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Booken Blue
Ixion Defence Systems
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Posted - 2009.08.14 08:08:00 -
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Any mission cans that drops from a structure or specific rat and is needed to turn in a mission should be locked from outside interferance and shown red to anyone not in fleet.
This would prevent ninjas from taking it away and allowing mission runners to turn-in their mission.
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Tiny Tove
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Posted - 2009.08.14 09:42:00 -
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Because a 0.2 standings loss just because you are too whiny or proud to negotiate a fair price for the item that you were required to secure and failed to secure is the end of the world?
Did the words GAME OVER appear in the middle of the screen? No?
Not much to get excited about then is there? No. Correct.
Move along....
Next time an agent tells you to fetch, make damm sure that you bring him that item by whatever means necessary.
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Sera Ryskin
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Posted - 2009.08.14 10:22:00 -
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This is a solution in need of a problem. Don't blame CCP because you suck at EVE and can't protect your objectives. ==========
Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2009.08.14 10:42:00 -
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since the deadspaces are accessible to anyone, things can be stolen, you have just to deal with that. Fly your missions in a less crowded region or take care of your objectives.
Whatever, your mission objective has been stolen, SO WHAT?? Consider that as a lection for your next mission and take a little bit more care about your stuff.
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Gin G
Halls Of Valhalla
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Posted - 2009.08.14 13:39:00 -
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most GMs will reset your mission if a ninja steals the item and DOSNT notice the dosnt try to sell it back to you but if they steal it and try to sell it back to you then you have the option to finish the missiuon
ps. let me guess you also want salvaging other people wrecks to be flaggable and mission sites to be unscannable and your L4s to be even more easy Please refrain from editing a moderator's warning. Zymurgist |
Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2009.08.14 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Booken Blue Any mission cans that drops from a structure or specific rat and is needed to turn in a mission should be locked from outside interferance and shown red to anyone not in fleet.
This would prevent ninjas from taking it away and allowing mission runners to turn-in their mission.
No. I disagree with you. SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN |
Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2009.08.14 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Gin G most GMs will reset your mission if a ninja steals the item and DOSNT notice the dosnt try to sell it back to you but if they steal it and try to sell it back to you then you have the option to finish the missiuon
ps. let me guess you also want salvaging other people wrecks to be flaggable and mission sites to be unscannable and your L4s to be even more easy
I wish that salvaging was a flagged offense. You can steal from a macros can though and orbit them at 500 and they still won't shoot at you. And then even if you steal from a regular mission running person most times they still don't shoot at you. Talk a lot in local sure, but shoot... not really. SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN |
Paul Clavet
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.08.14 14:05:00 -
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Mission objectives are for sale on the contracts system, thus they are valuable and worth swiping. If you don't want someone to take your Damsel, protect her like you would any other 18 million ISK item.
Originally by: Schalac And then even if you steal from a regular mission running person most times they still don't shoot at you. Talk a lot in local sure, but shoot... not really.
The ones that do shoot tend to get blown up, like this Drake last night, or this Raven, or this Megathron. Shooting at ninjas makes bad things happen. ---- Suddenly Ninjas Blog: My Loot, Your Tears
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Jarvis Hellstrom
Gallente The Flying Tigers
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Posted - 2009.08.14 15:34:00 -
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Edited by: Jarvis Hellstrom on 14/08/2009 15:34:36
Originally by: Paul Clavet <snip>. Shooting at ninjas makes bad things happen.
Yeah, like a ganker fleet of RR ships picking on a PVE fit ship. Whoo! You guys can really PvP beating on the helpless like that!
I kind of like this link though TEARS Losses
Gee, look at that. Twice as many dead ninjas as kills and most of those by gankfleets targeting noobs. You guys are real brave.
May God stand between you and harm in all the Empty places you must walk
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Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2009.08.14 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Jarvis Hellstrom Edited by: Jarvis Hellstrom on 14/08/2009 15:34:36
Originally by: Paul Clavet <snip>. Shooting at ninjas makes bad things happen.
Yeah, like a ganker fleet of RR ships picking on a PVE fit ship. Whoo! You guys can really PvP beating on the helpless like that!
I kind of like this link though TEARS Losses
Gee, look at that. Twice as many dead ninjas as kills and most of those by gankfleets targeting noobs. You guys are real brave.
Brave has nothing to do with anything. EVE is the most anti-ganker pay to play MMO game out there. So many hoops and standing hits hoops to jump through now I don't understand why anyone complains about being popped. Hell in wow you can do 90% of the things you do in EVE to kill people with no repercussions. In EVE you lose sec stats, ships, granted a minimal amount of money, but still money, time to get to the next mark.... That is unless you can actually get someone to shoot you, and then in most cases where people do actually do shoot you it becomes a stalemate because we both have remote rep alts and ECM alts.... BLAH BLAH BLAH .... |
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.08.14 16:09:00 -
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Only change I'd add is that a mission specific item is always dropped when the thief gets killed so it doesn't end up destroyed even if you risk to aggress him. Also it should be dropped in a can owned by the mission owner just as if you just popped the mission NPC rat.
After all, your job is to retrieve that item and you are granted the right (and expected) to murder everyone that gets between you and this mission specific item.
If it's not mission specific, well, then just buy it somewhere else, the agent won't notice the difference. -------- Ideas for: Mining
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Gin G
Halls Of Valhalla
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Posted - 2009.08.14 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Jarvis Hellstrom Edited by: Jarvis Hellstrom on 14/08/2009 15:34:36
Originally by: Paul Clavet <snip>. Shooting at ninjas makes bad things happen.
Yeah, like a ganker fleet of RR ships picking on a PVE fit ship. Whoo! You guys can really PvP beating on the helpless like that!
I kind of like this link though TEARS Losses
Gee, look at that. Twice as many dead ninjas as kills and most of those by gankfleets targeting noobs. You guys are real brave.
who gives a crap if its "real" pvp
a kill is a kill
simple Please refrain from editing a moderator's warning. Zymurgist |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.08.14 16:55:00 -
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Quote: who gives a crap if its "real" pvp
It matters for ePeening. And you can score forumpoints if you show that the corp of the person you're arguing against lost some t1 frigates.
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Darkdood
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Posted - 2009.08.14 17:42:00 -
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You can argue till your blue in the face about salvage fine. There is no argument about mission objectives.
Some loser in a Vigil grabbing the 1-3 m3 sized mission objective and warping away with the mission runner in a BC/BS having 0 chance to stop him isn't even remotely cool. This is not nor should it ever be part of any game. If the devs think otherwise then I think I might have to seriously reconsider playing this game all together. This is grief play plain and simple and the devs need to fix it.
For all you lame asses out there that say you should get friends to help you or you should better secure your cargo blah blah get a clue. Forcing people to have a gang of 4 people to complete a mission that normally requires 1-2 is just plain annoying. You can't MAKE the highsec carebares PvP you. If they don't want to play that way and you try to force them they will leave the game.
You want to take loot to try and sucker them into a fight fine. It is there option to fight or ignore you. Mission objectives are a whole other matter and should not be accessible to anyone outside of the fleet doing the mission.
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Izztyrr Maemtor
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.14 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: Darkdood If the devs think otherwise then I think I might have to seriously reconsider playing this game all together.
can i haz ur stuff
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Jordus
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Posted - 2009.08.18 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: Schalac Brave has nothing to do with anything. EVE is the most anti-ganker pay to play MMO game out there. So many hoops and standing hits hoops to jump through now I don't understand why anyone complains about being popped. Hell in wow you can do 90% of the things you do in EVE to kill people with no repercussions. In EVE you lose sec stats, ships, granted a minimal amount of money, but still money, time to get to the next mark.... That is unless you can actually get someone to shoot you, and then in most cases where people do actually do shoot you it becomes a stalemate because we both have remote rep alts and ECM alts.... BLAH BLAH BLAH ....
Are you ******ed? In wow you can only be ganked in like 30-60% of the gameworld. In eve you can be ganked ANYWHERE, at ANYTIME, well except inside station anyways, but you can be pinned at a station whereas in wow you can just 'magicaly reappear' at the other side of the zone. Also in eve we have negative repercussions because in pvp isk is lost/gained, so there needs to be a system that gives some sort of counter-balance, try using your brain ffs. And sorry but a lot of eve players choose to fight with something called honour and skill it's just the griefers who rely on 3 to 1 numbers or higher or who go looking for pve fitted ships, claiming everyone fights like that when from what i have seen YOU are the minority in eve.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.08.18 09:58:00 -
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Originally by: Booken Blue Any mission cans that drops from a structure or specific rat and is needed to turn in a mission should be locked from outside interferance and shown red to anyone not in fleet.
This would prevent ninjas from taking it away and allowing mission runners to turn-in their mission.
Nah. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Death of Virtue is Recruiting
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Trimutius III
Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Booken Blue Any mission cans that drops from a structure or specific rat and is needed to turn in a mission should be locked from outside interferance and shown red to anyone not in fleet.
This would prevent ninjas from taking it away and allowing mission runners to turn-in their mission.
Oh and now u have 1 week perfect safe spot where nobody can get u... Nice try...
If can is locked to character maybe, but i doubt CCP will do at least this... but deadspace should be accesible to anyone who wants...
Plus if u fail a mission it isn't end of the world... Fail it and go on with ur agent running... Plus if u do care then try to be more careful and don't give away ur objective item that easy, be inventive try to make fool of ninjas or wait until they get bored or go away (or warp out and let NPC shoot at ninja a little) there is always a solution... U may even write down ninja nickname, convo him and buy ur item from him if u so concerned to finish mission (i think he will agree to sell it to you (that is why he is stealing it i suppose)) ------------------------------------------------- I am envoy from nowhere in nowhere. Nobody and nothing have sent me. And though it is impossible I exist ¬ Trimutius |
Ydyp Ieva
Caldari Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: Paul Clavet Mission objectives are for sale on the contracts system, thus they are valuable and worth swiping. If you don't want someone to take your Damsel, protect her like you would any other 18 million ISK item.
Originally by: Schalac And then even if you steal from a regular mission running person most times they still don't shoot at you. Talk a lot in local sure, but shoot... not really.
The ones that do shoot tend to get blown up, like this Drake last night, or this Raven, or this Megathron. Shooting at ninjas makes bad things happen.
I tend to shoot and haven't lost any mission ship to them yet. But whatever I got friends to that rep up and corp mates that help dps the aggressor down. Let him bring the logistics out in the open away from docking range, the more targets of that the more fun it is
But well you got those fast inties or those covops that just wait untill you pop the last, not even a tractor or normal pve fit can win the race against those to the can for the mission objective. But I have to say I didn't expect anything else of the first 3 people, they express so much love to griefing others. ---------------------------------- None of yet! |
Belrend Coregaul
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Posted - 2009.08.18 10:48:00 -
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Supporting locked mission OBJECTIVE items.
Calling can-flipping posters bashing the idea idiots.
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