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evereplicant
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.29 09:31:00 -
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So im thinking that bombers are a pretty well used tactic, and used correctly can obliterate large fleets fairly quickly, even when you are fit correctly! due to the massive dps these put out.
Seems a little unbalance dont you think? That say 10 bombers can take out 30 ships quite quickly.
So i thinking perhaps we can offer some kind of protection and introduce 'shield bubbles' that can inly be used with hictors and dictors.
These will effectively act a shield bubble around ships, the bubbles shouldnt be totally indestructable and have the same HP ,same time length and distance as normal bubbles do now. So you can still knock them out so to speak. This just gives that unexpecting fleet a bit of a chance of survival and would add another level of gameplay and warfare tactics. Graphically would also look quite cool with ammo and missiles bouncing off them :)
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Samillian
Moonshine Industries The Last Chancers.
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Posted - 2012.05.29 10:22:00 -
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Not supported.
Bombers maybe powerful but bombing is more of an art than a science. I've seen far, far more failed (OHMYGODWEGOTSLAUGHTEREDFORNOTHING) runs and sad bomber killmails than successful bomb runs on fleets. Plus the idea of dictor deployable shield bubbles would I'm sure cause no end of balance problems. |
evereplicant
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.29 11:29:00 -
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Samillian wrote:Not supported.
Bombers maybe powerful but bombing is more of an art than a science. I've seen far, far more failed (OHMYGODWEGOTSLAUGHTEREDFORNOTHING) runs and sad bomber killmails than successful bomb runs on fleets. Plus the idea of dictor deployable shield bubbles would I'm sure cause no end of balance problems.
This would be true like last year, but bombing runs have become alot more effective has people know how to do it better and more effectively now. TBH even if you failed, you still have a very good chance of hitting a large fleet and cuasing considerable damage. Dont agree with the balance issue, I think its pretty unbalanced with bombers. A group of very cheap ships can take out a large group of expensive ships very easily. OK some bombers may fail and get caught but what do they lose? a few million isk ship? Compared to the ISK ratio its a big unbalance.
You can have a fleet of 200 ships and have 3 bomber fleets going (10 bombers per fleet) which could when staggered destroy this fleet in minutes, literally. Something wrong there... theres the imbalance you speak off.
All i propose is to level the playing field a little. However I do completely understand that in small gang roams and even solo this could cause an imbalance, effectively having a shield around your gang good make a hugh advantage. From this point yes I agree...
So i propose to change the idea alittle.
Shield Bubbles should have a max deployment time of 10 seconds Can only be used every 120s
With this it could offer an interesting new tactic for small gangs and give that solo guy a bit of a change when ganked. |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
526
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Posted - 2012.05.29 11:48:00 -
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Just as bombers take practice and mastery to be effective, it should take at least a bit of effort to defend against them. Not just hitting F1 and becoming invulnerable.
There are so many counters to bombers today that a succesful bombing run is much more often due to the fleet being bombed making a mistake than due to the bomber fleet doing everything right. |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2012.05.29 11:52:00 -
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evereplicant wrote:Samillian wrote:Not supported.
Bombers maybe powerful but bombing is more of an art than a science. I've seen far, far more failed (OHMYGODWEGOTSLAUGHTEREDFORNOTHING) runs and sad bomber killmails than successful bomb runs on fleets. Plus the idea of dictor deployable shield bubbles would I'm sure cause no end of balance problems. This would be true like last year, but bombing runs have become alot more effective has people know how to do it better and more effectively now. TBH even if you failed, you still have a very good chance of hitting a large fleet and cuasing considerable damage. Dont agree with the balance issue, I think its pretty unbalanced with bombers. A group of very cheap ships can take out a large group of expensive ships very easily. OK some bombers may fail and get caught but what do they lose? a few million isk ship? Compared to the ISK ratio its a big unbalance. You can have a fleet of 200 ships and have 3 bomber fleets going (10 bombers per fleet) which could when staggered destroy this fleet in minutes, literally. Something wrong there... theres the imbalance you speak off. All i propose is to level the playing field a little. However I do completely understand that in small gang roams and even solo this could cause an imbalance, effectively having a shield around your gang good make a hugh advantage. From this point yes I agree... So i propose to change the idea alittle. Shield Bubbles should have a max deployment time of 10 seconds Can only be used every 120s With this it could offer an interesting new tactic for small gangs and give that solo guy a bit of a change when ganked.
Well, for one thing, three waves of ten bombers wouldn't actually work, the bombs would kill eachother.
Bombers only work if you know what you're doing. I have also seen far more failed runs than successful ones, but even a bad bomber FC will keep a fleet on it's toes. Bombers are fine as they are.
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evereplicant
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.29 11:54:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:Just as bombers take practice and mastery to be effective, it should take at least a bit of effort to defend against them. Not just hitting F1 and becoming invulnerable.
There are so many counters to bombers today that a succesful bombing run is much more often due to the fleet being bombed making a mistake than due to the bomber fleet doing everything right.
Noit sure I can agree in whole. Bombers also have the element of surprise by being cloaked.. You cant counter for that.
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evereplicant
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.29 11:56:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:evereplicant wrote:Samillian wrote:Not supported.
Bombers maybe powerful but bombing is more of an art than a science. I've seen far, far more failed (OHMYGODWEGOTSLAUGHTEREDFORNOTHING) runs and sad bomber killmails than successful bomb runs on fleets. Plus the idea of dictor deployable shield bubbles would I'm sure cause no end of balance problems. This would be true like last year, but bombing runs have become alot more effective has people know how to do it better and more effectively now. TBH even if you failed, you still have a very good chance of hitting a large fleet and cuasing considerable damage. Dont agree with the balance issue, I think its pretty unbalanced with bombers. A group of very cheap ships can take out a large group of expensive ships very easily. OK some bombers may fail and get caught but what do they lose? a few million isk ship? Compared to the ISK ratio its a big unbalance. You can have a fleet of 200 ships and have 3 bomber fleets going (10 bombers per fleet) which could when staggered destroy this fleet in minutes, literally. Something wrong there... theres the imbalance you speak off. All i propose is to level the playing field a little. However I do completely understand that in small gang roams and even solo this could cause an imbalance, effectively having a shield around your gang good make a hugh advantage. From this point yes I agree... So i propose to change the idea alittle. Shield Bubbles should have a max deployment time of 10 seconds Can only be used every 120s With this it could offer an interesting new tactic for small gangs and give that solo guy a bit of a change when ganked. Well, for one thing, three waves of ten bombers wouldn't actually work, the bombs would kill eachother. Bombers only work if you know what you're doing. I have also seen far more failed runs than successful ones, but even a bad bomber FC will keep a fleet on it's toes. Bombers are fine as they are.
I did say 'staggered' so they wouldnt be bombing at the same time probably 30 seconds after each run. I never said anytnign was wrong with bombers, I am just suggesting a counter balance. Becuase they are overpowered in a group of 10-20 bombers.. |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
631
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Posted - 2012.05.29 14:39:00 -
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Here's an Idea...post with your main.
Otherwise... walk away.
Because its obvious your crying over getting owned by a bomber.
Stealth Bombers are not overpowered...because you don't know how to deal with them.
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Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
618
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Posted - 2012.05.29 15:56:00 -
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evereplicant wrote:Danika Princip wrote:evereplicant wrote:Samillian wrote:Not supported.
Bombers maybe powerful but bombing is more of an art than a science. I've seen far, far more failed (OHMYGODWEGOTSLAUGHTEREDFORNOTHING) runs and sad bomber killmails than successful bomb runs on fleets. Plus the idea of dictor deployable shield bubbles would I'm sure cause no end of balance problems. This would be true like last year, but bombing runs have become alot more effective has people know how to do it better and more effectively now. TBH even if you failed, you still have a very good chance of hitting a large fleet and cuasing considerable damage. Dont agree with the balance issue, I think its pretty unbalanced with bombers. A group of very cheap ships can take out a large group of expensive ships very easily. OK some bombers may fail and get caught but what do they lose? a few million isk ship? Compared to the ISK ratio its a big unbalance. You can have a fleet of 200 ships and have 3 bomber fleets going (10 bombers per fleet) which could when staggered destroy this fleet in minutes, literally. Something wrong there... theres the imbalance you speak off. All i propose is to level the playing field a little. However I do completely understand that in small gang roams and even solo this could cause an imbalance, effectively having a shield around your gang good make a hugh advantage. From this point yes I agree... So i propose to change the idea alittle. Shield Bubbles should have a max deployment time of 10 seconds Can only be used every 120s With this it could offer an interesting new tactic for small gangs and give that solo guy a bit of a change when ganked. Well, for one thing, three waves of ten bombers wouldn't actually work, the bombs would kill eachother. Bombers only work if you know what you're doing. I have also seen far more failed runs than successful ones, but even a bad bomber FC will keep a fleet on it's toes. Bombers are fine as they are. I did say 'staggered' so they wouldnt be bombing at the same time probably 30 seconds after each run. I never said anytnign was wrong with bombers, I am just suggesting a counter balance. Becuase they are overpowered in a group of 10-20 bombers..
Three staggered waves of ten won't work either, they'll still kill eachother.
And swarms of bombers like that are not overpowered. You still need a decnet bomber FC for them, or you're not going to do anything. I've seen everything from bombs going to wrong way to mixed bomb types incinerating eachother to warping straight into a bubble far more often than I've seen a decent bomb run decimate a fleet. Properly led, they're a thorn in the side of a BS or BC fleet. Led by idiots, they die like flies.
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
658
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Posted - 2012.05.29 17:25:00 -
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Oh look, a thread screaming ABLOO BLOO BLOO I GOT KILLED BY BOMBERS! NERF THEM!
Would you like some cheese to go with your whine? Or are you so injured emotionally that you need a Waaaahmbulance?
Bombers are not overpowered, and your ****tarded idea would break game mechanics.
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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evereplicant
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.29 19:48:00 -
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Drake Draconis wrote:Here's an Idea...post with your main.
Otherwise... walk away.
Because its obvious your crying over getting owned by a bomber.
Stealth Bombers are not overpowered...because you don't know how to deal with them.
Stop changing the game to suit your needs.
Hahah what an absolute idiot you are Drake. This is why you are the biggest waste of space and troll on these forums with nothing better to do but insult people.. GTFO, get a life, get laid...
for your information i live in low sec lmao... Oh but sorry I cant have an opinion on the game in other areas according to you... what a tw@t you are... |
Valerie Tessel
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
143
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Posted - 2012.05.29 20:45:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:Just as bombers take practice and mastery to be effective, it should take at least a bit of effort to defend against them. Not just hitting F1 and becoming invulnerable.
There are so many counters to bombers today that a succesful bombing run is much more often due to the fleet being bombed making a mistake than due to the bomber fleet doing everything right. I'd rather see something like Remote Shield Extenders than a bubble. They'd have a cycle time where say 25% of the time they are "recovering". Their affect simply acts as a straight increase to the shield strength of the target. Support Aegis Destroyers: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=97610 |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
730
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Posted - 2012.05.29 21:11:00 -
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People have been asking for mechanics to counter "the blob" for YEARS. Now you want to take away one of the few things that effectively counters a large fleet?
Oh yeah... super-sensor-booster artillery-fit Muninn/Tornado/Tempest will make very short work of bombers. Being spread out helps too. I heard of an interceptor using a rack of small smartbombs was used once too (though, that one DOES sound a bit far fetched).
On last thing: this idea you are proposing will have FAR reaching consequences for 0.0 PvP in general. It will not be used strictly against bombers and fleets will try to bring as many of these bubbles as they can to safeguard logistics and other "critical" ships... making fleet battles more of a grind than they already are. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Rastino
Silent Society Ineluctable.
1
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Posted - 2012.05.30 03:13:00 -
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evereplicant wrote:Drake Draconis wrote:Here's an Idea...post with your main.
Otherwise... walk away.
Because its obvious your crying over getting owned by a bomber.
Stealth Bombers are not overpowered...because you don't know how to deal with them.
Stop changing the game to suit your needs. Hahah what an absolute idiot you are Drake. This is why you are the biggest waste of space and troll on these forums with nothing better to do but insult people.. GTFO, get a life, get laid... for your information i live in low sec lmao... Oh but sorry I cant have an opinion on the game in other areas according to you... what a tw@t you are...
Umad bro?
And it is one of the more stupid proposals I ever read here. It would **** up 0.0 PvP big time. Lets try for a moment and imagen that people actually use the counters that are here today.... Its just a thought |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
632
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Posted - 2012.05.30 03:30:00 -
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evereplicant wrote:Drake Draconis wrote:Here's an Idea...post with your main.
Otherwise... walk away.
Because its obvious your crying over getting owned by a bomber.
Stealth Bombers are not overpowered...because you don't know how to deal with them.
Stop changing the game to suit your needs. Hahah what an absolute idiot you are Drake. This is why you are the biggest waste of space and troll on these forums with nothing better to do but insult people.. GTFO, get a life, get laid... for your information i live in low sec lmao... Oh but sorry I cant have an opinion on the game in other areas according to you... what a tw@t you are...
Says the NPC'd alt whos crying over getting his @$$ owned by stealth bombers and instead of learning to deal with it..comes crying over here like a care bear and wants to say "THATS NOT FAIR"
Oh and for your information... I live in Null Sec.
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Amun Khonsu
3-Prong Operational Resources The Fendahlian Collective
41
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Posted - 2012.05.30 15:35:00 -
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evereplicant wrote:Drake Draconis wrote:Here's an Idea...post with your main.
Otherwise... walk away.
Because its obvious your crying over getting owned by a bomber.
Stealth Bombers are not overpowered...because you don't know how to deal with them.
Stop changing the game to suit your needs. Hahah what an absolute idiot you are Drake. This is why you are the biggest waste of space and troll on these forums with nothing better to do but insult people.. GTFO, get a life, get laid... for your information i live in low sec lmao... Oh but sorry I cant have an opinion on the game in other areas according to you... what a tw@t you are...
+1 to that.
on the OP,
Im not sold yet but at least the pilot is brainstorming. Fight them until turmoil is no more and strike terror into their hearts. |
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