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Tara Moss	Posted - 2009.08.14 19:26:00 - [1] I'm looking for recommendations for a cheap and effective pvp ship. Something that will not break the bank but is a valued asset to a gang. Imagine if you were FC...what would you want? My criteria are: - Effective small gang pvp - Cost <50mil after insurance (approx) I fly Amarr, Caldari & Gallente upto BS and HAC, but other suggestions are welcome for the purpose of discussion. Thanks.
ArmyOfMe The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.08.14 19:29:00 - [2] whats it for? 0,0 or empire stuff?
Bestofworst Worstofbest Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.08.14 19:30:00 - [3] How bout Myrm, cause I've been wondering this too. 0.0 PvP, small gang to solo. I had a setup with a Dual boosted, dual rep active tank with Projectiles and a neut but couldn't see myself T2 fitting it with the market down here. ________________________________________________ My Music Posts slowly rising in quality to the decline of my dignity.
Christina Bamar Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.08.14 19:34:00 - [4] Originally by: ArmyOfMe whats it for? 0,0 or empire stuff? this, it really depends on where you fly, how you fly, what your gangmates fly, etc. CEO, Agony Unleashed
Kovorix	Posted - 2009.08.14 19:42:00 - [5] Dominix.
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2009.08.14 19:42:00 - [6] Shield buffered Brutix or Harbinger come to mind. Should be well below 50mill a pop with rigs.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Vanguard.	Posted - 2009.08.14 20:00:00 - [7] Cheapest ship I have is a t1 fitted destroyer used for catching stuff on gates and anti inti work, pricetag shouldn't be more than one or two million. It realy is a great little ship because it is rather good while being cheaper than most peoples pods.
Zal Dakkar	Posted - 2009.08.14 20:12:00 - [8] Edited by: Zal Dakkar on 14/08/2009 20:12:31 Originally by: Tara Moss I'm looking for recommendations for a cheap and effective pvp ship. Something that will not break the bank but is a valued asset to a gang. Imagine if you were FC...what would you want? My criteria are: - Effective small gang pvp - Cost <50mil after insurance (approx) I fly Amarr, Caldari & Gallente upto BS and HAC, but other suggestions are welcome for the purpose of discussion. Thanks. It depends on the strategic situation, enemy target (numbers and ship types), the friendly gang (numbers and ship types available), and your skills and abilities at flying the different ship classes. Typically for small gang I would not suggest using a BS... unless it is a small RR BS gang. Purely on a numbers basis, that loss amount limits you to t1 ships (t2 fitted) or t2 frigates (rigging depends on type and how price is affected by the upcoming patch).
Stela'Artois Capital Ventures Incorporated	Posted - 2009.08.14 20:44:00 - [9] Cheap gank thorax to add DPS. Cheap Vexor, ads good dps, decent solo too. Can be fitted with RR for after battle repairs. Other than what was said, I will agree with destroyers...they make dangerous anti-frig/anti-inty ships, are generally ignored during larger fights, and if you do get targeted, oh well...out <5mil for a well fitted one.
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Tara Moss	Posted - 2009.08.14 20:59:00 - [11] Originally by: ArmyOfMe whats it for? 0,0 or empire stuff? 0.0 and/or low-sec. But mostly 0.0. Originally by: baltec1 destroyer Not bad per se, but I fear it may be a little too vulnerable and lack enough firepower to make a meaningful contribution. Still useful and worth keeping in mind. Originally by: Zal Dakkar It depends on the strategic situation, enemy target (numbers and ship types), the friendly gang (numbers and ship types available), and your skills and abilities at flying the different ship classes. Typically for small gang I would not suggest using a BS... unless it is a small RR BS gang. Purely on a numbers basis, that loss amount limits you to t1 ships (t2 fitted) or t2 frigates (rigging depends on type and how price is affected by the upcoming patch). Thanks for the advice. To clarify my skills are either max or near-maxed for BS or HAC ships (although only HAC IV currently). My drone skills are decent but no T2 large yet. I don't know the type of friendlies available so versatility over specialisation is preferable -although the latter is by no means ruled out. Because I can fly 3 races reasonably well but have no particular emphasis on any of them I find it hard to know which kind of strategy/ship to focus on.
Joe Starbreaker The Fighting Republicans	Posted - 2009.08.14 21:19:00 - [12] If you can fly Amarr BS, the Armageddon is excellent and actually quite cheap to replace. Currently the insurance payouts are significantly higher than what the ship costs, so you're only looking at a replacement cost of 20-30 million for the ship plus fittings and new insurance. = the GOP is recruiting =
Christina Bamar Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.08.14 21:21:00 - [13] If your gang needs... Tackle -> Interceptor or Interdictor, which one is up to you, both should come in under 50 mil all together Ewar -> Blackbird, it's gives a lot of ewar for a small price, can't really beat it DPS -> Stealth bomber, gives you a lot of dps, at range, while still being small, mobile, and elusive. To top it off you can potentially add a bit of support ewar. Mix -> Arbitrator is a nice mix of dps, neuting, and ewar, all in a cheap package, it's a very nice ship but not often used. Be sure to stick to fast elusive ships if you're doing small gang warfare in 0.0. Better to be able to engage at range, and be fast enough to disengage if things go south, rather than having a bit more dps and being stuck in a fight. CEO, Agony Unleashed
Soporo Caldari	Posted - 2009.08.14 21:21:00 - [14] HIC's, even Dictors, Reppers and ECM ships are never turned down and are always welcome in 0.
Ronin Reborn Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.08.14 21:28:00 - [15] Harbinger w/Heavy pulse and 800mm plate. No rigs. Dominix for RR with 3x reps (t2 or arup, solace are about 7m a pop) Remote augmentor rigs instead of trimarks for cost. Scorp for fleets.
Misanth Reaper Industries	Posted - 2009.08.14 21:36:00 - [16] Battleships. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Vanguard.	Posted - 2009.08.14 21:53:00 - [17] Originally by: Tara Moss Originally by: baltec1 destroyer Not bad per se, but I fear it may be a little too vulnerable and lack enough firepower to make a meaningful contribution. Still useful and worth keeping in mind. They are a fine example of price not being everything. These things can stop intis in their tracks with their formidable volly damage coupled with very good tracking. Their lock time also makes them perfect for catching stuff on gates and they can get good speeds out of a t1 MWD. A well fitted dessy can even pose a challange to AF and buffer cruisers so it does have the makings of a solo ship.
AstroPhobic Divine Retribution	Posted - 2009.08.14 22:34:00 - [18] Unrigged BCs and cruisers of choice are my favorite low cost items. Though somehow everytime I fit a BC it ends up being 100m after fit
UMEE Gunship Diplomacy Double Dutch Rudders	Posted - 2009.08.14 23:00:00 - [19] gank vexor is most bang for the buck. always over 550 dps costing under 15mill. your other option is BC's
Bazuka	Posted - 2009.08.14 23:46:00 - [20] Every threads ends up with HAM Drake 4tw doesn`t it. Nerf Drake IMO! /duck ___________ CareMyBear!
Kyra Neve	Posted - 2009.08.14 23:52:00 - [21] Velator...it does more DPS than Crow with average skills...........................................
Kyra Neve	Posted - 2009.08.14 23:53:00 - [22] Originally by: Misanth Battleships. If it's zero zero, it's always battleships or hacs, ofc if not whining piwate fleet.
Jin Entres Malevolent Intervention	Posted - 2009.08.15 00:12:00 - [23] Originally by: AstroPhobic Unrigged BCs and cruisers of choice are my favorite low cost items. Though somehow everytime I fit a BC it ends up being 100m after fit Let me guess: ship 20 mil, T2 fit 10 mil, trimarks 70 mil I'm the same way.. P.S. It's ridiculous how cheap you can replace T1 BC/BS with insurance as it is. They really should cap it at 50% at the very least imo. ----------------------
AstroPhobic Divine Retribution	Posted - 2009.08.15 00:23:00 - [24] Originally by: Jin Entres Originally by: AstroPhobic Unrigged BCs and cruisers of choice are my favorite low cost items. Though somehow everytime I fit a BC it ends up being 100m after fit Let me guess: ship 20 mil, T2 fit 10 mil, trimarks 70 mil I'm the same way.. P.S. It's ridiculous how cheap you can replace T1 BC/BS with insurance as it is. They really should cap it at 50% at the very least imo. I don't even think rigged. More like 40m hull 10mil mids 8mil lows 15-20mil highs (a full rack of heavy pulse is not cheap!) 5mil drones 3-5mil ammo
Bestofworst Worstofbest Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.08.15 00:25:00 - [25] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Jin Entres Originally by: AstroPhobic Unrigged BCs and cruisers of choice are my favorite low cost items. Though somehow everytime I fit a BC it ends up being 100m after fit Let me guess: ship 20 mil, T2 fit 10 mil, trimarks 70 mil I'm the same way.. P.S. It's ridiculous how cheap you can replace T1 BC/BS with insurance as it is. They really should cap it at 50% at the very least imo. I don't even think rigged. More like 40m hull 10mil mids 8mil lows 15-20mil highs (a full rack of heavy pulse is not cheap!) 5mil drones 3-5mil ammo Well, I'll never be able to pvp in anything I can lose with 0 income. ________________________________________________ My Music Posts slowly rising in quality to the decline of my dignity.
Darthewok Caldari	Posted - 2009.08.15 00:35:00 - [26] Edited by: Darthewok on 15/08/2009 00:45:03 Cheap but effective in small gangs. Have seen them do well time and time again. Gallente: Brutix (guns>drones of the Myrmidon because of instant damage is better for fast actions) Amarr: Harbinger (nice DPS, relatively fast) Minmatar: Hurricane (fast, relatively OK DPS, versatile fittings) Caldari: Blackbird/Drake Note for fast small gangs, the BCs may want to have nanofibers and/or inertia stabilizers to keep up with the quick movement of the HACs/Inties. My 2 ISK anyway, -DE
The Djego Minmatar Hellequin Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.15 00:42:00 - [27] BC is the best bang for the buck, resonable price, target selection and survivalbility. If you stick to T2/cheap rigs(DPS, shield resists, lock speed ect.) you will get a deacend fitting done for 50 M after insurance. Basicly Drake, Harbinger, Brutix are solid choices. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
Kushan Caldari Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2009.08.15 02:56:00 - [28] Thorax or brutix. Hilarious amount of gank for the cost. paper tank, but eh, disposable anyway...
Bestofworst Worstofbest Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.08.15 03:07:00 - [29] Originally by: Kushan Thorax or brutix. Hilarious amount of gank for the cost. paper tank, but eh, disposable anyway... Hopefully medium rigs become a good bit cheaper. Because a buffer brutix with 3 Trimarks has been win for me so far on SiSi (I know, not actual testing ground, bla bla) ________________________________________________ My Music Posts slowly rising in quality to the decline of my dignity.
ReePeR McAllem The Carebear Stare	Posted - 2009.08.15 03:29:00 - [30] HAM drake

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