price.
If you like to PvP and don't care about the ISK, then, yes, some of them have a point.
Plus, it's always better to be underestimated then feared or treated as a gank magnet. A Drake is rarely something people are afraid of, thanks to mission runners trying out pvp giving it a undeserved reputation as a annoying useless brick.
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.14 02:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jin Entres
Originally by: Soporo Drake 30 mil, Tengu omfg 1bil+. No amazing difference in performance. Drake plse.
Perhaps you just have unrealistic expectations for what a reasonable difference between T1 and T3 should be. If you compare T1 battleship to pirate battleships, the differences aren't often that amazing either. But they could still be well worth the money, because one character can only ever pilot one ship at a time.
If you fit D and T identically, the notable differences are roughly: -100 sig, +60% EHP, +10% shield recharge, +25% velocity, +50% HAM range, -50% heat damage (ship skill + sub bonus), +20% cargo bay, -2.6% damage (using 2 damage mods), +30% scan resolution. These are hardly insignificant. Not to mention of course that this is just one configuration used for the ship: you can pick different perks that gear the ship to perform in a way that a Drake simply can't.
If you can't afford it, then go ahead and fly Drakes. Your 30 mil investment is a lot more likely to go down the drain in any given fight. This is not to say that it's somehow economically viable to fly expensive ships because they win more matchups; that depends on how careful / skilled / lucky the flier is etc. But people rarely fly more expensive ships to save money, they fly them because their goal is not to make money but to win fights.
You might be right about my t3 expectations, but maybe for the wrong reason. Mostly, I was hoping they'd be priced around what the Devs claimed multiple time they wanted it at (fail, it's not nor will be anytime soon). A comparison to Faction BS I don't think is appropriate for this reason, and what percentage of people actually pvp in Faction BS anyway?
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ATARI BABY
Lords Of Guile
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Posted - 2009.08.14 02:17:00 -
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Edited by: ATARI BABY on 14/08/2009 02:19:59
guys...
i'm playing this game over 4 years and know about price / performance issues.
i'm just asking to experienced people for comparing t3 ships.
'buy comand ship' or 'drake is better coz cheap' like comments are useless in this thread.
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eve warrior
Minmatar Filthy Scum Scum Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.14 11:55:00 -
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I kind of liking flying expensive ships, they tend to make pvp a little more exciting. The more isk at risk the bigger the adrenalin rush. Eve has become a more risk free game since when i started playing in 2004.
I just got a tech III cruiser and look forward to the fun in flying it, when it gets destroyed as all ships tend to, i will buy another one. Its only isk.
EW
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Mova B
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Posted - 2009.08.14 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Kirzath Don't fly one.
This and just because you will be skilling up the same ship untill eve cluster dies someday.
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Mova B
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Posted - 2009.08.14 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: eve warrior I kind of liking flying expensive ships, they tend to make pvp a little more exciting. The more isk at risk the bigger the adrenalin rush. Eve has become a more risk free game since when i started playing in 2004.
I just got a tech III cruiser and look forward to the fun in flying it, when it gets destroyed as all ships tend to, i will buy another one. Its only isk.
EW
Remember to buy trained subsystem skill too... Oh wait, you can't!
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Mova B
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Posted - 2009.08.14 12:00:00 -
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Edited by: Mova B on 14/08/2009 12:04:09 All the fancy setups are done with EFT, using LVL5 skills. And T3 cruisers without LVL5 subsystem skills are crap (and add there the fact that your other skills aren't at lvl5 anyway..). So then you will be spending 4 days everytime you lose a ship to get the effiency back. Of course you can always donate 1+ B isk ships to your enemy by ejecting the ship, wich is as stupid as losing the skill.
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Miss Xoco
Minmatar VR Corp Sovereign Technologies
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Posted - 2009.08.14 12:28:00 -
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Edited by: Miss Xoco on 14/08/2009 12:34:24 Well, the price for T3 ships finally came down in Jita which is with no doubt the best place to buy you a T3. Now a T3 including 5 submodules are around 700-750M, my Loki was "only" 690M. Think thats finally worth it for a Loki. Some crafters say that they arnt anymore making profit with, its hard to believe. Anyway, i think its the correct price for that ship so i got me one.
About the setup, as good as any ship type got so much possibilitys. I think most of them are able to fit toward everyones likings, offensive or defensive or fitted with avoidance against bubbles or cloaking devices, its really nice.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2009.08.14 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina T2-fitting a Tengu is IMO just a waste of ISK. Yes, it has it's benefits over a Drake, but considering what the Tengu is capable of when you spend that little extra, just seems a waste
Shield boost >1110 HP >1.39 sec
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Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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noc D
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Posted - 2009.08.14 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Rawr Cristina T2-fitting a Tengu is IMO just a waste of ISK. Yes, it has it's benefits over a Drake, but considering what the Tengu is capable of when you spend that little extra, just seems a waste
Shield boost >1110 HP >1.39 sec
little extra???
that booster is about 1.4bil which is mean 2 x T3 ship and sub modes for both.
and neuts are so populer these days.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Annihilate. Avarice.
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Posted - 2009.08.14 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: noc D
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Rawr Cristina T2-fitting a Tengu is IMO just a waste of ISK. Yes, it has it's benefits over a Drake, but considering what the Tengu is capable of when you spend that little extra, just seems a waste
Shield boost >1110 HP >1.39 sec
little extra???
that booster is about 1.4bil which is mean 2 x T3 ship and sub modes for both.
and neuts are so populer these days.
For that kind of performance, 1.4bil is nothing
Cap use is also pretty low and the Tengu can have 7 meds, so fitting an Injector is NP Deals with moderate neuting just fine, you're in trouble if you meet a Curse though.
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Achura Model
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Posted - 2009.08.14 22:19:00 -
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You're in trouble if you meet a couple of guys knowing how to fit a pvp BS... I'd say every pvp BS or BC must have 1 neutralizer at least (perhaps aside from RR BS gang). Me and my mates usually fly kamikaze BC gang of 3-4 hurricanes. We have 6-8 medium neutralizers, and it's a matter of seconds to drain any ship smaller than BS.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Annihilate. Avarice.
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Posted - 2009.08.15 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: Achura Model You're in trouble if you meet a couple of guys knowing how to fit a pvp BS... I'd say every pvp BS or BC must have 1 neutralizer at least (perhaps aside from RR BS gang). Me and my mates usually fly kamikaze BC gang of 3-4 hurricanes. We have 6-8 medium neutralizers, and it's a matter of seconds to drain any ship smaller than BS.
Much more ships fly without neuts than with. HACs and Recons (minus Ishtar/Curse/Pilgrim) rarely neut, Drake is never going to neut you and Harby will never have more than one, if that. Tier 3 BS are pretty unlikely to neut ... you should have a good idea of this and what's sensible to engage or not before you even think about flying your new toy. They can be amazing ships, but they're far from invincible.
With T3, you pick your fights or you're just an expensive lossmail waiting to happen, no matter your fit.
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Nito Musashi
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Posted - 2009.08.15 01:38:00 -
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me idily wonders why people bring up lose 5 days training in relation to t3, must be noobs if you think 4 to 5 days to max one skill to level 5 is a epic long wait.
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Lusian
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Posted - 2009.08.15 05:39:00 -
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An allaince m8 flies a Tengu. That thing can tank like no other ship its size and can stand against a bs solo. It had 90 THerm and almost90% kinetik and not to mention really high em and exp resistance. The Tengu was active tanking 4 to 5 ships no problem. It was a sick tank and was getting arounf 800 dps while my ship had just about 80% kin and therm resistance on my BC.
Or I had over 80% resistance therm and KInetik. I wasnt fare off from it. Anyways THe Tengu is an awesome ship. Musta had faction fittings.
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w1ndstrike
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Posted - 2009.08.15 15:19:00 -
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PvP with T3 the smart way
1) go fight some people 2) get ganked 3) realize you're going to die and there is **** all you can do 4) self destruct to deny loot and prevent skill loss
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