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Pay Tiger
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Posted - 2009.08.14 01:17:00 -
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(Please bear with me. My questions may seem noobish, but they're leading up to something PVP related.)
Well my first question is, does the first job listing in someone's information indicate when the character was made? IE: If their very first job is with X-University from August 1st until today, does that mean the character is only about 11 days old?
My second question is, will Concord kill me if I kill a jetcan thief who has stolen from my fleet?
The scenario from today:
I was mining in 0.9 sec space with my miner non-combat character. I was making runs with my hauler every 20 minutes or so. I had just set up a new jetcan after a run and had about 3km3 worth of veldspar in it, when a person in a Rifter shows up and takes it, putting it into their own can.
I checked their info and according to their employment history, they'd been in a university from about the 2nd until today. I'm not terribly familiar with Rifters so I asked around about the thief. Someone indicated this person might be pretty skilled out. I felt like this character could only be about 10 days old and so not that skilled.
I called in some combat support in the form of a Caracal driver. Unfortunetly it took about 16 jumps to arrive and by then the thief was gone.
Would the Caracal have lost against a Rifter? Would Concord have jumped the Caracal for attacking a red-flagged jetcan thief?
I appreciate anyone taking the time to answer these questions.
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Grogoth Drem
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Posted - 2009.08.14 01:36:00 -
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>>does the first job listing in someone's information indicate when the character was made
Yes, he was 11 days old.
>>My second question is, will Concord kill me if I kill a jetcan thief who has stolen from my fleet
Yes, fleet has nothing to do with aggro
>>Would the Caracal have lost against a Rifter?
Depends, probably not THAT rifter
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Suas
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.08.14 01:46:00 -
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1) Yes.
2) If the fleet member who the thief stole from is a member of your corporation, no. Aggro from jetcans is corporation-wide, when the thief steals from your can he's aggro'd to your entire corporation (unless you're in a NPC corp).
The Caracal would beat the Rifter if he had refit specifically for the fight (Assault Missile Launchers, double web, warp scram) but probably not in his normal ratting Heavy Missile fit if the Rifter pilot was competent.
The Rifter pilot was only ~10 days old, yes, but it was most likely an alt of someone who knows the game fairly well and setup for PvP. Do not engage in PvP unless you are setup specifically for it, that's what the baiting "pirate" (haha, hisec piracy) wants. But yes, he had very limited skills and you could easily have killed him in a cruiser setup for the job (neuts + webs + drones + any guns).
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Pay Tiger
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Posted - 2009.08.14 01:49:00 -
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Hmm. So fleet won't matter against a thief? Basicly, I need to have my combat ship set out the jetcan so that the aggro will be against it instead of my miner?
If that occurs, then whoever originally set the jetcan out can then safely engage without Concord getting angry?
See, I thought so in regards to the Rifter. My bigger worry was that they maybe had a cloaked friend around somewhere and the Rifter was acting as bait of sorts. It seems really foolish for a character 10-12 days old to try to rob a jetcan and then demand ransom for it.
I very much appreciate you answering me.
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Liitar
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Posted - 2009.08.14 01:56:00 -
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Originally by: Pay Tiger Hmm. So fleet won't matter against a thief? Basicly, I need to have my combat ship set out the jetcan so that the aggro will be against it instead of my miner?
If that occurs, then whoever originally set the jetcan out can then safely engage without Concord getting angry?
See, I thought so in regards to the Rifter. My bigger worry was that they maybe had a cloaked friend around somewhere and the Rifter was acting as bait of sorts. It seems really foolish for a character 10-12 days old to try to rob a jetcan and then demand ransom for it.
I very much appreciate you answering me.
Jetcan theft will flag him to your CORP - so everyone in your corp can hit him.
Also, stop jetcan mining - the foolish part is that his tactic worked
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Suas
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.08.14 01:59:00 -
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Originally by: Pay Tiger Hmm. So fleet won't matter against a thief? Basicly, I need to have my combat ship set out the jetcan so that the aggro will be against it instead of my miner?
If that occurs, then whoever originally set the jetcan out can then safely engage without Concord getting angry?
See, I thought so in regards to the Rifter. My bigger worry was that they maybe had a cloaked friend around somewhere and the Rifter was acting as bait of sorts. It seems really foolish for a character 10-12 days old to try to rob a jetcan and then demand ransom for it.
I very much appreciate you answering me.
You can't bait. Look, example:
You are in a corp of a few friends. Rifter takes stuff from your can, he is now aggro'd to your entire corporation. You attack him (you are now aggro'd to him for 15m) and the battle commences. Your friends come in to watch the fight, they can engage any time they want but the Rifter can not attack them before they do so as you are the only person aggro'd to him. The 'cloaked friend' that the Rifter has can happily stare at all of you fighting or face dying to CONCORD as the aggro is entirely between the can flipper and your corporation.
What he can do in terms of friends is bring in logistics support, but I honestly doubt a 12-day-old Rifter pilot is going to fly with a Guardian as backup.
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Pay Tiger
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Posted - 2009.08.14 02:13:00 -
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See, unfortunetly I'm not in a player corporation. I was in one when I first started playing EVE but then I had to go back to Iraq. :/ So, I haven't even played EVE all that much. I just got back into the game yesterday or the day before.
What I'm currently doing is jetcan mining with my Omen (5 mining lasers) and then doing pickups with my 10k capacity Bestower. It's not the most-efficient thing in the world to do, but I can get about 10k m3 worth of minerals every 20 minutes or so.
I have my Caldari character right beside me now in a Caracal with 3 heavy launchers and 2 mining lasers. I figure.. if I'm going to have him there he may as well pitch in a little.
My only real concern is.. like I said and like others warned, his friends jumping in after I blast him with heavy missiles.
I don't think I can web just yet. Like I said, I'm still pretty new at this.
What alternatives are there to jetcanning? I don't really have any other choice, I don't think..
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Liitar
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Posted - 2009.08.14 02:26:00 -
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Originally by: Pay Tiger I can get about 10k m3 worth of minerals every 20 minutes or so.
What alternatives are there to jetcanning? I don't really have any other choice, I don't think..
Launch 3 Giant Secure Containers, anchor them and put on a password - that will hold your 10km3 of mins and they are untouchable.
Alternatively, it sounds like you have 2 accounts - get the second one to sit there in a hauler scooping the cans immediately
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Pay Tiger
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Posted - 2009.08.14 02:54:00 -
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This sounds stupid I'm sure, but how do I launch giant containers? Don't I need a very big ship to do that?
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Liitar
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Posted - 2009.08.14 03:07:00 -
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GSCs are 3000m3, so if your ship holds 10k, you can hold... um.... a few of them?
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Pay Tiger
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Posted - 2009.08.14 03:24:00 -
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Alrighty. I'll give it a shot. Thanks very much.
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Baka Lakadaka
Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.14 03:32:00 -
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If you belong to a PLAYER corp, then any jetcan you put out will belong to the corp.
So, if someone steals from the can, they're flagged to your corp, which means anyone from your corp can respond without CONCORD interference.
If the thief is a member of a player corp and puts the ore into his own container, that jet-can belongs to HIS corp. He's hoping you will take the ore back, meaning you're then flagged to his corp. The 11 day old Rifter pilot might not be all you're up against, if you take the ore back.
The only time a jet-can belongs to you personally is if you're in an NPC corp.
Also, if you're in 0.9 space, a GSC is useless as it can't be anchored in 0.8 or above. If it's not anchored, then someone can just scoop it up and take it. To add insult to injury, they won't even be flagged for it, so all you can do is watch them do it, unless you want to suicide in a blaze of CONCORD wrath.
If you want to use GSCs, move to 0.7 or below and anchor your GSC properly with a password.
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Liitar
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Posted - 2009.08.14 03:37:00 -
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Originally by: Baka Lakadaka Also, if you're in 0.9 space, a GSC is useless as it can't be anchored in 0.8 or above.
Aha, nice catch - shows how much I mine I suppose
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Pay Tiger
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Posted - 2009.08.14 04:05:00 -
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Yeah. I just found that out. :( I bought 3 giant containers but I can't deploy them in Unpas. I guess I need to move my mining to another location..
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Baka Lakadaka
Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.14 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Pay Tiger Yeah. I just found that out. :( I bought 3 giant containers but I can't deploy them in Unpas. I guess I need to move my mining to another location..
Be aware that there will be belt rats in 0.7 and below. You'll need a basic tank to manage them and a couple of light scout drones if you want to kill them. ______________________ Isn't it time you learned to fight back? Agony Unleashed Home of the PvP University.
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Jarvis Hellstrom
Gallente The Flying Tigers
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Posted - 2009.08.14 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Baka Lakadaka Be aware that there will be belt rats in 0.7 and below. You'll need a basic tank to manage them and a couple of light scout drones if you want to kill them.
Your combat alt can hang around perfectly well to kill the belt rats though. Still - it's a very good idea to have at least a basic tank setup on your miner to ensure that you don't lose your ship.
And yes, mining into a secure can is the way to go if you're can mining. As well, mining in a lower sec system will give you access to some of the more expensive ores.
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Pay Tiger
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Posted - 2009.08.14 19:16:00 -
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Yeah, I moved my mining operation a couple of jumps to a 0.7 sec area called Geras. There are occasional NPC pirates but my Caracal can handle them with no problem. Geras isn't as convient as Unpas.. but meh, at least I can deploy containers if I want.
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Ta'jek
Angels Of Death EVE Free Worlds Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.14 19:55:00 -
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I recommend not mentioning where you mine for future reference. Might save you some trouble down the road
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Pay Tiger
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Posted - 2009.08.14 20:01:00 -
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I'm not very worried about it. :) I have secure containers now, so they can't steal from me. Err, I can't be attacked in 0.7 can I? >.>
Like I said, I'm still rather new.
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Joe Starbreaker
The Fighting Republicans
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Posted - 2009.08.14 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: Pay Tiger See, unfortunetly I'm not in a player corporation. I was in one when I first started playing EVE but then I had to go back to Iraq. :/ So, I haven't even played EVE all that much. I just got back into the game yesterday or the day before.
You know, you can start a corporation of your own for your two characters to join. It takes about two million ISK, if I remember right. Just dock at any station and press "create corporation" in the corporation window. Then you'll be able to defend your jetcans.
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Pay Tiger
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Posted - 2009.08.15 04:59:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Originally by: Pay Tiger See, unfortunetly I'm not in a player corporation. I was in one when I first started playing EVE but then I had to go back to Iraq. :/ So, I haven't even played EVE all that much. I just got back into the game yesterday or the day before.
You know, you can start a corporation of your own for your two characters to join. It takes about two million ISK, if I remember right. Just dock at any station and press "create corporation" in the corporation window. Then you'll be able to defend your jetcans.
That sounds interesting but I don't have the cash for that. I probably don't have the skills, either. >.> I spent pretty much all of my ISK buying an Arbitrator. Meh. I'll probably just end up joining some player corporation with both of my characters. It seems easier.
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Liitar
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Posted - 2009.08.15 09:24:00 -
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Originally by: Pay Tiger I don't have the cash for that.
Fixed that for you
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Raimo
Gallente Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.08.15 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: Pay Tiger I'm not very worried about it. :) I have secure containers now, so they can't steal from me. Err, I can't be attacked in 0.7 can I? >.>
Like I said, I'm still rather new.
You can be attacked in 0.7 even without a wardec("suicide gank", as CONCORD will retaliate the agressor), but it's not probable as you won't be juicy enough to warrant it. --- WOLFY is recruiting!
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Kezzle
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Posted - 2009.08.15 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Originally by: Pay Tiger See, unfortunetly I'm not in a player corporation. I was in one when I first started playing EVE but then I had to go back to Iraq. :/ So, I haven't even played EVE all that much. I just got back into the game yesterday or the day before.
You know, you can start a corporation of your own for your two characters to join. It takes about two million ISK, if I remember right. Just dock at any station and press "create corporation" in the corporation window. Then you'll be able to defend your jetcans.
You'll also be vulnerable to wardecs that will mean the griefers won't need to flip your cans to try and get you to start a fight. they'll just roll up to you and blast your miner to smithereens, then take your ore.
Don't start a corp unless you're prepared (as in geared and skilled up) to defend it against predators or to take the losses or to skulk in a station while the 'dec expires. Not saying it'll happen for certain; I'm sure there are folks who have "mom and pop" corps who haven't been wardecced, but be aware that it's a risk.
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