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BelovarReborn
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Posted - 2009.09.04 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Yuri Intaki
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah NO PEACE AS LONG AS YURI IS IN THE ILF.
2009.09.04 10:56 Intaki Militia has declared war on Eleutherian Guard. Within 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved.
i'm no longer in ILF and you have insulted me too many times. Now you can prove your worth. Rest of your corp....I have no quarrel with.
Seriphyn Inhonores is an enemy of the People. Your militia cell will be rewarded if you murder this Federation tyrant.
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Simon Coal
Gallente The Grass Spiders
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Posted - 2009.09.05 07:33:00 -
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Originally by: Hamish Grayson The values and traditions of the Intaki have almost been completely replaced with the values and traditions of the Gallente.
This is so untrue it's... well, actually, it's not funny at all. Care to support your statement?
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Stitcher
Caldari ForgeTech Industries
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Posted - 2009.09.05 09:13:00 -
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My experience of certain Intaki friends and business partners of mine - most of whom are Reborn - might give me reason to disagree with Grayson-haan's assessment that the Intaki are being consumed by Gallentean culture, but still...
I spent the middle third of my capsuleer career to date living in the Federation, working on behalf of a corporation founded by my aforementioned Intaki colleagues. During that time I came to several conclusions about Federation culture and why I don't like it.
In the State, obviously, any given station is going to be broadly similar to any other given station - only the details change. Local slang, fashion, mannerisms and other products of the corporate environment grant them a flavour, but you largely know what you're getting with a Caldari station. Yet strangely, what stands out about Caldari stations is the differences. Because most of them are founded on a standard template, the variations stand out. A well-travelled connoisseur could probably tell what station they were on just by interacting with people and picking out the small variations.
I always found Gallentean stations to be chaotic and full of dozens of sparkling individuals all of whom became a part of the crowd simply because all of them were trying to stand out from it. The common thread in Gallentean stations is the similarity - through all that chaos and messy attempts and individualism, it's the constants that ring through like a beacon. The adverts are the same everywhere you go: the Quafe girl, that bare skin-on-white theme that Egonics like, those stupid "be a Fedo, join the circus!" recruitment ads for the Federation Navy... the people are the same, not because they dress the same or cut their hair the same way, but precisely because they are trying not to. People listen to the same music by the same celebrities, watch the same trivee shows, shop at the same FedMart outlet, eat and drink the same brands, take the same drugs, and pay the same money to watch the same bored-looking demigoddesses gyrate half-heartedly on the same poles.
I once met a young man who tried to pick me up in a bar, and seemed quietly relieved when I turned him down, on the grounds that my backwards Caldari views on sexuality forbade it. He confided that he didn't really like men, and that he'd only chosen me so that he could look fashionably bisexual at minimal risk of being taken up on it, so that he could go find himself a willing young lady on the rebound instead.
Come on, we are discussing a society where a person's sexual appetites can be - indeed ARE - the subject of fashion.
The point is that the Federation monoculture infuses every aspect of life in Gallentean space (or at least, aboard the stations it does). I find it hard to believe that an ethnic group could retain its cultural identity in that mess indefinitely. the Federation is, in my personal experience, a homogenizing influence. - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain. |
Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2009.09.05 09:20:00 -
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Edited by: Seriphyn Inhonores on 05/09/2009 09:21:04 I have never heard such a terrible assessment of Federation culture before, Hakatain, you should know better than to make a sweeping statement like that.
I have a gagging order on the EL-G, so won't break it (further) by a long post. I just suggest you visit the Federation outside its stations where Gallente popular culture dominates. Of course Gallente mainstream culture is there on stations, it's space where things travel far and wide! I suggest you visit the countless planets first, where it really matters, before you make an assessment. There are trillions of us, to dismiss us as 'homogenous' is foolishness at best. Each planet has their own culture in their own special way
You are also missing out the individual member state worlds colonies which are not permeated by Gallente mainstream culture, for example, Lirsautton and other Jin-Mei outposts.
Eugh, enough.
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Stitcher
Caldari ForgeTech Industries
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Posted - 2009.09.05 14:21:00 -
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Edited by: Stitcher on 05/09/2009 14:23:54 It's hardly a generalization to relate my personal experience and impression as an outsider, surely? I don't form opinions lightly, Inhonores - if I say something, I try to base it on observational evidence and reasonable conclusions.
The principle is fairly simple, actually - too much clashing of colour and form is confusing to the senses. Several species of herd animal on several different planets in the cluster use this lfact to their advantage, with garish, strikingly-patterned coats that make it hard for a predator to tell where one creature ends and the rest of the herd begins. Hell, naval camouflage on several planets, back when a navy was a water-based thing, effectively camouflaged their vessels with crazy jagged blocks of colour, none of which presented the silhouette of a ship and thus the eye which was looking for such a silhouette just skipped over them. Sounds counter-intuitive, which is exactly why it worked.
That's exactly the impression I get whenever I visit a Gallentean station - too many people trying so hard to be different just results in a confusing mass from which no one person can stand out. Throw in the fact that advertising campaigns and celebrity figures seem to be universal across the whole Federation and the overarching impression is of sameness - Human white noise going about its business under the glare of the ubiquitous consumer culture.
Difference and individuality are ubiquitous in the Federation - that's the paradox. everybody is unique and special.... just like everybody else. - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain. |
Simon Coal
Gallente The Grass Spiders
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Posted - 2009.09.05 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher as an outsider
Here's the problem. Trust me, it gets me too; part of the reason I spend so much time in my quarters or in the pod. People who've spent lots of time in the riot and spray of metropolitan Federal areas have few problems with it and can pick individuals and subcultures out practically by instinct. Qualities I hired two bodyguards for, as a matter of fact.
I'd bet Federal citizens in Caldari stations have similar problems, probably tending to the other end of the scale. They don't know what gaits, styles and markings are important, so it all looks, well, foreign. Samey, subdued and indistinct to counter your 'too many', 'trying so hard' and 'confusing mass'.
Those last two sentences, why do you make it sound like they're confusing? There's really no paradox there.
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Stitcher
Caldari ForgeTech Industries
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Posted - 2009.09.05 16:14:00 -
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Well "difference" to me implies standing out from the norm. if there IS no norm, then how can anybody or anything be genuinely different? - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain. |
Jon Engel
Intaki Liberation Front
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Posted - 2009.09.05 16:55:00 -
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Rampant hedonism, is a threat to Intaki culture. For centuries such acts where thrown at our people. Not because we accepted it, but because the Gallente gave us no choice.
Our culture is under attack from everywhere these days. Ethnic Gallenteans, Minmitar immigrants, Ammarian missionaries, and less not forget we may soon be facing the onslaught of Caldari Corporate culture.
Intaki, as a people need to be seperated from the Empires of old. Not because of some political ideology. Merely as way to ensure our way survives.
Time will tell if the Intaki of Placid, and those of the Syndicate will rally around our ancestors and take what was denied us. Or we will be cast under the floor mats of dead societies and become a minority in our own land, destined for extinction.
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Simon Coal
Gallente The Grass Spiders
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Posted - 2009.09.05 21:15:00 -
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Really, Hakatain-bhaiya? Would you say fire is different from ice? Which one is normal and which one diverges from that norm? Are their differences not geniune?
>Simon makes a face< That's entirely too close to philosophy. I think we're running directly into a cultural difference.
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2009.09.06 15:45:00 -
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Today, Ankh's CEO entered a faction warfare complex as neutral entity, to provide intelligence to FDU. Essentially, you have become what you hated, a neutral entity engaging in war. Of course you will try to spin that you are Gallente, fighting for Gallente space or that your application for FDU has not been processed yet.
Nonetheless, your rhetoric and argument against ILF just collapsed as you have turned into same.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
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Sabi Aubery
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2009.09.06 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Damar Rocarion Today, Ankh's CEO entered a faction warfare complex as neutral entity, to provide intelligence to FDU. Essentially, you have become what you hated, a neutral entity engaging in war. Of course you will try to spin that you are Gallente, fighting for Gallente space or that your application for FDU has not been processed yet.
Nonetheless, your rhetoric and argument against ILF just collapsed as you have turned into same.
His argument has, but judging from what I've read about the guy, he's real good at being loud and stupid at the same time.
I admire the hell out of that talent, but you probably guessed that already.
Speaking of hell, how are you, General Carrion? Missed you out on the course the other day. Wish I could say your friends in the Caldari Navy missed me, but looks like somebody told them a good way to screw up General Erian and General Gessanier's back nine was to try to take out their caddie. Didn't work, but Heth love 'em, they did try.
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Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2009.09.06 20:04:00 -
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Damar Rocarion, what are you talking about? You realize it takes 7 days for standings to process so a corporation can be enlisted in the Federal Defence Union?
Mon dieu, man. The EL-G is not neutral towards the Caldari, as for the ILF, blue standings is currently being considered, having been offered from Hawke-ji.
Dearie me.
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2009.09.06 20:35:00 -
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Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 06/09/2009 20:37:01 Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 06/09/2009 20:36:25
Originally by: Sabi Aubery Missed you out on the course the other day.
I was quite well. In the morning few pirates harassed me so I killed two of their ships. Then me and my corp member in Caracals attacked three gallente assault frigates and destroyer, killed all for no losses.
I was unfortunately recalled planetside but my corp member in his caracal came across Mr. Erian in Ishkur and his ally in Rapier and promptly killed both. This morning i've mainly been chasing Mr. Erian away from plexes (and killing pirates), except one in Annancale where he called a pirate Loki to chase after me.
That is understandable. By his own admission he has allied with Ray of Matar, S****and few other pirate corporations.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
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Sabi Aubery
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2009.09.06 21:36:00 -
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Edited by: Sabi Aubery on 06/09/2009 21:36:03
Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores Damar Rocarion, what are you talking about? You realize it takes 7 days for standings to process so a corporation can be enlisted in the Federal Defence Union?
Think he does, yeah.
Originally by: Damar Rocarion Of course you will try to spin that you are Gallente, fighting for Gallente space or that your application for FDU has not been processed yet.
Not that I'm full of love for the General. Think I'm still on his **** list for pointing out that I'd heard ****ing a Caldari was like rolling around in dead fish.
But think he does realize that the paperwork's a *****, yeah. Doesn't mean he can't still suggest that you're a hypocrite for bashing the ILF for helping out the Caldari when you're out helping us out while your corp's still on the books as being a neutral party.
He's not on our side. He can make suggestions like that. It's okay.
Just like I can suggest you're too busy doing what you think's right to bother looking up the definition of the word 'hypocrite'. Hell, I'm currently too busy trying to get unpromoted (again) to ... never mind. You don't need to know about my personal life.
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Dante Vailatti
Gallente Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2009.09.07 12:31:00 -
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Intaki freedom? Funny that.
On being hypocritical, why would you claim to want 'freedom' yet not accept the rsponsibility for following the laws of the "free" government that you and countless millions of your bretheren voted as your governmental system of choice?
If you want Intaki seperation, vote in people who will bring the subject up for a vote among all who are equal. If the vote passes, then fine. Good luck. If not, suck it up and try again next election. Follow due process. Follow the laws you pretend to want and accept.
It's these dead-fish ***kers that are the problem. They are traitors to the cause of freedom as well as thier own government.
"Oh boo-hoo, our system has become a low-sec backwater. Woe is me.
"I know! Instead of doing something constructive to better my system, I'll pick up a gun and shoot at my own government for not making sure I have enough ISK in my pocket. I'm not a pirate! I'm not a traitor! I'm a LIBERATOR! Yeah, I'm just like the Minmatar rebels but I'm cool 'cause all I have to do hide in my asteroid belt and shoot at the occasional frigate while yelping on comm systems how a free Intaki would be better for everyone because it might be better than the tired pathetic existance I have now!
"What? You want me to mine asteroids? To engage in trade? You want me to show that me and my people are responsible citizens who deserve the added protection of Concord ships? NO! I SAY NO! I'm going to sit here and throw a tantrum and help the Caldari strip-mine my homeworld and put up a shopping complex because it's easier than accepting the responsibility for my actions!"
Pathetic, isn't it? And you wonder why the rest of the galaxy dosen't really care so much about Intaki? Consider the threats of Amarr slavery and Caldari facism and ask youself again if being a militant, a terrorist, a traitor is really worth it in the long run.
Isn't it easier, isn't it SMARTER to work WITH the government that YOU helped elect instead of shooting at and killing those who are your true friends and family?
Who is the dead-fish ***king hypocite now bucko?
D.
(just my .02ISK.)
"In the promise of another world A dreadful knowledge comes How even space can modulate And earthly things be done."
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Saxon Hawke
Intaki Liberation Front
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Posted - 2009.09.07 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Dante Vailatti
If you want Intaki seperation, vote in people who will bring the subject up for a vote among all who are equal. If the vote passes, then fine. Good luck. If not, suck it up and try again next election. Follow due process. Follow the laws you pretend to want and accept.
The ILF has long championed the peaceful creation of an Intaki State. I personally have lobbied in the Senate for a referendum and petitioned the Supreme Court to issue a judgment on the legal standings of the matter. To date, I have made many friends in these organizations and am held in high regard by them both, but have not been able to persuade them into action.
Originally by: Dante Vailatti
"Oh boo-hoo, our system has become a low-sec backwater. Woe is me.
"I know! Instead of doing something constructive to better my system, I'll pick up a gun and shoot at my own government for not making sure I have enough ISK in my pocket. I'm not a pirate! I'm not a traitor! I'm a LIBERATOR! Yeah, I'm just like the Minmatar rebels but I'm cool 'cause all I have to do hide in my asteroid belt and shoot at the occasional frigate while yelping on comm systems how a free Intaki would be better for everyone because it might be better than the tired pathetic existance I have now!
"What? You want me to mine asteroids? To engage in trade? You want me to show that me and my people are responsible citizens who deserve the added protection of Concord ships? NO! I SAY NO! I'm going to sit here and throw a tantrum and help the Caldari strip-mine my homeworld and put up a shopping complex because it's easier than accepting the responsibility for my actions!"
Maybe you haven't been paying attention, but the things you mention as constructive are the very things the ILF has been doing in Intaki for more than two years. Chances are if you bought a piece of equipment at the Astral Mining station orbiting the homeworld you bought it from the ILF. The equipment we sell is either locally produced or taken from the wreckage of the pirates and Serpentis drug runners we fight on a daily basis.
I can assure you that any ship destroyed by an ILF pilot was deemed to be an immediate threat or belonged to a pilot whose corporation has been flagged as kill on sight for past transgressions against the ILF or the general security of the Intaki System.
As I have stated NUMEROUS times now, the ILF does not support the Caldari sale of the Intaki System, nor do we recognize any outside claim to the sovereignty of the system. The Intaki System and all its resources belong to the people who live there and no one else.
Mr. Vailatti, and anyone else who THINKS they know what the ILF is about, I would like to invite you personally to visit our Web site. I believe you will find it full of information that may enlighten you to our actual positions.
We're really not the boogey men some would make us out to be.
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Apollonius Verus
Intaki Liberation Front
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Posted - 2009.09.07 21:48:00 -
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Quote: It disgusts me that your organization takes credit for all the aid relief to Intaki, while there have been other organizations that did much more for Intaki than you ever did (Carlani Hudson and Placid Reborn).
The ILF has never wanted and does not want credit for all the relief provided to the Intaki System. We have merely reported on the supplies we ourselves have delivered; any other group is capable of doing the same if they feel so inclined.
Our website explains how anyone can donate to the relief effort by anchoring GSCs in orbit around Intaki Prime -- without any intervention, notification, or cooperation with the ILF. Even that method is only a suggestion. Many groups obviously can and do donate independently any way they please, including through the markets.
In fact, I encourage all groups who are providing aid to Intaki Prime to speak loudly about it and often. Not for purposes of self-aggrandizement, but to inspire even more citizens of New Eden to lend a hand in this crisis.
Quote: I'd welcome any contact from ILF leadership to arrange for systematic delivery of humanitarian supplies and relief to the Intaki system.
Casiella, feel free to contact me in-game if you would like to set something up. The ILF provides a free GSC anchoring service around Intaki Prime (at any orbit, from WTZ to 0km) if you would like for us to handle that step. Before anchoring, we rename all donated GSCs in the format "Intaki Relief Supplies (XXXX-1,2,etc.)", where XXXX is the ticker for your corp.
Apollonius Verus ILF Director of Intaki Relief
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Sumerio Rayej
Intaki Liberation Front
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Posted - 2009.09.07 22:25:00 -
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Well, Dante, Intaki is no market hub, yet, but I'm working on it. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2009.09.07 22:28:00 -
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Please take no notice of my captains, there is meant to be a gagging order observed here on the IGS. His opinion doesn't reflect that of the Guard, of course.
And, Hawke-ji, I shall contact you the next time you're in pod. Diplomatic matters; while we're not 100% with some things, there are some mutual goals we share.
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Yuri Intaki
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Posted - 2009.09.10 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores And, Hawke-ji, I shall contact you the next time you're in pod. Diplomatic matters; while we're not 100% with some things, there are some mutual goals we share.
Mr. Inhonores is proving his worth in combat. He didnt like 5 to 1 odd so he hired 81 strong mercenary corporation after me. I believe this is saying something.
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DutchGunner
Minmatar Ray of Matar Assembly
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Posted - 2009.09.10 15:57:00 -
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Edited by: DutchGunner on 10/09/2009 15:59:16
Originally by: Damar Rocarion
That is understandable. By his own admission he has allied with Ray of Matar, S****and few other pirate corporations.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
Mister Rocarion, I suggest you do better research before making these claims. My corperation is one of the few who has been fighting against pirates elements (both capsuleer and non-capsuleer) for a long time. Long before the ILF was founded or it's members being around those parts of Placid.
There is a long and good history between the corperations of me and mr. Erian. So we will help him if he asks. However the only purpose in that specific encounter was to make you leave that complex. No shots were fired on either you, or any Navy ships by that pilot. There is plenty of reason for us to do so though, as we've lost ships and crew to roaming caldari millitia members who decided that we were a good target, despite us not giving any reason or cause.
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BelovarReborn
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Posted - 2009.09.10 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Yuri Intaki
Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores And, Hawke-ji, I shall contact you the next time you're in pod. Diplomatic matters; while we're not 100% with some things, there are some mutual goals we share.
Mr. Inhonores is proving his worth in combat. He didnt like 5 to 1 odd so he hired 81 strong mercenary corporation after me. I believe this is saying something.
He is not the only one who can hire mercenaries. The moment his corp proves as more than an empty statement the Reborn movement will see it ground into dust. |
Dante Vailatti
Gallente Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2009.09.13 14:59:00 -
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I find myself surprisingly un-ground.
D. Vailatti
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BelovarReborn
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Posted - 2009.09.13 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Dante Vailatti I find myself surprisingly un-ground.
Originally by: BelovarReborn The moment his corp proves as more than an empty statement the Reborn movement will see it ground into dust.
you have yet to prove any notable worth. When you do, you will be broken. |
Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2009.09.14 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: BelovarReborn
Originally by: Dante Vailatti I find myself surprisingly un-ground.
Originally by: BelovarReborn The moment his corp proves as more than an empty statement the Reborn movement will see it ground into dust.
you have yet to prove any notable worth. When you do, you will be broken.
Empty threat from a faceless troublemaker. ---
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Dante Vailatti
Gallente Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2009.09.14 12:26:00 -
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Yeah....I think I'm going to quit while I'm ahead on this one.
One less person shooting at me is always a good thing.
Let's me continue my work in peace.
Back to Saxon, even though some people now are against trading a Gallente alliance for a Caldari shopping center, the Caldari are still in Intaki. They're still trying to fund a seperatist movement and still meddling in your affairs.
That there are things to be worked out between Intaki and the federal government is without question. But do we still need the outside meddling? So far, all I've seen it produce is a pile of Caldari salvage and a bunch of needless drama.
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