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Jasonwilliams
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Posted - 2009.08.17 17:45:00 -
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Wheres our patch notes? No offense.
I know they may be adding and removing stuff from the patch notes, but seriously how long does it have to take. They said Monday and they have 6 hours left over there...
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Hoo Is
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Posted - 2009.08.17 17:46:00 -
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next week ---- a reply which adds nothing to a thread or results in a thread being bumped with no new discussion worthy content is considered spam and as such warrants a forum ban |
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.17 18:30:00 -
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SoonÖ
Zymurgist Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact us |
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Seluko
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Posted - 2009.08.17 18:32:00 -
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It will be released the last Monday of the next century. Keeping in line with how long it will take to actually release the patch.
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Nico Minoru
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Posted - 2009.08.17 18:33:00 -
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Trying to relate developers coding to some sense of time that all of the corporeal beings in the world experience simply cannot happen.
Speaking as one myself, time has no meaning to developers. We look at things differently:
1 = List of tasks COMPLETE -- debugging is for hosers and interns 0 = Drink more coffee
At this point you're probably asking how we determine if it's currently a 1 or 0 situation. Easy, that's why we hire Project Managers...to tell us this as many times per day that they can (along with the annoying "you're over budget" nonsense), no matter if we ask for it or not.
And for those rare occurrences when we get a -1 result, we ditch that worthless coffee stuff and start brewing espresso.
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Sade Onyx
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Posted - 2009.08.17 19:08:00 -
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Edited by: Sade Onyx on 17/08/2009 19:08:35 Of course they leave it to the very last minute to post the patch notes, to give you less time to make those silly "petition against x change" before patch release, threads.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.08.17 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Sade Onyx Edited by: Sade Onyx on 17/08/2009 19:08:35 Of course they leave it to the very last minute to post the patch notes, to give you less time to make those silly "petition against x change" before patch release, threads.
Those petitions may be avoided initially, but the same petition will be created later anyway and in addition such behavior will create a lot of ill will and mistrust against CCP. Only bad ideas can't hold up to scrutiny and critizism anyway, so it is a pretty horrible way to operate.
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THE L0CK
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Posted - 2009.08.17 19:21:00 -
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They have the latest copy of Better Homes in the waiting room.
Originally by: Whitehound
If I think, but I do not.
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Max Torps
Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.17 19:41:00 -
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Quote: Okay, it's almost 6PM in Iceland...
Time for beer then. They need the practice for Fanfest. It's only a few weeks away now and the alchohol resistances need to be built up. It's important CCP don't appear as if they can't hold their drink. This is why Helmar has allowed the patch notes to run late. True story.
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Tom Warrior
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Posted - 2009.08.17 19:41:00 -
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They are trying to devise a means to hide their naughty secret... the patch contains OBAMACARE!
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rodensteiner
Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.17 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Tom Warrior They are trying to devise a means to hide their naughty secret... the patch contains OBAMACARE!
Please refrain from using the O-word in here, thanks.
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Lindsay Logan
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Posted - 2009.08.17 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Tom Warrior They are trying to devise a means to hide their naughty secret... the patch contains OBAMACARE!
YOu mean care that actually cares for you? Is that bad?
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.17 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Soon™
Thats not soon enough ;)
Seriously tho, I am looking forward to it. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.17 20:19:00 -
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PATCH NOTES NAO!!!1111
Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
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JitaBum
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.08.17 20:45:00 -
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Thought it was coming today?????
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Ephemeron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.08.17 20:49:00 -
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the most important part of any patch are the stealth nerfs. Those don't get reported by CCP either way.
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DaemonBarber
M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.08.17 20:51:00 -
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Documentation? Who needs it!
Don't you know Monday means Tuesday and Tuesday means SoonÖ??
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gfldex
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Posted - 2009.08.17 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zymurgist SoonÖ
Soon?
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Saint VII
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.08.17 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Nico Minoru Trying to relate developers coding to some sense of time that all of the corporeal beings in the world experience simply cannot happen. Speaking as one myself, time has no meaning to developers. We look at things differently:
Speaking from my own experiences of contracting 3rd party software developers, this does indeed seem to be true. It is strange to me, actually, that one industry is systemically unable to comply with deadlines. I would think that, sooner or later, at least a few companies would emerge that would actually honor them. But I've learned that, when dealing with most I/T folks, you have to engage in the professional equivalent of "suspension of disbelief". You have to pretend that it's acceptable for a grown-up to have no concept of time management. Etc. I would love for any developer to try to hold a position in finance or accounting for longer than a week.
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Charlemeign
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Posted - 2009.08.17 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: Sade Onyx Edited by: Sade Onyx on 17/08/2009 19:08:35 Of course they leave it to the very last minute to post the patch notes, to give you less time to make those silly "petition against x change" before patch release, threads.
CCP democrats now?
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Rhinanna
Minmatar Volition Cult The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2009.08.17 23:19:00 -
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The fact is with any sort of programming the last 10% of the work often takes 90% of the time. It sounds stupid I know but a modern computer program is so complex that the bugs revealed in testing can take more time that it would take to reprogram the whole thing from scratch just to find and fix.
Unfortunately its just one of those jobs you can never be sure to say, 'It'll be finished by 6' unless you are happy to give out a ****ty, buggy product. -The sword is only as sharp as the one who wields it. Drenzul (My normal internet tag) |
Ivanna Nuke
Daralux
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Posted - 2009.08.17 23:56:00 -
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The patch notes have been ninja'd.
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Number 86
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.08.18 00:26:00 -
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CCP accidentally the whole patch notes
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Usagi Tsukino
Miyazaki Zaibatsu APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2009.08.18 00:47:00 -
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You know, stuff happens. But it sure would have been nice of someone to say 'Hey, sorry guys but we're not going to get the patch notes out today. Don't sit there and ALT-TAB every 5 minutes and F5 like an idiot, Usagi.'
Just sayin'. --- Usagi Tsukino // Miyazaki Zaibatsu
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Josea Umbrie
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Posted - 2009.08.18 02:02:00 -
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CCP Lied People Cried
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.08.18 02:56:00 -
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CCP, trolling the fans since 2002? _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Maria Kalista
Amarr Splinter Foundation
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Posted - 2009.08.18 03:01:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero CCP, grieving the fans since 2002?
Fixed that for you.
Originally by: Jacharian This sounds like a bad idea. I'm in.
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Enkidu Uruksen
Wakizashi Renaissance
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Posted - 2009.08.18 03:35:00 -
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I suppose I shouldn't waste my time with supercilious snotty postings like this, but I probably have as much programming development experience as anybody here, so I'll take it.
Originally by: Saint VII Speaking from my own experiences of contracting 3rd party software developers, this does indeed seem to be true. It is strange to me, <blah blah blah> pretend that it's acceptable for a grown-up to have no concept of time management. Etc. I would love for any developer to try to hold a position in finance or accounting for longer than a week.
What you don't understand is that in finance and accounting your challenges are quite different. You have relatively simple problems that have been solved many times before, and for most of them you simply need to copy last month's timesheets or last year's tax returns and drop in the new numbers. It's easy to plan your time in a situation like that, and if you run short you can throw as many accountants at it as you need, since they're all trained in the same basic accounting principles.
Programming is a different order of existence. For a program suite the size of the EVE server it is impossible to predict all the consequences of a change. Will adding a new subsystem to the Tengu lead to an unexpected singularity in the missile damage algorithm? What if there are 10 Tengus in a fleet with that subsystem? How does it interact with the other subsystems? How long will it take to satisfy yourself and your manager that it's safe to migrate it from Singularity to Tranquility?
And then we come to bugs. Unlike the systems you mention, a subtle bug can cause unpredictable delays, and throwing more people at it will not guarantee that it can be fixed on an accountant manager's schedule. The new code may in fact be correct, but finally exercise buggy code that has been in for years but never executed. How long will it take to find that bug or figure out what needs to be backed out until it can be found at leisure?
I'll stop here and go back to debugging... while mining arkonor.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.08.18 04:18:00 -
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So my boss tells me, last Thursday, that he wanted me to run a demo of our encryption product on a WinPE instance booted off a USB device. I told him I would be done Friday.
It's not done yet.
Not only was there an obstacle to getting the software to work in the WinPE instance, but the IDE somehow lost the include files and I had to reinstall them.
My point: in software development, you don't write software. It writes you.
Expect that always and late patch notes won't be any bother. Or anything else for that matter.
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Usagi Tsukino
Miyazaki Zaibatsu APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2009.08.18 04:57:00 -
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Did you just let Friday come and go without saying a word to your boss, or did you have some courtesy and tell him you wouldn't complete your task on time?
'Cause I am pretty sure his reaction would be different depending on how you answer that question. --- Usagi Tsukino // Miyazaki Zaibatsu
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