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Barbosian Panda
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Posted - 2009.08.17 22:41:00 -
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Edited by: Barbosian Panda on 17/08/2009 23:31:28
 Originally by: Thanasis Veggos
Hello
I think CCP realises that the old players just love eve and show this with monthy support of real hard cash, in what is hard time for hard cash for all of us. I got a point to make about this. Well the following three: 
1: One a sugestion, suspend the ability to trial accounts players to talk to others in local or via mail or else with anyone out of school chanels. If the isk sellers have to pay real money accounts to spam it will hurt them like hell.
2: Old players, trusted players on a tight leash should-could get the posibility (not with petition) to immediately ban an isk seller. If not ban at least by right clicking his post or mail or whatever directly link them to a GM. If such an action would be paidback (lets assume in LP) it would create an ongoing incentive.
3: Macro Miners, have a concord or customs ship fly to belts and project a series of numbers or letters on the player, the player should than type in the number or he would get after a few minutes striped from ore and ship. I suggest that there should be a time interval of two cycles so that anyone being afk has the chance to see what happened. If mining would be more interactive like scanning is it would automaticaly eliminate the macros i think.
Anyway, myself and others would not reply on this topic if we would not love eve. Thanks for your care and the great game you provide for us. We love you and we got the cash to prove it over and over for many more years.
love the first 2 ideas, but have to say hell no to the third. too many legit players would get hit by it. players such as myself who afk mine with a hauler in quiet 0.9 systems while i do some house work would have all that effort go to waste and afk mining in a hauler is already crappy enough without having to worry about concord coming and taking my ore because im in a nother room vacuming or outside hanging the washing out.
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Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.08.17 23:25:00 -
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Nice one, gfgf.
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Jerat
Gallente
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.08.17 23:41:00 -
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Its all good,BUT a corpmeber of mine got Banned 14/8.
According to his angry post in our forum he got this msg:
"Reason: Account closed pending hacking investigation. Please contact customer support".
I dont know if it have anything to do with RMT
(he trades a lot to keep PvP going).
But are you making sure that innocent ppl dont get banned?
He sent a petition to CCP but is not getting any responce
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2009.08.18 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jerat
Its all good,BUT a corpmeber of mine got Banned 14/8.
According to his angry post in our forum he got this msg:
"Reason: Account closed pending hacking investigation. Please contact customer support".
I dont know if it have anything to do with RMT
(he trades a lot to keep PvP going).
But are you making sure that innocent ppl dont get banned?
He sent a petition to CCP but is not getting any responce
Your friend couldn't resist clicking the fake **** links spammed on the forum and got infected with a a keylogger.
The RMT guys had a field day with his account stripping it from assets and the account ban is so CCP will have a chance to restore it. In the mean time your friend better clean up his computer or he will have the account hacked again as soon as he log in...
More info here.
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Typhado3
Minmatar
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium
Aeternus.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 00:32:00 -
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I'd been wondering why implant prices where so high...
helped me unload quite a bit of LP as all the usual stuff I traded in has kinda become worthless since nano nerf or majority of players caught onto it and drove it's prices down.
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Just a crazy inventor
ccp fix mining agent missions % pls
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Scatim Helicon
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.08.18 00:40:00 -
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Nice work, but to finish we want chatlogs of their tears.
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HyperZerg
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Posted - 2009.08.18 00:44:00 -
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It seems you only ban RMT related Marcos.
Do your ban other macro-user too ? Let's say the ones that jsut uses a bot to make ISK for themselvs only ?
Or are they not worth you attention because the generate you real money unlike RMT ?
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2009.08.18 00:49:00 -
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Originally by: HyperZerg
It seems you only ban RMT related Marcos.
Do your ban other macro-user too ? Let's say the ones that jsut uses a bot to make ISK for themselvs only ?
Or are they not worth you attention because the generate you real money unlike RMT ?
Hey, if your name was Marco you wouldn't want to be banned for it.
They ban the RMT macro users. The ban/warn the lazy player macro user, but the blog is about the fight against RMT trade, so they don't mention those.
Originally by: Signature
Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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Mr Trichter
Trichter Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.18 00:50:00 -
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ahh, now this explains the crash of the wrath cruise missile market in jita...
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OneT
Wicked Weasels
Strip Mining Club
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Posted - 2009.08.18 00:54:00 -
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my 2 cents
digg but in reverse
basically when you right click on a character in local there should b a menu option for report
with sub-menus for isk spammer, macro miner and macro miner group.
when u report someone as a isk spammer it saves the last message they sent and send them to a client programm the GM in charge is looking at that simply ranks them by most reports, Said GM need only take one easy look at the messages they've been sending to hit them with the ban stick
this can be helped further by making people who constantly make good reports affect the rankings more and people who make bad ones effect it less eventually to the point of 0 effect, also only payed accounts would have this feature to stop abuse / flooding the system by the spammers them selves.
the same thing would apply to the macro miner option but would require maybe a different GM and a bit more investigation and with the group option would pop up a list where u could add all the accounts u expect to be involved b4 you submit.
alot of the ranking of this (as in the ranking and trustworthyness of the reporters) is all handeled by the programme and alot of work done by us players. with just one GM sitting there hitting the ban button atleast on the isk spammers.
so basically let us help you crowd source it with the proper controlls it will eliminate spammers almost completly or atleast they would only get to spam to 10 people b4 it apeared in a GM's list and they where banned
you probably wouldnt have to offer an incentive and if u did a plex a month in a raffle to all good reporters would probably do as a prize (that is one plex that all reporters go in the draw for)
anyway just my 2 cents sorry about the bad grammer and spelling but im in a hurry at work just had to get the idea out. |
Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 01:18:00 -
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Best blog since the POS exploit.
Kudos to CCP, never stop fighting.
/Ben
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Altaree
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.08.18 01:22:00 -
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I have a feeling that most of those caught were the trade bots. Some of the miners got caught as related to the traders. This is just from the drop in CPU/user. trade bots have got to be spamming the market commands. I would thing a mining macro would be much more low key.
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 01:30:00 -
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Macroers are a plague in many MMOs nowadays. I recently tried Darkfall, that's an extreme example how macroers totally destroyed a game. Because of the grind there it was easy to macro/bot and after few weeks there was a huge amount of players that had almost maxed out stats (which takes months/years when not using macro). Those uber macro users killed everything easily and constantly looted the non-macro players, which then left the game in droves.
In Eve the effect isn't that harsh but still ruins parts of the economy apparently. But not every macroplayer is an isk seller, as not every isk seller got his isk by using macros. That are 2 different problems that you have to fight against:
1. Macro ratters/miners/missionrunners/traders and
2. ISK sellers (RMT accounts).
I wonder which of them is worse for the game, or in how many cases there's a combination of both.
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orkorde
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.08.18 01:41:00 -
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 I appreciate CCP's efforts and results so far on this. Watching macro miners / mission runners has always annoyed, and detracted from the enjoyment of the game.
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Lobster Man
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2009.08.18 01:41:00 -
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Edited by: Lobster Man on 18/08/2009 01:43:10
I support this devblog 
There have been small groups of players who had been very aware of this problem (Ingunn specifically) beginning sometime around 2007. We even made corporations for the sole purpose of hoping to aid in the removal of macro s****from Eve (metafarmers still remains, mostly for posterity these days). I had spent many an hour smartbombing the stations at ingunn in my thanatos (and lost many a hyperion to opportunistic antipies trying to be cute); but also got lucky sometimes - finding the occasional ibis packed full of +4's.
It is a good day for eve when CCP finally officially announces (with pretty pictures) the war on the macro farmers, and all I can say is that I wish it had come sooner 
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Freibuis
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Posted - 2009.08.18 01:48:00 -
[106]
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Rage. There is no better word to describe CCP's feelings towards RMT, and "unholy rage" is how we recently addressed the issue. GM Grimmi gives us the lowdown on what Unholy Rage was and how it addressed the supply of illegal ISK in his newest dev blog.
Long Time Reader. First Time Poster.
First of.. Great . good news. this is the best news I have seen since sliced bread and plex spreads.
some other interesting notes.
Some negatives
*Running a corp POS now costs more 30%-40% more expensive.(based on ice costs.) which them inturn inpacts corp members
*More grinding now is required to purchase some items. (who said mission grinding wasnt fun)
*every one in local accusing me of being a RMT when I field a fleet of 5 hulks and 2 orca's (2 more eXhumers on the way)
*(Plex buyers eyes) Plex Prices are expected to rise as lack of RMT input to keep prices down. this should not matter to much as inflation caused by the purge will make items more expensive and therefor the average plex player will probally not notice a thing
* short term loss of about 9000 players* 15 USD permonth.
Some Postives
* Fat Roids. dont we love the look of them.
* Ice is becoming an item corps will acctually mine now. if it reaches about 130k(white glaze) then it will be profitable as veldspar when it was at 4isk.
* Ice systems are starting to become social systems to mine in.
* Average Joe will be making isk through rating.
* (plex sellers eyes) on the flip side ppl will move away from traditional RMT'ers back to using Plexs as they will get a "better deal" as plex prices increase over time. this is ok as long as inflation is kept in check.
* CCP will be able to use the extra money gained over the long term can be put towards projects in EVE. maybe they will read this and make the production interface less repeative.
* even tho there prices for plexs should go up. more plexs will be available as players will buy plexs with Real World Cash. which should keep inflation in check (fingers crossed)
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Knarfis
Dynaverse Corporation
Vertigo Coalition
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Posted - 2009.08.18 02:04:00 -
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I very rarely post anything on these forums. But this topic needs a comment.
Great, great blog. Way to go on not only how you (CCP) did your homework but also the way you tracked everything that happened before and after what ever action you took.
HERE is a Beer for you all on that one.
Im sure most of the EVE community can agree that what this blog was all about is something that is an issue for all of us. One thing that we all have seen and I'm sure complained about is the fact that there isn't much we can do to help you all (CCP) out in getting rid of these nuisances.
There has to be an easy way to simply report these people without having to go through a lot of cut and pasting through the petition route. We all just simply click and block these people out. Is there a way to simply click and report the very same way in game?? I cant imagine how something like this wouldn't further help in your cause to rid us all of these individuals and there habits.
Again great job on your findings and actions on this one.
Knarfis
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.18 03:02:00 -
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Edited by: Soporo on 18/08/2009 03:03:29
WHat I don't understand is how 6200 macro/rmt'ers could have been absorbing 30% of your rescources.
edit: GF regardless.
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OneT
Wicked Weasels
Strip Mining Club
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Posted - 2009.08.18 03:04:00 -
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Originally by: Knarfis
There has to be an easy way to simply report these people without having to go through a lot of cut and pasting through the petition route. We all just simply click and block these people out. Is there a way to simply click and report the very same way in game?? I cant imagine how something like this wouldn't further help in your cause to rid us all of these individuals and there habits.
as a further to this I definatly think the petition route is not the answer it takes to long and to make your paying customers take 5 - 10mins to help you get rid of a problem is a bit silly
if it can be made into 5 second process to report spammers and the eve client takes care of sending the chat log and everything to a GM youll find that most of the eve players would do it
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Jimer Lins
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.18 03:14:00 -
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Next time, just strip all their accounts of everything and dump them into Rancer.
Or lock them into a "I SELL ISK AND THEREFORE MUST DIE" corp that is KOS everywhere and put all their wallets at negative five billion+disallow trades.
Killboard-Declarations of War Podcast |
Selene D'Celeste
Caldari
The D'Celeste Trading Company
ISK Six
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Posted - 2009.08.18 03:22:00 -
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I'm not even done reading yet, but this is just amazing CCP. You have earned a great deal of respect.
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VicturusTeSaluto
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2009.08.18 03:47:00 -
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That's really great, CCP. I might actually play more often since the farmers had been disrupting my gameplay for years.
But I have to ask why only now? We've been telling you everything you need to know about how to find and ban farmers for years now. There is no good reason why this couldn't have occured 3 years ago. EVE would have been a much better game if the farmers were never allowed to get that bad. Were the farmers giving CCP kickbacks for looking the other way and did CCP ask for more than they would hand out?
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Charles Javeroux
Gallente
INTERSTELLAR CREDIT
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Posted - 2009.08.18 04:04:00 -
[113]
Hallelujah...our prayers have been answered
Originally by: Orek Fear
I guess the ultimate solution to inflation in EVE turned out to be an NPC stripper...
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Lobster Man
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2009.08.18 04:05:00 -
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Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto
That's really great, CCP. I might actually play more often since the farmers had been disrupting my gameplay for years.
But I have to ask why only now? We've been telling you everything you need to know about how to find and ban farmers for years now. There is no good reason why this couldn't have occured 3 years ago. EVE would have been a much better game if the farmers were never allowed to get that bad. Were the farmers giving CCP kickbacks for looking the other way and did CCP ask for more than they would hand out?
LOL I guess a little cynicism never hurts... 
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Tredder
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Posted - 2009.08.18 04:35:00 -
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As they say in OZ, "Good on ya, mate"
Outstanding job and an equally outstanding explanation of the situation and the results.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.08.18 05:32:00 -
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Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn
About macro scammers, you know, the one that Chribba logged for one day in Jita local...
Please plan something tbh.
As I said elsewhere already, a (reasonable) fee for posting in local would help with that a lot.
It wouldn't hurt the normal person because they don't post that much. But it would cost macro spammers at least something.
For 0.0 the fee could be set (within reasonable amounts) by the sov holding alliance and they would get the money then.
But it looks that CCP has no plans into that direction.
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Jonathan Mcarthur
Caldari
GK inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 05:52:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie
Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn
About macro scammers, you know, the one that Chribba logged for one day in Jita local...
Please plan something tbh.
As I said elsewhere already, a (reasonable) fee for posting in local would help with that a lot.
It wouldn't hurt the normal person because they don't post that much. But it would cost macro spammers at least something.
For 0.0 the fee could be set (within reasonable amounts) by the sov holding alliance and they would get the money then.
But it looks that CCP has no plans into that direction.
**** NO DUDE, that would make my already small wallet even smaller...
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Jastra
Gallente
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.18 06:43:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fallout
Rage. There is no better word to describe CCP's feelings towards RMT, and "unholy rage" is how we recently addressed the issue. GM Grimmi gives us the lowdown on what Unholy Rage was and how it addressed the supply of illegal ISK in his newest dev blog.
This is a good devblog and explians what happens nicely, firstly, well done, secondly, there is always, and I mean always a character in Jita advertising RMT, as I am sure there is one in most hubs, I've petitioned them numerous times, but they are like the proverbial bad penny, is there nothing that can be done to identify and remove these accounts short of someone sitting in game in Jita all day watching local
Jita has about 600-700 people in it most of the time so the advertising exposure for these people is great, and the site hasnt changed in ages either.
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Maria Kalista
Amarr
Splinter Foundation
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Posted - 2009.08.18 07:00:00 -
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Oh man. I'm not always happy with what CCP is doing but this...
This is awesumsauce!
Goose bumps all over the place. Way to go!
Go CCP! Go! Kick those losers where it hurts them the most.
Originally by: Jacharian
This sounds like a bad idea. I'm in.
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Nodalise Hurt
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Posted - 2009.08.18 07:31:00 -
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First of all, excellent work, much much needed,
Second, it just took you like 3 years to resolve this issue, way to go.
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