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Minigin
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.08.19 02:21:00 -
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THIS IS AN EXCELLENT IDEA! I LOVE IT!
but it really has to be on PC!
console fps tend to have a lot more to do with fluke than skill, controls are sluggish. the game will also age very quickly. also console will severely limit the amount of subscriptions/purchases. all in all they really do NEED to go with PC only version. if they insist on releasing console versions fine... but the PC version should take precedent and should be the one that influences the map. . MINIGIN! The original colour poster - now surrounding you in limegreen.
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Inspect0r Cl0useau
Vandal Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.19 02:22:00 -
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Originally by: Minigin THIS IS AN EXCELLENT IDEA! I LOVE IT!
but it really has to be on PC!
console fps tend to have a lot more to do with fluke than skill, controls are sluggish. the game will also age very quickly. also console will severely limit the amount of subscriptions/purchases. all in all they really do NEED to go with PC only version. if they insist on releasing console versions fine... but the PC version should take precedent and should be the one that influences the map.
No, it really should be part of the MAIN game, as the ground game. It should be part of EVE, not a separate game, and certainly not segregated to non PC platforms!
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2009.08.19 02:42:00 -
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Originally by: Inspect0r Cl0useau
Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
Originally by: Jack Gilligan This is a really REALLY bad idea to make us dependent on a completely different kind of player on a completely different system to hold planets.
Yes, god forbid we be dependent on other people in a massively multiplayer game.
Yes, but to expect us to do so on those who aren't players of this EXISTING MMO, who don't even play on the same platform?
That's stretching it.
How so? They're other people, they play in the same game universe, their actions affect you. Sounds like pretty standard MMO fare. This is about as severe as introducing class distinctions into an RPG - they play the same game you do, you have to work with them, but they don't play it in the same way. Who cares about platform?
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Inspect0r Cl0useau
Vandal Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.19 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
Originally by: Inspect0r Cl0useau
Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
Originally by: Jack Gilligan This is a really REALLY bad idea to make us dependent on a completely different kind of player on a completely different system to hold planets.
Yes, god forbid we be dependent on other people in a massively multiplayer game.
Yes, but to expect us to do so on those who aren't players of this EXISTING MMO, who don't even play on the same platform?
That's stretching it.
How so? They're other people, they play in the same game universe, their actions affect you. Sounds like pretty standard MMO fare. This is about as severe as introducing class distinctions into an RPG - they play the same game you do, you have to work with them, but they don't play it in the same way. Who cares about platform?
This has never been tried, is extremely radical, is unprecedented, and has certainly never been done to a 6 year old well established MMO.
Ergo: NGE
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Minigin
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.08.19 03:02:00 -
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Originally by: Inspect0r Cl0useau
Originally by: Minigin THIS IS AN EXCELLENT IDEA! I LOVE IT!
but it really has to be on PC!
console fps tend to have a lot more to do with fluke than skill, controls are sluggish. the game will also age very quickly. also console will severely limit the amount of subscriptions/purchases. all in all they really do NEED to go with PC only version. if they insist on releasing console versions fine... but the PC version should take precedent and should be the one that influences the map.
No, it really should be part of the MAIN game, as the ground game. It should be part of EVE, not a separate game, and certainly not segregated to non PC platforms!
why? why should it be part of the main game? its a different game which effects eves universe!
you must fit into one of either two catagoreys. very stingey or very threatend that your titan is about to be abborted by a console kid.
your all going to learn that fps gamers are hot headed and probably wont play by the same bluelist rules as you do. they will go where the fights are and will tear people a new one.
if this game is as good as it sounds its really just a matter of selling or taking offline one of your accounts(which most people do have now) and playing that game as well as eve. and if you dont want to sacrifice that extra carebearage or dual box pvp then thats just your decsion.
my advise to ccp is not to be detered by you cry babys. it will attract a massive playerbase that it has never known before. it will make them money, and dust will blow eve out of the water on a fun scale. predicted 09'
(but it really does need to be on pc) not that i dont like consoles... just eve seems almost timeless and consoles go out every few years. . MINIGIN! The original colour poster - now surrounding you in limegreen.
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Almee Canaris
Empire Research and Invention Center
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Posted - 2009.08.19 03:09:00 -
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Edited by: Almee Canaris on 19/08/2009 03:09:49 Edited by: Almee Canaris on 19/08/2009 03:09:12 I wonder how the Targeted COnsole Fps Players will react when they learn that the guy who TKed them, blew up the respawn beacon and de-activated the base shields was completly right and just smarter than them.
Not theire type, definitly. You will end up with the same "player base" than you have now CCP, us crazy masochists happily losing hours of theire times to a three-second mistake or a misplaced trust. On consoles.
Crashing, RRODing, innefective consoles. That is very smart. Qwak qwak... |
Aethrwolf
Caldari Home for Wayward Gamers
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Posted - 2009.08.19 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: Vee Zee
Quote: CCP: Shooter on a console are different as shooters on the PC. We want to concentrate on developing a good console shooter.
Yes, you're right, they are different, they're dumbed down garbage.
Oh well, just lost interest.
Your loss... I know plenty of people who are console FPS gamers.. yes some of them could be categorized that way, but the majority of them A) really ARE smart enough to play EVE and do well at it. and B) Have a real life so they dont have the TIME EVE takes to really succeed.
Some of them just arent into the spaceships part of EVE, but think the single universe game concept is the best thing out there. I look forward to seeing them in the community once DUST is released.
as a side note.. I'll be getting DUST as a way to get my kid into EVE. I see it as a stepping stone.. he'll be six in a couple of weeks, but you should SEE him play HALO when he wants to be serious.. watched him get three total airborn headshot kills in a row once... that is.. both he and the target where jumping. I about choked on my drink. ofc.. he immediatly went back to runnign around looking for vehicles to drive/fly/crash. Absolutely everything is subjective. |
Biddybam
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Posted - 2009.08.19 03:26:00 -
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I'm starting to get really irritated that you guys are all complaining on this game when it was announced what, 12 hours ago? You have almost no information on this game and you think its going to be horrible? You all are also running around screaming, ITS THE END OF THE WORLD. SOV NOW COMPLETELY RELIES ON SOME KID WITH NO SKILL ON AN XBOX! First off, this is completely false. Dust does not completely determine who owns the system. In the situation that the sov of a system is being heavily contested, then yes, a Dust battle would help one group gain an upper hand over the other. I think this is a great idea. You were smart enough to hire a better Dust corporation than the other guy and now your winning.
Also, on the fact that you guys are complaining that CCP isn't making this game for the PC, well then tough ****. This game isn't made for the EVE Community. This game is made for the Console FPS community. If you play EVE and also have an Xbox, then great! You can play this game too! (Note: I do not own a console, so do not say I a biased.)
The only problems I see so far from the game is that the won't be enough interaction between EVE Online and DUST 514 and that they could make the game much more tactical by allowing, for example, destruction of tactical targets, IE, Power Station, Factories, Administrative Complexes. If what I read was true, and EVE will be able to eventually directly interact with DUST, for example, flying ships into planetary atmosphere and directly bombarding defenses, then CCP will obviously have more interactions planned also. From the looks of it, players that employ mercs might even be able to directly interact thru WIS, such as a War Room as shone in this picture : http://www.eveonline.com/bitmaps/pr/DUST514_WB_CommandPit.jpg . This would allow for the employer to directly command his troops or at the least give certain objectives, so that you dont feel that it is completely out of your as soon as you put out the contract.
Honestly, CCP has already taken huge steps forward in the MMO field, this would be another huge step forward and would have my complete support as long as they don't do a half-assed job at this and come out with some pathetic excuse for a tactical fps. O.o. I'm always watching you. . . . . . |
Nito Musashi
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Posted - 2009.08.19 03:34:00 -
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eve online we are pod pilots we are demi gods of the universe, common people look on us with awe, fear, loathing, and envy. Our corporations shape the face of low sec and null sec space, and help shape the face of empire space. We plan the wars, be they trade wars, wars for territory, or wars just for what the hades.
dust 514 these are our foot soldiers, they fight in the dirt and with guns, where pod pilots clones would do us little good. We pay them they buy guns and drop ships and tanks and land bases. We pod pilots respect them for what they do, at lest when they do it well. They follow our orders, they take land and planets for us, while we hold the skies and space above, offering them some protection to carry out our orders on the ground.
We are nothing without each other, yes our loyalties and theirs are fickle to say the lest, but when we form a contract they carry it out as long as we do our jobs they do theirs.
two seperate battlefields intertwined deciding the fate of the universe. with massive amounts of wealth and power in the balance.
i dunno sounds pretty kick ass to me, and does sound like two entirely different games. our pods do not protect us out of ship, other than in one eve novel that is accepted cannon. we die out of our pods we die for good. we cannot train on a single account 2 characters at a time, if this were part of the main game and we could do alts and train them while training our pod mains, not so bad. but thats not the way eve works atm. if the system we had now and we had to have moar alt account to maintain alts for dust war, isnt this game already meta multi account overbard as it already is?
if we see it later for pc great, if they get 3 to 4 million console people to buy dust for 59.99 even greater. if they implement dust into the eve o client in 2012 or whatever even more kick ass providing we do not need another full account to have our dust alts on.
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DARTH KENYAKUS
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Posted - 2009.08.19 03:53:00 -
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Edited by: DARTH KENYAKUS on 19/08/2009 03:54:34 i think peoples worries about 0.0 are silly.
CCP wont undermine alliance sov with this because it looks like it will be a FW element. maybe 4 new systems pop up each conquerable with dust (1 system for each faction) and say there are 4 planets for each system that makes at least 16 possible maps available for console players. after capturing something in these systems with EVE u can then send in ur DUST team. and if u successfully capture space points and then the planet u will earn some reward in LP or other interesting stuffz.
i do agree that a PC version should just be tied to the game though just to make things more seemless and make sure somone will play it if it flops on consoles.
oh and i wonder what the 514 means ? could that be the number of players per map? unlikely but taht be awesome...
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2009.08.19 04:02:00 -
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Originally by: Inspect0r Cl0useau This has never been tried, is extremely radical, is unprecedented, and has certainly never been done to a 6 year old well established MMO.
Ergo: NGE
It's new(so new, in fact, that you used four synonyms to describe how new it is), thus it is automatically akin to the single dumbest decision in MMO history? I think you're missing a couple steps in your logic there.
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Vee Zee
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Posted - 2009.08.19 05:16:00 -
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Originally by: Red Raider
Originally by: Gunner Dark No , i'm not kidding , is the control scheme the only thing you consider "dumbing down" ? if not what is the difference ?
Hardcore PC twitchers generally can't live without macro programed keyboards and mice much less the blatant ability to speed hack or some other crap they think is fair. The truth is that usually these lamers are not that good without the macro's and hacks.
So of course they think console games fail. Having to compete on the level makes them suck.
I can't wait for the flames on this one.
I played CS for a few years in CAL-I without any "outside" assistance. All of the gamers I still play with have integrity and still don't play with any cheats. They play EVE as well and have for quite some time.
They, and myself quite frankly, are just good. Simply good. FPS or MMO is no different,
This game as a FPS will fail horribly without the serious PC FPS community's support. There's no question.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.19 05:32:00 -
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Originally by: Inspect0r Cl0useau This has never been tried, is extremely radical, is unprecedented, and has certainly never been done to a 6 year old well established MMO.
Ergo: NGE
It won't affect what skills we can get. It won't affect what ships and equipment is in the game. It won't affect what we can do in the game. It won't suddenly add arbitrary restrictions such as instancing.
Ergo: not even remotely like NGE.
In fact, your first sentence doesn't explain in any way why it would be like NGE — rather, it shows why it's the way forward. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Halibut McPringle
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Posted - 2009.08.19 07:09:00 -
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It looks cool... but I still resent being left out of this game due to not wanting to shell out a couple hundred $$s more to buy a console... it looks like the kinda mmofps style game i would "Like" to play... since I've been playing FPS game on the PC since the likes of Wolfenstein 3d and such...
And since I am a player of the wonderful EVE. I find it to be a double faceslap that i won't even be able to see their progress/ orbitally bombard stuff... I mean if i gotta set the fate of a possibly delecate mission to a group of people who as far as i know are completely new to the concept of tactical strategy and or are mediocre at shooting stuff... at least give me the ability to support them in more ways than "here take some money and buy more guns with it" y'know?
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Crewman Jenkins
Caldari Malicious Demi-Lancers
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Posted - 2009.08.19 08:30:00 -
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Originally by: Halibut McPringle It looks cool... but I still resent being left out of this game due to not wanting to shell out a couple hundred $$s more to buy a console... it looks like the kinda mmofps style game i would "Like" to play... since I've been playing FPS game on the PC since the likes of Wolfenstein 3d and such...
And since I am a player of the wonderful EVE. I find it to be a double faceslap that i won't even be able to see their progress/ orbitally bombard stuff... I mean if i gotta set the fate of a possibly delecate mission to a group of people who as far as i know are completely new to the concept of tactical strategy and or are mediocre at shooting stuff... at least give me the ability to support them in more ways than "here take some money and buy more guns with it" y'know?
I couldnt say it any better.
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Typhado3
Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Aeternus.
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Posted - 2009.08.19 08:38:00 -
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thx for the translation
Quote: K: MMOG must provide new content in certain time intervals, to keep the players. Shooter like DUST consist of well designed maps which would make it very expensive. And consoles are very limited on memory space... CCP: Like with Eve, we will deliver the tools and the information the players build their own world. This means, we don't necessarily need to deliver new content. The content will be created by the players when they are giving life to the world. Our philosophy is: The guys playing the game are more important then the game itself.
This fills me with sceptical hope.... if there is such a thing. ------------------------------
Just a crazy inventor ccp fix mining agent missions % pls
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Lindsay Logan
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:00:00 -
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Originally by: captnjack Regardless of if its 0.0 or FW, it essentially means your actions in eve will have little meaning for sovereignty outside of clicking "Create Contract". Dumb.
Jumping to quick conclusions are we?
Control of a system when comapred to POS control of a system for Sov level might be a bit different. I do not think POSes will be left out of this.
It remains to be seen of course.
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Thomdril Merrilin
Defile.
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:04:00 -
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I think this is a great idea.
Planet Side meets EVE, on a console, it cant get any better.
All the naysaying from those that think that every1 on a console is an 8yo crybaby noob needs stfu.
Originally by: Slave 775 PRIVATEERS! READY YOUR BREAKFAST AND EAT HEARTY, FOR TONIGHT WE DINE IN WOW!
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Lindsay Logan
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: Thomdril Merrilin I think this is a great idea.
Planet Side meets EVE, on a console, it cant get any better.
All the naysaying from those that think that every1 on a console is an 8yo crybaby noob needs stfu.
I agree. Concolse can be great fun. Tho the ammount of time I spend on a fps on concole (and PC) compared to EVE is like 1:1000 currently. But many of my frinds are indeed concolers, and they are quite mature and decent guys.
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Eros Detannis
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Inspect0r Cl0useau
No, it really should be part of the MAIN game, as the ground game. It should be part of EVE, not a separate game, and certainly not segregated to non PC platforms!
No, it should not be a part of the EVE game. Why?
Because EVE Online is a SPACE GAME.
Dust 514 is not a space game. It is completely different, the only thing it has in common is that it takes place in the same universe.
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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: Del Torres CCP: Shooter on a console are different as shooters on the PC. We want to concentrate on developing a good console shooter.
that damn consoles will destroy every game out there. Shooter are a PC DOMAIN, not consoles!! We have eve, we play eve on pc, but there is another part of the eve-universum designed for the stupid console players!?! What the hell are they doing?
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Shun Makoto
Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:26:00 -
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Originally by: Eros Detannis
Originally by: Inspect0r Cl0useau
No, it really should be part of the MAIN game, as the ground game. It should be part of EVE, not a separate game, and certainly not segregated to non PC platforms!
No, it should not be a part of the EVE game. Why?
Because EVE Online is a SPACE GAME.
Dust 514 is not a space game. It is completely different, the only thing it has in common is that it takes place in the same universe.
Did you even watch the freaking Trailer...whats that at the beginning?
ZOMFG ITS SPACE....NO WAI I didn't get my FacWar Medal so CCP Reset my Signature saying I didn't get it...way to go. |
WeaponsHot
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:33:00 -
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"good" idea this DUST thing!!!
I remind you CCP thinkers of another "good" idea - T2 BPOs lottery was also were good idea in form of an abortion.
This DUST "half backed" integration game does "seem" a good idea but isn't far from another ABORTION... Why two different games interacting; where the results of DUST would afect EVE! Then whats the point of continuing playing EVE... adiction? no way just wait until something similar or better comes alone and EVE will turn into DUST.
Go back to the lab to re-think twice and come back with a single game WHERE SPACE and LAND is integrated.
Oh! and BTW FUK consoles that is for 6 yold kiddys such my son that plays on them.
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:35:00 -
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/me fully endorses everything about DUST 514 but especially the console aspect of it MOOCIFER Emerald/Alpha Oldtimer |
CyberGh0st
Minmatar Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: Inspect0r Cl0useau
Originally by: Minigin THIS IS AN EXCELLENT IDEA! I LOVE IT!
but it really has to be on PC!
console fps tend to have a lot more to do with fluke than skill, controls are sluggish. the game will also age very quickly. also console will severely limit the amount of subscriptions/purchases. all in all they really do NEED to go with PC only version. if they insist on releasing console versions fine... but the PC version should take precedent and should be the one that influences the map.
No, it really should be part of the MAIN game, as the ground game. It should be part of EVE, not a separate game, and certainly not segregated to non PC platforms!
Agreed 100%
What CCP could do, if they are smart, is integrate DUST514 into EVE Online ( together with WIS ), let the EVE Online players play both EVE and DUST514 and let the console players have only access to DUST514, at a smaller fee ( 5Ç - 10Ç per month ).
Cyberwiz aka CyberGh0st aka Mentakh With DUST514 I predict the last bastion of mmorpg vision will crumble, and CCP will have pulled their very own NGE. Favorite MMO's : DAoC-SI Era/SWG Pre CU-NGE/E |
robbyx
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Posted - 2009.08.19 09:59:00 -
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Absolutely doomed to fail...
For one thing, if this is indeed FPS PvP, how the hell are an alliance from Australia supposed to take on a team from Europe ? the pings would be unplayable...and any FPS player knows, "ping is king".
If the servers are based around the world, it will be an absolute shambles, one team will always have low pings, while the other team will have pings of 200+....
If the servers are based in one place, then that pretty much screws the rest of the world as far as competeing is concerned....
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Hester Shaw
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Posted - 2009.08.19 10:05:00 -
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Quote: Love the emo ragers calling this fail already on day one with next to no information about how it works, you fools.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.19 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: robbyx Absolutely doomed to fail...
For one thing, if this is indeed FPS PvP, how the hell are an alliance from Australia supposed to take on a team from Europe ? the pings would be unplayable...and any FPS player knows, "ping is king".
If the servers are based around the world, it will be an absolute shambles, one team will always have low pings, while the other team will have pings of 200+....
If the servers are based in one place, then that pretty much screws the rest of the world as far as competeing is concerned....
cf. Planetside. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Miyamoto Uroki
Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.08.19 10:22:00 -
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Why are people so impatient? The only thing that gets me impatient is when ccp is having one of its no-communication-at-all periods...
To me, after watching the trailer, this sounds awesome. A giant step forward. Regarding the two major concerns: - for sure sovereignty wont be affected by ground troops only. CCP will think out a fit mechanic for that one, no worries.
- for not enough interaction between the two games. Give it a few months after release. These things take time and get developed in steps. As how it should be. Start small and solid, and build up on that foundation.
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Morphisat
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2009.08.19 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: Miyamoto Uroki for not enough interaction between the two games. Give it a few months after release. These things take time and get developed in steps. As how it should be. Start small and solid, and build up on that foundation.
The big question will be: will there be enough time ? From what I read, console games have a lifecycle of a few months, except for a few exceptions. Then the main crowd will move on to another game, making the assumption that DUST will ever be popular...
Plus will the console or Eve player even be interested in that interaction ?
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